SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2

[SS]

Did this happen at the Brickell Bay?

I can't believe that Julia Renfro was there. 

[Lala'sMom]

Did this happen at the Brickell Bay?

I can't believe that Julia Renfro was there. 

This is all speculation on our part...drawing conclusions from things we have learned over the last 3 years.  Keep in mind that Caps version of Shango is just that at this point...his version of events.  Without any proof it will remain as Shango would say " cowboys and Indians".  Everything in this thread is pretty much a guessing game and based on rumor and speculation with some of us trying to put known facts in to make the pieces fit.  Shango and Simian both are easy to manipulate into various ways of thinking...that is why there are no cut and dried conclusions here.  We can say all day that Steve Croes is the 5th suspect and until you can tie him to what Simian says this 5th person did..he's still just as viable as all the others.  I can say that Shango meant ALE when he said Arawaks all day long, but until I can prove it...that is all it is...my opinion.  If I look up the word it has many meanings...native Indians of Aruba...government, police, etc. 

Many of our most brilliant posters have long told the tales of hidden societies that take young girls in Aruba for their pleasure...nothing yet has tied Paulus to any of it or even Joran for that matter.  Most likely, it is the best kept dirty little secret that everyone knows in Aruba and throughout the Caribbean.  Just keep in mind that Shango does not implicate Joran or the Kalpoes.  Neither does Simian.  Shango's villian is dirty hand and Simian's is 5th suspect.

"they left..they met around the pool..they didn't know what the father did...young lambdersloot will be scapegoat...deflowering of forbidden fruit..dirty hand walks in houses ...dirty hand knows..etc."

Just some things to keep in mind as you make your journey into the land of Shango...patience grasshopper.

[vms]

VMS:
Correct but steve is an adult and left curacao to come and live here in Aruba. How long has he been living in Aruba.

if he came as a minor less then 18, his Mother and father would have to resgister them self for him to get register. and the names will be here.

now he married in Aruba, now the gei should have some info on him...his roots.

was hendrick croes the lawyer ever working in Curacao?

I don't know how long he has lived there and I'm not sure that he ever married Jeanet Gei.

JMO, but if he was related to Rudy's family, someone would have revealed that information when he was arrested. I mean I don't think everyone on Aruba is a Rudy fan.  

I don't know when this was originally posted, it caught my eye because of Finbars post a while back that said he'd read that SGC's father was in the judiciary.  The page that this information is on also has articles at the top from 2007 so it may not have been posted here at the time.  I'm not sure, but found it interesting.
SNIP:
Unbelievable, after 18 days a fourth suspect now confirmed arrested, 26 year old, son of a prominent businessman and alleged friend of joran van der Sloot. Aruban authorities state there is an search going on with regards to this arrest but did not state where.
The boy has the initials SGC, and his father is also high in the judiciary.
http://scaredmonkeys.com/index.php?s=seroe

Yes, there are still videos from that time period stating the same. IMO, it was before it was determined who SGC really was. I haven't seen anything to convince me he is related to Rudy.

LVR is still the 5th suspect, IMO.

[SS]

Thanks, LaLa.  It really does seem to make sense and I never did think that Joran and the Kalpoes built sandcastles.  How can this information be used to help Beth and Dave?  Are they in agreement with any of it?  Where does the FBI and our government fit into all of this?  I guess we will just have to wait until someone sings.  Hopefully the lamb who was sacrificed will reveal information during Beth's lawsuit.  If nothing else, it will keep the case in front of the world.  I have to feel that many Arubans have figured this out.  I was reading comments by a teenaged girl who knew Joran.  She was defending him and saying that he was upset at what was happening and went home.  Imagine what these truly evil men have done to the minds of their sons.  It's despicable.  Has CAPS helped us figure out who Dirty Hand is yet?  Was he saying DTKM?

[Kermit]

Croes' uncle Rufo Solognier, a retired police officer, described his nephew as a quiet divorced man with a 2-year-old son. Solognier said he did not know of any connection between Croes and the three others.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/18/missing.teen/index.html

[Lala'sMom]

Thanks, LaLa.  It really does seem to make sense and I never did think that Joran and the Kalpoes built sandcastles.  How can this information be used to help Beth and Dave?  Are they in agreement with any of it?  Where does the FBI and our government fit into all of this?  I guess we will just have to wait until someone sings.  Hopefully the lamb who was sacrificed will reveal information during Beth's lawsuit.  If nothing else, it will keep the case in front of the world.  I have to feel that many Arubans have figured this out.  I was reading comments by a teenaged girl who knew Joran.  She was defending him and saying that he was upset at what was happening and went home.  Imagine what these truly evil men have done to the minds of their sons.  It's despicable.  Has CAPS helped us figure out who Dirty Hand is yet?  Was he saying DTKM?

Actually, nothing and yet everything fits into Shango and Simian and all the other code talkers.  You can make anything fit if you want to.  I doubt the FBI or anyone besides us even think Shango is worthy of discussion...it's pretty much cut and dried to logical thinkers...Natalee was last seen with Joran and the Kalpoes.  She never made it back to the hotel.  That tells me that the 3 suspects are still just that suspects in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.  If you can give any merit to the cryptic duo it would be the fact they attempted to shed light on a society that none of us normal people ever had a clue about...the corruption and subsequent cover up for a few elite that seem to have a lot of power and an island willing to allow them free reign at their own peril.

[Lala'sMom]

Croes' uncle Rufo Solognier, a retired police officer, described his nephew as a quiet divorced man with a 2-year-old son. Solognier said he did not know of any connection between Croes and the three others.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/18/missing.teen/index.html

I did not hold you under a bright light to get all the info you have posted...but I am grateful...thanks little buddy.

[hotping]

LALA"S....I did not mean that I believed Patti's post only that I'm like Everyone else..I'm trying to figure out what Colombo is getting at.......so Here's back at Ya.... LOL   

[Lala'sMom]

LALA"S....I did not mean that I believed Patti's post only that I'm like Everyone else..I'm trying to figure out what Colombo is getting at.......so Here's back at Ya.... LOL   

Was that really Patti?   Wow!  I am good!! 

[Lala'sMom]

SS
I almost forgot...last I heard Rudy Croes' son was the 5th suspect according to Caps.  Still waiting for the details.  Not sure if it's the doppleganger one or one of the other two.  Details are a little fuzzy with me on that one. 

[hotping]

LALA"S....I did not mean that I believed Patti's post only that I'm like Everyone else..I'm trying to figure out what Colombo is getting at.......so Here's back at Ya.... LOL   

Was that really Patti?   Wow!  I am good!! 

Yep! It was from the Grey Whisperer Thread....

[jackb]

Did this happen at the Brickell Bay?

I can't believe that Julia Renfro was there. 

 
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[Blonde]

IMO Steve Croes holds some kind of key.
He was told to inject himself into this case, for a reason.
Nobody does this unless he was told to.
Could he be the 5th  suspect arrested in this case
I think we should look into this, Facts only

Steven (Seferino) G.Croes, 26
His Mother IMOLDA STATIA SALIANA
Steve Croes…DJ…worked at C&C’s.
from Curacao

DOB July 21, 1978

Divorced? and a small child. Mother of his child is Jeanet Gei.

Is a nephew of one of the main commentator on Top95 FM?


Croes' uncle Rufo Solognier, a retired police officer. (could he have owed a favor)

[Lala'sMom]

I asked this in the NAH thread...I am sure someone out there knows this answer.  We must determine if Steve was working that entire weekend or not.  I am thinking he did indeed work since it would have been a weekend that would be busy and need their party boat DJ for entertainment.  The hours of operation are important in determining if he could have been one of those guys that was chatting up the girls. Of course, this is my line of thinking and may be flawed when viewed in the grand scheme of things.


What are the hours of operation of the party boat the Tattoo that Steve Croes worked on?

[2NJSons_Mom]

http://www.arubaadventures.com/tattoo/index.html

The link above is what the schedule is now.  I have a vague recollection of the schedule being discussed early on, but do not have anything saved to help you, Lala's.  I thought I recalled Tatoo didn't go out on Sundays, but that may not be fact.

[MumInOhio]

Here is a little of what I have from the last time around on Steve. I will have to open all the links to see what else I have. And I have 'stuff' that is not organized!

From Sunfreak's Who's Who

Seferino “Steve”  Gregory Croes – age 26, DJ on party boat the Tatoo, who gave false testimony regarding the Holiday Inn Drop Off alibi.  Arrested 6-17-05, released 6-27-06.  He was fired from the Tatoo upon his release, and was hired by Carlos n Charlies in August 2005.  Reportedly he is back working at the Tatoo.


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/17/ng.01.html

Steve Croes is a D.J. on the tattoo party boat. That`s 150-foot three-deck catamaran that sails just off the west coast of Aruba with partygoers on board, usually in the evenings. And he is the D.J. on that ship. But his boss, Marcus Williams (sic), has also told us that he is an experienced seaman, as well, Nancy.

PENHAUL: Exactly that cruise ship, called the tattoo party boat, like I say, a 110-foot catamaran, that usually leaves the pier in front of the Aruba Grand Hotel. That`s about 300 yards down the beach from the Holiday Inn where Natalee Holloway was staying. That boat leaves most evenings at around 8 o`clock in the evening, gets back about 12 o`clock.

The staff, the crew of the boat, are usually leaving the pier and going home around 1 o`clock. But according to the owner, that boat generally doesn`t go out on a Sunday night, unless, of course, there`s a special party booked. You`ll remember that Natalee Holloway went missing late Sunday night, very early Monday morning -- Nancy?

GRACE: Karl, do we know if there was a special party booked that Sunday night that she went missing?

PENHAUL: We don`t have that answer yet. We are looking into that to see what the boat`s movements were. We do know from the owner, Marcus Williams (sic), that Steve Croes did have a key to the boat. But the owner also tells us that the boat has a special electronic security system on it and he doesn`t believe that Steve Croes would have been able to take the boat without his permission. And he has described Steve Croes as a model employee, Nancy

[Buckeye]

Not about Steve.

Interesting yearbook collection of Natalee look-a-likes.  Don't think I really buy into the victim switch, but there are several to choose from.

http://www.hollowaycase.com/photos/similargirls.htm

[MumInOhio]

This is all I can put my hands on right now, busy, busy bee and my day just got busier!...LOL

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/17/ng.01.html

PENHAUL: Well, we don`t know for sure that it was, in fact, electronic surveillance. That is one theory that is being put out, because police themselves are being tight-lipped.

The police commissioner, Van Der Straaten, did tell me that the name came up during interrogation in part of the investigation. When I got back to him and asked him about the possibility of electronic surveillance, we wouldn`t go further into this. Of course, we do know that the investigators and police are playing cards very close to their chest in order not to prejudice their investigation at this stage, Nancy.

PENHAUL: He`s a 26-year-old, originally born on Curacao, but he has lived on Aruba for many years now. He`s a recent divorcee. He`s the father of a 2-year-old son. He was living in the town of Santa Cruz. That`s a town in the center of the island near the national park. He was living at that house with his grandfather and his grandmother, living next door to his uncle. His uncle is a retired police chief inspector, Nancy.

PENHAUL: Police and prosecutors haven`t told us of any connection. But talking to Steven Croes` boss, Marcus Williams, he says that he believes that he knew one of the Kalpoe brothers through the Internet Cafe. Now, we know that Deepak, the eldest of the Kalpoe brothers, the 21-year- old, worked at the Cyberzone Internet Cafe. And it seems as it`s there where he knew Steve Croes, Nancy.

MARCUS HIGGINS, FOURTH SUSPECT`S EMPLOYER: He had told me that he had a friendship with one of the -- a superficial friendship, in the sense that I believe they went to the same Internet caf' and that he did know one of the suspects. And that was all that he had ever told me about his association with this disappearance

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/17/missing.teen/index.html

Croes' boss on the Tattoo cruise ship, Marcus Williams, told CNN the boat generally does not go out on Sunday nights.
Even when the boat does go out on Sundays, it returns by midnight, Williams said.
Police commissioner Jan Van Der Straten said Croes' arrest came after he was named by one of the three suspects being held.
PENHAUL: We don`t have that answer yet. We are looking into that to see what the boat`s movements were. We do know from the owner, Marcus Williams (sic), that Steve Croes did have a key to the boat. But the owner also tells us that the boat has a special electronic security system on it and he doesn`t believe that Steve Croes would have been able to take the boat without his permission. And he has described Steve Croes as a model employee, Nancy.

 http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/17/ng.01.html

[Lala'sMom]

http://www.arubaadventures.com/tattoo/index.html

The link above is what the schedule is now.  I have a vague recollection of the schedule being discussed early on, but do not have anything saved to help you, Lala's.  I thought I recalled Tatoo didn't go out on Sundays, but that may not be fact.

Let's work from that point then.  If the schedule is the same (knowing what I know now, I am guessing the hours have been modified somewhat since 2005) then they were partying on Fridays until midnight...which does not allow for Steve Croes to be available to be with a "bunch of guys" in the casino BEFORE they all went to CnC...so I would say that knowing they also party on Saturday in Aruba and that Saturday night would be the best time to take a dinner cruise and dance...then Steve would be working that night also.  So I am leaving him out of the equation as one of the "guys" that McKinney was referring to.  I am still going with Joran, Freddy, GVC, Koen, Sander, Jaime...etc.  as being the ones in the casino.  Knowing there are statements to the effect that Joran was indeed in the casino the day or so before (fights, etc.) then we can assume that Steve Croes was not there.

This does not necessarily eliminate him as the 5th suspect but does narrow things down as to being the "boyfriend" since he was most likely working on Friday and Saturday when Simian says that Natalee met a "cool and crazy" guy.  I know a  number of people want to make anyone fit...but I want it to fit perfectly before I concede it is who it is...get my drift? 

[vms]

09-11-2005, 06:03 PM 
soleil 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: The Netherlands

 
Steve Croes the dj telling his story

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Just got an aruban magazine "exclusivo" with Steve Croes giving his story about what happend. I wanted to share with you all, it was in the local language and i translated it as is:


Steve Croes
For curiosity i got myself locked up and after that without a job.

It was a name that travelled around the world as one of the suspects behind the Natalee Holloway case. For 10 days Steve Croes was locked up at the polisstation in Playa, sleeping on a concrete bed, thinking about how God can help him for somebody to believe that he didn't know anything about the Holloway case.

About 6 years ago Steve Croes came to Aruba to live. In Curacao he was a dj at a night club and it was till 3 years ago he got the job he wanted. I always said that my job as a discjocky on the boat Tattoo was unique, because they paid me to do what i liked and to "have fun". His taste for music is nothing strange considering that his mother is a singer and his father has a band and also was a dj in his younger years.

Steve's envolvement in the Holloway case started when he visited an internet cafe at Playa. There was where he heard Deepak talking on the phone with another person making comments about how they dropped of the american teenager at a hotel and she fell. The girl didn't want any help but they helped her to get up. Deepak also said that even that he knows his phone is tapped he doesn't worry because he knows he is telling the truth.
What Steve just heard made him curious and decided to go to Deepak and decided to lie to him saying that he was in the neighborhood of the hotel and that he saw them dropping of the girl. I told Deepak this just to see what else he might say to me but when Deepak realized what i said he told me that i could be a witness for him and his friends then. I backed out but obviously they used my lie to protect themselves to the polis what resulted in my arrest for 10 long days. Steve was asleep when hard knocking outside waked him up. Several polis were outside and they informed him that he is arrested in connection with the Holloway case.

10 days of reflection on a lie that did cost a lot
The 10 days that Steve stayed locked up at the polis station were everything but not nice. The bed of concrete, solitaire, mosquito's and the darkness where my biggest problems to deal with. I prayed everyday asking God to please let somebody believe me that i had nothing to do with this case and to let me go. There were moments that i lost faith of being released. Finally when i got my liberty it was a moment of joy and sadness at the same time as my lawyer informed me that the lawyer of my ex-boss had informed him that they wanted to end my contract. I had given the boat Tattoo a bad name and i am not the appropiate face to keep working for them. As i am not a problematic person i accepted their decision and took a 1 month salary and my vacation days they had offered me.
Today Steve is happier. He just got a job at Carlos & Charlies, as a discjockey again, the job the he loves. What he learned: Curiosity kills the cat!

mail@exclusivoaruba.com
 
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