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« Reply #1900 on: April 14, 2008, 12:30:38 AM »

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Capslock - did you see this today?  Could you translate it?  Looks like they found a burned body near the Tunnel of Love.

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/4504/8/



A body was found near Tunnel of Love.

We have indication that a couple of hours ago ALE has found a dead body, probably burned in the vicinity of Tunnel of Love. The road to that area was closed off completely. We are in search of information and details of this news. These are the first picture of the area of the incident.

On the News tonight, The reported said that a body was found completely burned and when the authorities arrived, the body was still smoldering and still in smoke. The body was completely burned beyond recognition. They can not determined yet if is was a man or a Women.


More to be revealed in the Morning papers.


Thanks Capslock - so I guess we can rule out suicide?

Looks like this article may have something to do with the same thing.  Are they looking for a specific suspect?

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/4505/5/#jc_allComments

No they are not related,

The burned case was around 5:00 pm

The patien that escape from the Mental Institute PAZZ escape at 7:00 pm

This weekend more accidents and cars turned over..

Aruba is in Hell....
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« Reply #1901 on: April 14, 2008, 12:36:30 AM »

Capslock - I'm sorry your island is going through all these problems, I really am. 
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« Reply #1902 on: April 14, 2008, 12:36:37 AM »

For Caps, RE: Dompig

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005/12/police-union-president-confirms-that.html
12.13.2005
Police Union president confirms that
Holloway case investigation has officially stopped
Until the government explains what exactly the role of the new prosecutor will be
DIARIO Aruba
12/13/2005

ORANJESTAD (AAN): Monday, the police union (SPA) held a press conference to clear up certain matters that are still pending with the police force. According to SPA president Eric Zaandam, there are some things that are going in a troublesome route and because of this he felt it would be good to hold a press conference.

According to Zaandam, he noted that letters that were sent to the police force, to indicate that certain persons cannot speak with the press anymore, etc. Also, in the Public Prosecutor’s Office, certain people cannot speak to the press, which makes everything fall upon the police force, on its employees.

According to the SPA president, it is now enough and they have to explain to the press what is taking place, so that the press can see what is going on.

Zaandam said that he wants to elaborate on the matter of Commissioner Dompig, where he has been prohibited from speaking to the press and that the Minister of Justice said that Dompig speaks too much with the press and because of this he has forbidden him from doing so.

According to Zaandam, 2 months ago Dompig was approached by AHATA’s CEO, who is a member of the Communications Task Force, Jorge Pesquera, to become spokesperson of the task force.

The reason was that a few consultancy companies in the US showed that the message on the part of Aruba was not reaching in a clear and strong manner internationally using the spokespersons that they were using.

The consultancy companies counseled the Task Force to get a person who knows the legal process and knows about investigations in Aruba and so they decided to approach Dompig to do this.

The arrangement for Dompig’s interviews was that all questions that were to be asked of Dompig, among others for the magazine ‘Vanity Fair’, were first screened by the consultancy companies so that Commissioner Dompig could give the appropriate answers. All this took place according rules and wording, with the Prime Minister’s knowledge who gave the OK for this.

Now that everything has come out in Vanity Fair and that the American producers have come out with another strategy to attack Aruba, all of a sudden Dompig has become a person who speaks too much.

The Minister of Justice came into the game, as if there was no communication between the Prime Minister and the Minister of Justice, and now all the press knows that the Minister of Justice prohibited Commissioner Dompig from speaking.

These dirty games are unacceptable, according to Zaadam, who said that, for example, no one from the Task Force has come forward to say that they gave Commissioner Dompig the OK themselves, and that they have screened everything and that all was done in a correct manner.

The Prime Minister also can come forward to say that the Minister of Justice was at fault for prohibiting Dompig from speaking. This, according to Zaandam, who said that he wants to bring this type of thing forward to show how the police is being played by all other institutions.

All these games are for one sole objective that is unacceptable for the police, where for example prosecutor Karen Janssen was also prohibited to speak. After some time, now the Minister of Justice has expressed that prosecutor Angela from Curaçao has come to Aruba to conduct an investigation of the team of investigators.

According to the SPA president, Angela has come to Aruba to do this and not to assist in the investigation. This cannot be, according to Zaandam, who said that there can never be and investigation in an investigation.

After that SPA met with the team of investigators, they agreed that they are going to have everything on hold, until they are able to find out exactly what prosecutor Angela has come to do in Aruba. When they asked chief prosecutor Karen Janssen what prosecutor Angela came to do in Aruba, she said that she doesn’t know, that it’s something she can’t.

Prosecutor Angela hasn’t been in contact with the investigative team either, about for example, certain documents that he has related to the case, to see in detail what is taking place.

According to Zaandam, prosecutor Angela is sitting in an office at the Attorney General’s, is looking at the investigation files, which is something that cannot take place, and because of this they have stopped the investigation of the case, temporarily. Zaandam said that he realizes that this is a very troublesome decision, but it will be taken until they find more clarity about this.

He continued to say that now the American Senate has asked for more information on the case of Holloway and the intention of the government to send Arlene Schipper and Commissioner Dolfi Richardson to Washington.

Zaandam said that this is after three Commissioners that they added to the investigation of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. This way people’s attention is diverted.

This, according to the SPA president, who said that it is a public secret that there is a problem between the Attorney General and chief prosecutor Karen Janssen, and this is just something that cannot go on in the police force. According to Zaandam, he wants to avoid any division within the police force, that they government and others are trying to create.

First there was the supposed clash between Commissioner van der Straten and Commissioner Dompig, where van der Straten retired and things calmed down. Now Dompig took over the case, where they involved Dolfi Richardson in the game, to see if there was a clash.

SPA advised the two Commissioners that there is no clash in the police force and they expressed together that they are behind the investigative team, that they are together in this and that they speak together in respect to the team and the case. It is clear that if there is a separate power who wants to divide this team, they can forget about it.

According to Zaandam, the investigative team is doing a tremendous job and this has also been expressed by the Dutch colleagues, who were also in Aruba for the investigation.

These Dutch experts expressed in an FBI magazine that they could not have done a better job than the Aruban investigative team, however the Minister of Justice indicated that there will be an investigation of the investigative team, on the part of prosecutor Angela (whom he has respect for, according to Zaandam), who has barely 2 years as prosecutor, compared to the 15/16 years of experience of the prosecution’s office.
According to Zaandam, it’s best if they brought a prosecutor or expert from Holland, for example, who has a lit of experience in this area, for them to come do their investigation.

Zaandam said that the police of Aruba even listened to the FBI agents in Aruba speaking to their superiors in the US, saying what a good job the Aruban investigators are doing and do with the resources they have.

Posted by Getagrip at 12/13/2005 11:56:00 PM
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #1903 on: April 14, 2008, 12:47:03 AM »

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Caps,
I'm almost afraid to ask...but can you be more specific? 
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #1904 on: April 14, 2008, 12:57:23 AM »

Monkeys, it was not a game for kids but a grown-up game


Caps,
I'm almost afraid to ask...but can you be more specific? 

I too ask CAPS....and, I do Thank You, for all your research, and sharing of *inside* information  here....Bless You Caps...
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« Reply #1905 on: April 14, 2008, 12:59:05 AM »

Another article for Caps, RE: Dompig
Thank goodness for Getagrip!
http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2006/04/gerold-dompig-remains-spokesperson-but.html

4.06.2006
Gerold Dompig remains spokesperson but not head of the Natalee Holloway investigative team
Bon Dia Aruba
4/6/2006

ORANJESTAD – Commissioner Gerold Dompig remains as the person in charge of the investigation of the case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. This was declared yesterday morning by Minister Rudy Croes during a press conference. At the same time, the Minister indicated that although he preferred for inspector Dolfi Richardson to be the spokesperson for this case, Richardson himself asked for Dompig to remain the spokesperson, due to his knowledge of the case. As such, Dompig was re-appointed as spokesperson for this case.

MEDIA

It was yesterday that a few media outlets reported that Gerold Dompig will no longer be at the head of the investigation, and that he wouldn’t be the spokesperson either, and finally that he wouldn’t be acting interim High Commissioner. A question from Bon Dia Aruba indicated that according to the Minister, this information was not known by him, and that as far as he knows, Dompig remains spokesperson and the one in charge of the investigation.

ROTATING POSITION

Where there really were changes was that the Minister obtained counsel from High Commissioner Bernadina to name Coizy Krozendijk as interim High Commissioner, replacing Commissioner Dompig. This is something normal, due to the fact that he decided to rotate this position every year. Last year was Dompig’s year, and this year it has to change, but the change had not taken place. When Minister Croes asked Bernadina how much time he wants for the change to take place, Bernadina said that it could take place immediately, that is to say, this past 1st of April.

NEWS REFUTED

With this, the Minister of justice wants to refute the news that Dompig was already stripped of his functions and responsibilities, as some media outlets published previously yesterday morning.

Posted by Getagrip at 4/06/2006 06:57:00 PM
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #1906 on: April 14, 2008, 01:22:28 AM »

Another article for Caps, RE: Dompig
Thank goodness for Getagrip!
http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2006/04/gerold-dompig-remains-spokesperson-but.html

4.06.2006
Gerold Dompig remains spokesperson but not head of the Natalee Holloway investigative team
Bon Dia Aruba
4/6/2006

ORANJESTAD – Commissioner Gerold Dompig remains as the person in charge of the investigation of the case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. This was declared yesterday morning by Minister Rudy Croes during a press conference. At the same time, the Minister indicated that although he preferred for inspector Dolfi Richardson to be the spokesperson for this case, Richardson himself asked for Dompig to remain the spokesperson, due to his knowledge of the case. As such, Dompig was re-appointed as spokesperson for this case.

MEDIA

It was yesterday that a few media outlets reported that Gerold Dompig will no longer be at the head of the investigation, and that he wouldn’t be the spokesperson either, and finally that he wouldn’t be acting interim High Commissioner. A question from Bon Dia Aruba indicated that according to the Minister, this information was not known by him, and that as far as he knows, Dompig remains spokesperson and the one in charge of the investigation.

ROTATING POSITION

Where there really were changes was that the Minister obtained counsel from High Commissioner Bernadina to name Coizy Krozendijk as interim High Commissioner, replacing Commissioner Dompig. This is something normal, due to the fact that he decided to rotate this position every year. Last year was Dompig’s year, and this year it has to change, but the change had not taken place. When Minister Croes asked Bernadina how much time he wants for the change to take place, Bernadina said that it could take place immediately, that is to say, this past 1st of April.

NEWS REFUTED

With this, the Minister of justice wants to refute the news that Dompig was already stripped of his functions and responsibilities, as some media outlets published previously yesterday morning.

Posted by Getagrip at 4/06/2006 06:57:00 PM

Great Data TexasMom....the more we revisit the old info...with nw eyes...the more we see...Kudos to You Girl!
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« Reply #1907 on: April 14, 2008, 01:30:47 AM »

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Caps,
I'm almost afraid to ask...but can you be more specific? 


Will come but I need to make sure what info  I have matches the political agenda of some some of the elders.

Now Natalee was gone in May, in September was the Election and MAP came back to power. Now this guy Dompig was a lot of year in the force and was connected to both Prime Ministers. He was the security advisor. but now THE AVP did not came to Power.

Did Dumpig went to Holland a week before the incident. Anyone know this... It is vague, did rudy travel with Dompig.
source say yes, but I wnat to be sure.

I have most of the keys now and it match but I need to find out for who was he an advisor.

of the prime ministers, who uses him as an advisor in 2005. I know he work for both but one was a personal friend.

They are protecting this famaly that is in LEGAL business. this go all the way into the LAW offices.



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« Reply #1908 on: April 14, 2008, 01:53:58 AM »

Let pool the strings.

Rudy pull Dompig and dompig pull -----PM1 (MEP government after 2001   - 8 years - Nelson Oduber and Croes Famaly
                                            |____PM2 (AVP Government before 2001 - 8 years Henny Eman + Glambert Croes + Tico Croes

Now one of the PM political party is connected to the (THE NEWS) which is connected to Posner

The card that Paul Van der Sloot song was Dumpig.
Now Dumpig can not sing, so they offer him a peace pipe with the OK from Holland and so he sacrifice his Police job for another private security / law business.

this was with the OK from Holland.

Now on the night in question, he was protecting a famaly and that famaly is in the Law/Legal business.

To protect this Legal/Law Famaly business they had to get rid of the following

pull prosecutor Karen Jansen,
Pull Commissioner Dompig
Pull nvestigator Dennis Cabez [Jacobs?]
Pull Speaker of OM Marian Croes

all with the blessing of Holland.

all these took lucrative golden hand shake.



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« Reply #1909 on: April 14, 2008, 02:37:34 AM »



Thanks Caps!
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #1910 on: April 14, 2008, 04:16:14 AM »

Jackb…Dos Santos statement…Elvis Kelly…IIRC…something bad happened to a relative of his in Holland…

http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/police_documents/dossantos620.htm

On Sunday, May 29, 2005 in the evening hours, after the Texas Hold'm poker Tournament at the Excelsior casino I ran into “Elvis KELLY ", and his wife "Gladys”, and we all got into my fathers pickup and drove away. My father acted as a driver for our two passengers in his green pickup of the make Ford Ranger, license plate number "A-23793". We drove first to Wendy's Palm Beach to buy food, and after we had eaten, my father dropped off Elvis and Gladys at their home. Elvis and Gladys live in Noord. I don’t know their address, but I can designate to you their house. After we dropped Elvis and wife off at their home, my father and I went home. I no longer remember what time we got home

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On Monday, May 30, 2005, around 20.00, my father and I went to the casino at the Wyndham hotel to play Texas Hold’m poker. When I arrived I met Elvis KELLY and his spouse there "Gladys" and I greeted them. When we arrived I called Joran from the mobile telephone of my father “Montival”.




Thanks Mum.  I have heard a green truck mentioned somewhere, too.  Maybe that was it.
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« Reply #1911 on: April 14, 2008, 04:26:28 AM »

Question for the day...Which casino or hotel did the Kalpoe stepfather work at?   TIA

musta missed that

my only recollection is car rental business



Finn...IIRC this info was given to me in the NAH thread a while ago and has been in the back of my mind since. Just read the same thing again which is why I asked!

Have questioned the timing of when he was questioned many times, June 2nd and June 28th, same day as Freddy and Lorenzo!

I also recall the car rental story, can you give any more info on this?  TIA
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« Reply #1912 on: April 14, 2008, 04:40:31 AM »

Monkeys, it was not a game for kids but a grown-up game





Capslock - did you see this today?  Could you translate it?  Looks like they found a burned body near the Tunnel of Love.

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/4504/8/



A body was found near Tunnel of Love.

We have indication that a couple of hours ago ALE has found a dead body, probably burned in the vicinity of Tunnel of Love. The road to that area was closed off completely. We are in search of information and details of this news. These are the first picture of the area of the incident.

On the News tonight, The reported said that a body was found completely burned and when the authorities arrived, the body was still smoldering and still in smoke. The body was completely burned beyond recognition. They can not determined yet if is was a man or a Women.


More to be revealed in the Morning papers.



WOW!....Excellent Caps!....
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« Reply #1913 on: April 14, 2008, 05:35:38 AM »

Monkeys, it was not a game for kids but a grown-up game


Caps,
I'm almost afraid to ask...but can you be more specific? 

I too ask CAPS....and, I do Thank You, for all your research, and sharing of *inside* information  here....Bless You Caps...


Caps…Yes …Thanks for all the info, but I see you haven’t responded to the questions about the Dutch and the Sumerians.

Also saw mentioned yesterday Paulus’ dealing with contracts. I have asked about a possible connection to Paulus and specific contracts on at least three occasions in this thread. From my limited research, I have found that the work on these is seriously behind schedule. Actually I don't see that any work was done with the allocated money for the purpoe it was intended. If you have any info on Paulus and his dealing with contracts from 1999, it would be greatly appreciated.

As always…Thanks in Advance…
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« Reply #1914 on: April 14, 2008, 06:15:44 AM »



« Reply #195 on: April 13, 2008, 07:15:00 AM »   Buckeye

 
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2784.180


For Glenda and luvslalom at RU:


Glenda wrote:

He was there on the same day as CC and others who are also not on the Dr. Phil list. Guess they weren't interested as it wouldn't be in their best interest to include these docs in the case with the Kalpoes.


Dr. Phil filed broad interrogatories requesting info from the Kalpoes.  The listed documents are the Kalpoes response to the request.  Dr. Phil did not control the list.  Either Kalpoes  do not have "Eric Williams'" statement (from Sept? 2005), possibly because it would only be found in Joran's case file, or they didn't submit it (against the discovery rules) in the response to the interrogatory.
Please read the original document before you post erroneous info.


Buckeye…re your post on the NAH thread yesterday morning…hope you don’t mind me bringing it over as I find it a lot easier to ‘find’ things here…LOL

One thought on William’s statement. Maybe if the FBI took his statement, they have not shared it with their Aruban counterparts!

Since the Kalpoes are no longer suspects, I am assuming that Mr. Oomen has now been paid and therefore has no reason to withhold information from Deepak’s file.

Also as none of Freddy’s August statements are on the list, there is a couple of possibilities…first, Satish is not mentioned in those statements, so Kock was not given them. Or neither of the Kalpoes were mentioned, and as the charges against Freddy had nothing to do with Natalee’s case, they were not given them. Only thing with this is that Freddy statement from Feb. 2006 is in the Dr. Phil Log?  Thoughts?  TIA

Thanks for the posts on Captain Lorenzo and the Sweet Mary. I see vms has already done some checking!


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« Reply #1915 on: April 14, 2008, 06:24:10 AM »

Can any of the 'veteran' posters verify that the following post is true? I recall reading the axe story, but not that it was Freddy holding the axe. Thought I had seen a pic and it was not Freddy.  TIA

| Friday, August 26, 2005 at 05:40 PM
Freddy was the guy shown in a picture on Tickle and other places holding an ax. I've seen him in a lot of pictures with the Kalpoes and Joran.
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« Reply #1916 on: April 14, 2008, 07:25:00 AM »

IIRC, the boy in the picture with the ax was named Alex.
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« Reply #1917 on: April 14, 2008, 07:45:30 AM »

IIRC, the boy in the picture with the ax was named Alex.

Thanks Pita...now that is familiar.
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« Reply #1918 on: April 14, 2008, 07:50:30 AM »

Let pool the strings.

Rudy pull Dompig and dompig pull -----PM1 (MEP government after 2001   - 8 years - Nelson Oduber and Croes Famaly
                                            |____PM2 (AVP Government before 2001 - 8 years Henny Eman + Glambert Croes + Tico Croes

Now one of the PM political party is connected to the (THE NEWS) which is connected to Posner

The card that Paul Van der Sloot song was Dumpig.
Now Dumpig can not sing, so they offer him a peace pipe with the OK from Holland and so he sacrifice his Police job for another private security / law business.

this was with the OK from Holland.

Now on the night in question, he was protecting a famaly and that famaly is in the Law/Legal business.

To protect this Legal/Law Famaly business they had to get rid of the following

pull prosecutor Karen Jansen,
Pull Commissioner Dompig
Pull nvestigator Dennis Cabez [Jacobs?]
Pull Speaker of OM Marian Croes

all with the blessing of Holland.

all these took lucrative golden hand shake.






And finally I understand where Caps is going, on this one at least, and who he is talking about...IIRC his previous posts correctly!

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« Reply #1919 on: April 14, 2008, 08:57:33 AM »

Can any of the 'veteran' posters verify that the following post is true? I recall reading the axe story, but not that it was Freddy holding the axe. Thought I had seen a pic and it was not Freddy.  TIA

| Friday, August 26, 2005 at 05:40 PM
Freddy was the guy shown in a picture on Tickle and other places holding an ax. I've seen him in a lot of pictures with the Kalpoes and Joran.

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