SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2

[Lala'sMom]

Thanks Pita and vms.  I thought I was losing it. Dilma is not Max's mom.

So how did Mum come to that conclusion?

Angelaberdine..back on page 67…Sorry!!!

Snuff film. They killed her during sex. Max Arends, Lorenzo, Kalpoe 1 and Joran were
involved, but Joran left. He could not handle it. Holiday Inn

Lorenzo is Jaime. Max is in Florida according to Scubajap with his dad. Dilmo send him to
Florida because it was heating up? Watch Scubajap. May get you in a trap.


Posted by: angelaberdine | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 05:11 AM

No, they are not two different people. Same one. Dilma's. Works with Scubajap at Bon Dia,
best friend of Jaime (a/k/a Lorenzo).

Posted by: angelaberdine | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 05:31 AM


Dilma works at Bon Dia with Scubajap. Newspaper owned by the same frizzy head that owns
Aruba Today.

OK. I am outta here because I got this information from some Mountain Brook people. You
know those lying, drunks we talk about on here.

I am outta here, going back to Mountain Brook tomorrow to visit with some more liars, my
kids and grandkids.

Posted by: angelaberdine | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 05:45 AM

Well, once again confusion reigns. LOL  Is anything ever cut and dried in this case?

[Lala'sMom]

And Dilma is Max's Mom!!!!  Go figure!!

FWIW, the name Vanessa is listed on the Lion's Club Roster as the lioness for Bibi Arends.
I have Dilma's husband as John Eloy Arends.

Vanessa?

[Lala'sMom]

no van straten do not fit the arawaks but Mrs. croes does.

So finally it is mrs croes

What clue leads you to it being a woman?  Just curious.

[COLOMBO]

waltzed away-without his lineage

needs to sing to preserve his lineage

Please!! Do not confuse Simian with Shango...that makes my head explode and that is not a pretty site...one of my pet peeves there.  Simian waltzed...Shango tangoed. LOL

were they telling two completely different stories?   

What do you think?

I agree-you may be confused 

Actually, I didn't say they were different...I was simply pointing out that you were mixing the verses is all.  Stop banging you head on that wall...you will get a bruise.

or a broken wall

[SS]

no van straten do not fit the arawaks but Mrs. croes does.

So finally it is mrs croes

Is Theresa Croes also related to Rudy, Hendrick and Steve? 

[SS]

.......doesn't want to let the old man down

Are you saying Joran is taking the rap for his dad? 

who switched places

Is Joran taking the rap for Lorenzo?

close-who did JVDS switch places with?

If it isn't Joran or Lorenzo, the it had to be Valentjin. 

[Lala'sMom]

no van straten do not fit the arawaks but Mrs. croes does.

So finally it is mrs croes

Is Theresa Croes also related to Rudy, Hendrick and Steve? 

Have we ever confirmed that Steve is related to any of the above?  I mean as in close relative. 

[MumInOhio]

And Dilma is Max's Mom!!!!  Go figure!!

FWIW, the name Vanessa is listed on the Lion's Club Roster as the lioness for Bibi Arends.
I have Dilma's husband as John Eloy Arends.

Vanessa?

Remember something about a Vanessa!...Reminder please...TIA

[COLOMBO]

.......doesn't want to let the old man down

Are you saying Joran is taking the rap for his dad? 

who switched places

Is Joran taking the rap for Lorenzo?

close-who did JVDS switch places with?

If it isn't Joran or Lorenzo, the it had to be Valentjin. 

he doesn't want to let the old man down

[SS]

.......doesn't want to let the old man down

Are you saying Joran is taking the rap for his dad? 

who switched places

Is Joran taking the rap for Lorenzo?

close-who did JVDS switch places with?

If it isn't Joran or Lorenzo, the it had to be Valentjin. 

he doesn't want to let the old man down

Colombo, you are talking Klaas and I in circles.     Joran switched places with Paulas, Lorenzo, or Valentjin????

[COLOMBO]

Simian Says: June 25th, 2005 at 6:57 pm
The phone call made in the small hours.

Simian Says: June 25th, 2005 at 7:28 pm
The father is trapped in a legal check mate.

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:48 pm
The boy told the Hindus that he didn’t need their help anymore. This was in the small hours.
The confrontation was brutal.  So who heeded his call? Who switched places?
People…the bloodied, swollen tongue. The boy’s fear runs deep.

[vms]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160759,00.html
From this link, Steve Croes' mother is Imelda Stacia-Soliana.  

Same link:
"I think they're trying to put some acts of pressure on the son," Justice Minister Rudy Croes, who is unrelated to the detained boat worker, told Geraldo Rivera in an exclusive interview.

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http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/17/missing.teen/index.html
The prosecutor's office said there is no relationship between its spokeswoman and the suspect, and that the name "Croes" in Aruba is about as common as "Smith" in the United States.


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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159862,00.html
Mariaine Croes also said she was no relation to Steve Croes, adding that the surname was a common one on the island.

[hotping]

.......doesn't want to let the old man down

Are you saying Joran is taking the rap for his dad? 

who switched places

Is Joran taking the rap for Lorenzo?

close-who did JVDS switch places with?

If it isn't Joran or Lorenzo, the it had to be Valentjin. 

he doesn't want to let the old man down

Van der Stratten

[Lala'sMom]

And Dilma is Max's Mom!!!!  Go figure!!

FWIW, the name Vanessa is listed on the Lion's Club Roster as the lioness for Bibi Arends.
I have Dilma's husband as John Eloy Arends.

Vanessa?

Remember something about a Vanessa!...Reminder please...TIA

Vanessa was a FP poster that morphed into another poster and so forth.  Doesn't mean that this is our Shango....uh...I mean Vanessa. 

[Lala'sMom]

OOPS!  Sorry, I meant our Shockthemonkey...uh...our Simian...er....Checkme...oh nevermind. 

[hotping]

OOPS!  Sorry, I meant our Shockthemonkey...uh...our Simian...er....Checkme...oh nevermind. 

[Lala'sMom]

Mum
How did you miss this? 

From CNN transcript aired August 29, 2005:

HARRIS FAULKNER, "A CURRENT AFFAIR" CORRESPONDENT: Yes, really a lot, Nancy. "A Current Affair" has learned the name of the third guy arrested on Friday along with the Kalpoe brothers. We knew his initials were FZA, we knew his name might be Freddy. Tonight we know it`s Freddy Zedan Arambatzis. And I talked with this man`s attorney actually.

GRACE: Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. What? Freddy what?

(LAUGHTER)

FAULKNER: Zedan Arambatzis.

GRACE: OK.

FAULKNER: ZA. So we were able to confirm that. "A Current Affair" talked with his attorney earlier today to see why he might have been picked up on the same day with the Kalpoe brothers. Because you remember on Friday, Nancy, really, all the way through the weekend, there was a lot of speculation on whether or not he had anything to even do with Natalee Holloway`s case.

I`ll tell you the big connection. He`s very good friends with Joran Van Der Sloot. In fact, "A Current Affair" has some exclusive photos of the two of them together. But meanwhile, his attorney is saying, however, that he was picked up on a different charge, a different case, not related to Natalee Holloway. We`ll have to see how that plays out. That`s thing number one.

Thing number two, that party boat deejay, remember Steven Croes?

GRACE: Yes.

FAULKNER: Well, a camera crew spotted him coming out of the police station today, thought maybe he`d been re-arrested. Apparently he told the camera crew, no, I just went to pick a few things up. However, "A Current Affair" got a call from his mother earlier today saying she was concerned that her son might have been re-arrested. So we`re still working to see what the plan is there.

I thought he`d been exonerated. "A Current Affair" was the only station to talk with him, the only network to talk with him when he got out of prison the first time he was arrested. He told me on camera, Harris, I`ve been exonerated, I have no reason to think I`ll be a further suspect in this case. That was over a month ago.

Back at the police station, Nancy, we`re not quite sure why. He says he`s picking something up. His mom says she`s worried.

[Lala'sMom]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160759,00.html
From this link, Steve Croes' mother is Imelda Stacia-Soliana.  

Same link:
"I think they're trying to put some acts of pressure on the son," Justice Minister Rudy Croes, who is unrelated to the detained boat worker, told Geraldo Rivera in an exclusive interview.

**********

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/17/missing.teen/index.html
The prosecutor's office said there is no relationship between its spokeswoman and the suspect, and that the name "Croes" in Aruba is about as common as "Smith" in the United States.


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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159862,00.html
Mariaine Croes also said she was no relation to Steve Croes, adding that the surname was a common one on the island.

I take this to mean that Steve Croes is not related to either Rudy or Hendrick, correct? Maybe? Hopefully? Kinda..sorta...maybe?

[SS]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160759,00.html
From this link, Steve Croes' mother is Imelda Stacia-Soliana.  

Same link:
"I think they're trying to put some acts of pressure on the son," Justice Minister Rudy Croes, who is unrelated to the detained boat worker, told Geraldo Rivera in an exclusive interview.

**********

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/17/missing.teen/index.html
The prosecutor's office said there is no relationship between its spokeswoman and the suspect, and that the name "Croes" in Aruba is about as common as "Smith" in the United States.


**********

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159862,00.html
Mariaine Croes also said she was no relation to Steve Croes, adding that the surname was a common one on the island.

I take this to mean that Steve Croes is not related to either Rudy or Hendrick, correct? Maybe? Hopefully? Kinda..sorta...maybe?

I can't prove it.  I had read that Steve was connected to an unnamed official on Aruba.  I had also read that his father had been a judge on Curacao.  He is divorced and he had a two year old.  He was living with his grandparents and the woman next door (married to Rufo Solagnier) was his aunt.  I can't see the youngest two generations in most genealogist charts because they are still living, so I can't give you names or any specific information.  Someone would have to get that from the courthouse in Oranjestadt.  Both Finbar and CAPS took us to the genealogy chart of a cetain AG.  Rudy and Hendrick are supposed to be on a specific branch of that tree.  I have also wondered and asked several times if there could possible be a third brother.  CAPS said specifically that Steve is actually Hendrick, Jr.

[COLOMBO]

Mum
How did you miss this? 

From CNN transcript aired August 29, 2005:

HARRIS FAULKNER, "A CURRENT AFFAIR" CORRESPONDENT: Yes, really a lot, Nancy. "A Current Affair" has learned the name of the third guy arrested on Friday along with the Kalpoe brothers. We knew his initials were FZA, we knew his name might be Freddy. Tonight we know it`s Freddy Zedan Arambatzis. And I talked with this man`s attorney actually.

GRACE: Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. What? Freddy what?

(LAUGHTER)

FAULKNER: Zedan Arambatzis.

GRACE: OK.

FAULKNER: ZA. So we were able to confirm that. "A Current Affair" talked with his attorney earlier today to see why he might have been picked up on the same day with the Kalpoe brothers. Because you remember on Friday, Nancy, really, all the way through the weekend, there was a lot of speculation on whether or not he had anything to even do with Natalee Holloway`s case.

I`ll tell you the big connection. He`s very good friends with Joran Van Der Sloot. In fact, "A Current Affair" has some exclusive photos of the two of them together. But meanwhile, his attorney is saying, however, that he was picked up on a different charge, a different case, not related to Natalee Holloway. We`ll have to see how that plays out. That`s thing number one.

Thing number two, that party boat deejay, remember Steven Croes?

GRACE: Yes.

FAULKNER: Well, a camera crew spotted him coming out of the police station today, thought maybe he`d been re-arrested. Apparently he told the camera crew, no, I just went to pick a few things up. However, "A Current Affair" got a call from his mother earlier today saying she was concerned that her son might have been re-arrested. So we`re still working to see what the plan is there.

I thought he`d been exonerated. "A Current Affair" was the only station to talk with him, the only network to talk with him when he got out of prison the first time he was arrested. He told me on camera, Harris, I`ve been exonerated, I have no reason to think I`ll be a further suspect in this case. That was over a month ago.

Back at the police station, Nancy, we`re not quite sure why. He says he`s picking something up. His mom says she`s worried.

in August?