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« Reply #340 on: March 28, 2008, 03:57:45 PM »

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Lala's...here's the info on GVC and the tourist...maybe I should post in the Shango thread....I know you'll see it there....LOL

Prev. posted Feb.5th.

Here's the article about GVC...I just read at reihlworld that Nat's friends had seen her talking to GVC see bottom of page.

Interview With Cromvoirt Acquaintance
Though currently studying abroad, I was able to establish contact and do a brief phone interview with a young American girl acquainted with current detainee in the Natalee Holloway investigation, Geoffrey van Cromvoirt.

She is still somewhat shaken by news of his arrest, particularly as it was June 9th, 2005, the night Joran Van der Sloot and the two Kalpoe brothers were arrested, when she met GVC at Carlos and Charlies. She was able to provide the day of the week, Thursday, which matches with the night of the three boys arrests. After speaking with her, I've no reason to doubt her veracity.

GVC was alone at Carlos and Charlies that night keeping mostly to himself. She could only remember him saying hello to one other person passing by that night in the club. After some initial eye contact, it was she who approached GVC. He immediately appeared to open up.

One item of possible interest, he told her that he worked during the day taking tourists out on a Catamaran. While I have no way of ascertaining it was the same catamaran, I do recall photos taken by the Mountain Brook students showing that they did take such a trip.

GVC struck her as something of a self promoter, constantly talking about himself, his many connections and his family's supposed wealth. She also recalled seeing images of some famous individuals he had stored in his cell phone, noting that GVC did not appear with those people in said pictures. Still, he insisted they were friends.

On another night, she may have been less receptive to the seemingly brash young man, but she found him attractive, she was on vacation and the two eventually danced. She indicated that there were no drugs involved, though both were drinking. At some point, GVC offered her a ride to her hotel and a male friend of the young woman went along.

GVC did apparently brag about being involved with security, trying to exert some pressure on a hotel guard to acknowledge who he was. The guard apparently failed to acknowledge him in any significant manner. She believes he was driving a jeep at the time, possibly blue and that he also mentioned a recent or pending purchase of a truck, color unknown.

Back at her hotel, it was decided that he would leave behind his ID and possibly some other wallet contents with her friends as security before the two went back out alone together. They spent approximately a half an hour or so together, primarily on the beach. The only potentially unusual thing she noticed during their time on the beach was that he might have been a bit nervous, looking about - at one point claiming he saw a security guard coming. She could not see a guard.

After some time on the beach his cell phone started ringing but he did not answer it. She believes it rang several times in succession, possibly as many as seven times. When she inquired about the calls, he stated that it was his Mother and that he had to get home. He kept reiterating, he had to go. She was puzzled at this as she believed him to be 19 years old at the time.

After a night of being extremely talkative, mostly about himself, she did eventually ask him in a casual way about the Natalee Holloway case. She feels very strongly that it was at that point his demeanor significantly changed. He almost completely stopped talking while the two were walking, swiftly now, back to her hotel.

She asked a few different questions ... if he knew of the case, of those involved, what was it that he thought. But he did not answer any of those questions, or change the topic. He mostly just stopped talking at all. They returned to her hotel, a friend brought down his things and that was the last she saw of him until his recent arrest. She felt he all but took off running, likely related to the phone calls, as he left.

Later after leaving the island, the interaction did leave her with a strange feeling, mostly because of his sudden silence when the topic of Natalee Holloway came up. Unsure if it meant anything, or not, eventually she did call the FBI. She gave them what information she could as regards the encounter, much of which I have now relayed here.

It remains unclear what, if any connection GVC has to the Holloway case. But at least one individual who spent some time with the boy soon after the disappearance was troubled enough about his demeanor simply talking about the case to make a call to the FBI.

I have agreed to keep her identity secret.


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According to what Holloway's friends have told authorities, the blond-haired, blue-eyed van Cromvoirt was seen with their classmate after she left van der Sloot - the pals say they saw them in the Holiday Inn casino together. But when the casino's video surveillance tapes were turned over to police, investigators could find no sign of Holloway and van Cromvoirt, the source noted.

Van Cromvoirt's father is the security expert in charge of video surveillance at the hotel.

Aruban authorities are also scrutinizing a surveillance tape taken earlier on May 30 that shows Holloway arguing with a light-haired young man in a jewelry store in the Wyndham Hotel, according to the source.



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« Reply #341 on: March 28, 2008, 03:59:31 PM »

one more question:

Who help the Texas AquuSearch team when in Aruba. Either with food or lodging or with someting. who is this person or enterprise.

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« Reply #342 on: March 28, 2008, 04:06:03 PM »

Good day monkys,

Do any one of you have the PV's of SVG

Who is the person that testify he was with them that night?

I need the names or something.

If there is a testimonial than we have the key of the Alibi.

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Steve Croes was providing the alibi for the Kalpoes and Joran.  He volunteered himself at a time when the Holiday Inn story was no longer viable.  Of course, that made no sense...so they arrested Croes on June 17, the OM said it was because of something one of the three men had said about Croes or his whereabouts.  It was reported that Croes was at CnC that night.  He was supposed to be on the Tattoo guarding it according to his boss at the time. 

Steve Croes gave a statement on Jun 15 and by June 17 he was being interrogated. IN between those two dates several people were questioned including the Gottenbos, Freddy,Jaime, Joran's girlfriend and various other people associated with the hotels. It appears from what I can deduce that ALE was trying to decide id Croes was actually part of the crime or not. 
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« Reply #343 on: March 28, 2008, 04:15:27 PM »

Good day monkys,

Do any one of you have the PV's of SVG

Who is the person that testify he was with them that night?

I need the names or something.

If there is a testimonial than we have the key of the Alibi.

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Steve Croes was providing the alibi for the Kalpoes and Joran.  He volunteered himself at a time when the Holiday Inn story was no longer viable.  Of course, that made no sense...so they arrested Croes on June 17, the OM said it was because of something one of the three men had said about Croes or his whereabouts.  It was reported that Croes was at CnC that night.  He was supposed to be on the Tattoo guarding it according to his boss at the time. 

Steve Croes gave a statement on Jun 15 and by June 17 he was being interrogated. IN between those two dates several people were questioned including the Gottenbos, Freddy,Jaime, Joran's girlfriend and various other people associated with the hotels. It appears from what I can deduce that ALE was trying to decide id Croes was actually part of the crime or not. 

Here is a Key, If he was on the Tatto working, he could not be in C&C

If he was on the Tatto he could not be part to hear the tree fall unless he did not go to work that night.

If he was in C&C and was part of the game and saw what happend and then swith from perp to witness by singing a higher person that was also in the game.

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« Reply #344 on: March 28, 2008, 04:18:18 PM »

Good day monkys,

Do any one of you have the PV's of SVG

Who is the person that testify he was with them that night?

I need the names or something.

If there is a testimonial than we have the key of the Alibi.

CAPS


Steve Croes was providing the alibi for the Kalpoes and Joran.  He volunteered himself at a time when the Holiday Inn story was no longer viable.  Of course, that made no sense...so they arrested Croes on June 17, the OM said it was because of something one of the three men had said about Croes or his whereabouts.  It was reported that Croes was at CnC that night.  He was supposed to be on the Tattoo guarding it according to his boss at the time. 

Steve Croes gave a statement on Jun 15 and by June 17 he was being interrogated. IN between those two dates several people were questioned including the Gottenbos, Freddy,Jaime, Joran's girlfriend and various other people associated with the hotels. It appears from what I can deduce that ALE was trying to decide id Croes was actually part of the crime or not. 

Here is a Key, If he was on the Tatto working, he could not be in C&C

If he was on the Tatto he could not be part to hear the tree fall unless he did not go to work that night.

If he was in C&C and was part of the game and saw what happend and then swith from perp to witness by singing a higher person that was also in the game.



My point exactly!
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« Reply #345 on: March 28, 2008, 04:56:47 PM »

Let look at the process for the securing of a perp..

if some one commits a crime, the police gets and together with the investigator, go to the prosecuter who will give order for an arrest if they find sufficient proof of wrong doing. they will have 2 x 24 hr to bring you to the prosecuter office to see you face to face and where he will tell you about the case and will asked you right there if you like to add anything to what the have.

After seen the Prosecuter, the perp is walked back to the court house where he will meet with the Judge commissaries and he will then tell you about what the prosecuter have on you and based on the documentation he has read, There are sufficient grounds to hold you for 2 more day. In these 2 more days the investigators will seek more information to fill the case.

After the two more days, they will take you again to the Judge commissaries,where he will let you go or give you 2 more day to sit in the prison while they investigate.

on the 8 day they will send you a paper stating that based what they have, your time will be extended to 10 more day.
etc.

Now the only person that could couch them around the pool must be a Prosecuter or a Judge. We know that around the pool that Paules was not there. Then this leave me with either some other Judge that is in the public all the time or some one that rule form his hideaway. Most likely one that rule from the hideaway and that is Dirtyhand.

He is the one that need to build the case to bring it in front of the Judge Commissaries.

All this happend allways with a Judge Commissaries.

A Real Judge the perps will face on the day of the trail.

So the process goes like this

Perp --> investigator   (Here perp will hire a legal Counsel)

Investigator ---> prosecuter

Prosecuter <---> Judge Commissaries

Note: The Judge Commissaries acts on what the prosecutor present his rules are either Freedom or Extension of incarseration

Note after 10 days in cell, perp will be transported to KIA.

while in KIA, Investigators will investigate and report to Prosecuter

On the day of trail, The prosecuter present his case, Judge will listen and Lawyer to defend you.

at the end its either freedom or punishment.


So ,who was the prosecuter that presented the case or better yet, who was the persecutor that all of them faced on day 2 ? Name. I will bet is Duedecom.


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« Reply #346 on: March 28, 2008, 06:35:08 PM »

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hmmmm not sure who this is......

 The Tragic Untold Story of Natalee Holloway and Corruption in Paradise
page 29

Meanwhile, the search continued. We did what we could to cover the island, The Aruban government was doing some minimal searching, and Equusearch had the boats and dogs.  The Aruban police asked the  Equusearch team to send divers behind the van der Sloot home. Apparently, a body had been found in there many years earlier. We had a meeting with the press and Equusearch, and everyone agreed that only one reporter would be present during this search,but not everyone attended that meeting.  Some other members of the news media showed up during the search and were asked to leave, but they refused saying that it was their country and public property.  There was a heated confrontation and police were called in to rope off the area so the search could continue.  The seaarch dogs did not come up with a hit.
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« Reply #347 on: March 28, 2008, 06:36:20 PM »

More from Bleachedblack:

The Tragic Untold Story of Natalee Holloway and Corruption in Paradise
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     On September 19, 2005, I met with Taylor Northrop.  The Aruban government hired him mainly for damage control.  He was working with the Strategic Communications Task Force which was comprised of approximately thirteen members of the community, including government spokesperson Rueben Trappenburg, Rob Smith of the Aruba Hospitality & Security Foundation, and other business leaders.  Taylor thanked me for the press interview I had given denouncing the boycott and advised me that it made his job easier.  He said he was hoping that I would be working with everyone rather than promoting a boycott. I gave him some of the information that I had brought with me, and he was numbed by it.  It involved tips that I had received on my Web site.

      Taylor is from Fort Lauderdale, Florida, and he was the one who had told me of the prime minister"s attempt to have van der Stratten removed from Natalee's case.  Taylor also informed me that the reason Jossy Mansur had changed his position about having the FBI brought in was because the case had blown up in the press.

      Taylor went on to add that he was involved in the media decisions when Joran, Deepak and Satish were granted their freedom.  It was due to the members of the Strategic Communications Task Force that the media was invited and that their release had taken place during daylight hours to avoid suspicion.  I had to take that bit of information with a grain of salt.  The media may have been in Aruba for the suspects release, but I doubt that their contacts in the United States did not inform them that the number one story was Hurricane Katrina.

      Taylor asked if there was anything he could do to return the favor I did by speaking out against the boycott.  The following issue immediately came to mind.  Tim Miller from Texas Equusearch had contacted me regarding a proposed search of the landfill.  A previous attempt to search it had been made; however, there proper equipment was not available.  Tim offered to bring in his own equipment and team to Aruba to clear the area.  He indicated that the search would not disrupt the flow of refuse to the dump and that any displaced refuse would be returned to its original condition.  In other words, what they dug up would be reburied.  Also, he assured me that there would be no cost to Aruba for this effort.  Tim said he would need the necessary permits to unload a tractor-trailer and the digging equipment at the port in addition to a permit to enter the landfill and any other permits that would be necessary.
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« Reply #348 on: March 28, 2008, 06:37:41 PM »

Just posting this here too:

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Am I thinking housing at Brickle Bay???

I believe they did stay at Brickle Bay. Of course we all know that is owned by Michael Posner. I will never forget when they searched the Moko and Arubans and Foreign press were throwing rocks at them and yelling obsentities. I was  also pretty angry when Dan Riehl  blasted TES back in July/Aug 2005 claiming they were drunking idiots.
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Am I thinking housing at Brickle Bay???
# The Brickell Bay Beach Club - Aruba
# John W. Fisk Co. Insurance
# Underwriters: Great American Insurance Co.
# Texas de Brazil
# The Wyndham - Aruba Resort, Spa and Casino
# Eduardo y Elaiza Roubicek
# S E Aruba Fly and Dive
# Red Sail Sports Aruba
# Aruban Search and Rescue

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Thanks to all the monkeys!!!  You did good!!




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« Reply #351 on: March 28, 2008, 08:52:06 PM »

Anyone have any ideas what the third act maybe?

59.   Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
The elder agreed to speak, but he he loves the boy too much. The knows the passages of the palace too well. So the Babylonians must make sure the check mate is iron-clad.
Something rotten from The Hague will have to make the third act play out.
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This is mentioned in both simians and merians posts at a time DNA evidence is being examined or results of DNA investigation are comming in.

In Siminans post he is refering to (I believe) Dna results coming back from the hague (from the june 15th sloot house search.

In Merians post:

Merian Ernest Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 2:53 pm Post subject: Phidippides
The question is if there will be end to the journey? Her fate is no worse than the secret contained in Richard Drew marvel.

Third acts have no upside.

Also DNA results of the duct tape and the blond hairs (Richard Drew was a guy working for the 3M company and he invented adhesive tape)

Also: any ideas who the "her" as in "her fate is no worse than the secret .... etc" is? This is a weird statement as the DNA results could not have been known to anyone at that date.

From SM frontpage july 21:

For the Duct tape and possibly other evidence to reach as fast as possible to the State Laboratory, … it was decided that the sealed evidence will be transported by the Head Prosecutor Mrs. Karin Jansen who boarded the flight to the Netherlands.

Third act suggests a play (could be Hamlet "something rotten in the state of Denmark" or maybe just a conviction?)

TIA

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Anyone have any ideas what the third act maybe?

59.   Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
The elder agreed to speak, but he he loves the boy too much. The knows the passages of the palace too well. So the Babylonians must make sure the check mate is iron-clad.
Something rotten from The Hague will have to make the third act play out.
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This is mentioned in both simians and merians posts at a time DNA evidence is being examined or results of DNA investigation are comming in.

In Siminans post he is refering to (I believe) Dna results coming back from the hague (from the june 15th sloot house search.

In Merians post:

Merian Ernest Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 2:53 pm Post subject: Phidippides
The question is if there will be end to the journey? Her fate is no worse than the secret contained in Richard Drew marvel.

Third acts have no upside.

Also DNA results of the duct tape and the blond hairs (Richard Drew was a guy working for the 3M company and he invented adhesive tape)

Also: any ideas who the "her" as in "her fate is no worse than the secret .... etc" is? This is a weird statement as the DNA results could not have been known to anyone at that date.

From SM frontpage july 21:

For the Duct tape and possibly other evidence to reach as fast as possible to the State Laboratory, … it was decided that the sealed evidence will be transported by the Head Prosecutor Mrs. Karin Jansen who boarded the flight to the Netherlands.

Third act suggests a play (could be Hamlet "something rotten in the state of Denmark" or maybe just a conviction?)

TIA



Mum had mentioned something about duct tape and a witness (as told in Juron's book).  I posted a reply on pg. 13 of the Lively.  Iwill repost but it might get screwed up.  This is from a June 20. 2005 post on the amigoe forum??? Same time frame.

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Rob...you reminded me of a post I made in the Shango thread yesterday. Do you recall anything about this? The protected witness, I mean?...TIA

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Find something new every time I read that book translation...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1097.0

P332

Also, an FBI "protected witness", an American called "Mr X", meets Deepak in July 2005 in the Internet café wehre Deepak works.

Deepak tells X: “I see what’s going on and I know much more. I’m certain that Natalee is no longer on the island.” He also says something that contradicts that: “When they find the duct-tape with Natalee’s hair on it, then I’ll go to jail", which is strange because they did find hair with duct tape but it wasn't Natalee's.
 
 



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I don't remember seeing that, in the book.  I did save a post from an old amigoe.com/forum.  Now I wonder if the duct tape did have evidence that got put in a "hidey hole".   

Posted by Carlton June 20, 2005

Beste mensen,

Van betrouwbare bronnen heb ik begrepen dat er op die tape de volgende dingen te vinden waren:

3 blonde haren (volgens DNA van Holloway)
7 zwarte haren(sluik haar, 2 verschillende eigenaren, eogenaren onbekend)
2 blonde haren (onbekend)
6 spermacellen (vooralsnog onbekend)
restanten van wat "lichaamsvocht" zou zijn geweest (bevestigd Holloway)
1 fragment roest (waarschijnlijk van een anker)
1 stukje vis
1 onderlegger met de text: "Ca....s & .har...s"
wat zand

Op basis hiervan denkt de politie de verdwijning spoedig te kunnen oplossen.


Google translation:


Dear people,

From reliable sources, I understand that in this tape the following things to be found were:

3 blonde hair (according DNA of Holloway)
7 black hair (sluik hair, 2 different owners, eogenaren unknown)
2 blonde hair (unknown)
6 sperm (currently unknown)
Remnants of what "body fluid" would have been (confirmed Holloway)
1 fragment rust (probably an anchor)
1 piece of fish
1 onderlegger with the text: "Ca .... s &. Har ... s"
What sand

On this basis the police believe the disappearance soon to be resolved.

 

http://www.amigoe.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=002050;p=29
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« Reply #353 on: March 28, 2008, 10:54:59 PM »

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My point was, these girls drugged these boys and then they were brought to this place for toucher.
The girls thought is was fun.
For sick peoples pleasures to do with them as pleased.
one guy said "I paid good money for her.
I bet this goes on a lot.



 

There is a Hostel and and two.  They put me in mind of this case.  How about the dog tattoo.  Two is even more strange.   j/b
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Am I thinking housing at Brickle Bay???
# The Brickell Bay Beach Club - Aruba
# John W. Fisk Co. Insurance
# Underwriters: Great American Insurance Co.
# Texas de Brazil
# The Wyndham - Aruba Resort, Spa and Casino
# Eduardo y Elaiza Roubicek
# S E Aruba Fly and Dive
# Red Sail Sports Aruba
# Aruban Search and Rescue

http://tinyurl.com/39fh7c
  What I picked up he knows the passages of the Palace too well is:
PVS knows the law and his connections within the palace too well and the babylonians will have to make sure their case is air tight before they can try and win the case or on the other hand they will have to make sure the coverup is air tight or there might be a trial and a win from the opposers.  j/b
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Am I thinking housing at Brickle Bay???
# The Brickell Bay Beach Club - Aruba
# John W. Fisk Co. Insurance
# Underwriters: Great American Insurance Co.
# Texas de Brazil
# The Wyndham - Aruba Resort, Spa and Casino
# Eduardo y Elaiza Roubicek
# S E Aruba Fly and Dive
# Red Sail Sports Aruba
# Aruban Search and Rescue

http://tinyurl.com/39fh7c
  What I picked up he knows the passages of the Palace too well is:
PVS knows the law and his connections within the palace too well and the babylonians will have to make sure their case is air tight before they can try and win the case or on the other hand they will have to make sure the coverup is air tight or there might be a trial and a win from the opposers.  j/b

That Richard Drew Marvel statement probably she, as well as the evidence was switched.  Could they have switched girls and she was kept inside C & C until everyone was gone and they doubled back?  I believe those tending bar know EXACTLY what happened.  That was just a thought.  A wild one at that.  j/b
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« Reply #356 on: March 29, 2008, 01:14:15 AM »

Good day monkys,

Do any one of you have the PV's of SVG

Who is the person that testify he was with them that night?

I need the names or something.

If there is a testimonial than we have the key of the Alibi.

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Steve Croes was providing the alibi for the Kalpoes and Joran.  He volunteered himself at a time when the Holiday Inn story was no longer viable.  Of course, that made no sense...so they arrested Croes on June 17, the OM said it was because of something one of the three men had said about Croes or his whereabouts.  It was reported that Croes was at CnC that night.  He was supposed to be on the Tattoo guarding it according to his boss at the time. 

Steve Croes gave a statement on Jun 15 and by June 17 he was being interrogated. IN between those two dates several people were questioned including the Gottenbos, Freddy,Jaime, Joran's girlfriend and various other people associated with the hotels. It appears from what I can deduce that ALE was trying to decide id Croes was actually part of the crime or not. 

Picked this up for you.  Hope it helps: j/b

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I have NO idea if the poster is for real, or if this is some kind of spoof or Internet hoax, but it seemed interesting to me. There is someone who claims to be in contact with Steve Croes grandmother, who says that Steve saw all four of them on the beach arguing.....

From Riehl World View:

Alec, as you can see now, I was telling truth about contact in Aruba. My contact had contacted Croes grandma (who he lives with), and I knew the story that Croes had told his grandma. If you are following the news....

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1446077/replies?c=1
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« Reply #357 on: March 29, 2008, 05:39:50 PM »

What happens in Act III (Resolution)?

Climax (Second Culmination)--The point at which the plot reaches its maximum tension and the forces in opposition confront each other at a peak of physical or emotional action.
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« Reply #358 on: March 30, 2008, 10:45:19 AM »

Was reading around this morning and noticed arubagirl's website had two new postings after none since 2006.  This caught my eye:

Aruba Prime Minister nelson Orlando Oduber is the father, mother and the son of corruptions. PG Prosecutor Lugo Elivia LUGO LUGO is the monster of Aruba Justice AND SHE IS CORRUPT, PG Prosecutor Teresa Diana Croes Fernandes Pedra is corrupt she has DIRTY DIRTY HANDS Rudy Croes Hyacintho Rudolfo Croes is the most corrupt Minister of Justice that Aruba have seen in his Political history.
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Posted by: Carlos Severino Tromp | March 22, 2008 at 02:48 PM
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http://arubagirl.typepad.com/lost_in_smallness/2005/10/there_was_an_el.html
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« Reply #359 on: March 30, 2008, 11:26:42 AM »

Was reading around this morning and noticed arubagirl's website had two new postings after none since 2006.  This caught my eye:

Aruba Prime Minister nelson Orlando Oduber is the father, mother and the son of corruptions. PG Prosecutor Lugo Elivia LUGO LUGO is the monster of Aruba Justice AND SHE IS CORRUPT, PG Prosecutor Teresa Diana Croes Fernandes Pedra is corrupt she has DIRTY DIRTY HANDS Rudy Croes Hyacintho Rudolfo Croes is the most corrupt Minister of Justice that Aruba have seen in his Political history.
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Posted by: Carlos Severino Tromp | March 22, 2008 at 02:48 PM
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http://arubagirl.typepad.com/lost_in_smallness/2005/10/there_was_an_el.html


Check the front page of SM, this person (Carlos Severino Tromp) has been recently posting the same stuff there.
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