SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2

[MumInOhio]

Yes...that's them. Remember Beth said in an interview that he wasn't home at 11PM as she was told some-one offered him a ride at 11 and he said he had one and was waiting for Deepak.

I think I saved it...will look.

[Lala'sMom]

I have more:



annie- he was very close to the casino, so a turn and a crossing-over-the-street away.
and yes i know him personally.

Posted by: Melody | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 03:11 AM
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jane - i know it was before 12am... i really have no idea around what time exactly

Posted by: Melody | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 03:21 AM
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(she was asked if it was Sat or Sun she saw him)
AG - saturday night, which is why i said that it probably isn't another helpful fact
for you guys. but i was just asking for my own sake

Posted by: Melody | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 03:23 AM
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(she was asked about doing the interview & why she decided to do it)
calista - they aproached me a few times, but when msnbc approached me i eventually agreed
because they said they'll be talking good about joran (does anyone know if the still do
that?) and no the police hasn't talked to me.

Posted by: Melody | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 03:25 AM
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(since she knew him well, was asked if he could do what was being said)
jane - the only thing i could ever imagine being possible, for him being involved, is
definitly him panicking by some accident.

Posted by: Melody | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 03:41 AM
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(was talking about her saying someone stayed over at JVDS on night NH went missing)
i noticed that already Dan, you posted it the other day ...

i don't mind at all ... but as long as it's clear that that's all i know, that he slept
over and that he was called to come so that joran can tell him the girl is missing, and
that joran told him they didn't sleep together... and trust me joran won't lie to him.

Posted by: Melody | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 04:06 AM
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I understand just wanted to be sure that you believe it was SUnday night when he slept
over and then, even if he didn't say - in a small place he would likely know Joran's
comings and goings assuming it is that night. Maybe that is why the police asked him so
many questions ...

Posted by: Dan | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 04:08 AM
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Jane, when I spoke on the phone with Mel she told me of someone who crashed at Joran's
that night who is his best friend. Also that the next day Joran called him from the raquet
club when he first learned of Natalee's disappearance.

Posted by: Dan | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 04:11 AM
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But Melody, maybe that would be possible - MAYBE - But how did they have time to come up
with the thought it would be bad to say he just left her alone to walk? The first time
they even supposedly knew she never made it to her hotel was the next night when natalees
parents showed up at Jorans house wanting to ask him what happened - nobody knew anythiong
until then - there was no news no nothing....so how would joran and deepak and satish have
time to come up with that new story on the spot like that?? that story was made up way
before beth holloway ever got to his house - they had it ready

Posted by: calista | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 04:20 AM


whoo ... i'm really tired now...

but lastly - the friend slept over at his house but wasn't out with him, therefor he has
no alibi as to his where abouts before he got home.

and i don't know, his friend told me he called him the next day all shocked, that he had
something ot tell him, and he told him that the girl went missing. ... that must be before
natalee's parents came to him.. and being scared and preparing a story stand logically
with pretending to not know she was missing when approached by the parents, makes your
story more believable right?

Posted by: Melody | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 04:26 AM
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Dan,
So let me get this straight...Melody is saying that the first JvdS and his (sleepover)
friend heard about NH's disappearance was the afternoon of the 30th (at least 8-10 hours
before BHT showed up at the vdS doorstep)? Who told them at that time?

Then, is that how they had their "stories" prepared when BHT showed up? They'd had the
prior warning (that afternoon)?...(then acted surprised by the news when BHT came to their
house?)

Something doesn't smell right...

And another thing...Who WAS/IS this guy who slept over?

Posted by: cocomo | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 05:02 AM
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Snuff film. They killed her during sex. Max Arends, Lorenzo, Kalpoe 1 and Joran were
involved, but Joran left. He could not handle it. Holiday Inn

Lorenzo is Jaime. Max is in Florida according to Scubajap with his dad. Dilmo send him to
Florida because it was heating up? Watch Scubajap. May get you in a trap.

Posted by: angelaberdine | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 05:11 AM
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Lorenzo is Jaime

NO

Posted by: (((AG))) | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 05:22 AM
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Max is in Florida according to Scubajap with his dad

There is Max Arends (this kid in FL) and then there is Max Arenz (may be Arentz). Two
different people.

Posted by: (((AG))) | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 05:25 AM
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No, they are not two different people. Same one. Dilma's. Works with Scubajap at Bon Dia,
best friend of Jaime (a/k/a Lorenzo).

Posted by: angelaberdine | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 05:31 AM
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Gad's he looks like he's 12 from the picture I saw of Max Arends.

He's supposed to be the porno king? Something isn't right with this picture.

Too many people have said that Jaime and Lorenzo are two different people.

Posted by: (((AG))) | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 05:37 AM
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Dilma works at Bon Dia with Scubajap. Newspaper owned by the same frizzy head that owns
Aruba Today.

OK. I am outta here because I got this information from some Mountain Brook people. You
know those lying, drunks we talk about on here.

I am outta here, going back to Mountain Brook tomorrow to visit with some more liars, my
kids and grandkids.

Posted by: angelaberdine | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 05:45 AM

[Lala'sMom]

Mum
There is continued confusion as to what night this was...Melody seems to indicate it was Saturday and not Sunday and then changes her mind...so I am not sure how reliable this is after all.  Same song...different verse.

[MumInOhio]

Mum
There is continued confusion as to what night this was...Melody seems to indicate it was Saturday and not Sunday and then changes her mind...so I am not sure how reliable this is after all.  Same song...different verse.

Yep...Tyler feels Anita was sitting next to her...

ALE asked in the PVs about 2Ks being with Joran 2 nights in a row..Saturday and Sunday. No Jaime...no Freddy...whoever heck he is...

So who was staying at Joran's that night....Max Arends or Freddy A?????

[MumInOhio]

And Dilma is Max's Mom!!!!  Go figure!!

[Lala'sMom]

And Dilma is Max's Mom!!!!  Go figure!!

Yep. 

[MumInOhio]

And Dilma is Max's Mom!!!!  Go figure!!

Yep. 

So is Freddy Max????

[MumInOhio]

Why is Max Arends not listed in the Dr Phil documents? If he was supposed to be at Joran’s, he would have seen the Kalpoes there. So his info should have gone to 2K’s lawyers. Seems everyone else’s did…well minus a select few associated with the van der Sloots!

[Lala'sMom]

Freddy is real and no I don't think he's Max.  Freddy gave a statement and Anita wanted to know what he told ALE.  That tells me that Freddy does indeed know the truth.  Let's not confuse this like Guido.


The Dr. Phil bunch failed to request some of the most important PV's.  Seems they may not have known they were there or just intentionally did not ask for certain ones...I can't quite understand that.  Don't think it matters anyway...doesn't seem the judge in California is too interested in making the Kalpoes surrender them and doesn't seem Dr. Phil is too interested in finding out either...so that was a waste of energy.   

[MumInOhio]

Freddy is real and no I don't think he's Max.  Freddy gave a statement and Anita wanted to know what he told ALE.  That tells me that Freddy does indeed know the truth.  Let's not confuse this like Guido.


The Dr. Phil bunch failed to request some of the most important PV's.  Seems they may not have known they were there or just intentionally did not ask for certain ones...I can't quite understand that.  Don't think it matters anyway...doesn't seem the judge in California is too interested in making the Kalpoes surrender them and doesn't seem Dr. Phil is too interested in finding out either...so that was a waste of energy.   

I know...Freddy...still think he may have been the arrest on 6/11. Guido and J2K would make 5!

Maybe the Dr Phil lawyers don't think they are important.

[Lala'sMom]

If Freddy did sleep over at Joran's that night...either he would become a suspect (someone Joran called in a panic, knowing he was there) or he would tell in his PV what time Joran came home that night.  If ALE asked about his staying the night, then we have to ask...was there a party?  Who was there?  Would fill in that last blank for the 5th suspect.

[MumInOhio]

If Freddy did sleep over at Joran's that night...either he would become a suspect (someone Joran called in a panic, knowing he was there) or he would tell in his PV what time Joran came home that night.  If ALE asked about his staying the night, then we have to ask...was there a party?  Who was there?  Would fill in that last blank for the 5th suspect.

In his book, Joran said that Freddy relatives were interviewed. We assumed as Freddy’s alibi.

It was a simple party at HIS house. He was there the whole time. How could he have left?

[COLOMBO]

If Freddy did sleep over at Joran's that night...either he would become a suspect (someone Joran called in a panic, knowing he was there) or he would tell in his PV what time Joran came home that night.  If ALE asked about his staying the night, then we have to ask...was there a party?  Who was there?  Would fill in that last blank for the 5th suspect.

or if Paulus had ever left

[SS]

After lots of Microsoft downloads, my system is back up and running.  Thanks Rob, for the patches.  Couldn't use them because I don't use Outlook.

IIRC I read somewhere the Koen was supposed to be at Joran's house that night studying.  Studying could have been excuse to be away from his own house that night.  It sounds like the Pimps were most likely all there waiting for Joran to return with Natalee and hopefully, a few of her friends. 

[MumInOhio]

Lala's...the other car...who switched places...one of the Kalpoes might be let go!

Whose Hand????

[COLOMBO]

PVDS framing Freddy-didn't work.....waltzed away-without his lineage

[MumInOhio]

If Freddy did sleep over at Joran's that night...either he would become a suspect (someone Joran called in a panic, knowing he was there) or he would tell in his PV what time Joran came home that night.  If ALE asked about his staying the night, then we have to ask...was there a party?  Who was there?  Would fill in that last blank for the 5th suspect.

or if Paulus had ever left

Morning COLUMBO....Who said the alibi played for the Sloots?

[COLOMBO]

waltzed away-without his lineage

needs to sing to preserve his lineage

[MumInOhio]

PVDS framing Freddy-didn't work.....waltzed away-without his lineage

So if Paulus was framing Freddy, who was the alibi playing for, if not the Sloots?

[MumInOhio]

After lots of Microsoft downloads, my system is back up and running.  Thanks Rob, for the patches.  Couldn't use them because I don't use Outlook.

IIRC I read somewhere the Koen was supposed to be at Joran's house that night studying.  Studying could have been excuse to be away from his own house that night.  It sounds like the Pimps were most likely all there waiting for Joran to return with Natalee and hopefully, a few of her friends. 

Hi SS...hope you could restore your lost stuff!

IIRC Koen was visiting a friend in Florida