SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2

[bleachedblack]

jackb wrote;

Thanks mum.  Also that pic of the man with the ax is also something other than what it appears.  There are different scenes in there.  I hope someone on here can follow up on that as when taken apart there appears to be ropes around the waist of the figure and on the wrists, injuries to the upper part of the forehead and ropes around the bag in front of this person.  Those are not all "tall grass" there are ropes.  There are other scenes in this picture and the, what looks to be pants with holes is (as well and covered by some really good graphic artist) scenes that appear to be evidence.  That is a what appears to be a canvas bag. It is a total different thing than what it appears.
Part of the scene before working with it does indeed hide a face, but the object is not an ax.  The handle on the ax is actually rope that has been blown up to appear as an ax.  I know this is wild, but needs to be recognized for what it is and that is pictures within pictures showing scenes of horrific crimes and making a mockery of justice.  Who is going to believe this?  Someone out there that has some skills such as I have, only better and with better equipment to work on this, I hope.  Jackb

What? there is indeed an axe hiding the face, and there is a handle on it NOT made of rope. To many other things have been read into this pic by you that are speculative. You claim to have skills, well could you please point out with more clarity what you are talking about? This photo of Alex the axe man has been around since 2005 and no one has made any claims to see what you are NOW claiming including myself.

[Lala'sMom]

Question:

Who did Sint John Denied that he knew?

This lawyer is dening is sons, and so to protect the Famaly

need to find the elder

Mickey Johns?

[Blonde]

jackb wrote;

Thanks mum.  Also that pic of the man with the ax is also something other than what it appears.  There are different scenes in there.  I hope someone on here can follow up on that as when taken apart there appears to be ropes around the waist of the figure and on the wrists, injuries to the upper part of the forehead and ropes around the bag in front of this person.  Those are not all "tall grass" there are ropes.  There are other scenes in this picture and the, what looks to be pants with holes is (as well and covered by some really good graphic artist) scenes that appear to be evidence.  That is a what appears to be a canvas bag. It is a total different thing than what it appears.
Part of the scene before working with it does indeed hide a face, but the object is not an ax.  The handle on the ax is actually rope that has been blown up to appear as an ax.  I know this is wild, but needs to be recognized for what it is and that is pictures within pictures showing scenes of horrific crimes and making a mockery of justice.  Who is going to believe this?  Someone out there that has some skills such as I have, only better and with better equipment to work on this, I hope.  Jackb

What? there is indeed an axe hiding the face, and there is a handle on it NOT made of rope. To many other things have been read into this pic by you that are speculative. You claim to have skills, well could you please point out with more clarity what you are talking about? This photo of Alex the axe man has been around since 2005 and no one has made any claims to see what you are NOW claiming including myself.

Thanks BB
I have been looking into this myself made it larger so maybe we can all see.

[Buckeye]

I  have no idea if this is true, but EuroRobert (from the FP) once described what all the middle names meant to the Dutch.  IIRC, the fourth name, if there, was the name of the godparent.  I always wanted Joran to have one more name...never found one.

If the new alphabet for Steve Croes is SGCJCroes then J would be his godfather...I think.

Mum

I have no idea about the Freddy, August statements.  You would have to read the Dr. Phil interrogatories then see what the Kalpoes listed as documents supporting the question (they list all their responses in regards to the number of the interrogatory). Maybe there was not a relevant request. 

[Lala'sMom]

Jackb…Dos Santos statement…Elvis Kelly…IIRC…something bad happened to a relative of his in Holland…

http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/police_documents/dossantos620.htm

On Sunday, May 29, 2005 in the evening hours, after the Texas Hold'm poker Tournament at the Excelsior casino I ran into “Elvis KELLY ", and his wife "Gladys”, and we all got into my fathers pickup and drove away. My father acted as a driver for our two passengers in his green pickup of the make Ford Ranger, license plate number "A-23793". We drove first to Wendy's Palm Beach to buy food, and after we had eaten, my father dropped off Elvis and Gladys at their home. Elvis and Gladys live in Noord. I don’t know their address, but I can designate to you their house. After we dropped Elvis and wife off at their home, my father and I went home. I no longer remember what time we got home

Snipped…

On Monday, May 30, 2005, around 20.00, my father and I went to the casino at the Wyndham hotel to play Texas Hold’m poker. When I arrived I met Elvis KELLY and his spouse there "Gladys" and I greeted them. When we arrived I called Joran from the mobile telephone of my father “Montival”.

Thanks Mum.  I have heard a green truck mentioned somewhere, too.  Maybe that was it.
Jackb.

jackb...CHATO   – aka Leonardo, Mexican, drives a green 4 door Ford pick-up truck

Thanks mum.  Also that pic of the man with the ax is also something other than what it appears.  There are different scenes in there.  I hope someone on here can follow up on that as when taken apart there appears to be ropes around the waist of the figure and on the wrists, injuries to the upper part of the forehead and ropes around the bag in front of this person.  Those are not all "tall grass" there are ropes.  There are other scenes in this picture and the, what looks to be pants with holes is (as well and covered by some really good graphic artist) scenes that appear to be evidence.  That is a what appears to be a canvas bag. It is a total different thing than what it appears.
Part of the scene before working with it does indeed hide a face, but the object is not an ax.  The handle on the ax is actually rope that has been blown up to appear as an ax.  I know this is wild, but needs to be recognized for what it is and that is pictures within pictures showing scenes of horrific crimes and making a mockery of justice.  Who is going to believe this?  Someone out there that has some skills such as I have, only better and with better equipment to work on this, I hope.  Jackb

Can I have some of whatever you are smoking? 

[klaasend]

My suggestion is if anyone thinks there is anything hidden in that picture to send it to the FBI.  I assume they would have the skills necessary to decipher the hidden objects.

Personally, I don't see anything hidden in the photo but I also don't have any special equipment or skills.   

[vms]

Steve Garrido Croes ???? son of Lawyer

    JORAN/STEVE CROES - FACE TO FACE MEETING STATEMENT 06/18/05
« on: August 21, 2006, 09:58:12 AM » 

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Rough translation

PROCES - VERBAAL


We, Johny Melvis ERASMUS and Shaniro Baldrik KELLY, respectively agent first class and sergeant at the Korps police force Aruba and at the section district II, explains the following:

On 18 June 2005, the S.G.C.J Croes faced suspect around 17:35, a closed meeting with the suspect Joran was faced.

The suspected S.G.C.J Croes explained:

-   That he does not know the suspected J.A.P.van der Sloot

-   That he had never seen the suspect J.A.P. van der Sloot ever before in his life.

The suspect J.A.P. van der Sloot explained

-   That he did not know S.G.C.J. Croes

-   That suspect J.A.P. van der Sloot had never seen the suspect S.G.C.J. Croes ever before in his life.


Of what our, ERASMUS and KELLY on oath of office made up warrant, and has been signed at Oranjestad on June 18, 2005 and has been closed.

Signed,


J.M. ERASMUS                             S.B. KELLY



DUTCH:
______________________________________________________________________

Ok Caps,

You posted information earlier about the following:

Filomena Garrido Croes (Mitchi as callname) uses her born last name on the son.

Son Name was Steve Garrido Croes Junior.

There is also Edward Croes who is the brother of Steve.

There is Evelin Croes who is married to a Wever.

Do you have a birthdate on S. G. C. J. in your research?  The reason I was inclined to believe that Steve was related to Hendrik was because of the name given in MSM Seferino Gregory Croes.  Did you come across that name in your research?
The mother and father's birthdates in your research indicate to me that they could also possibly be the grandparents of S. G. C. J.  Young parents, young grandparents but possible....  To my knowledge the Steve Croes that we know as a suspect has never been identified as a "jr".  Is it common to name someone Jr. when the father and the son's names are different?

Is there another Steve Garrido Croes that we don't know about?  Maybe in jail?

I believe an extreme effort is being made to hide the name....WHY? 

How did the media come up with Seferino Gregory Croes?

 

I think I need a nap!   





 
 
 

So they arrested the wrong Steve?
Color me totally confused! 

[MumInOhio]

Steve Garrido Croes ???? son of Lawyer

Caps, is this a law firm?


STICHTING DERDENGELDEN CROES WEVER TCHONG 
 
Business address SEROE PITA 22, PARADERA 
Legal form  FOUNDATION 
Name of the STICHTING DERDENGELDEN CROES WEVER TCHONG 
company/foundation/association:
Statutory seat  ARUBA 
Date of 20 DECEMBER 2006 
incorporation/commencement:
     
   
BOARD MEMBERS/AUTHORIZED PERSONS 
 
CROES, HENDRIK SEFERINO; 
Residing in  SEROE PITA 22, PARADERA, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 8 JANUARY 1942 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  PRESIDENT 
Effective  20 DECEMBER 2006 
Authority  FULL 
   
WEVER, RUDOLF MARCOLINO; 
Residing in  SPAANS LAGOENWEG 21, SAVANETA, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 24 JANUARY 1943 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  SECRETARY 
Effective  20 DECEMBER 2006 
Authority  FULL 
   
TCHONG, PETRUS JOANNES; 
Residing in  BYRONSTRAAT 13, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 26 DECEMBER 1944 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  TREASURER 
Effective  20 DECEMBER 2006 
Authority  FULL 
   

Pita…here is the link…Mr Wever is no longer with us! IIRC he was the most senior lawyer in Aruba.

http://www.lawyersaruba.com/

[MumInOhio]

Mum
Told there was a Zedan in Aruba...really should trust me more often. LOL 

Note to self...listen to the Hall Monitor...

Thanks everyone on Alex! What a day...there really is a Freddy, thank goodness! I would hate to think I've been chasing a ghost all this time! And an Alex as well!

[MumInOhio]

Steve Garrido Croes ???? son of Lawyer

    JORAN/STEVE CROES - FACE TO FACE MEETING STATEMENT 06/18/05
« on: August 21, 2006, 09:58:12 AM » 

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Rough translation

PROCES - VERBAAL


We, Johny Melvis ERASMUS and Shaniro Baldrik KELLY, respectively agent first class and sergeant at the Korps police force Aruba and at the section district II, explains the following:

On 18 June 2005, the S.G.C.J Croes faced suspect around 17:35, a closed meeting with the suspect Joran was faced.

The suspected S.G.C.J Croes explained:

-   That he does not know the suspected J.A.P.van der Sloot

-   That he had never seen the suspect J.A.P. van der Sloot ever before in his life.

The suspect J.A.P. van der Sloot explained

-   That he did not know S.G.C.J. Croes

-   That suspect J.A.P. van der Sloot had never seen the suspect S.G.C.J. Croes ever before in his life.


Of what our, ERASMUS and KELLY on oath of office made up warrant, and has been signed at Oranjestad on June 18, 2005 and has been closed.

Signed,


J.M. ERASMUS                             S.B. KELLY



DUTCH:
______________________________________________________________________

Ok Caps,

You posted information earlier about the following:

Filomena Garrido Croes (Mitchi as callname) uses her born last name on the son.

Son Name was Steve Garrido Croes Junior.

There is also Edward Croes who is the brother of Steve.

There is Evelin Croes who is married to a Wever.

Do you have a birthdate on S. G. C. J. in your research?  The reason I was inclined to believe that Steve was related to Hendrik was because of the name given in MSM Seferino Gregory Croes.  Did you come across that name in your research?
The mother and father's birthdates in your research indicate to me that they could also possibly be the grandparents of S. G. C. J.  Young parents, young grandparents but possible....  To my knowledge the Steve Croes that we know as a suspect has never been identified as a "jr".  Is it common to name someone Jr. when the father and the son's names are different?

Is there another Steve Garrido Croes that we don't know about?  Maybe in jail?

I believe an extreme effort is being made to hide the name....WHY? 

How did the media come up with Seferino Gregory Croes?

 

I think I need a nap!   





 
 
 

So they arrested the wrong Steve?
Color me totally confused! 

Or did they?

Satish said Steve works at Digicel...

JE...Who is 'that person'?

Have a good night everyone!

[MumInOhio]

Sorry Caps...Thanks for the translation...If you can doublecheck on the address, I'll make sure he gets a card this year!...LOL

[Lala'sMom]

You know there are two Steve Croes down there...the one everyone says is related to a monkey and the EMT one....LOL  Here we go again!  We do not have the wrong Steve Croes...he admitted that he lied about the whole thing to Greta...if he was the wrong one why in the heck would he not say so?  I refuse to chase this one around...have at it monkeys...I don't think I can do this any longer.  I am weary after 3 years.   

[texasmom]

You know there are two Steve Croes down there...the one everyone says is related to a monkey and the EMT one....LOL  Here we go again!  We do not have the wrong Steve Croes...he admitted that he lied about the whole thing to Greta...if he was the wrong one why in the heck would he not say so?  I refuse to chase this one around...have at it monkeys...I don't think I can do this any longer.  I am weary after 3 years.   

With as common a name as "Croes", there are probably more than 2.  I read the information on the "Steve Oswald Croes" a long time ago and refreshed my memory of it earlier.  In my opinion there is a deliberate attempt to hide the proper name of the Steve that we know as a suspect in this case.  Or possibly to mislead with it.  I'm not going to chase him around either; I'd just like to know what his proper name is and who his parents are.  It's being hidden for a reason. 

[CapsLockWizard]

Now the request fot the forbidden fruit came from an Escort Service.

The Escort Service has a link to the New. Now I need to know all the Escort services that go trough The NEWS and and there are sevaral. It operate where the Texas Aqua Search where residing and they know about it. Now to find which one,

Guido uses this escord service and he goes trough the News to enter this escort service.

Do Julia have or must have an escort service in 2005.

This is important. It will show that Natalee was setup.

[CapsLockWizard]

Now the request for the forbidden fruit came from an Escort Service.

The Escort Service has a link to the News. Now I need to know all the Escort services that go trough The NEWS and and there are sevaral. It operate where the Texas Aqua Search where residing when in Aruba and they know about it exisitng. Now to find which one,

Guido uses this escord service and he goes trough the News to enter this escort service.(Name?)

Does Julia have or must have an escort service in 2005.

This is important. It will show that Natalee was setup.

[jackb]

jackb wrote;

Thanks mum.  Also that pic of the man with the ax is also something other than what it appears.  There are different scenes in there.  I hope someone on here can follow up on that as when taken apart there appears to be ropes around the waist of the figure and on the wrists, injuries to the upper part of the forehead and ropes around the bag in front of this person.  Those are not all "tall grass" there are ropes.  There are other scenes in this picture and the, what looks to be pants with holes is (as well and covered by some really good graphic artist) scenes that appear to be evidence.  That is a what appears to be a canvas bag. It is a total different thing than what it appears.
Part of the scene before working with it does indeed hide a face, but the object is not an ax.  The handle on the ax is actually rope that has been blown up to appear as an ax.  I know this is wild, but needs to be recognized for what it is and that is pictures within pictures showing scenes of horrific crimes and making a mockery of justice.  Who is going to believe this?  Someone out there that has some skills such as I have, only better and with better equipment to work on this, I hope.  Jackb

What? there is indeed an axe hiding the face, and there is a handle on it NOT made of rope. To many other things have been read into this pic by you that are speculative. You claim to have skills, well could you please point out with more clarity what you are talking about? This photo of Alex the axe man has been around since 2005 and no one has made any claims to see what you are NOW claiming including myself.

Thanks BB
I have been looking into this myself made it larger so maybe we can all see.

Note the wrist ropes.  This may be someone tied to the fence.  Hair is long, wet with??
That is a canvas-like bag in front of him that seems to give the impression of beige pants with holes in the knees.  This needs some work.  The area around the figure in the grass gives some clues.    jackb

[klaasend]

Now the request fot the forbidden fruit came from an Escort Service.

The Escort Service has a link to the New. Now I need to know all the Escort services that go trough The NEWS and and there are sevaral. It operate where the Texas Aqua Search where residing and they know about it. Now to find which one,

Guido uses this escord service and he goes trough the News to enter this escort service.

Do Julia have or must have an escort service in 2005.

This is important. It will show that Natalee was setup.

If I had to guess I'd go with Mr. Pink    Websites in Aruba came down around August 2005:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2068.0

[Lala'sMom]

Why would Mr. Pink be the only escort service in Aruba?  I don't think he had a monopoly on it...then again maybe he did.  Would some of the casinos that service the high rollers with the money to pay not have more than one service they utilized there?  Maybe not.

Thinking this out brings me back to the reporter/producer's suicide...again for the "umpteenth" time.  Hey, Simian, I picked that up from you, my dear.

[klaasend]

Why would Mr. Pink be the only escort service in Aruba?  I don't think he had a monopoly on it...then again maybe he did.  Would some of the casinos that service the high rollers with the money to pay not have more than one service they utilized there?  Maybe not.

Thinking this out brings me back to the reporter/producer's suicide...again for the "umpteenth" time.  Hey, Simian, I picked that up from you, my dear.

He wasn't the only escort service in Aruba.  His websites did come down though very early in the case.  Most were all down by August 2005.  That is also when the FBI requested his phone records. 

[klaasend]

Here are the only 2 escort services listed at the Aruba Chamber website (with the word Escort in the business name) that were also doing business in 2005:





You can search the Aruba Chamber from this link:

http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_search.afp