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« Reply #1220 on: April 05, 2008, 12:21:38 PM »

Now let examine the word  "a sacrifice" , "the sacrifice"
 

"the sacrifice" is a person and after deed is done will return to the procecuter.

Remeber shongo uses coding to hide the person and you have to change on or two letter to find the person.

Now this person is know and I belive they must call hin

S c a r e f a c eS a c r i f i c e

Now Patric van Emm was there to doe the deed, he was contracted by Joran to do his dirty laundry.

Exambple.:

the sacrifice (PATRICK VAN EEM) will be the correct sacrifice to appease the gods (THE USA NEWS MEDIA) and cowboys (Holloway’s)

But the sacrifice PATRICK VAN EEM)  will be offered before dirty hand (STEVE CROES) sings
He will return to babylon (PUBLIC PROSECUTERS), broken but anonymous.

He will go back to babylon (PUBLIC PROSECUTERS)  broken, after the sacrifice (PATRICK VAN EEM) is eaten (make believe by the Media)

The young Lamb (JORAN) der Sloot shall be the sacrifice (PATRICK VAN EEM) for the Arawaks (MICHEAL POSNER) and the cowboys (???? DIRTY FBI).
All will sit around the fire and feast on scapegoat (JORAN)
The gods (ATTORNEY GENERAL THERESA CROES–FERNANDEZ PEDRA)  are talking
DirtyHand (DTKM) is alive and well

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Scarface was following beth around Aruba in september...page 185 "Loving Natalee".

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« Reply #1221 on: April 05, 2008, 12:25:06 PM »

OMG! 

I do agree that Steve Croes is probably the 5th, especially knowing now who is daddy and uncle are.  Hey, I wonder if Theresa Croes - Fernandez-Pedras is a sister to Rudy and Hendrick. 

How could Shango know so far in advance that Patrick would expose Joran on the video?
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« Reply #1222 on: April 05, 2008, 12:33:52 PM »

Now let examine the word  "a sacrifice" , "the sacrifice"
 

"the sacrifice" is a person and after deed is done will return to the procecuter.

Remeber shongo uses coding to hide the person and you have to change on or two letter to find the person.

Now this person is know and I belive they must call hin

S c a r e f a c e
S a c r i f i c e

Now Patric van Emm was there to doe the deed, he was contracted by Joran to do his dirty laundry.

Exambple.:

the sacrifice (PATRICK VAN EEM) will be the correct sacrifice to appease the gods (THE USA NEWS MEDIA) and cowboys (Holloway’s)

But the sacrifice PATRICK VAN EEM)  will be offered before dirty hand (STEVE CROES) sings
He will return to babylon (PUBLIC PROSECUTERS), broken but anonymous.

He will go back to babylon (PUBLIC PROSECUTERS)  broken, after the sacrifice (PATRICK VAN EEM) is eaten (make believe by the Media)

The young Lamb (JORAN) der Sloot shall be the sacrifice (PATRICK VAN EEM) for the Arawaks (MICHEAL POSNER) and the cowboys (???? DIRTY FBI).
All will sit around the fire and feast on scapegoat (JORAN)
The gods (ATTORNEY GENERAL THERESA CROES–FERNANDEZ PEDRA)  are talking
DirtyHand (DTKM) is alive and well

CAPS LOCK WIZRD





Caps,
In order for this to be correct, Shango would be foreseeing the future.  I don't believe that's what Shango's intent was to do.  In my opinion he/she/it was communicating things that were going on at that time and that time only.

There may very well have been a "Scarface" involved, but I don't believe it was Patrick.  And I believe that Peter DeVries is far too intelligent to have been used in such a way that would be required for the above to be correct.

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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #1223 on: April 05, 2008, 12:38:05 PM »

Now let examine the word  "a sacrifice" , "the sacrifice"
 

"the sacrifice" is a person and after deed is done will return to the procecuter.

Remeber shongo uses coding to hide the person and you have to change on or two letter to find the person.

Now this person is know and I belive they must call hin

S c a r e f a c e
S a c r i f i c e

Now Patric van Emm was there to doe the deed, he was contracted by Joran to do his dirty laundry.

Exambple.:

the sacrifice (PATRICK VAN EEM) will be the correct sacrifice to appease the gods (THE USA NEWS MEDIA) and cowboys (Holloway’s)

But the sacrifice PATRICK VAN EEM)  will be offered before dirty hand (STEVE CROES) sings
He will return to babylon (PUBLIC PROSECUTERS), broken but anonymous.

He will go back to babylon (PUBLIC PROSECUTERS)  broken, after the sacrifice (PATRICK VAN EEM) is eaten (make believe by the Media)

The young Lamb (JORAN) der Sloot shall be the sacrifice (PATRICK VAN EEM) for the Arawaks (MICHEAL POSNER) and the cowboys (???? DIRTY FBI).
All will sit around the fire and feast on scapegoat (JORAN)
The gods (ATTORNEY GENERAL THERESA CROES–FERNANDEZ PEDRA)  are talking
DirtyHand (DTKM) is alive and well

CAPS LOCK WIZRD





Caps,
In order for this to be correct, Shango would be foreseeing the future.  I don't believe that's what Shango's intent was to do.  In my opinion he/she/it was communicating things that were going on at that time and that time only.

There may very well have been a "Scarface" involved, but I don't believe it was Patrick.  And I believe that Peter DeVries is far too intelligent to have been used in such a way that would be required for the above to be correct.



Well when you read the rest, you might think diffrent.

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« Reply #1224 on: April 05, 2008, 12:40:26 PM »

I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn that Patrick, Lorenzo, and Steve were involved in the drug business on Aruba, years before.  I wouldn't even be surprised to learn that Patrick had been commissioned to go after Joran at this point to seal his reputation as the murderer for world opinion.  It does seems strange to me that Patrick would have had underground connections to Aruba from way back and he probably should have known that Joran wasn't giving an accurate story on the videos.

Who is DTKM?
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« Reply #1225 on: April 05, 2008, 12:44:11 PM »

I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn that Patrick, Lorenzo, and Steve were involved in the drug business on Aruba, years before.  I wouldn't even be surprised to learn that Patrick had been commissioned to go after Joran at this point to seal his reputation as the murderer for world opinion.  It does seems strange to me that Patrick would have had underground connections to Aruba from way back and he probably should have known that Joran wasn't giving an accurate story on the videos.

Who is DTKM?

He is the public prosecuter that was not on the list that steve croes was pointed to.
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« Reply #1226 on: April 05, 2008, 12:45:03 PM »

I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn that Patrick, Lorenzo, and Steve were involved in the drug business on Aruba, years before.  I wouldn't even be surprised to learn that Patrick had been commissioned to go after Joran at this point to seal his reputation as the murderer for world opinion.  It does seems strange to me that Patrick would have had underground connections to Aruba from way back and he probably should have known that Joran wasn't giving an accurate story on the videos.

Who is DTKM?


Caps' Dirty hand...OM ...Frans Deutekom

I have never believed the Patrick deal..it was a way to only implicate Joran and one other...JMO
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« Reply #1227 on: April 05, 2008, 12:48:27 PM »

I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn that Patrick, Lorenzo, and Steve were involved in the drug business on Aruba, years before.  I wouldn't even be surprised to learn that Patrick had been commissioned to go after Joran at this point to seal his reputation as the murderer for world opinion.  It does seems strange to me that Patrick would have had underground connections to Aruba from way back and he probably should have known that Joran wasn't giving an accurate story on the videos.

Who is DTKM?

He is the public prosecuter that was not on the list that steve croes was pointed to.

Caps...if you are referring to the list of Kermit's that I posted on page 8, which I think you are, then that was a list of Judges. Is Deutekom a Judge?  TIA
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« Reply #1228 on: April 05, 2008, 12:53:11 PM »

most perps think that they have foul the readers and then when the smoke clear after 2.5 years, thinking that the case is now dead, lets go make some money, and forgot that their acction will link them exactly to the riddle.

Good friends for 7 years, I know Joran from the Casino, I talk to him in our lingo. BUT I DID NOT KNOW HIM BEFORE.

in CAPSLINGO we have a PARADOX

Caps,
The bolded above is not true!  How could it be?  Patrick was friends with a 12 year old Joran?  I don't think so.....  Patrick was from Aruba but had not lived there for years from what I understand.  When did Patrick serve time for his drug conviction?  Patrick and Peter have both said that Poentje's revelations were not true, if you believe them to be true; write them down and look at the whole picture.  I just don't see it.  If Patrick was indeed as involved with these people, why did he ever go to prison??????
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #1229 on: April 05, 2008, 12:55:55 PM »

This because he did not got paid. He is in need of Money. Bet you that the Vries also can talk anymore becasue now  DH has secure his silence. He also must have some dirt that he can not talk anymore and that goes for Poentje Castro.



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« Reply #1230 on: April 05, 2008, 01:07:56 PM »

You do not understand, Exposing Joran in publick is for two reason,
1. Money.
2. A bluff
3. to reach a point in Holland, that we can declare Joran unfit and crazy ---> leading to the story of Mental Health treatment.

BTW Vander sloot  stink physicaly and He and Anita and his sons but not Joran was Eating at this steak house. He was in the company of a bigwig from the Mariotte....
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« Reply #1231 on: April 05, 2008, 01:15:46 PM »

You do not understand, Exposing Joran in publick is for two reason,
1. Money.
2. A bluff
3. to reach a point in Holland, that we can declare Joran unfit and crazy ---> leading to the story of Mental Health treatment.

BTW Vander sloot  stink physicaly and He and Anita and his sons but not Joran was Eating at this steak house. He was in the company of a bigwig from the Mariotte....



Now #3...I can agree with.

But...you knew that was coming....I do not think Michael Posner is an Arawak!

Bigwig from the Marriott...Zeolla?  Who was in his company? Joran?  TIA
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« Reply #1232 on: April 05, 2008, 01:19:19 PM »

most perps think that they have foul the readers and then when the smoke clear after 2.5 years, thinking that the case is now dead, lets go make some money, and forgot that their acction will link them exactly to the riddle.

Good friends for 7 years, I know Joran from the Casino, I talk to him in our lingo. BUT I DID NOT KNOW HIM BEFORE.

in CAPSLINGO we have a PARADOX

Caps,
The bolded above is not true!  How could it be?  Patrick was friends with a 12 year old Joran?  I don't think so.....  Patrick was from Aruba but had not lived there for years from what I understand.  When did Patrick serve time for his drug conviction?  Patrick and Peter have both said that Poentje's revelations were not true, if you believe them to be true; write them down and look at the whole picture.  I just don't see it.  If Patrick was indeed as involved with these people, why did he ever go to prison??????

The seven got in there and was under the cursor and I already post it. it should say "friends for years. My Neuron Computer when it start assembling and processing the keys, it go so fast and my fingers can not keep up with it.

That key fits perfectly. Now I need the contracter. it is not MP but there is someone between MP and PvE

Read my post carefully and there is the answer. he will return anonymous. how can you send some one you do not know to jail.
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« Reply #1233 on: April 05, 2008, 01:23:59 PM »

Caps….Is 7A Catiri near the Racquet Club?

What do you know of the villas and houses there, by the Racquet Club, before November 2005?

Once again…Thanks in Advance!
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« Reply #1234 on: April 05, 2008, 01:28:41 PM »

Caps….Is 7A Catiri near the Racquet Club?

What do you know of the villas and houses there, by the Racquet Club, before November 2005?

Once again…Thanks in Advance!


In 2005 I was not on Aruba. I do not know.
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« Reply #1235 on: April 05, 2008, 01:33:05 PM »

Now let examine the word  "a sacrifice" , "the sacrifice"
 

"the sacrifice" is a person and after deed is done will return to the procecuter.

Remeber shongo uses coding to hide the person and you have to change on or two letter to find the person.

Now this person is know and I belive they must call hin

S c a r e f a c e
S a c r i f i c e

Now Patric van Emm was there to doe the deed, he was contracted by Joran to do his dirty laundry.

Exambple.:

the sacrifice (PATRICK VAN EEM) will be the correct sacrifice to appease the gods (THE USA NEWS MEDIA) and cowboys (Holloway’s)

But the sacrifice PATRICK VAN EEM)  will be offered before dirty hand (STEVE CROES) sings
He will return to babylon (PUBLIC PROSECUTERS), broken but anonymous.

He will go back to babylon (PUBLIC PROSECUTERS)  broken, after the sacrifice (PATRICK VAN EEM) is eaten (make believe by the Media)

The young Lamb (JORAN) der Sloot shall be the sacrifice (PATRICK VAN EEM) for the Arawaks (MICHEAL POSNER) and the cowboys (???? DIRTY FBI).
All will sit around the fire and feast on scapegoat (JORAN)
The gods (ATTORNEY GENERAL THERESA CROES–FERNANDEZ PEDRA)  are talking
DirtyHand (DTKM) is alive and well

CAPS LOCK WIZRD





I need clarification, please.  Tell me if anything I am about to post is incorrect...it helps me to know where to look for info.

1. Patrick was a player from the beginning?
2. The gods definition has changed from news to Croes? Needs to be studied.
3. The cowboys are the FBI that are crooked?
4. The Dirty Hand is that guy I can't spell his name right?

Please tell me what I have wrong so I can organize my thinking in order to search more efficiently. Thanks!
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« Reply #1236 on: April 05, 2008, 01:36:09 PM »

You do not understand, Exposing Joran in publick is for two reason,
1. Money.
2. A bluff
3. to reach a point in Holland, that we can declare Joran unfit and crazy ---> leading to the story of Mental Health treatment.

BTW Vander sloot  stink physicaly and He and Anita and his sons but not Joran was Eating at this steak house. He was in the company of a bigwig from the Mariotte....



Okay!!  Now this I understand! 
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« Reply #1237 on: April 05, 2008, 01:38:51 PM »

most perps think that they have foul the readers and then when the smoke clear after 2.5 years, thinking that the case is now dead, lets go make some money, and forgot that their acction will link them exactly to the riddle.

Good friends for 7 years, I know Joran from the Casino, I talk to him in our lingo. BUT I DID NOT KNOW HIM BEFORE.

in CAPSLINGO we have a PARADOX

Caps,
The bolded above is not true!  How could it be?  Patrick was friends with a 12 year old Joran?  I don't think so.....  Patrick was from Aruba but had not lived there for years from what I understand.  When did Patrick serve time for his drug conviction?  Patrick and Peter have both said that Poentje's revelations were not true, if you believe them to be true; write them down and look at the whole picture.  I just don't see it.  If Patrick was indeed as involved with these people, why did he ever go to prison??????

The seven got in there and was under the cursor and I already post it. it should say "friends for years. My Neuron Computer when it start assembling and processing the keys, it go so fast and my fingers can not keep up with it.

That key fits perfectly. Now I need the contracter. it is not MP but there is someone between MP and PvE

Read my post carefully and there is the answer. he will return anonymous. how can you send some one you do not know to jail.


A moment of lucidity and now more fog....I think I need to go back to that pesky 5th suspect.  Are they one and the same?  5th and dirtyhand?  Anyone? 
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« Reply #1238 on: April 05, 2008, 01:44:10 PM »

most perps think that they have foul the readers and then when the smoke clear after 2.5 years, thinking that the case is now dead, lets go make some money, and forgot that their acction will link them exactly to the riddle.

Good friends for 7 years, I know Joran from the Casino, I talk to him in our lingo. BUT I DID NOT KNOW HIM BEFORE.

in CAPSLINGO we have a PARADOX

Caps,
The bolded above is not true!  How could it be?  Patrick was friends with a 12 year old Joran?  I don't think so.....  Patrick was from Aruba but had not lived there for years from what I understand.  When did Patrick serve time for his drug conviction?  Patrick and Peter have both said that Poentje's revelations were not true, if you believe them to be true; write them down and look at the whole picture.  I just don't see it.  If Patrick was indeed as involved with these people, why did he ever go to prison??????

The seven got in there and was under the cursor and I already post it. it should say "friends for years. My Neuron Computer when it start assembling and processing the keys, it go so fast and my fingers can not keep up with it.

That key fits perfectly. Now I need the contracter. it is not MP but there is someone between MP and PvE

Read my post carefully and there is the answer. he will return anonymous. how can you send some one you do not know to jail.


A moment of lucidity and now more fog....I think I need to go back to that pesky 5th suspect.  Are they one and the same?  5th and dirtyhand?  Anyone? 


My logic again...two stories...the crime and the cover-up
Simian=5th...and Shango=Dirty hand
Two Peeps...JMO
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« Reply #1239 on: April 05, 2008, 01:47:11 PM »




arubagirl on June 12th, 2005 12:04 pm
I do want to say something about the spokesperson, this lady v/d Biezen is not the usual spkesperson for the prosecutions’s office. It’s usually another lady, (Mariaine Croes), but I have no idea why she isn’t handling this.
Conflicting reports? Those only come from the media, darling, as the cops and prosecution are keeping their mouths shut. After the drama of Friday night, I don’t blame them.



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