SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2

[MumInOhio]

Hi all,

There was a freddy that was arrested in 2004 for making/ preparing the porn movie of a Teen Girl, He was in KIA for something else, I do think he supose to get a work with selimar and his father worked for Blue Team. His father is a High Ranking Official in the blue Team. I do remeber that he was in for leaving the stove on and trying  to burn the Girlreinds house. The Judge at that time, knowing his father give him house arrest but he break the house arrest and went out to party. The Girlfriend call the cops becuase he was out with other girls in Bahia and C&C. He was wearing a wig that night but the girlfriend did recognise him and call the cops.

He was sent to KIA and then let go.

will check, He was a friend of David Lung and Dominquez Reyes and Fred they were the friend of that Baseball Pitcher Ponson who slap a Judge in Aruba on the beach.

All these are beach bums with only thing in their head is to score.

DL, DR and FRED are heavely in XTC and trafficing.
 

correct the last name of Dominquez.

Thanks Caps...America's favorite passtime!

Does this 'Freddy' have a last name? Is he about 24 years old?....TIA

[MumInOhio]

Finngirl...This is my post to JE about 'David'....I will find the references in the links below and post them in a little while...If it was US David, then the FBI would be questioning, I hope....

« Reply #3628 on: March 20, 2008, 08:46:59 AM » 

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JE…on the jealous boyfriend.

In Joran’s book, there is a reference to a jealous boyfriend, a David. I am not sure if this is the same David mentioned as going to ASI and whose mother worked for US Customs. I don’t even know if this is David’s real last name that Joran states in the book, probably not. It could also be David Wever or it could also be someone else and Joran used the name ‘David’ as he did with Marco and Guido.

He may have even included this all in his book because of the Simian posts. Who knows…after all the book is listed as fiction.

Here are both the book links…

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1097.0

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1117.0

[CapsLockWizard]

Hi all,

There was a freddy that was arrested in 2004 for making/ preparing the porn movie of a Teen Girl, He was in KIA for something else, I do think he supose to get a work with selimar and his father worked for Blue Team. His father is a High Ranking Official in the blue Team. I do remeber that he was in for leaving the stove on and trying  to burn the Girlreinds house. The Judge at that time, knowing his father give him house arrest but he break the house arrest and went out to party. The Girlfriend call the cops becuase he was out with other girls in Bahia and C&C. He was wearing a wig that night but the girlfriend did recognise him and call the cops.

He was sent to KIA and then let go.

will check, He was a friend of David Lung and Dominquez Reyes and Fred they were the friend of that Baseball Pitcher Ponson who slap a Judge in Aruba on the beach.

All these are beach bums with only thing in their head is to score.

DL, DR and FRED are heavely in XTC and trafficing.
 

correct the last name of Dominquez.

Thanks Caps...America's favorite passtime!

Does this 'Freddy' have a last name? Is he about 24 years old?....TIA

Now About freddy

Martina   Fred A        8/5/1980               Aruba
Martina   Wilfred E        6/12/1945              Bonaire

Fred Martina was the one that did make the porn film in Aruba. His Father is a big wig in the ALE. Both live Hooiberg 94F

Fred A , The A can be the lat name that the cops has given him and not to use his real last name to protect the father position
This is the family structure

These are the people living at the Address

Kock   Johannes J                 1/30/1972   Aruba               Hooiberg 94F
Kock, geb. Martina   Sandra                11/11/1970   Cali                Hooiberg 94FLaaf   Ashwin A                             6/1/1974                Aruba               Hooiberg 94F
Martina   Fred A                             8/5/1980                Aruba               Hooiberg 94F
Martina   Wilfred E                             6/12/1945   Bonaire               Hooiberg 94F
Martina, geb. Gonzalez   Nubia F   10/7/1949   Mocoa                Hooiberg 94F[/color]Spanner   Arelis G                             2/20/1978   San Cristobal   Hooiberg 94F

The blue are a family

The back bold is fred family

Fred us the one that made the porn movie of a young girl teen in Aruba and he is part of the gang.

go to take some zzzz.

[finngirl]

Finngirl….Posted by Buckeye originally IIRC…Notice that Jossy thinks on 8/26 that Freddy is being held for a false alibi….

Mansur says this guy was held in the beginning of the investigation and obviously the media was not made aware of this. Jossy says he is probably being held because of a false alibi for Joran van der Sloot he initially gave police.

Page 152
[Chapter] 11 Breakthrough Due to Best Friend Freddy

The police even interrogates all my friends and acquaintances. On June 12 2005 they interrogate my best friend, Freddy Zedan.

Posted by Ade69 (a new poster at RU, and could be Joran for all I know, regarding the explanation in Joran's book about Freddy's statements:

The translation is alright, it is probably the source for the "going in and out of conscious"-myth.

Here are the two last paragraphs of chapter 11 with Joran's explanation:

Freddy has been put under enormous pressure by the police, he was even arrested. He was terrified and as a Venezuelan in Aruba very vulnerable due to fear of deportation. He became a string puppet for the police and he did everything to prevent being arrested again.

chapter 11 deals w/ june 2005 events involving Freddy

the Freddy/K2 arrest was in august 2005

"he was even arrested" ... "to prevent being arrested again"
refers to june, yes?

[MumInOhio]

Finngirl...still getting the references from the translation.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1117.0

ISLAND BOY

CHAPTER 3

page 5:

David Fisiitalia also became a friend of Joran's, he met him at ISA. He came from Seattle in 2003 and moved to Aruba because his mom started working with the US customs office on the island. They hung around a lot in each other's houses and played soccer with friends at a field near Joran's house.

CHAPTER 5 – GIRLFRIENDS
 
You need to read this Chapter…really….about the ‘jealous boyfriend’

[CapsLockWizard]

Finngirl….Posted by Buckeye originally IIRC…Notice that Jossy thinks on 8/26 that Freddy is being held for a false alibi….

Mansur says this guy was held in the beginning of the investigation and obviously the media was not made aware of this. Jossy says he is probably being held because of a false alibi for Joran van der Sloot he initially gave police.

Page 152
[Chapter] 11 Breakthrough Due to Best Friend Freddy

The police even interrogates all my friends and acquaintances. On June 12 2005 they interrogate my best friend, Freddy Zedan.

Posted by Ade69 (a new poster at RU, and could be Joran for all I know, regarding the explanation in Joran's book about Freddy's statements:

The translation is alright, it is probably the source for the "going in and out of conscious"-myth.

Here are the two last paragraphs of chapter 11 with Joran's explanation:

Freddy has been put under enormous pressure by the police, he was even arrested. He was terrified and as a Venezuelan in Aruba very vulnerable due to fear of deportation. He became a string puppet for the police and he did everything to prevent being arrested again.

chapter 11 deals w/ june 2005 events involving Freddy

the Freddy/K2 arrest was in august 2005

"he was even arrested" ... "to prevent being arrested again"
refers to june, yes?

Well this show then that Freddy Zedan has notting to do with the case. it is the other protected Fred A. Every body calls Fred A. Freddy. So Fred Zedan is venezuelan and these are DUTCH... wonder ..

[MumInOhio]

Caps......It may have been the same judge that gave Ponson community service, so as not to mess up his work visa in the US for baseball, that let Joran out to go to school in the Netherlands.

I believe it was the precedent used in Joran's case.

[CapsLockWizard]

Caps......It may have been the same judge that gave Ponson community service, so as not to mess up his work visa in the US for baseball, that let Joran out to go to school in the Netherlands.

I believe it was the precedent used in Joran's case.

Yep it was the same Judge. From inside KIA, the only man that do films is F.A.M. he was 25 at the time.

Fits the profile. Check the father...see who he is..I think he is a Sub prosecuter...something like that.

[MumInOhio]

From Caps quote

Well this show then that Freddy Zedan has notting to do with the case. it is the other protected Fred A. Every body calls Fred A. Freddy. So Fred Zedan is venezuelan and these are DUTCH... wonder ..
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Caps...Freddy was also called Arends on posts in 2005…I also believe his mother to be Dutch….see below in red...the poster opened the link and has no reason to lie...others would have also opened the link she posted.

She is no longer listed at the SC Bubali

From a post
is also the location of the Bird Sanctuary which has 2 ponds.
Here is the complete name of Freddy's mom:
LILIAN REGINA ARAMBATZIS-RODRIGUEZ ALBERT

It appears that she has been married twice. I don't know if Rodriguez or Albert is her maiden name. Since she is listed as being "Dutch" I would think that "Albert" was probably her maiden name....but, I am not sure. Can anybody help me out on this?
I have always thought "Zedan" was Freddy's last name until I found this other info. Could it be his middle name?
You can find this information at:
http://206.48.100.138/registry/registry_search.afp
Type in: S.C. BUBALI where it says TRADE NAME & then click search.

Posted by: Shelly | Monday, August 29, 2005 at 06:31 PM

[MumInOhio]

Caps......It may have been the same judge that gave Ponson community service, so as not to mess up his work visa in the US for baseball, that let Joran out to go to school in the Netherlands.

I believe it was the precedent used in Joran's case.

Yep it was the same Judge. From inside KIA, the only man that do films is F.A.M. he was 25 at the time.

Fits the profile. Check the father...see who he is..I think he is a Sub prosecuter...something like that.

LOL...at Caps...how can I check the father if I don't know what the 'M' in F.A.M. stands for! 

[MumInOhio]

Hi all,

There was a freddy that was arrested in 2004 for making/ preparing the porn movie of a Teen Girl, He was in KIA for something else, I do think he supose to get a work with selimar and his father worked for Blue Team. His father is a High Ranking Official in the blue Team. I do remeber that he was in for leaving the stove on and trying  to burn the Girlreinds house. The Judge at that time, knowing his father give him house arrest but he break the house arrest and went out to party. The Girlfriend call the cops becuase he was out with other girls in Bahia and C&C. He was wearing a wig that night but the girlfriend did recognise him and call the cops.

He was sent to KIA and then let go.

will check, He was a friend of David Lung and Dominquez Reyes and Fred they were the friend of that Baseball Pitcher Ponson who slap a Judge in Aruba on the beach.

All these are beach bums with only thing in their head is to score.

DL, DR and FRED are heavely in XTC and trafficing.
 

correct the last name of Dominquez.

Thanks Caps...America's favorite passtime!

Does this 'Freddy' have a last name? Is he about 24 years old?....TIA

Now About freddy

Martina   Fred A        8/5/1980               Aruba
Martina   Wilfred E        6/12/1945              Bonaire

Fred Martina was the one that did make the porn film in Aruba. His Father is a big wig in the ALE. Both live Hooiberg 94F

Fred A , The A can be the lat name that the cops has given him and not to use his real last name to protect the father position
This is the family structure

These are the people living at the Address

Kock   Johannes J                 1/30/1972   Aruba               Hooiberg 94F
Kock, geb. Martina   Sandra                11/11/1970   Cali                Hooiberg 94FLaaf   Ashwin A                             6/1/1974                Aruba               Hooiberg 94F
Martina   Fred A                             8/5/1980                Aruba               Hooiberg 94F
Martina   Wilfred E                             6/12/1945   Bonaire               Hooiberg 94F
Martina, geb. Gonzalez   Nubia F   10/7/1949   Mocoa                Hooiberg 94F[/color]Spanner   Arelis G                             2/20/1978   San Cristobal   Hooiberg 94F

The blue are a family

The back bold is fred family

Fred us the one that made the porn movie of a young girl teen in Aruba and he is part of the gang.

go to take some zzzz.

Found it...Thanks Caps...going to have a busy day....

[MumInOhio]

Caps...There is a Karen Martina in the Dr. Phil documents listed as a friend of Freddy and Joran.  She was interviewed twice by Jacobs.

[CapsLockWizard]

Caps...There is a Karen Martina in the Dr. Phil documents listed as a friend of Freddy and Joran.  She was interviewed twice by Jacobs.

there is the missing link...it is a Martina.

Martina, Fred A = Martina, Fredy ARAMBATZIS

I will check the A initial from registry later.

 

[MumInOhio]

Caps...There is a Karen Martina in the Dr. Phil documents listed as a friend of Freddy and Joran.  She was interviewed twice by Jacobs.

there is the missing link...it is a Martina.

Martina, Fred A = Martina, Fredy ARAMBATZIS

I will check the A initial from registry later.

 

Caps...there is a photo in the old thread...I will find it and post the link...may take a while...but I wonder who the older man is in this pic with Freddy?

I will post as soon as I find it!

Is Freddy the KEY?

[CapsLockWizard]

Caps...There is a Karen Martina in the Dr. Phil documents listed as a friend of Freddy and Joran.  She was interviewed twice by Jacobs.

Now for Karen,

In my Database I have all the Martina but no Karen....Hmmmm

Do you have some info on this Karen.. DOB or age.

The only thing I think is that Kock Martina Sandra could have a use a false name or she must have another initials.

No Karen Martina in DATABASE.

Need to be checked out...

it now 7:15 , time for some kellogs honey weed & milk with omega-3 lol

[MumInOhio]

Caps...There is a Karen Martina in the Dr. Phil documents listed as a friend of Freddy and Joran.  She was interviewed twice by Jacobs.

Now for Karen,

In my Database I have all the Martina but no Karen....Hmmmm

Do you have some info on this Karen.. DOB or age.

The only thing I think is that Kock Martina Sandra could have a use a false name or she must have another initials.

No Karen Martina in DATABASE.

Need to be checked out...

it now 7:15 , time for some kellogs honey weed & milk with omega-3 lol

Caps....I will see what I can find...there is a lot of 'talk' in Joran's book of Karen, and I thought it was her. I will find it and post after I find the pic...still looking!

[MumInOhio]

Caps I found it!!! The picture…I mean…

Post 2664…Thanks Kermit…

I am not sure if the Ernesto in this pic is the same as the one on the previous page!

HELP….SHARON, KERMIT or vms….Please!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.2660

[MumInOhio]

Lala's...NO Judge Williams on Kermit's list of Judges that I can see! Did I miss it?

« Reply #3049 on: March 03, 2008, 11:47:30 PM » 

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From Kermit's post in the other thread:

"The justices on the Aruban bench:

mw. mr. E. Angela august 1st 2000
mw. mr. P. de Bruin august 1st 2000
mr. J.S. Kuiperdal
mr. P.A.H. Lemaire august 1st 2002
mr. C. Slothouber august 1st 2001
## mr. F.J.F. Gerard march 1st 2005
## mr. H.E. de Boer august 1st 2005
## mr. J.A. van Voorthuizen august 1st 2005



The justices on the Curacao bench

mw. mr. M.K. Asscheman-Versluis (since august 1st 1999)
mr. J. de Boer august 1st 1998
@ mr. R.A. Th. M. Dekkers after 2004 because at that time he was judge in The Hague
mr. W. Foppen (since august 1st 1999)
mr. L. van Gijn august 1st 2000
@ mr. L. Groefsema after 2004 because mr. L. Groefsema was a judge in Assen in 2004
@ mw. mr. L.C. Hoefdraad after 2004 because mw. mr. L.C. Hoefdraad at that time was a judge in the Hague
@ mr. S.M. Lieshout after 2004 because mr. S.M. Lieshout was a judge in Utrecht
mr. B.M. Mezas

@ mr. R.F.B. van Zutphen after 2004 because mr. R.F.B. van Zutphen was a judge in Amsterdam
mr. M.W. Zandbergen since may 1st 2000
@ mr. J.Th. Wit after 2004 because in 2004 he was DA in Dordrecht
mr. P. Wagemakers august 1st 2000
@ mr. R.W.J. van Veen after 2004 because in 2004 he was still a judge in Breda
mw. mr. M.M.M. Tillema september 1st 2000
@ mr. J.R. Sijmonsma after 2004
mw. mr. E.A. Saleh since august 1st 1999
mr. G.E.M. Polkamp november 1st 2000
@ mw. mr. M.H.H.A. Moes 2004 or later because in 2004 she was a judge in Almelo
mr. M.L.A. Angela since march 1st 2000
mr. A.N.G.N.E. Mijnssen since 1996, from november 2000 onwards part-time judge
mr. F.P. Wiel re-appointed for 3 more years on august 1st 1999
@ mr. H.A.C. Smid (since march 1st 2005)
## mr. J.M.P. Drijkoningen (since august 1st 2005)
## mw. mr. A.M.P. Geelhoed (since august 1st 2005)
## mr. K.J. Haarhuis (since august 1st 2005)
## mw. mr. L. de Kerpel-van de Poel (since august 1st 2005)
## mw. mr. A.S. Gratama (since august 1st 2005)
## mr. H.L. Wattel (since september 1st 2005)
Mr. P. W. van Schendel re-appointed for 3 more years on august 1st 2005

## mr. E.M. van der Bunt february 1st 2005
## mr. dr. J.P. de Haan february 1st 2005
@ mr. J.H. Bosch august 1st 2004
@ mr. E.P. van Unen august 1st 2004
@ mr. drs. G.C.C. Lewin august 1st 2004
@ mr W.J. Noordhuizen august 1st 2004
@ mr J.Th. Drop september 1st 2004

From the 45 justices working for the Court of Aruba and the Antilles:

11 started working there after Paul van der Sloot became a suspect
15 started working there much later than Paul van der Sloot

Only 19 might be friends of Paul van der Sloot and of them 14 were Curacao justices."

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46 sacrifices.

The judges serve three year contracts. Three years from 2005 would be now. A new(?) group of judges rotated in(unless they may serve more than once).

The 47th would break the cycle of conspiracy.

The conspiracy will then fall.

Judges....

The crooks, on Aruba or even in the United States, cannot flourish without corrupt lawyers and judges.

Look at all those businesses that people own there. They are washing machines.

Maybe PVDS is a lawyer for the dark side.

While I do not think drug trafficking is the answer that we seek, it is a piece of the puzzle. There are many pieces. All important.

We must shine a light on those that rule the night.

Why do the cowboys turn their heads? Me thinks the ABC's get their clothes washed there too. Easier than on the Hill.


Fin

[MumInOhio]

Find something new every time I read that book translation...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1097.0

P332

Also, an FBI "protected witness", an American called "Mr X", meets Deepak in July 2005 in the Internet café wehre Deepak works.

Deepak tells X: “I see what’s going on and I know much more. I’m certain that Natalee is no longer on the island.” He also says something that contradicts that: “When they find the duct-tape with Natalee’s hair on it, then I’ll go to jail", which is strange because they did find hair with duct tape but it wasn't Natalee's.

[Blonde]

So who is the 5th suspect? 

I don't have a darn clue!!!!

 

Judge arrested in Aruba case
Fifth suspect in custody after U.S. teen's disappearance

Thursday, June 23, 2005; Posted: 10:01 p.m. EDT (02:01 GMT)


Paul Van Der Sloot was arrested after being questioned by police as a witness over the weekend.


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Manage Alerts | What Is This? ORANJESTAD, Aruba (CNN) -- An Aruban judge, the father of a 17-year-old suspect in the disappearance of an Alabama teenager, also has been arrested in the case, the island's police commissioner said Thursday.

Prosecutors decided to keep Paul Van Der Sloot, 53, in custody for questioning for 48 hours, Aruba Police Commissioner Jan Van Der Straten said.