SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2

[Destiny]

I was thinking about those Aru Bay videos last night.  I wonder if Shango or Simian knew about them?  I was trying to find a connection in the riddles to them...so many people think they were a message.  I am not sure anymore...never could see anything in them, but you know with the way things operate on Aruba it may have been the only way to get the message out there and still be safe.  I know Rob and Carpe have really worked hard on those...do you think maybe there is a reference to them in any of the Shango riddles that we have overlooked?

It is so long since I watched them, except the one yesterday and one this morning.  The first one was weird, I thought of kids 'raves'. The music...ugh!!! It made everyone stoned!

How come we have all these DJ's and now everyone plays in a band as well, even Freddy!

Where do all these bands play?

LOL... back to the vids...the two from yesterday seem a little weird to be made to 'sell' Aruba! Not like they could show them during 60 minutes as advertisement, so what were they made for?

That 'Tattoo' must have been one busy party boat that weekend!

Watching the Tattoo videos again made me think of the excursions we've taken on various islands, including a recent one in the Dominican Republic.  A video is always taken and sold following.  Other gimmicks are taking a photo and putting it on a bottle of rum for purchase when you return to the dock where vendors swarm you like hawks to buy their items.  Were the videos part of a late March, early April '05 night on the Tattoo?  Why was this particular video (s) uploaded to Arubay?  I guess I'm asking the same question as you, and wondering who of those filmed would buy it, let alone want it posted for the world to see? 

May be that is how they sell them, everyone coming of the boat blasted! The tourists wouldn't touch them if they were sober...LOL

These vids were not for tourists...they were very well spliced...and the music added during production...they really bother me...I still *feel* that they are only *part* of another vid...JMO

[bleachedblack]

I remember reading this back in 2005, so the interest in the raquet club has always been there. I am just not sure how much to make of it.......


>>>>SNIP

After learning of the story about the pond near the Aruba Racquet Club and how law enforcement and the fire department kept Equusearch from the area the more important it became.

Unable to find the handy dandy map I was using, I was forced to do a search and found a very interesting listing that caught my attention. I try very hard to ignore the multitude of real estate listings that invariably come up wheneve I search for a map but this one screamed out at me for some reason. It looked familiar. It appears to be the Van der Sloot home, I am pretty sure about that. So I clicked the See owner's other properties and then found this. When you look at this photo of the home you will see that the side of the house faces the racquetball court, as I have drawn it on the map. You can click on the map to enlarge it. This will give you a better perspective of the areas discussed by the emerging witnesses and this house that appear to belong to the Van der Sloot family or possibly a corporation that Mr. Van der Sloot is involved with. This begs the question, did Joran have access to that house

http://tinyurl.com/3nnxfw

[Kermit]

Mum,

Here is some of the things you were asking about:
Jario Dirkson lives in the same area as Steve Croes.
There was allegedly a 6:30 AM phone call to or from that area if I recall.




6/29/05 -  MARIAINE CROES was replaced by JANSSEN as the lead prosecutor in the case. Janssen reported that polis have started to talk with Joran's classmates.

6/30/05 - Janssen tells MSNBC "no body no case" http://www.allheadlinenews.com/cgi-bin/news/newsbrief.plx?id=2240305518&fa=1

7/1/05 - Janssen states: "Also acknowledged that prosecutors have no solid evidence that Holloway is dead. They have said a murder conviction is possible without a body, but the case requires strong evidence such as a confession, reliable statements and forensic evidence."
Dutch government is sending F-16 jets
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8551822

7/22/05 - Karin Janssen left for Holland on vacation She alledgedly/reported to have taken the DNA samples that the Judge threw out. Makes no sense.

Paulus cleaned out his desk right after Karin Janseen left for Holland on vacation

THEN:
22. July 29, 2005 - DOCUMENTS ARE MISSING FROM THE FILE
Re: the DNA ( Susan Candilotti) 7/29/2005
Susan - yes all thrown out, could be granted new testing. For Satish, no sufficient grounds to take the sample. If grounds in the future, can ask to take them again. For Joran, Judge said there are sufficient grounds, but documents are missing from the file & those files must be added before Pros. can file another motion

[Destiny]

Hi BB...What do we know about the Ponson family? Anything? I looked a little while back checking on the Racquet Club?

I wonder what stage of reconstruction they were in around that time!

Way too much activity in the following days and then there is Jorge and whatever he wanted returned! Why would they need to interview three people from the club?

Mum...he probably wanted his damn size 14 K-Swiss tennis shoes back....LOL

[Kermit]

LaLa,

THINKING ABOUT THAT CATIRI APARTMENT:


MARTINA, Karen Theresa Paulina   – Allegedly was in porn video taped by Freddy.  Joran admits to having sex with her multiple times.  Was named by JQK as a date rape victim of Joran, but Tacopina claims she has said it was consensual


"I took the camera to Freddy’s house.
We delivered the camera to Freddy, and afterwards all four of us ate Chinese in the area of Freddy’s house. Freddy also lives in Montanja." (Satish Kalpoe Suspect Statement June 24, 2005.)

Name: Karen Martina
Date: 23 June 2005113:55
Pages: 6
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs / Juan Boezem
Description: witness statement by a friend of Van der Sloot and Arrambatzis

[MumInOhio]

I was thinking about those Aru Bay videos last night.  I wonder if Shango or Simian knew about them?  I was trying to find a connection in the riddles to them...so many people think they were a message.  I am not sure anymore...never could see anything in them, but you know with the way things operate on Aruba it may have been the only way to get the message out there and still be safe.  I know Rob and Carpe have really worked hard on those...do you think maybe there is a reference to them in any of the Shango riddles that we have overlooked?

It is so long since I watched them, except the one yesterday and one this morning.  The first one was weird, I thought of kids 'raves'. The music...ugh!!! It made everyone stoned!

How come we have all these DJ's and now everyone plays in a band as well, even Freddy!

Where do all these bands play?

LOL... back to the vids...the two from yesterday seem a little weird to be made to 'sell' Aruba! Not like they could show them during 60 minutes as advertisement, so what were they made for?

That 'Tattoo' must have been one busy party boat that weekend!

Watching the Tattoo videos again made me think of the excursions we've taken on various islands, including a recent one in the Dominican Republic.  A video is always taken and sold following.  Other gimmicks are taking a photo and putting it on a bottle of rum for purchase when you return to the dock where vendors swarm you like hawks to buy their items.  Were the videos part of a late March, early April '05 night on the Tattoo?  Why was this particular video (s) uploaded to Arubay?  I guess I'm asking the same question as you, and wondering who of those filmed would buy it, let alone want it posted for the world to see? 

May be that is how they sell them, everyone coming of the boat blasted! The tourists wouldn't touch them if they were sober...LOL

These vids were not for tourists...they were very well spliced...and the music added during production...they really bother me...I still *feel* that they are only *part* of another vid...JMO

The question I have is why if they were made before Natalee was there, just what were they made for. Those two from yesterday were not an advertisement to attract the tourists.  That first one was really weird!

[jackb]

Hi BB...What do we know about the Ponson family? Anything? I looked a little while back checking on the Racquet Club?

I wonder what stage of reconstruction they were in around that time!

Way too much activity in the following days and then there is Jorge and whatever he wanted returned! Why would they need to interview three people from the club?

Mum...he probably wanted his damn size 14 K-Swiss tennis shoes back....LOL

Even his shoes have a doppleganger. (would that be "doggle" ganger?  j/b

[Kermit]

On Wednesday June 1, 2005
When he picked me up we went straight to the racket club, near Marriot.
My brother told me we were going to Joran. He is an intern at the club. In front of the entrance of the club the 3 of us met and talked.

We did not speak long because the police was on its way to pick up Joran

My brother told me we had to go to Joran´s later on. After we finished our sister´s work we went to Joran. I drove the car to his house.

Joran´s parents were also in his appartment.

 after that Thursday, we met Joran more often to discuss the case of Natalee
(Satish Kalpoe Suspect Statement June 24, 2005)


I am not sure what Satish means by Joran is an intern at the Racquet Club.
Maybe he meant similar to kids who attend tennis camps where they are training as players for world class tournament play. I, personally, have never heard that term used before, but it also might be an interpretator's choice of wording.
Joran was NOT the big tennish champ that his mother claimed him to be. He played in mediocre tournament level along with doubles sometimes with Freddy. Guido also played tennis.

[MumInOhio]

I remember reading this back in 2005, so the interest in the raquet club has always been there. I am just not sure how much to make of it.......


>>>>SNIP

After learning of the story about the pond near the Aruba Racquet Club and how law enforcement and the fire department kept Equusearch from the area the more important it became.

Unable to find the handy dandy map I was using, I was forced to do a search and found a very interesting listing that caught my attention. I try very hard to ignore the multitude of real estate listings that invariably come up wheneve I search for a map but this one screamed out at me for some reason. It looked familiar. It appears to be the Van der Sloot home, I am pretty sure about that. So I clicked the See owner's other properties and then found this. When you look at this photo of the home you will see that the side of the house faces the racquetball court, as I have drawn it on the map. You can click on the map to enlarge it. This will give you a better perspective of the areas discussed by the emerging witnesses and this house that appear to belong to the Van der Sloot family or possibly a corporation that Mr. Van der Sloot is involved with. This begs the question, did Joran have access to that house

http://tinyurl.com/3nnxfw

BB…I remember the discussions on them having a different place. Even ones about Joran and Koen having their own apartments. I bet some-one had a key to the Racquet Club.

Destiny…size 14s…GVC…LOL

[Destiny]

I was thinking about those Aru Bay videos last night.  I wonder if Shango or Simian knew about them?  I was trying to find a connection in the riddles to them...so many people think they were a message.  I am not sure anymore...never could see anything in them, but you know with the way things operate on Aruba it may have been the only way to get the message out there and still be safe.  I know Rob and Carpe have really worked hard on those...do you think maybe there is a reference to them in any of the Shango riddles that we have overlooked?

It is so long since I watched them, except the one yesterday and one this morning.  The first one was weird, I thought of kids 'raves'. The music...ugh!!! It made everyone stoned!

How come we have all these DJ's and now everyone plays in a band as well, even Freddy!

Where do all these bands play?

LOL... back to the vids...the two from yesterday seem a little weird to be made to 'sell' Aruba! Not like they could show them during 60 minutes as advertisement, so what were they made for?

That 'Tattoo' must have been one busy party boat that weekend!

Watching the Tattoo videos again made me think of the excursions we've taken on various islands, including a recent one in the Dominican Republic.  A video is always taken and sold following.  Other gimmicks are taking a photo and putting it on a bottle of rum for purchase when you return to the dock where vendors swarm you like hawks to buy their items.  Were the videos part of a late March, early April '05 night on the Tattoo?  Why was this particular video (s) uploaded to Arubay?  I guess I'm asking the same question as you, and wondering who of those filmed would buy it, let alone want it posted for the world to see? 

May be that is how they sell them, everyone coming of the boat blasted! The tourists wouldn't touch them if they were sober...LOL

These vids were not for tourists...they were very well spliced...and the music added during production...they really bother me...I still *feel* that they are only *part* of another vid...JMO

The question I have is why if they were made before Natalee was there, just what were they made for. Those two from yesterday were not an advertisement to attract the tourists.  That first one was really weird!

I think it has to do with the *pick-a-date* to *rape* porn industry...

[Lala'sMom]

He certainly wanted something and whatever it was I want to know.  What would you take from a tennis player in relation to the Natalee Holloway case?  A tennis racket?  Clothes? Bag? Shoes? Maybe he did wear a size 14 and Joran borrowed them..that is why one of them was missing...who knows?  But what was it?  Inquiring minds want to know. Did he have a locker next to Joran's?  Did he have a shovel in his locker? Keys? Locks? Whatever they took I am betting it was for comparison to something else...anyone wanna bet against me?  Seems they probably returned whatever it was...so I say comparison.

[bleachedblack]

On Wednesday June 1, 2005
When he picked me up we went straight to the racket club, near Marriot.
My brother told me we were going to Joran. He is an intern at the club. In front of the entrance of the club the 3 of us met and talked.

We did not speak long because the police was on its way to pick up Joran

My brother told me we had to go to Joran´s later on. After we finished our sister´s work we went to Joran. I drove the car to his house.

Joran´s parents were also in his appartment.

 after that Thursday, we met Joran more often to discuss the case of Natalee
(Satish Kalpoe Suspect Statement June 24, 2005)


I am not sure what Satish means by Joran is an intern at the Racquet Club.
Maybe he meant similar to kids who attend tennis camps where they are training as players for world class tournament play. I, personally, have never heard that term used before, but it also might be an interpretator's choice of wording.
Joran was NOT the big tennish champ that his mother claimed him to be. He played in mediocre tournament level along with doubles sometimes with Freddy. Guido also played tennis.

My guess would be interning to become  pro?

http://www.tennisaruba.com/

[MumInOhio]

On Wednesday June 1, 2005
When he picked me up we went straight to the racket club, near Marriot.
My brother told me we were going to Joran. He is an intern at the club. In front of the entrance of the club the 3 of us met and talked.

We did not speak long because the police was on its way to pick up Joran

My brother told me we had to go to Joran´s later on. After we finished our sister´s work we went to Joran. I drove the car to his house.

Joran´s parents were also in his appartment.

 after that Thursday, we met Joran more often to discuss the case of Natalee
(Satish Kalpoe Suspect Statement June 24, 2005)


I am not sure what Satish means by Joran is an intern at the Racquet Club.
Maybe he meant similar to kids who attend tennis camps where they are training as players for world class tournament play. I, personally, have never heard that term used before, but it also might be an interpretator's choice of wording.
Joran was NOT the big tennish champ that his mother claimed him to be. He played in mediocre tournament level along with doubles sometimes with Freddy. Guido also played tennis.

Some-one lived by that Racquet Club or had access to those time-shares...IMO

[Lala'sMom]

I was thinking about those Aru Bay videos last night.  I wonder if Shango or Simian knew about them?  I was trying to find a connection in the riddles to them...so many people think they were a message.  I am not sure anymore...never could see anything in them, but you know with the way things operate on Aruba it may have been the only way to get the message out there and still be safe.  I know Rob and Carpe have really worked hard on those...do you think maybe there is a reference to them in any of the Shango riddles that we have overlooked?

It is so long since I watched them, except the one yesterday and one this morning.  The first one was weird, I thought of kids 'raves'. The music...ugh!!! It made everyone stoned!

How come we have all these DJ's and now everyone plays in a band as well, even Freddy!

Where do all these bands play?

LOL... back to the vids...the two from yesterday seem a little weird to be made to 'sell' Aruba! Not like they could show them during 60 minutes as advertisement, so what were they made for?

That 'Tattoo' must have been one busy party boat that weekend!

Watching the Tattoo videos again made me think of the excursions we've taken on various islands, including a recent one in the Dominican Republic.  A video is always taken and sold following.  Other gimmicks are taking a photo and putting it on a bottle of rum for purchase when you return to the dock where vendors swarm you like hawks to buy their items.  Were the videos part of a late March, early April '05 night on the Tattoo?  Why was this particular video (s) uploaded to Arubay?  I guess I'm asking the same question as you, and wondering who of those filmed would buy it, let alone want it posted for the world to see? 

May be that is how they sell them, everyone coming of the boat blasted! The tourists wouldn't touch them if they were sober...LOL

These vids were not for tourists...they were very well spliced...and the music added during production...they really bother me...I still *feel* that they are only *part* of another vid...JMO

The question I have is why if they were made before Natalee was there, just what were they made for. Those two from yesterday were not an advertisement to attract the tourists.  That first one was really weird!

I think it has to do with the *pick-a-date* to *rape* porn industry...

Mr. Pink Productions...Paul Brough...SNUBA...Paul Brough...Lorenzo....pornography...Freddy...Telearuba investigations into porn....race junkies..Brough...reporters....cameraman...videos...procurement....corruption....Steve...suicide...porn

[MumInOhio]

He certainly wanted something and whatever it was I want to know.  What would you take from a tennis player in relation to the Natalee Holloway case?  A tennis racket?  Clothes? Bag? Shoes? Maybe he did wear a size 14 and Joran borrowed them..that is why one of them was missing...who knows?  But what was it?  Inquiring minds want to know. Did he have a locker next to Joran's?  Did he have a shovel in his locker? Keys? Locks? Whatever they took I am betting it was for comparison to something else...anyone wanna bet against me?  Seems they probably returned whatever it was...so I say comparison.

You did notice the Rodriguez in the one that Caps checked for an address, in the Mother's name, didn't you...LOL

That is why I am not 100% sure we want the tennis Sanchez...

[Lala'sMom]

Intern?  WTH?  When did he have time to play tennis?  He spent all his time sleeping at school and gambling at night.  Only thing at the racquet club Joran did was get into trouble or use it as an excuse to go gamble.  I don't see him being active enough to play tennis.  How can you play tennis when you spent most of your time on the weekend chatting up girls at the hotels and lying your way into their lives?  Joran was all about partying...not tennis...I don't buy that one at all.  There are only so many hours in the day and he doesn't get more than any of the rest of us do. Maybe Anita was hoping he would make a tennis pro someday...lord knows he's turned out even better than she hoped. 

[bleachedblack]

I was just watching this video, and I wish someone would watch it also.....at about 36 seconds as the film pans left to right I would swear it is PVDS wiping his glasses and putting them on. Very quick...see what you think

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHjatwPyZR8

[Lala'sMom]

He certainly wanted something and whatever it was I want to know.  What would you take from a tennis player in relation to the Natalee Holloway case?  A tennis racket?  Clothes? Bag? Shoes? Maybe he did wear a size 14 and Joran borrowed them..that is why one of them was missing...who knows?  But what was it?  Inquiring minds want to know. Did he have a locker next to Joran's?  Did he have a shovel in his locker? Keys? Locks? Whatever they took I am betting it was for comparison to something else...anyone wanna bet against me?  Seems they probably returned whatever it was...so I say comparison.

You did notice the Rodriguez in the one that Caps checked for an address, in the Mother's name, didn't you...LOL

That is why I am not 100% sure we want the tennis Sanchez...

Yep..I noticed.

[Blonde]

Hey!!!!  I want to know about Reuben Trappenburg...Why was a government spokesperson on Freddy and Deepak's Tickle sites?

And what sort of government has a fella that works for a radio station as their spokesman???

I think Satish uploaded all his friends on 6/8/2005...part of the plan!

A very interesting and informative video clip of an interchange between Bill O’Reilly, Jossy Mansur, and Reuben Trappenburg on last nights O’Reilly Factor. The discussion was based around Jossy finding out about 3 women who have supposedly been targeted by Joran Van Der Sloot as objects of his affection, perhaps against their will.

Reuben has a very hard time determining if the police know about this, and is befuddled how to answer it. Bill O’Reilly pokes some fun at the Aruban Government Spokesman. “Maybe he should be in charge of the investigation?” referring to Jossy.


http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/08/24/reuben-trappenberg-jossy-mansur-orielly-wants-to-know-who-knows-more/

[Lala'sMom]

I was just watching this video, and I wish someone would watch it also.....at about 36 seconds as the film pans left to right I would swear it is PVDS wiping his glasses and putting them on. Very quick...see what you think

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHjatwPyZR8

Looks like Anita there too and little Sebastian maybe. LOL  Good catch! Look at the top of his head...that hairline is a dead giveaway.