SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2

[MumInOhio]

VIRGINia=MARY

Yep, you're a Shangohead. LOL

LOL...I take that as a compliment.

Chata...I reread all your posts...I really wish you would post more often! Should we follow that Star and the Days of St. John?

I would post more often but I have dial-up and it is verrrrry slow.  Gets frustrating to post and find the subject has changed. 

I don't know what was meant by the star and St.John, but I don't think they were thrown in to fill space in a post.  CAPS may have some insight there. 

I do think there are some connections with the "movers and shakers" on the Island and maybe/probably in the US.  I tend to lean toward organized crime.

Of course, this is all just my opinion.

Chata

Chata…I found this after reading one of your posts yesterday. Only one of the Aruba website is up the other is under construction. They have a key, a star and Days of St. John amongst other things. Just keeping it in mind...

http://www.masonicdictionary.com/entries.html

http://www.freemasonry.fm/By-Countries.html

[MumInOhio]

Hotping...I haven't worked out 'across the pond' yet!...LOL

Finn...Thanks for posting those posts

Blonde...I am not sure I want to watch it???

[Lala'sMom]

Could Someone please correct this Key if any is not correct...I need something to go by for better understanding...TIA 

THE KEY:

Here's a list of what the code means, as interpreted by myself and other scaredmonkey bloggers; together we agreed enough to come up with this. This is all interpretation and speculation--these aren't necessarily my opinions; I'm just interpreting what I think Shango is saying. Others may see things differently, or dismiss this as a hoax. I think this is all too real.


*Mary=Natalee
*The Lamb=Joran
*Shivas=Kalpoe brothers
*Dirty Hand=police commissioner Van Der Straaten
*The Elder=Paulus Van Der Sloot
*His Lordship=unknown; maybe the Aruban Prime Minister
*Sumerians= maybe American government officials or Jossy Mansur, head of Diario
*Babylonians=European (Dutch) influence on Aruba
*Arawaks=native Arubans
*Arawak King=Prime Minister, or possibly the boat with the same name from the mainland that frequents Aruba.
*Olorum=supreme being
*46th Spirit=a reference to Bifrons, a spirit with the swollen features of a rotting corpse; makes people around him aware of their own mortality. Not sure what the connection is hereÖ
*Teepees=dwelling of innocent people/carefree island culture was first suggested, but I think it really means the islandís businesses: casinos, hotels, etc. that would be hurt worst by a drop in tourism
*Roll=reference to doing the drug ecstasy; doing X is called ërollingí
*Keystone=Dirty Hand=the center of corruption, which will expose this crime and other corruption
*The Lions=the truly dangerous people involved in underworld; Nataleeís real killers (or those responsible for her death)
*The Maze=location of rave parties/ seedy underworld of the island
*Sacrifice=person or people who will take the fall if truth isn't exposed (The Lamb and shivas)
*Cowboys=Americans searching for Natalee; her family, EquuSearch, FBI, etc.

*Indians= arubans
*Loot=Natalee; some think this means hard evidence of any kind
*Wampum= money, income to Aruba; the economy
*Occam's Razor=medieval principle that one should not make more assumptions than the minimum needed
*Doppleganger=an invisible shadow-self possessed by every human
*Eden=truth

*cowboy gods=the real power in the U.S.: FBI, senators, et cetera

 

Note: Shango says three things frequently enough that I think it more efficient to provide one translation here to use afterward:

 

I must (go) feed the messengers

Either Shango has sources of his own he has to confer with (my guess), or he is leaking information to the media or elsewhere as well.

 

The gods are talking

Refers to ongoing communiquÈs between the Aruban government, the Netehrlands, the U.S., etc.

 

Light the fires!

The day of charges/trial/conviction are approaching.

 

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http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=1190

 

The key you are using has been for several years the one most used in trying to interpret Shango...however nothing is perfectly clear with Shango.   According to whom he is speaking to at the moment...his use of terms is interchangeable.  Until Capslock arrived this key was followed closely.  Some things have changed in that Caps says  Shango changes his terms to fit the story he is telling...I disagree, but that is only because I still claim that Shango is trying to communicate with people that have an American background and not an Aruban one.  So many of us see things so differently that until Shango comes out and tells us what he means we will all still be here forever.  I still believe that you must read the riddles in CONTEXT with the other posters to understand them.  Some others seem to want to take them and just list them in order of posting without regard to dates and times and make a story out of them.  That is possible also, and it is quite logical to think it will work.  I however do not think that you can do that...but then again that's just me and I know little about Shango and his ways.

How did Simian know there was a doppleganger???  Once again, it's a matter of context...a few of the Simian insiders knew the code that told them it was the real Simian or the fake one.   A few possibilities:  Allyinmiami was the one that could tell most often...they spoke in Spanish or Pap or something that I can't translate if you read the comments in CONTEXT.  Also, remember this is the internet...what is there to keep Simian and his cohorts (Ally, Lucy, Checkme, etc.) from talking on IM first to let them know they are online and then posting on the FP?  I do it all the time....or by email even.  Am I making myself clear or have I muddied the water even more?

[MumInOhio]

Good Morning Lala's...Still can't make up my mind if Natalee was 'the loot' or the 'wrong girl'!

Both make sense!!!

[Lala'sMom]

Hotping...I haven't worked out 'across the pond' yet!...LOL

Finn...Thanks for posting those posts

Blonde...I am not sure I want to watch it???

One of our new Dutch posters made that same reference several months back pertaining to the NL...so I am thinking to Shango he meant that same thing...across the ocean to the Netherlands. Across the pond to England and on to the NL.  My opinion. 

[Lala'sMom]

Good Morning Lala's...Still can't make up my mind if Natalee was 'the loot' or the 'wrong girl'!

Both make sense!!!

Why can't she be both?

[jackb]

I would post more often but I have dial-up and it is verrrrry slow.  Gets frustrating to post and find the subject has changed. 

I don't know what was meant by the star and St.John, but I don't think they were thrown in to fill space in a post.  CAPS may have some insight there. 

I do think there are some connections with the "movers and shakers" on the Island and maybe/probably in the US.  I tend to lean toward organized crime.

Of course, this is all just my opinion.



Chata

Get you a Win Cleaner One Click Clean software disk, they are not expensive,  and run it on One click when you go on I-net or just to clean up off line or every time you get on a blog and when you finish.  Also search and find Fire Fox browser and bring it down to use.  Get on with your regular home page and immediately close that out after you are connected and bring up your Fire Fox browzer.   Use that on your blogs.  It is much faster, even with dial up. It is faster than DSL for going to different pages.  You can run the One Click any time.    Jack b
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Thank you for the info Jack ... I will save it until one of my children comes over and let them set it up for me.  I am not very computer savy when it comes to new software.  They are really after me to at least upgrade to DSL ... LOL.  Maybe I will one day.

Chata

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DSL is not an improvement, actually.  It is your browser that is being used after you get on you blogs.  You just lose some control to correct things on your computer, unless you are savy enough to bypass their controls.  The computer may need also to go to Accessories, Scan disk always before you defragment.
There is right much to keeping one cleaned if you are on the I-net a lot.  Music downloading and videos, as well as downloading software can cause a lot of extra junk to clutter there.  If I can help you any way, let me know.  I will try to, at least.   j/b

[Blonde]

Lala'sMom
Scared Monkey
Blonde...I am not sure I want to watch it???

My point was, these girls drugged these boys and then they were brought to this place for toucher.
The girls thought is was fun.
For sick peoples pleasures to do with them as pleased.
one guy said "I paid good money for her.
I bet this goes on a lot.


 

[MumInOhio]

Hotping...I haven't worked out 'across the pond' yet!...LOL

Finn...Thanks for posting those posts

Blonde...I am not sure I want to watch it???

One of our new Dutch posters made that same reference several months back pertaining to the NL...so I am thinking to Shango he meant that same thing...across the ocean to the Netherlands. Across the pond to England and on to the NL.  My opinion. 

Lala's...that is what I have thought after seeing Arubans use it on boards and obviously meaning Holland. I thought the new Dutch poster that used it, said something like 'Goodnight to you all across the pond' and that would mean us. The US. Don't suppose you have that post?...LOL

For some reason I had thought Simian used 'across the pond'. So now you tell me it was in a Shango post, I will have to rethink it all when I am fully awake from my nap!  Maybe it will make perfect sense...or not!  Woke up at 2 this morning and that is wayyyy too early!!!

[MumInOhio]

Good Morning Lala's...Still can't make up my mind if Natalee was 'the loot' or the 'wrong girl'!

Both make sense!!!

Why can't she be both?

Thanks Lala’s…I never thought of that. So Natalee was ‘the loot’.

So who owed the money?  Virginia?....Joran…we were told he was a terrible card player? Some-one else? Paulus, Freddy?

If not Virginia is this their way of laundering money?

[MumInOhio]

Lala'sMom
Scared Monkey
Blonde...I am not sure I want to watch it???

My point was, these girls drugged these boys and then they were brought to this place for toucher.
The girls thought is was fun.
For sick peoples pleasures to do with them as pleased.
one guy said "I paid good money for her.
I bet this goes on a lot.


 

Thanks Blonde...I agree with you, except in this case the girl didn't go willingly...Then Natalee would be 'the loot' as COLUMBO says. She was targeted, chosen or the other Mary was!

 There was a lot of people on the island that weekend for the Soul Beach Festival. Some came with their own boats from Columbia and Venezuela. I also recall reading way back that there was a private plane...some Middle Eastern royalty or hob-knob.

[CapsLockWizard]

Good day monkys,

Do any one of you have the PV's of SVG

Who is the person that testify he was with them that night?

I need the names or something.

If there is a testimonial than we have the key of the Alibi.

CAPS

[MumInOhio]

Good day monkys,

Do any one of you have the PV's of SVG

Who is the person that testify he was with them that night?

I need the names or something.

If there is a testimonial than we have the key of the Alibi.

CAPS

Caps...Steve Croes or Geoffrey van Cromvoirt?  Not sure which one you want...no PV's on either, but can give you a little information on both.

Alibi for Geoffrey was I believe his parents. They are now in the Netherlands. Sister a cop. Father ran VCB in Aruba and maybe other islands. He used to work at VCB and was known as a beach bum...worked the banana boats. Lots of pics of him on boats in the old thread.

Steve was supposed to be on the "Tattoo" and supposedly went to C&C's. Knew the Kalpoes I believe. Lots on him in the other thread.

Let me know what you are looking for...

What about Freddy????   LOL

[Hotshot]

VIRGINia=MARY

Yep, you're a Shangohead. LOL

LOL...I take that as a compliment.

Chata...I reread all your posts...I really wish you would post more often! Should we follow that Star and the Days of St. John?

I would post more often but I have dial-up and it is verrrrry slow.  Gets frustrating to post and find the subject has changed. 

I don't know what was meant by the star and St.John, but I don't think they were thrown in to fill space in a post.  CAPS may have some insight there. 

I do think there are some connections with the "movers and shakers" on the Island and maybe/probably in the US.  I tend to lean toward organized crime.

Of course, this is all just my opinion.

Chata

Chata…I found this after reading one of your posts yesterday. Only one of the Aruba website is up the other is under construction. They have a key, a star and Days of St. John amongst other things. Just keeping it in mind...

http://www.masonicdictionary.com/entries.html

http://www.freemasonry.fm/By-Countries.html

OMG, I brought that up very early on in the case, and got thrown outta here.  Got into it with a person who is no longer here about it also.  I still feel the same way, but tread lightly.......

[MumInOhio]

VIRGINia=MARY

Yep, you're a Shangohead. LOL

LOL...I take that as a compliment.

Chata...I reread all your posts...I really wish you would post more often! Should we follow that Star and the Days of St. John?

I would post more often but I have dial-up and it is verrrrry slow.  Gets frustrating to post and find the subject has changed. 

I don't know what was meant by the star and St.John, but I don't think they were thrown in to fill space in a post.  CAPS may have some insight there. 

I do think there are some connections with the "movers and shakers" on the Island and maybe/probably in the US.  I tend to lean toward organized crime.

Of course, this is all just my opinion.

Chata

Chata…I found this after reading one of your posts yesterday. Only one of the Aruba website is up the other is under construction. They have a key, a star and Days of St. John amongst other things. Just keeping it in mind...

http://www.masonicdictionary.com/entries.html

http://www.freemasonry.fm/By-Countries.html

OMG, I brought that up very early on in the case, and got thrown outta here.  Got into it with a person who is no longer here about it also.  I still feel the same way, but tread lightly.......

LOL...Hi Hotshot!...Read a lot of that way back then! As I've said before...The Marines are always looking for a few good men...does not mean all they get are good!

[CapsLockWizard]

I ment Geoffrey van Cromvoirt

Who testefy for him and look at the times if there is any that say where he was.

then look at the times for Steve where he was

Then Look at Paules time where they were.

and Joran times where they were.


Put in a table form

Use the knowledge we have today and books.

Time of calls to each other between father and son

the info on Freddy is comming today after finshing work. it seems that karen went to visit someone in the pen on tuesday. it is visiting day and I show the picture and was confirm that she went to see someone...more later

BTW there is a military traing beeing scheduled by the DirtyHand again. Look at diario news yesterday or day before.

Also the there was an AHATA conferance in Aruba and it was a flop completly flop. seem the monkey are winning. Poor attendance for the USA. is in the papers today.



 

[MumInOhio]

Thanks Caps...

Geoffrey von Cromvoirt… Dad..retired cop from the Netherlands. They came to Aruba 1997. Lived at 14A Paradara…house was still for sale December 2007. They threatened to sue May 2007 after Geoffrey was detained in April 2007.

I read that both Geoffrey and his Dad were questioned early on.

From Sunfreak’s Aruban Who’s Who

Dad...
CROMVOIRT, Wilhemus “Willem” Bernadus Henricus Papaya van – owner & operator of VCB Security.  Father of Geoffrey van Cromvoirt. There is some question as to whether the Cromvoirt’s moved to the Netherlands.  Resided at 14D, Paradera, Aruba.
 
VCB Security  – Video Camera Beveiligingssystemen.  Security firm owned by Wilhemus van Cromvoirt, Geoffrey’s father.  The Visibility Team, supplied by VCB, is part of Aruban police that patrols the beaches by ATV’s, SUV’s and boats.  This company provides security guards and video security for the beaches, hotels, casinos and other businesses on Aruba as well.


VISIBILITY TEAM, the – Private security team of VCB, police trained, that function as police adjunct to patrol the beaches, Oranjestadt & San Nicholas.
 

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=203.0


Steve Croes…DJ…worked at C&C’s recently…from Curacao…divorced and a small child. Lived with his grandparent’s, wife’s parents, I think. Aunt lived next door, married to retired cop Rufo Solognier.

[MumInOhio]

Caps...Dave Holloway said the Geoffrey was at C&C's that night. There were witnesses. I have the article and link, but it is long.

Also a tourist contacted the FBI as she was with GVC on June 9th. and received a phone call. He reacted strangely to the phone call. This was on the night of the day that J2K was arrested. That is posted in the other thread.

I am not sure how much of a table we can make...not many facts...and only the lies of Paulus and Joran to go on.

We don't have any times on Steve or GVC that I know of! Maybe one little thing in the old thread on Steve.

[MumInOhio]

Caps...I think the address for von Cromvoirts is 14 D Paradera...sorry I went from memory. I found it in a real estate listing late Dec or early Jan. Looks like a nice house.

[Lala'sMom]

Lala'sMom
Scared Monkey
Blonde...I am not sure I want to watch it???

My point was, these girls drugged these boys and then they were brought to this place for toucher.
The girls thought is was fun.
For sick peoples pleasures to do with them as pleased.
one guy said "I paid good money for her.
I bet this goes on a lot.


 

Not my quote...I have seen that movie...it is disturbing...yes, that's the word...disturbing.