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Buckeye
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Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
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April 07, 2008, 07:51:03 PM »
For
Mum
Posted by Pearl at BFN:
Posting just because I thought it interesting information. This is from 24ora where Mr. Mos and others in ceremony for the local Rotary Club. This part was written in English so copied just this bio info.....
HANS MOS:
Hans Mos is 49 years old, married and has a daughter of 7. In 1991 he
started as public prosecutor in Middelburg in the province of Zeeland.
Since 1995 he worked in Rotterdam and in 1996 he was especially assigned
to fight organized crime. Since 2000 he became team leader. In 2001 he
obtained his Master Degree Public Administration and since 2003 he is
teamleader at the National Office of Public Prosecutors in Rotterdam.
Since May 1, 2007
he is Chief Public Prosecutor in Aruba.
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Quote from: MumInOhio on April 07, 2008, 06:20:39 AM
Lala’s
….Back to my question on the Marriott…Which Marriott? The one Downtown or the one with the road of ‘white gold that is not paved’? When did Melody see Joran downtown…Saturday or Sunday night? They circled around the block and made a stop where? Which one did the dots on the dish put them at?
They beeped all the way to Bill’s lodging’s?
Bill Marriott Jr.,
Marriott Corporation Chairman, Visits Hotel
http://www.hotel-online.com/News/PR2005_1st/Feb05_RenAruba.html
The 559-room Renaissance Aruba Resort & Casino Completes a $15 million Renovation
The resort, built by Metacorp, a local Aruba-based holding company….
Bill Marriott Jr
. (sixth from right), Chairman of Marriott Corp., meets with
the Renaissance Aruba developer
Eduardo de Veer
(left of Mr. Marriott)
and representatives of the hotel employees during the 15th Anniversary
celebrations in Aruba
It could also mean Bill Carson - BANK
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April 07, 2008, 08:08:11 PM »
CATIRI STREET - A lot of apartments along this quiet street.
7A Catiri Freddy Zedan Arambatziz
ORANJESTAD - Saturday is
a car in Catiri drove on a boulder
. De bestuurder van de witte Toyota Yaris verloor de macht over het stuur, waarschijnlijk door een te hoge snelheid. The driver of the white Toyota Yaris lost power on the steering wheel, probably because of an excessive speed. De auto reed op de steen en ramde daarbij bijna het afdak van een snacktruck. The car rode on the stone and ramde nearly the shelter of a snacktruck. De politie was snel ter plaatse en riep een ambulance op om de chauffeur, die gewond was geraakt, te helpen. The police were quickly on the ground and called an ambulance to the driver, who was injured hit, to help.
http://tinyurl.com/54nunb
6A Catiri - 5th Gear Art Productions Aruba
We found
Sonia Lemminga Martis
situated in front of the Royal Plaza Shopping Mall at the fruitmarket in Oranjestad
selling both her and her son's original art and prints.
I bought a lovely countryside scene that she painted from the tops of the Casibari Rocks and a painting of the California Lighthouse by her son. She is a very charming lady and was absolutely tickled that I had heard about her on the Internet. It was a pleasure for Randy and me to meet her. She is very talented.
Her business card reads 5th Gear Art Productions
- Tel/Fax: 297 871241
http://www.visitaruba.com/guestarea/tripreports/trip004.html
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April 07, 2008, 08:13:19 PM »
Hi Everybody. I've been reading fast and I think that I'm caught up.
CAPS - Thanks for the confirmation about Steve Croes and Hendrick. It was making LaLa and I a little crazy.
CAPS - Is Freddie "what ever his last name is" one of Rudy's illegitimate sons?
I thought that you would all get a laugh out of this article from a Curacao paper.
Aruba Urges Netherlands To End Holloway “Fairy Tales”
Wednesday, June 29th, 2005
WILLEMSTAD, 29/6/05 - Justice Minister Croes of Aruba wants the Dutch government to show official support to the island. He says fairy-tales about the disappearance of American schoolgirl Natalee Holloway are systematically appearing in the US media.
Croes is afraid of the consequences that the negative reports could have for American tourism on the island.
http://www.curacao.name/2005/06/
LaLa - thi is a link to a site where you can find street maps of Aruba.
Oranjestad Aruba Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/oranjestad2002.gif
Aruba Maps
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1424188/posts?page=983
Steve has an uncle who's a radio celebrity.
Steve Croes (26-year-old), the fourth suspect in the case of missing Natalee Holloway, is a nephew of one of the main commentator on Top95 FM.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1424188/posts?q=1&;page=1151
This was really interesting...
Joran Van Der Sloot Blog
Steve Croes was seen breaking into the Fisherman's Huts on the night of .
.. The Posner Group reportedly owns hotels and casinos on Aruba, Curacao and ...
joranvandersloot.blogspot.com/2005/09/things-are-definitaly-looking-up-joran.html - 261k -
CA
PS - was there ancasino party going on at the Brickell while an additional small party was being held somewhere else? Were there two parties that night? Was Natalee taken to the party where Guido was the diceman and Steve Croes was in charge of the invitations? Was Paulus attending the party at the Brickell Bay?
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CAPS - I keep going back to who Joran switched with. He didn't want to let his father down. He didn't switch with Lorenzo or Valentjin, so he had to have switched with Paulus.
I just read Finbar's article about the old men pigs and how their younger sons gets girls for them. Did Joran bring Natalee home for Paulus? Did Paulus kill Natalee and now the boys are covering for him?
Is this what was meant by
"not your father"
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I'm sorry...I left the link off of the bottom of my previous post.
Joran Van Der Sloot Blog
Steve Croes was seen breaking into the Fisherman's Huts on the night of ... The Posner Group reportedly owns hotels and casinos on Aruba, Curacao and ...
joranvandersloot.blogspot.com/2005/09/things-are-definitaly-looking-up-joran.html - 261k -
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April 07, 2008, 08:58:30 PM »
Quote from: SS on April 07, 2008, 08:24:33 PM
CAPS - I keep going back to who Joran switched with. He didn't want to let his father down. He didn't switch with Lorenzo or Valentjin, so he had to have switched with Paulus.
I just read Finbar's article about the old men pigs and how their younger sons gets girls for them. Did Joran bring Natalee home for Paulus? Did Paulus kill Natalee and now the boys are covering for him?
Is this what was meant by
"not your father"
.
Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 2:56 pm
There is a gap in the stories between father and son.
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Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 10:36 am
The boy was picked up at 23:00 on Sunday at Mickey D’s. Sneaked out later.
Was on time for school.
Don’t mix things up.
Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 5:49 pm
The phone call to the father was made at 4:00 in the morning. No wonder
he was late for school.
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April 07, 2008, 09:50:27 PM »
Quote from: COLOMBO on April 07, 2008, 09:02:09 PM
Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 10:36 am
The boy was picked up at 23:00 on Sunday at Mickey D’s. Sneaked out later.
Was on time for school.
Don’t mix things up.
Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 5:49 pm
The phone call to the father was made at 4:00 in the morning. No wonder
he was late for school.
Colombo -
You have blown my mind. Are you telling us that Joran and the Kalpoes took Natalee home and then Paulus and possibly the men took over?
Are you telling us that Paulus killed Natalee, got the boys to cover for him, and had Steve Croes and possibly Lorenzo (his other son) get rid of Natalee? Oh My God.
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April 07, 2008, 09:52:14 PM »
Quote from: COLOMBO on April 07, 2008, 09:02:09 PM
Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 10:36 am
The boy was picked up at 23:00 on Sunday at Mickey D’s. Sneaked out later.
Was on time for school.
Don’t mix things up.
Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 5:49 pm
The phone call to the father was made at 4:00 in the morning. No wonder
he was late for school.
Joran was on time for school... but Paulus was late for His teaching job at the school??? Is this Correct?
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April 07, 2008, 09:58:53 PM »
Quote from: SS on April 07, 2008, 09:50:27 PM
Quote from: COLOMBO on April 07, 2008, 09:02:09 PM
Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 10:36 am
The boy was picked up at 23:00 on Sunday at Mickey D’s. Sneaked out later.
Was on time for school.
Don’t mix things up.
Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 5:49 pm
The phone call to the father was made at 4:00 in the morning. No wonder
he was late for school.
Colombo -
You have blown my mind. Are you telling us that Joran and the Kalpoes took Natalee home and then Paulus and possibly the men took over?
Are you telling us that Paulus killed Natalee, got the boys to cover for him, and had Steve Croes and possibly Lorenzo (his other son) get rid of Natalee? Oh My God.
Take it easy SS..this is not new news...this is what Shango has been saying all along. Shango does not implicate Joran in anything...remember he's the scapegoat...he ran bleating....I guess that means afraid.
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April 07, 2008, 10:13:30 PM »
Quote from: Lala'sMom on April 07, 2008, 09:58:53 PM
Quote from: SS on April 07, 2008, 09:50:27 PM
Quote from: COLOMBO on April 07, 2008, 09:02:09 PM
Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 10:36 am
The boy was picked up at 23:00 on Sunday at Mickey D’s. Sneaked out later.
Was on time for school.
Don’t mix things up.
Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 5:49 pm
The phone call to the father was made at 4:00 in the morning. No wonder
he was late for school.
And then Paulus sat the boys down the next day and instructed them about the story to be told because they had been seen leaving C&Cs with Natalee. Do Beth and Dave have this information? Steve Croes helped Paulus, not Joran. Rudy protected everyone because Steve is his nephew and Paulus and his other friends were the guilty ones. The party goers that we worked on are the ones who did Natalee in. That's how her hairbrush and things ended up at Lorenzo's house. This coverup is worse than I had possibly imagined.
Colombo -
You have blown my mind. Are you telling us that Joran and the Kalpoes took Natalee home and then Paulus and possibly the men took over?
Are you telling us that Paulus killed Natalee, got the boys to cover for him, and had Steve Croes and possibly Lorenzo (his other son) get rid of Natalee? Oh My God.
Take it easy SS..this is not new news...this is what Shango has been saying all along. Shango does not implicate Joran in anything...remember he's the scapegoat...he ran bleating....I guess that means afraid.
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My response disappeared.
Then Paulus sat the boys down the next day and told them the story to tell because they had been seen leaving C&Cs with Natalee. Do Dave and Beth have this information. Joran and the Kalpoes took her to Paulus and the rest of the party goers that we identified. Steve Croes and Lorenzo helped Paulus, not Joran. This is how Natalee's hairbrush and things ended up at Lorenzo's house. This coverup is worse than I imagined. What were Joran and the Kalpoes doing by the pond?
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The Lamb and the elder are not the keystone in the Arch of Corruption.
Seek ye DirtyHand and the Fetid Arawak King who wishes to blame the babylonians for
the behaviour of lowly minions.
If he (Arawak King) is to
reign anew
, he cannot
be soiled
more.
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Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 2:50 pm
This is bad. Really bad…He has a history of making himself be
something he is not
. [Arawak]
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:01 pm
Arawaks
often go
to play
in small houses of Babylon with the offspring of the Elders
http://www.ca11.uscourts.gov/opinions/ops/200214306.pdf
pg 4: Both pimps and prostitutes generally referred to their activities as “the game.”
Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 12:23 am
Follow the notes
to the poison house
where the
children of the babylonians
and
the arawak nation
meet, under cover of delusion.
In the maze
the lions which
play
shall be found.
The gamblers also took note. (make book?)
Tell the cowboys!
Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:49 pm
The maze offers many hidden desires
deflowerings of forbidden fruits
DirtyHand knows.
So does the elder.
The lamb is a scapegoat.
Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 11:43 pm
Mary rolled into the maze
to play
with lions
but it was not a game
the lamb ran bleating
afraid to walk through the maze
why don’t the arawaks ambush the lions?
The cowboys don’t know.
DirtyHand knows, but is
afraid of the Arawak Nation
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Did we decide who Dirty Hand is?
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Colombo...Is this anything like what You are trying to say about Your last post...
« Reply #9 on: March 29, 2008, 01:16:12 AM »
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I know, cause, there really ARE Arawak Indians
and they are pagan cannibals that sacrafice
virgins to their gods.
According to their own numbers over
90% of Aruba's people are Arawak.
Just as Shango says, it boils down to
cowboys and indians.
Are Paulus and the Elders... Arawaks who seek Young Virgins for sacrifice? Van Der Stratten knows what They do but is afraid of them....
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Reply #1577 on:
April 07, 2008, 11:13:39 PM »
Quote from: vms on April 07, 2008, 12:14:04 PM
Quote from: CapsLockWizard on April 07, 2008, 12:08:08 PM
Quote from: vms on April 07, 2008, 11:59:40 AM
Quote from: CapsLockWizard on April 07, 2008, 11:55:56 AM
VMS:
Correct but steve is an adult and left curacao to come and live here in Aruba. How long has he been living in Aruba.
if he came as a minor less then 18, his Mother and father would have to resgister them self for him to get register. and the names will be here.
now he married in Aruba, now the gei should have some info on him...his roots.
was hendrick croes the lawyer ever working in Curacao?
I don't know how long he has lived there and I'm not sure that he ever married Jeanet Gei.
JMO, but if he was related to Rudy's family, someone would have revealed that information when he was arrested. I mean I don't think everyone on Aruba is a Rudy fan.
I don't know when this was originally posted, it caught my eye because of Finbars post a while back that said he'd read that SGC's father was in the judiciary. The page that this information is on also has articles at the top from 2007 so it may not have been posted here at the time. I'm not sure, but found it interesting.
SNIP:
Unbelievable, after 18 days a fourth suspect now confirmed arrested,
26 year old, son of a prominent businessman and alleged friend of joran van der Sloot
. Aruban authorities state there is an search going on with regards to this arrest but did not state where.
The boy has the initials SGC, and his father is also high in the judiciary
.
http://scaredmonkeys.com/index.php?s=seroe
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.
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Quote from: hotping on April 07, 2008, 10:47:02 PM
Colombo...Is this anything like what You are trying to say about Your last post...
« Reply #9 on: March 29, 2008, 01:16:12 AM »
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I know, cause, there really ARE Arawak Indians
and they are pagan cannibals that sacrafice
virgins to their gods.
According to their own numbers over
90% of Aruba's people are Arawak.
Just as Shango says, it boils down to
cowboys and indians.
Are Paulus and the Elders... Arawaks who seek Young Virgins for sacrifice? Van Der Stratten knows what They do but is afraid of them....
That sounds like Patti...
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Quote from: Lala'sMom on April 07, 2008, 11:16:22 PM
Quote from: hotping on April 07, 2008, 10:47:02 PM
Colombo...Is this anything like what You are trying to say about Your last post...
« Reply #9 on: March 29, 2008, 01:16:12 AM »
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I know, cause, there really ARE Arawak Indians
and they are pagan cannibals that sacrafice
virgins to their gods.
According to their own numbers over
90% of Aruba's people are Arawak.
Just as Shango says, it boils down to
cowboys and indians.
Are Paulus and the Elders... Arawaks who seek Young Virgins for sacrifice? Van Der Stratten knows what They do but is afraid of them....
That sounds like Patti...
It was Patti's post..but unfortunately it sounds like maybe it is what Shango was trying to say then...and now... Colombo
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=> Morgan Dana Harrington, 20yrs missing VA Tech 10/17/09(BODY FOUND)
=> Hannah Elizabeth Graham missing since 9/13/14 Charlottesville, VA
=> Alexis Murphy, missing since 8/3/13 Charlottesville, VA
=> Samantha Ann Clarke 19yrs. old Orange Va. Last seen 09/13/10
=> Dashad Sage Smith missing since 11/20/12 Charlottesville, VA
=> Cassandra Morton 23, Lynchburg, missing 10/10/09 body found 11/29/09
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High Profile Crimes and Trials (not missing persons)
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=> Jodi Arias trial - for the murder of Travis Alexander
=> Trial of George Zimmerman - 2nd Degree Murder of 17yr old Trayvon Martin
=> Scott Peterson Appeal of Murder Conviction
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Missing, Exploited and True Crime
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=> Missing Exploited and True Crime
===> Missing Persons Forum
=====> Missing Found or Presumed Deceased
=====> Missing Found Safe
=====> Missing Endangered Runaways
=====> Resourses, Search Groups and Fundraisers
===> Crimes Against Children, Elderly and the Disabled
===> Crimes of Passion/Anger
===> Serial Killers and Their Possible Victims
===> Unsolved Crimes
=====> Finally Solved
===> Haleigh Marie Cummings - Florida
===> Adji Desir - Florida
===> Somer Renee Thompson 7 yo, Orange Park FL 10/19/09(BODY FOUND)
===> Tracy Ocasio - Orlando/Ocoee, Florida
===> Shaniya Nicole Davis, 5 Fayetteville, NC Missing 11/10/09(BODY FOUND)
===> Holly Bobo, 20yrs old missing Parsons, TN 4/13/11
===> Hailey Dunn - 13yrs old - Colorado City, TX missing 12/27/10 (Body Found)
===> Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (BODY FOUND)
===> Lindsey Baum - McCleary, WA 6/26/09
===> Amber Leeanne Dubois 14yrs old - Escondido, CA(BODY FOUND)
===> Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
===> Sandra Cantu, 8 years old - Tracy, CA(BODY FOUND)
===> Madeleine McCann - Portugal
===> Christine Marie Sheddy - missing since 11/13/2007 - Maryland(BODY FOUND)
===> Nevaeh Amyah Buchanan 5yr Monroe Michigan(BODY FOUND)
===> Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Tempe AZ-San Antonio TX
===> Stacy Ann Peterson missing & Kathleen Savio murdered - Illinois
===> Zahra Clare Baker - 10yrs old Hickory, NC (Body Found)
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Natalee Holloway
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=> Natalee Holloway
=> Important Case Documents
===> Joran Statements/PV's
===> Paulus Statements/PV's
===> Deepak Statements/PV's
===> Satish Statements/PV's
===> Misc Statements/PV's
=> LCD Archive
=> Shango/Simian and other Codetalkers
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Current Events and Musings
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=> Monkey Musings / Open Discussion
=> Pop Culture Main
===> Hugely Popular TV Shows
===> Movies and Television
===> Social Media
===> Music
===> Books
===> Scared Monkeys Radio with Dana Pretzer
=> Health and Medical Issues
=> Food and Product Recalls
=> News of the Day
=> Business News
=> Sports
=> Political Forum
=> Religion (discussion and debate)
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The Monkey Lounge
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=> The Monkey Lounge
===> Fashion & Decorating
===> What's Cooking? Recipes
===> Games
=> Inspirational
===> Memorial - Gone but Never Forgotten
===> Gratefulness - Light a Candle in Prayer
===> Inspirational scriptures, songs, stories and prayers
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Natalee Discussions (2005 ARCHIVE)
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=> Natalee Holloway
=> Theory and Speculation
=> Links and References Only
=> Natalee Breaking News Archive
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General Discussions (2005 ARCHIVE)
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=> News Issues
=> Chit Chat
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