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« Reply #240 on: March 27, 2008, 09:04:46 AM »

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Joined: 03 Aug 2005 Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 12:18 pm Post subject: Tight lipped
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Why would anybody come out? Get your face plastered over the Internet with accusations of cover-up and drugs and what not. Especially if your innocent.

It has been all over local media with the statements of the Casino employees. You are being cheated by the tabloid news of CNN and Fox.

By the way, the apparently the mobile phone grids do not place any of the trio near Savaneta. Savaneta is where Van Rijn's house is.

Jan van der Straaten left because his time was up. He should have retired long ago. He has been with the Dutch and Aruban police a combined 30 years. His retirement was very much publicized in the press and overwhelmingly the community regrets that he had to retire. It has nothing to do with the case. Since early this year it was announced.


The gamblers??


I thought a 6 AM call was attributed to this area...hmmm I must be mistaken.

Not sure on this...memory fading...was this a 6AM phone call to Steve Croes? And if so, what is with the mobile phone grids in the above post?
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« Reply #241 on: March 27, 2008, 10:19:27 AM »

From Colombo's post above:

Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 12:37 am
Yliana and Subdude have both opened windows which look into the heart of babylon
do not stray from your paths
you hold the key in hand


I have read this stuff so many times, but at this moment cannot recall, nor have the patience to go search for Yliana & Subdude's posts....Mum is right...going around in circles. 




what were they holding? 

what windows open that overlook babylon? Microsoft?


Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 12:37 am
Yliana and Subdude have both opened windows which look into the heart of babylon
do not stray from your paths
you hold the key in hand

OK...following this train of thought...the *key* could be a mouse used to open windows on a computer to view the true nature of babylon....it might be that someone posted photos/vids...that were to be private only...and someone else saw them...Yliana and Subdude...

BTW...I saw the name Subdude, on a link I was surfing through that had a lot of PIMPS, parties and sex vids...the link was from Aruba...darn...I'll see if I bookmarked it...
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« Reply #242 on: March 27, 2008, 10:26:14 AM »

Since Blonde was had questions about Guido yesterday, I'll post this from the book notes/diary of Joran. Notice the way Wever is written. He did the same thing for 'David' in the book translation. It's a shame JE can't find a copy of that darn book for a dime at a yard sale and give us 'true' thoughts.

Still have a lot of questions on Guido/David/Lorenzo whatever!

vms...empty on the myspace...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1008.0

I then went to the gym for a while were I saw Koen one of my best friends. I talked to him a while and then called Andre and Guido *Wever?* to ask them if they were going to play the poker tournament at the Whyndham, Guido told me he had to work at the Excelsior Casino till 10:00 pm but that when he finished he would come by and see how I was doing. Andre said he and his dad would be there. I called my dad and asked him if it would be okay to go play the tournament at the Whyndham and that Guido would bring me home, he said it was okay.
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« Reply #243 on: March 27, 2008, 10:33:47 AM »

From Colombo's post above:

Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 12:37 am
Yliana and Subdude have both opened windows which look into the heart of babylon
do not stray from your paths
you hold the key in hand


I have read this stuff so many times, but at this moment cannot recall, nor have the patience to go search for Yliana & Subdude's posts....Mum is right...going around in circles. 




what were they holding? 

what windows open that overlook babylon? Microsoft?


Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 12:37 am
Yliana and Subdude have both opened windows which look into the heart of babylon
do not stray from your paths
you hold the key in hand

OK...following this train of thought...the *key* could be a mouse used to open windows on a computer to view the true nature of babylon....it might be that someone posted photos/vids...that were to be private only...and someone else saw them...Yliana and Subdude...

BTW...I saw the name Subdude, on a link I was surfing through that had a lot of PIMPS, parties and sex vids...the link was from Aruba...darn...I'll see if I bookmarked it...


Interesting thoughts...Destiny!

I am always running into 'nasty' sites when I google peeps in Aruba. The one yesterday on ENOZ, and came up with a heap a few weeks back when I looked up Andre Meneses again. When I went to the links he wasn't mentioned, but the google search led me there with his name??
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« Reply #244 on: March 27, 2008, 10:46:33 AM »

Since Blonde was had questions about Guido yesterday, I'll post this from the book notes/diary of Joran. Notice the way Wever is written. He did the same thing for 'David' in the book translation. It's a shame JE can't find a copy of that darn book for a dime at a yard sale and give us 'true' thoughts.

Still have a lot of questions on Guido/David/Lorenzo whatever!

vms...empty on the myspace...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1008.0

I then went to the gym for a while were I saw Koen one of my best friends. I talked to him a while and then called Andre and Guido *Wever?* to ask them if they were going to play the poker tournament at the Whyndham, Guido told me he had to work at the Excelsior Casino till 10:00 pm but that when he finished he would come by and see how I was doing. Andre said he and his dad would be there. I called my dad and asked him if it would be okay to go play the tournament at the Whyndham and that Guido would bring me home, he said it was okay.

Mum,
This is the link:
http://www.myspace.com/makinthapaper



FWIW, subdude posted with us on the original codetalker's thread. I know someone who communicated with him. I do not think he was a pimp nor from Aruba. I'm fairly certain I remember what his profession was and where he was from. Maybe MsVada or finngirl could weigh in on this one...
JMO.
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« Reply #245 on: March 27, 2008, 10:47:57 AM »

Just playing devil's advocate here...if new info is offered it must be substantiated in some way so as to make it valid.  Sorry, that everyone thinks I am trying to pour cold water on Caps thoughts...I am not. I simply want to see the proof.  I know what others will ask that have their own agendas set in stone and sometimes I want to be ahead of the game. There is always a method to my madness even if it seems I am totally confused in such matters.


Yes, Mum, I misspelled Freddy's name...sorry. Fingers flying too fast this morning.
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« Reply #246 on: March 27, 2008, 10:48:21 AM »

Thanks Caps. I was just asking what some others were thinking...you didn't know I read minds?  LOL

Regdan Enoz.....tell me about this guy.  What would his connections to Paulus be?  TIA



daer esrever


 



oihonimuM: right to left

About the parties VMS mentioned. Nothing i know of. Certainly not common knowledge. It could be true but it seems far fetched to me.
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« Reply #247 on: March 27, 2008, 10:58:30 AM »

Just playing devil's advocate here...if new info is offered it must be substantiated in some way so as to make it valid.  Sorry, that everyone thinks I am trying to pour cold water on Caps thoughts...I am not. I simply want to see the proof.  I know what others will ask that have their own agendas set in stone and sometimes I want to be ahead of the game. There is always a method to my madness even if it seems I am totally confused in such matters.


Yes, Mum, I misspelled Freddy's name...sorry. Fingers flying too fast this morning.


Good Morning...Just that Rob spells it that way on his blog!!!(Thought I had missed something about Freddy)

I think I confused Caps with the Judges list!

vms...Thanks...going!

JE...LOL...sometimes I have a hard time reading forward!
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« Reply #248 on: March 27, 2008, 11:04:39 AM »

From Colombo's post above:

Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 12:37 am
Yliana and Subdude have both opened windows which look into the heart of babylon
do not stray from your paths
you hold the key in hand


I have read this stuff so many times, but at this moment cannot recall, nor have the patience to go search for Yliana & Subdude's posts....Mum is right...going around in circles. 




what were they holding? 

what windows open that overlook babylon? Microsoft?


Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 12:37 am
Yliana and Subdude have both opened windows which look into the heart of babylon
do not stray from your paths
you hold the key in hand

OK...following this train of thought...the *key* could be a mouse used to open windows on a computer to view the true nature of babylon....it might be that someone posted photos/vids...that were to be private only...and someone else saw them...Yliana and Subdude...

BTW...I saw the name Subdude, on a link I was surfing through that had a lot of PIMPS, parties and sex vids...the link was from Aruba...darn...I'll see if I bookmarked it...


Interesting thoughts...Destiny!

I am always running into 'nasty' sites when I google peeps in Aruba. The one yesterday on ENOZ, and came up with a heap a few weeks back when I looked up Andre Meneses again. When I went to the links he wasn't mentioned, but the google search led me there with his name??

Yep...I know what you mean Mum...some of those links just stink!

Also...keeping in mind my post above...the answer *being in plain sight*...duh...my *computer screen*...LOL...head spinning...green stuff flying....
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« Reply #249 on: March 27, 2008, 11:09:03 AM »

What is Dirty Hand's connection to Paulus? 

Who is the Arawak Dirty Hand?

Have we given up on the 5th suspect? 

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« Reply #250 on: March 27, 2008, 11:13:08 AM »

I have had this saved for a long time
Guido is supposed to be gay and it was rumored that he was somehow romantically involved with Judge Smyth.
Guido is half Dutch and half Aruban and his Father was/is some politician in Aruba. Whether that is Candalrio "Booshie" Wever or not I don't know.
Anyone know.





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 Natalee Holloway / LCD Archive / Re: Natalee Case Discussion #743 3/14 -  on: March 16, 2008, 07:04:13 AM 
I got this from the great link that TexasMom posted.I didn't know Guido was Booshi Wever's son.....shoot,it copied over in Dutch

 Son minister gets fined for threat

ORANJESTAD — De zoon van minister Candelario ‘Booshi’ Wever (MEP) van Volksgezondheid en Milieu, Guido ‘Inti’, is gisteren na een betaling van een boete van 1750 florin vrijgekomen. ORANJESTAD - The son of Minister Candelario 'Booshi' Wever (MEP) of Health and Environment, Guido "Inti" yesterday after a payment of a fine of 1750 florin vacant. Hij zat sinds zaterdag vast wegens bedreiging van de familie Thijzen. He was since Saturday, because of the threat Thijzen family.


Er speelt al geruime tijd een conflict tussen aanhangers van OLA, waaronder de nummer twee op de lijst Danny van der Linde, en de familie Wever. There has been a long conflict between supporters of OLA, including the number two on the list Danny van der Linde, and the family Wever. Dit werd deels met ingezonden brieven in de ochtendkranten uitgevochten. This was partly with letters sent in the ochtendkranten out. Van der Linde en anderen deden vrijdag aangifte wegens bedreiging tegen de zoon van minister Wever. Van der Linde and others did declaration Friday because of threats against the son of Minister Wever. De jongeman werd daarop aangehouden door de politie en verhoord, maar kon even daarna weer gaan. The young man was then arrested by the police and interrogated, but could even then.


Toen er zaterdag weer sprake zou zijn van bedreiging is Wever junior opgepakt en vastgehouden. When there again Saturday there would be threat Wever junior arrested and detained. Gisterochtend werd hij na het betalen van de boete op vrije voeten gesteld. Gisterochtend he was after paying the fine to free feet. Volgens zijn advocaat Anthony Carlo wilde de jongeman liever niet bakkeleien over de inhoud van het conflict. According to his lawyer Anthony Carlo wanted the young man bakkeleien prefer not on the substance of the conflict. “Hij moet hier op Aruba een aantal dingen regelen voordat hij binnenkort weer teruggaat naar Cuba waar hij tandheelkunde studeert.” "He should be here on a number of things Aruba regulate shortly before he again goes back to Cuba, where he studied dentistry."

Volgens de ministerszoon zou er niet echt sprake zijn van bedreiging: “Ik denk dat het Openbaar Ministerie duidelijk wil maken dat het hard zal optreden tegen bedreiging in politieke campagnes. According to the ministerszoon would not have threat: "I think the public prosecutor wishes to make clear that it will be hard act against threats in political campaigns. Had ditzelfde feit in een andere context plaatsgevonden, dan was het waarschijnlijk lichter bestraft.” Overigens heeft minister Wever aangifte gedaan tegen Van der Linde, wegens het doen van valse aangifte. Had the same fact in a different context, it was probably lighter than punished. "Moreover, Minister Wever complaint against Van der Linde, because making a false declaration. (Amigoe) (Amigoe)
 

Here's an article that was recently posted, but I've also heard or read that there are two Guido Wever's so I'm not sure.


Aliansa/Aruban Social Movement or MSA [Robert WEVER]; Aruban Liberal Organization

OK, here we go again:  Joran said to Patrick that "Daury" was l/2 Aruban and half something else didn't he?  So, maybe this Guido dude knows Smyth and this thing gets fixed up really good with PVs, JVS, Smyth , Cromvroits, Gottenbos, 2K parent(s), Steve Croes, Ben Vocking  and for the love of Pete, half the people on the island, it seems.  WHY?  So many of their kids are involved.  The kids know a lot on the elders, too.  My, what a bunch of skank dudes.        Jackb


Something about small houses with the children of the elders!


The fallen judge and the singing card are of the same hand, but it is dangerous for the Arawaks to play it, because everyone would hear, including the cowboys


Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 2:50 pm
This is bad. Really bad…He has a history of making himself be something he is not.  (Arawak)

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:01 pm
Arawaks often go to play (the game) in small houses of Babylon with the offspring of the Elders

Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 12:23 am
Follow the note$ (line of credit?)
to the poison house
where the children of the babylonians
and the arawak nation
meet, under cover of delusion.
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« Reply #251 on: March 27, 2008, 11:17:27 AM »

What is Dirty Hand's connection to Paulus?  Still thinking contracts and Paulus old jobs

Who is the Arawak Dirty Hand?  Not sure - Rudy Croes

Have we given up on the 5th suspect?  NEVER!


I even made a post about it this morning...LOL
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« Reply #252 on: March 27, 2008, 11:30:54 AM »

JE... If you don't mind, I would like your opinion on this post that vms posted by Aristotle from BFN, from the old thread.

Do you know if such a 'tradition' does exist in the Netherlands? Do you think this is feasible? Could this be what Shango was posting about?   TIA

« Reply #1883 on: February 13, 2008, 06:02:04 PM » 

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Aristotle wrote:

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I am going to go out on a limb here.  This is only my opinion, like it or not, i don't care.  I reread shango recently and after devries "confession" by joran, i finally think i understand what shango was saying.  IMO joran is still lying to protect others.  IMO Mos should go to Bonaire and question vanderstraten.  I won't bore you with my line by line translations, but here is the gist. (and by the way, more than one source in aruba have confirmed that they have heard that these parties DO exist).

long ago in holland, a tradition was started where older influential men would meet and party..drugs, etc., and a younger girl or girls would be brought to them to satisfy their sexual pleasures.  Some of those men over the years transplanted to Aruba, yet they kept up the tradition, allowing others into their "group." These others likely consist of politicians and others in "power" positions.

there was one of these parties held in May 2005.  The "guest of honor" at this party...the young girl... was natalee.  She was lured to the party by joran.  The 2k dropped them off, as the 2k were not permitted at the party.  Something bad happened to natalee at the party.  joran was not the one who directly harmed her...he just lead her to this party.  Paulus and Vanderstraten know about these parties, and this party in particular.  Vanderstraten knows who harmed natalee. Other members of the ALE attend these parties as well.  joran cannot tell the truth about what happened to natalee because to do so would expose all of these other people.  Many of the politicians and policemen of aruba, and others...possibly judges, attorneys, etc., would lose their jobs over this and tourism would decline because tourists would not feel safe on an island littered with crooked cops.

the searches, arrests, court proceedings, etc. have been orchestrated to deceive the Americans/world and hide the truth about the island. everything, right down to joran's recent "confession" has been a sham, smoke and mirrors and a horse and pony show.  The ALE knows that the Americans/world is not going to let this go until someone is blamed for natalee's death.  joran is the obvious scapegoat because he was last seen with her and did not cause her death, so he can't be found guilty of that. 

the truth of Shango's posts will remain hidden, as will the truth about what happened to natalee until these parties and their participants are exposed.  According to shango, Vanderstraten did not participate directly in these parties, but he knew about them and did not shut them down.

IMO all of the people involved in these parties, and this party in particular, should be held accountable as they have misdirected the "investigation" from the start and up to the present time.  The question is, will Mos break the case wide open by exposing this, or is he a participant in these parties and/or the cover up? 
 
 

Mum I hope You don't mind Me replying to this post since it was directed to JE but this reminds Me of something I need to mention

Here awhile back Colombo was posting and saying that this missing person was part of the game and that it was an on going thing....connect the dots

 

Colombo said something like if You work at McDonalds and move to another island would You be able to get a job at another McDonald's....

I believe that the post by Aristotle above and what Colombo was trying to say are the same in that....The game is on going and that since Natalee's case is so publicized and all.... that they simply moved the game to St Maarten hence the Leta Cordes Case.....

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/03/06/kathleen-feeney-american-tourist-missing-in-st-maarten-since-march-1-2007/

I believe the post by Aristotle is pretty accurate except that I believe that Joran took Natalee to the party and things were not going right (She was combative) so the Elders made Him take Her Away at which time He called Paulus to pick Him up and that's how Natalee wound up at the Sloots House and something bad happened...JMO... 
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« Reply #253 on: March 27, 2008, 11:42:54 AM »

What is Dirty Hand's connection to Paulus? 

Who is the Arawak Dirty Hand?

Have we given up on the 5th suspect? 



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« Reply #254 on: March 27, 2008, 11:45:06 AM »

Cordes case:  http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/01/18/leta-lynn-cordes-american-tourist-missing-vacationing-on-the-caribbean-island-of-saint-maarten-netherlands-antilles/


Involves Westin

Westin on Aruba was Wyndham

did PVDS try to misdirect search for Joran away from Wyndham? Did Joran "hit the jackpot?"
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« Reply #255 on: March 27, 2008, 11:46:36 AM »

Hotping...of course I don't mind...I wasn't sure if JE had seen it in the old thread and came accross it yesterday. I had been meaning to ask and finally saw the post!

All opinions appreciated in here as far as I am concerned...off to find the loesge posts...LOL
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« Reply #256 on: March 27, 2008, 11:57:51 AM »

COLUMBO...I will have to find them somewhere else as the one post of Klaas' on page 4 of the old thread I don't know how to copy...be back in a bit!

 

   




   


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« Reply #257 on: March 27, 2008, 12:04:14 PM »

Page 71...posted by Buckeye...

1.   loesge Says:
April 22nd, 2006 at 5:41 am
Gunslinger Says:
April 21st, 2006 at 7:06 pm
they filmed her de-flowering.
who was the actor?
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ODUBER

2.   loesge Says:
April 22nd, 2006 at 5:51 am
Gunslinger Says:
April 21st, 2006 at 7:34 pm
The video was filmed live and
on location at the neighborhood
Holiday Inn.
““““““““““““““““
no,
it was the Wyndham

3.   loesge Says:
April 22nd, 2006 at 6:00 am
connect the dots to Bob Smith, manager of the Wyndham who also is head of the “black-clad” visability team. It was those black-clad “guards” who intercepted Natalee from Joran, NOT the two guards who were arrested. Joran delivered Natalee to a “House his father was known to be at”= Casablanca= “white house”.
The visability guards handed her over to Paulus and he, ultimately to Oduber.
The Lions prefer nice accomodations for their deflowerings. Presidential suite, anyone?
It’s an ongoing racket.
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« Reply #258 on: March 27, 2008, 12:04:46 PM »

quoting hotping:
"I believe that the post by Aristotle above and what Colombo was trying to say are the same in that....The game is on going and that since Natalee's case is so publicized and all.... that they simply moved the game to St Maarten hence the Leta Cordes Case..... "

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 11:43 pm
Mary rolled into the maze
to play with lions
but it was not a game   [this time something bad happened]
the lamb ran bleating
afraid to walk through the maze
why don’t the arawaks ambush the lions?
The cowboys don’t know.
DirtyHand knows, but is afraid of the Arawak Nation
The gods are talking


the game, pg 4:
http://www.ca11.uscourts.gov/opinions/ops/200214306.pdf
Both pimps and prostitutes generally referred to their activities as “the game.”

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« Reply #259 on: March 27, 2008, 12:14:41 PM »

1.   loesge Says:
April 22nd, 2006 at 5:41 am
Gunslinger Says:
April 21st, 2006 at 7:06 pm
they filmed her de-flowering.
who was the actor?
——————————————-
ODUBER


"All along the gamblers knew who he was"

"The gamblers also took note"

"All the gamblers knew was written down"
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