SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2

[Blonde]

Caps...There is a Karen Martina in the Dr. Phil documents listed as a friend of Freddy and Joran.  She was interviewed twice by Jacobs.

Now for Karen,

In my Database I have all the Martina but no Karen....Hmmmm

Do you have some info on this Karen.. DOB or age.

The only thing I think is that Kock Martina Sandra could have a use a false name or she must have another initials.

No Karen Martina in DATABASE.

Need to be checked out...

it now 7:15 , time for some kellogs honey weed & milk with omega-3 lol

Those allegations were offered in an affidavit from a previous Twitty attorney, C. Helen Lejuez. The Tacopina response claims to have identified the Jane Doe as one, Karen Martina, who filed an affidavit under her own name claiming she never told Lejuez such things, nor did she prefer to travel to New York to testify on Joran's behalf.

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/natalee_holloway/index.html

[MumInOhio]

Caps...There is a Karen Martina in the Dr. Phil documents listed as a friend of Freddy and Joran.  She was interviewed twice by Jacobs.

Now for Karen,

In my Database I have all the Martina but no Karen....Hmmmm

Do you have some info on this Karen.. DOB or age.

The only thing I think is that Kock Martina Sandra could have a use a false name or she must have another initials.

No Karen Martina in DATABASE.

Need to be checked out...

it now 7:15 , time for some kellogs honey weed & milk with omega-3 lol

Those allegations were offered in an affidavit from a previous Twitty attorney, C. Helen Lejuez. The Tacopina response claims to have identified the Jane Doe as one, Karen Martina, who filed an affidavit under her own name claiming she never told Lejuez such things, nor did she prefer to travel to New York to testify on Joran's behalf.

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/natalee_holloway/index.html

Thanks Blonde...I recalled something about that and was going to look for it!

[klaasend]

O/T

Mum - CBB had your original.  Need my help putting it on?



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[MumInOhio]

Hi all,

There was a freddy that was arrested in 2004 for making/ preparing the porn movie of a Teen Girl, He was in KIA for something else, I do think he supose to get a work with selimar and his father worked for Blue Team. His father is a High Ranking Official in the blue Team. I do remeber that he was in for leaving the stove on and trying  to burn the Girlreinds house. The Judge at that time, knowing his father give him house arrest but he break the house arrest and went out to party. The Girlfriend call the cops becuase he was out with other girls in Bahia and C&C. He was wearing a wig that night but the girlfriend did recognise him and call the cops.

He was sent to KIA and then let go.

will check, He was a friend of David Lung and Dominquez Reyes and Fred they were the friend of that Baseball Pitcher Ponson who slap a Judge in Aruba on the beach.

All these are beach bums with only thing in their head is to score.

DL, DR and FRED are heavely in XTC and trafficing.
 

correct the last name of Dominquez.

Caps...what is the Blue Team?...Is it some sort of elite squad, paramilitary type?

There were posts when Steve Croes was arrested at Rhiel World that his Dad was part of some squad. This was during the confusion of exactly who was picked up on the 16th. and the 17th. of June and Croes initials then surfaced.

TIA

[MumInOhio]

From Caps:

will check, He was a friend of David Lung and Dominquez Rodriquez and Fred they were the friend of that Baseball Pitcher Ponson who slap a Judge in Aruba on the beach.

All these are beach bums with only thing in their head is to score.

DL, DR and FRED are heavely in XTC and trafficing.
 


Caps....Rodriguez...keeps popping up. It has been posted that Freddy' mom has been married a couple of times and he has step brothers and sisters with different names. One being Sasha R.

Freddy's mom name...there is another from ISA - questioned three times.

LILIAN REGINA ARAMBATZIS-RODRIGUEZ ALBERT

[MumInOhio]

yes, the long list would be the pimps/playahs
who were in the casino(s) that week ...

short list would be those (if any) who were not 

Finn...please help me here...Simian said that she met another guy in the same casino, which I am taking she as she met the boyfriend from earlier in the week at the same place. If we can put Freddy, Lorenzo, GVC or Steve in that casino, doesn't that help in making them fit all the criteria for the 5th suspect?   TIA

Caps...I got behind this morning and am playing catchup...just saw the Reyes...still looking at Rodriguez though!

[MumInOhio]

Finngirl….Posted by Buckeye originally IIRC…Notice that Jossy thinks on 8/26 that Freddy is being held for a false alibi….

Mansur says this guy was held in the beginning of the investigation and obviously the media was not made aware of this. Jossy says he is probably being held because of a false alibi for Joran van der Sloot he initially gave police.

Page 152
[Chapter] 11 Breakthrough Due to Best Friend Freddy

The police even interrogates all my friends and acquaintances. On June 12 2005 they interrogate my best friend, Freddy Zedan.

Posted by Ade69 (a new poster at RU, and could be Joran for all I know, regarding the explanation in Joran's book about Freddy's statements:

The translation is alright, it is probably the source for the "going in and out of conscious"-myth.

Here are the two last paragraphs of chapter 11 with Joran's explanation:

Freddy has been put under enormous pressure by the police, he was even arrested. He was terrified and as a Venezuelan in Aruba very vulnerable due to fear of deportation. He became a string puppet for the police and he did everything to prevent being arrested again.

chapter 11 deals w/ june 2005 events involving Freddy

the Freddy/K2 arrest was in august 2005

"he was even arrested" ... "to prevent being arrested again"
refers to june, yes?

I say, YES!

[Pita]

Caps...There is a Karen Martina in the Dr. Phil documents listed as a friend of Freddy and Joran.  She was interviewed twice by Jacobs.

Now for Karen,

In my Database I have all the Martina but no Karen....Hmmmm

Do you have some info on this Karen.. DOB or age.

The only thing I think is that Kock Martina Sandra could have a use a false name or she must have another initials.

No Karen Martina in DATABASE.

Need to be checked out...

it now 7:15 , time for some kellogs honey weed & milk with omega-3 lol

Karin Martina  Age 19   Birthday  October 5



http://www.hi5.com/friend/687673--Karen--Profile-html

[MumInOhio]

Caps...there is a lot in this PV about Karen...probably more than you want to know...

Joran...6/24...This was the day he refused to make a statement and came back with all the Karen stuff. I will fetch her info on when she talked to Jacobs.

http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/police_documents/joran624.htm

[MumInOhio]

Thanks Pita...I am still looking at her site.

Caps



Name: Karen Martina
Date: 23 June 2005113:55
Pages: 6
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs / Juan Boezem
Description: witness statement by a friend of Van der Sloot and Arrambatzis

Name: Karen Martina
Date: 24 June 2005 / 13:50
Pages: 5
Writer/Initiator. Dennis Jacobs / Marcelino Ras
Description: witness statement

[COLOMBO]

yes, the long list would be the pimps/playahs
who were in the casino(s) that week ...

short list would be those (if any) who were not 

Finn...please help me here...Simian said that she met another guy in the same casino, which I am taking she as she met the boyfriend from earlier in the week at the same place. If we can put Freddy, Lorenzo, GVC or Steve in that casino, doesn't that help in making them fit all the criteria for the 5th suspect?   TIA

Caps...I got behind this morning and am playing catchup...just saw the Reyes...still looking at Rodriguez though!

Find DirtyHand
He too walked in this house of babylon
but not to satiate desire

[CapsLockWizard]

Lala's...NO Judge Williams on Kermit's list of Judges that I can see! Did I miss it?

« Reply #3049 on: March 03, 2008, 11:47:30 PM » 

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From Kermit's post in the other thread:

"The justices on the Aruban bench:

mw. mr. E. Angela august 1st 2000
mw. mr. P. de Bruin august 1st 2000
mr. J.S. Kuiperdal
mr. P.A.H. Lemaire august 1st 2002
mr. C. Slothouber august 1st 2001
## mr. F.J.F. Gerard march 1st 2005
## mr. H.E. de Boer august 1st 2005
## mr. J.A. van Voorthuizen august 1st 2005



The justices on the Curacao bench

mw. mr. M.K. Asscheman-Versluis (since august 1st 1999)
mr. J. de Boer august 1st 1998
@ mr. R.A. Th. M. Dekkers after 2004 because at that time he was judge in The Hague
mr. W. Foppen (since august 1st 1999)
mr. L. van Gijn august 1st 2000
@ mr. L. Groefsema after 2004 because mr. L. Groefsema was a judge in Assen in 2004
@ mw. mr. L.C. Hoefdraad after 2004 because mw. mr. L.C. Hoefdraad at that time was a judge in the Hague
@ mr. S.M. Lieshout after 2004 because mr. S.M. Lieshout was a judge in Utrecht
mr. B.M. Mezas

@ mr. R.F.B. van Zutphen after 2004 because mr. R.F.B. van Zutphen was a judge in Amsterdam
mr. M.W. Zandbergen since may 1st 2000
@ mr. J.Th. Wit after 2004 because in 2004 he was DA in Dordrecht
mr. P. Wagemakers august 1st 2000
@ mr. R.W.J. van Veen after 2004 because in 2004 he was still a judge in Breda
mw. mr. M.M.M. Tillema september 1st 2000
@ mr. J.R. Sijmonsma after 2004
mw. mr. E.A. Saleh since august 1st 1999
mr. G.E.M. Polkamp november 1st 2000
@ mw. mr. M.H.H.A. Moes 2004 or later because in 2004 she was a judge in Almelo
mr. M.L.A. Angela since march 1st 2000
mr. A.N.G.N.E. Mijnssen since 1996, from november 2000 onwards part-time judge
mr. F.P. Wiel re-appointed for 3 more years on august 1st 1999
@ mr. H.A.C. Smid (since march 1st 2005)
## mr. J.M.P. Drijkoningen (since august 1st 2005)
## mw. mr. A.M.P. Geelhoed (since august 1st 2005)
## mr. K.J. Haarhuis (since august 1st 2005)
## mw. mr. L. de Kerpel-van de Poel (since august 1st 2005)
## mw. mr. A.S. Gratama (since august 1st 2005)
## mr. H.L. Wattel (since september 1st 2005)
Mr. P. W. van Schendel re-appointed for 3 more years on august 1st 2005

## mr. E.M. van der Bunt february 1st 2005
## mr. dr. J.P. de Haan february 1st 2005
@ mr. J.H. Bosch august 1st 2004
@ mr. E.P. van Unen august 1st 2004
@ mr. drs. G.C.C. Lewin august 1st 2004
@ mr W.J. Noordhuizen august 1st 2004
@ mr J.Th. Drop september 1st 2004

From the 45 justices working for the Court of Aruba and the Antilles:

11 started working there after Paul van der Sloot became a suspect
15 started working there much later than Paul van der Sloot

Only 19 might be friends of Paul van der Sloot and of them 14 were Curacao justices."

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46 sacrifices.

The judges serve three year contracts. Three years from 2005 would be now. A new(?) group of judges rotated in(unless they may serve more than once).

The 47th would break the cycle of conspiracy.

The conspiracy will then fall.

Judges....

The crooks, on Aruba or even in the United States, cannot flourish without corrupt lawyers and judges.

Look at all those businesses that people own there. They are washing machines.

Maybe PVDS is a lawyer for the dark side.

While I do not think drug trafficking is the answer that we seek, it is a piece of the puzzle. There are many pieces. All important.

We must shine a light on those that rule the night.

Why do the cowboys turn their heads? Me thinks the ABC's get their clothes washed there too. Easier than on the Hill.


Fin

I think from the list above we forgot one of those S.O.B's Mr. F.A.P.M van Duetekom.

Check what info you have on this man... good friend of Paules.. He is a Prosecuter. But he is not on the list.

CAPS

[MumInOhio]

Caps...Looks like some sort of meeting on Human rights...is this him?

Joan Theodora-Brewster, head of the Prevention, Juvenile Protection and Judicial Facilities Section, and Deputy Director of the Justice Directorate, Netherlands Antilles
Gilbert Benita, Assistant Director of Housing at Curaçao Prison in the Netherlands Antilles
Frans van Deutekom, public prosecutor in Aruba
Angelique Peterson, head of the Legal Affairs and Treaties Division, Foreign Relations Department in Aruba.

http://www.minbuza.nl/en/news/speeches_and_articles,2007/05/Introductory-Statement.html

[MumInOhio]

JE...Would you please have a look at this link and see if there is anything interesting on the friend that Caps just posted about. It will take me a week of Sundays to translate and read. Thanks in advance.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Frans+van+Deutekom

[MumInOhio]

yes, the long list would be the pimps/playahs
who were in the casino(s) that week ...

short list would be those (if any) who were not 

Finn...please help me here...Simian said that she met another guy in the same casino, which I am taking she as she met the boyfriend from earlier in the week at the same place. If we can put Freddy, Lorenzo, GVC or Steve in that casino, doesn't that help in making them fit all the criteria for the 5th suspect?   TIA

Caps...I got behind this morning and am playing catchup...just saw the Reyes...still looking at Rodriguez though!

Find DirtyHand
He too walked in this house of babylon
but not to satiate desire

I didn't include Paulus in the list as I just posted that he was seen in the casino two days before...and we know he frequents the place...LOL

Not sure what Finn is trying to tell me on the short list....still...

[COLOMBO]

who on your list was one or two cards that were played?

re: the "boyfriend" from earlier in the week......

has anyone pondered that maybe ol' PVDS didn't get caught earlier in the week? that maybe Sim was pointing to the evidence in as tactful a way as possible.....I mean, if NH were to be with anybody voluntarily, would any type of intoxicant be necessary?

the charges (PVDS):  suspicion of complicity to pre-meditated murder, complicity to kidnapping and murder and kidnapping

the hidden card (not hidden suspect) was played by PVDS....if he could break the alibi, was he w/ JVDS or PVDS

[vms]

Caps...Looks like some sort of meeting on Human rights...is this him?

Joan Theodora-Brewster, head of the Prevention, Juvenile Protection and Judicial Facilities Section, and Deputy Director of the Justice Directorate, Netherlands Antilles
Gilbert Benita, Assistant Director of Housing at Curaçao Prison in the Netherlands Antilles
Frans van Deutekom, public prosecutor in Aruba
Angelique Peterson, head of the Legal Affairs and Treaties Division, Foreign Relations Department in Aruba.

http://www.minbuza.nl/en/news/speeches_and_articles,2007/05/Introductory-Statement.html

Report to the authorities of the Kingdom of the Netherlands on the visits carried out to the Kingdom in Europe, Aruba, and the Netherlands Antilles by the European Committee for the Prevention of Torture and Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment (CPT) in June 2007

This report was made public by the Netherlands Government on 30 January 2008.
Strasbourg, 5 February 2008

<snipped>

LIST OF THE AUTHORITIES AND OTHER PERSONS
WITH WHOM THE CPT’S DELEGATION HELD CONSULTATIONS
 

A.        Aruban authorities

 

 

-           Mr H.R. (Rudy) CROES     Minister of Justice

-           Mr Rolando BERNADINA     Adviser, Minister of Justice

-           Mr Peter de WITTE     Chief of Police

-           Mr Lambertus KROZENDIJK     Police Commissioner

-           Ms Jeannette RICHARDSON-BAARS     Police Inspector

-           Ms Golda CANDELARIA     Police Inspector, Head of the Internal Investigation Bureau

-           Mr Emilio GEERMAN     Interim Director, Aruba Correctional Institute

-           Mr Laurence PASKEL     Director of Government Security (Cuerpo Especial Arubano)

-           Mr Roy LACLÉ     Acting Head of Section, Border Guard Authority (Warda Nos Costa (IASA))

-           Ms Angélique PETERSON     Adviser, Department of Foreign Affairs, CPT liaison officer

-           Mr Ezzard CILIÉ     Head of the PAAZ (Psychiatric ward of the General Hospital)

-           Mr Hendrikus van GALEN     Psychiatrist

-           Mr Nico JÖRG     Solicitor General

-           Mr Hans MOS     Chief Public Prosecutor

-           Mr Frans van DEUTEKOM     Public Prosecutor

-           Mr Marcel MADURO     Director of the Public Service Investigation Agency (Landsrecherche)

-           Mr Ferdinand GERARD    Judge, Chairman of the Prison Supervisory Board

 

 

B.        Persons active in the CPT’s fields of interest

 

-           Mr Chris LEJUEZ     Lawyer

-           Ms Eline LOTTER-HOMAN     Lawyer

-           Mr Rudi OOMEN     Lawyer

http://www.cpt.coe.int/documents/nld/2008-02-inf-eng.htm

[MumInOhio]

who on your list was one or two cards that were played?  Lorenzo and Steve Croes

re: the "boyfriend" from earlier in the week......

has anyone pondered that maybe ol' PVDS didn't get caught earlier in the week? that maybe Sim was pointing to the evidence in as tactful a way as possible.....I mean, if NH were to be with anybody voluntarily, would any type of intoxicant be necessary?

the charges (PVDS):  suspicion of complicity to pre-meditated murder, complicity to kidnapping and murder and kidnapping

the hidden card (not hidden suspect) was played by PVDS....if he could break the alibi, was he w/ JVDS or PVDS...but who said the alibi played for the Sloots?

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My answers in blue...

Lala's keeps saying this is not difficult...I can't get past pre-school!

[MumInOhio]

Lots of familiar names on that list, vms. Thanks

I even asked for only English, and still ended up with them all in Dutch!

[CapsLockWizard]

Now here is my way of thinking or seeing this.

Prosecuter Duetekom is not on list list,

Maybe The singing man song is not on the list,

Duetekom good friend with Paules and King. they are the one that deal with the issue of Alex Mathew in KIA.

On the night in question, maybe the siging mausic man saw Deutekom, but could not point him out from the list.

The singing man song was not on the list.

CAPS.