SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2

[bleachedblack]

According to this source Carlos Ramos was from Cartegena Columbia.

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RAMOS, Carlos Alberto Penata (2-25-79, Cartagena, Columbia) - the gardner witness who claims to have seen 3 boys in Deepak’s car on the dirt road by the pond at the Racquet Club on 5-30-05 at approximately 2:30 AM. Identifies Joran in front seat, Deepak in passenger seat, and unidentified male in rear seat. Claims passenger has hand up besides face, and the driver (identified as Joran) is sitting far back in the seat. His employer was Eric Mansur.

http://tinyurl.com/2m4am3

[Blonde]

PROCESS – VERBAL

I, Shaniro Baldrik KELLY, sergeant at the Korps Police force Aruba and at the investigative district classified 2, explain the following.

On Tuesday, July 26, 2005 around 17:30, I, KELLY showed, at the police force guard North, to the witness C.A. PENATA RAMOS, the seized gray Honda Civic belonging to the suspect D.S. KALPOE.

The car became of interest in the search of the missing girl Natalee Holloway and was intentionally seized.

C.A. PENATA RAMOS explained thereby this:

I recognize the car which you now show me as the car in which I had seen the three boys on the night of Monday. It is the car in which I had spoken in my declaration.

W.n.g.C.A. PENATA RAMOS

After I, KELLY, read the declaration of the witness to him in Spanish, he explained that he would not sign it.

He explained that he will grant no further collaboration to the police force.

Of which by me, KELLY, on oath of office made up this warrant which has been closed and has been signed at Bubali on 26 July 2005.

Signed,

S.B. KELLY

are we shure about his name. He must be colombian and I think his real name is

Eugenio Fabian Davila Ramos.

He is from colombia.

The one that is on the PV he is colombian but from which part.?

Cali, Bogota, Medellin, Baranquilla, etc.

from what city is he from colombia?

Carlos Alberto PENATA RAMOS,

Also known as "Compa", born at Cartagena in Colombia on February 25, 1979, of profession handyman (family MANSUR) and living L.G. Smith boulevard xxxxxxxxxx on Aruba, by the judge-commissar Mr. J.S. KUIPERDAL at the Court bldg. at J.G. Emanstraat number 51 on Aruba, as witness in the matter of the missing American girl named "Natalee Ann HOLLOWAY".

http://www.hollowaycase.com/

[COLOMBO]

bumping......

http://www.ipsn.org/lolli1.html

Acting through his underboss, Rocco Ernest Infelise, head of one of the largest "street crews" in Chicago, Ferriola directed Jahoda to lure 51-year-old Robert Heyden Plummer to the outfit's elegantly appointed "Murder Mansion" in northern Libertyville Township. The secluded Lake County mansion in the woods once belonged to a local millionaire, Bruce Rouse, and his wife, Darlene, until they were brutally murdered in 1980. Their case was never solved. The mob bought up acreage and spent $50,000 converting the former residence into a high stakes  casino (ca$ino) that employed eighteen full-time people (all are well fed) to accommodate the gambling high rollers (ROLLERS) and fun- loving clientele who parked their cars in the rear. Reportedly, the outfit raked in $400,000 for just fifteen nights of casino gambling (of gold bricks). According to Jahoda, political protection was supplied by former Lake County Sheriff Tom Brown, whose elected term spanned 1978 - 1982.

The Murder Mansion was an appropriate setting for what Rocky Infelise had in mind. He told the skittish Jahoda a few short hours before a well-planned murder to lead the unsuspecting Bobby Plummer up the flight of stairs to the second-floor casino and "just keep going." Plummer was a "revenue collector" (all they knew was written down) for Ferriola, and a gambler of long standing in the northern suburbs. He also operated the Front Runner Messenger Service, a horse-betting parlor in Highwood belonging to Michael Posner, a protégé of Ferriola and a kingpin (lord) in Lake County mob vice operations. Plummer, of north suburban Lake Forest, was attacked on the stairway and savagely beaten to death. His body was found in the trunk of his wife's Lincoln Continental in a Mundelein Holiday Inn parking lot. Jahoda still cannot forget the horrible death cries of Plummer as he was dispatched from this world.

[CapsLockWizard]

lets make it simple.

I need a list of all that was a suspect in the Natalee case including top offecials that left the Island.

that will make the search of the party-goe-es easy. and that like to gambel. Their was an illegal casino that night in cuestion. Gambling for the Elite.

So that night when the Aruba population was being entertain by this Soul Beach Festival, The elites are beeing entertained by this iligal Casino Gambling party where they mest contracted several casino workers depend what table they have. and some waiters.

I don't know where this illegal casino was held. What makes it illegal?
But when you say gambling the name that comes to mind is Posner. From what I have heard he did indeed leave the island (for mexico?) shortly after Natalee went missing.
Was this illegal casino held in an already existing casino ie Excelsior? Sorry asking more questions than I am answering.

good question... I guess if you want a high roller table they will give you one if your credit line is good or high enough. I have seen roped off tables at the Hyatt.

In an "illegal" game you would be playing against other players and in a game at the Excelsior you would be playing against the house and that income is taxable.

The Excelsior payout is guaranteed and an "illegal" game may not be.

Rob check this out.

at the end of 2004 there was $250,000.00 wire transfer via local bank -1 from the Excelsior Casino to a bank in Hong Kong then there was another $350.000.00 wire transfer from the same casino via bank-2 to another bank in Hong Kong.

The way the transfer was done is that someone falsificate the signature of the director and mistireosly build this swift code and wrote the wire transfer instruction and supposly have faxed it into the fax machine of the banks.

The money were gone after someone picked up the money from the banks in Hong Kong.

[SS]

BB so Ramos never signed the declaration...why? he is the one that came forward... or did he? did someone put those words in his mouth?

http://arubansecrets.blogspot.com/2005/07/does-julia-renfro-have-vested-interest.html

Check this page out.  They are claiming that Renfro is the one who reported the gardener information to Van Der Stratten because it was her gardener.  Rob, do you think that the gardener was a diversion?  How is Eric Mansur involved - was he gambling that night?

SS I don't see where it says the gardener was Julia's? Is this the paragraph of information that you are referring to?

Do you want to guess who the gardener works for? The boss that he told about the suspicious car and the 3 young men hiding in it on the night Natalee disappeared? Can you imagine why this native Aruban was afraid to come forward when his boss said that she would inform her good friend the Chief Police Commissioner.

BB - take a loot at the page in the link.  It's very anti Julia Renfro.

While I'm sending this response to BB, I am noticing something else very strange about the quote.  It specifically refers to the gardener as being a native Aruban.  Something is very wrong with this gardener story.  Is he Colombian or Aruban?  Did he work for Julia or Eric?  Is his name Carlos?  This gardener story is not good.

[CapsLockWizard]

According to this source Carlos Ramos was from Cartegena Columbia.

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RAMOS, Carlos Alberto Penata (2-25-79, Cartagena, Columbia) - the gardner witness who claims to have seen 3 boys in Deepak’s car on the dirt road by the pond at the Racquet Club on 5-30-05 at approximately 2:30 AM. Identifies Joran in front seat, Deepak in passenger seat, and unidentified male in rear seat. Claims passenger has hand up besides face, and the driver (identified as Joran) is sitting far back in the seat. His employer was Eric Mansur.

http://tinyurl.com/2m4am3

I beth they left to colombia already or they are still on aruba

[bleachedblack]

Thanks for the headsup SS. I have only heard that the gardener worked for Eric Mansur , never Julia. I remember hearing he couldn't sleep he was to hot so he decided to get up and go over to his employers house? Oh well, it is strange. Wasn't the story similar for the guy that allegedly found the condom on the beach? Sounds like there is little that would go unwitnessed in Aruba at night as there are gardeners, security guards, chollers and black guards all prowling around at night.....

[bleachedblack]

According to this source Carlos Ramos was from Cartegena Columbia.

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RAMOS, Carlos Alberto Penata (2-25-79, Cartagena, Columbia) - the gardner witness who claims to have seen 3 boys in Deepak’s car on the dirt road by the pond at the Racquet Club on 5-30-05 at approximately 2:30 AM. Identifies Joran in front seat, Deepak in passenger seat, and unidentified male in rear seat. Claims passenger has hand up besides face, and the driver (identified as Joran) is sitting far back in the seat. His employer was Eric Mansur.

http://tinyurl.com/2m4am3

I beth they left to colombia already or they are still on aruba

I bet they left for Columbia real quick too, seeing those Columbian necktie / Pitbull/ suicide hangings probably made the message real clear regarding giving info about this case.....(not sure Pitbull had anything to do with Natalee's case, but was clearly a message to someone).

[Kermit]

[SS]

According to this, Julia Renfro had nothing to do with the gardener.

http://arubansecrets.blogspot.com/2005/07/does-julia-renfro-have-vested-interest.html

The first was introduced to us by Jossy Mansur the managing editor of Diario Aruba. According to his report on the Greta VanSustern show, one of his investigators learned of this witness after a domino game at KIA prison. When an inmate playing againt one of the Kalpoe brothers said "my gardener saw you at the raquet club on the night the girl disappeared between 2:30 and 3:00 AM." Per Mr. Mansur, the reporter tracked down the gardener that was afraid to come forward for at least 3 weeks to say that he was driving home and saw the car parked with the lights off. He almost hit the car and slowed enough to see Joran in the driver seat lean over to hide, One Kalpoe in the front passengerseat and one Kalpoe in the back try to hide, he did not see Natalee. The witness was finally convinced to come forward last night.

And the story gets better...

Wood began chatting up photographers, stringers, and reporters. The most intriguing lead, he decided, was a rumor that one of the Kalpoe brothers had confessed to killing Natalee—sort of—to a fellow prisoner while in the Aruban jail. The prisoner had heard that a relative's gardener, named Cumpa, had seen Joran and the Kalpoes burying Natalee's body in a vacant lot near the Marriott. When the Kalpoe brother was told the story, he supposedly went ashen and flipped over the dominoes they were playing with. Wood spent most of July tracking the elusive Cumpa. There were stories that he had fled to Venezuela, that he had disappeared, that he might have been killed.

http://judicial-inc.biz/Jjj.Oran_vanity_fair__accomplices.htm

and here's a third version in reference to Jossy Mansur...

He's on FOX, MSNBC, and CNN (NG's show) almost every night.

He's reported a whole litany of things...don't know where to start LOL

He did "report" the rentention pond witness. Just so happens that witness is the gardener of a friend of his.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-27205.html

How could it be a sworn statement before the judge.  It was never signed.

TWITTY: Well, I hope that they see that now Joran has not only changed the pickup from being Deepak to Satish. And they need to go back, Nancy, go back to August, go back when the gardener`s statement was given before the judge of instruction, sworn testimony, the defense, the prosecutor, Deepak, Satish, and Joran.

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2006/03/natalee_hollowa_6.html

Oh, my...

When a park ranger found a piece of duct tape with a strand of blond hair, it became major international news. Talk shows deemed it crucial evidence. The hair turned out to belong to a local wave-boarder out surfing.

An arm found off the coast of Venezuela was treated with similar scrutiny. The dubious testimony of two supposed witnesses - a gardener and a homeless man - is endlessly debated.

One witness led authorities to drain two salt ponds, disturbing a flock of nesting egrets. Journalists clambering for a view accidentally broke a water main, reflooding one pond. The day after the pipe was fixed, reporters broke it again.

http://www.sptimes.com/2005/08/22/Worldandnation/From_paradise_to_para.shtml

Ok, Who is the gardener and what did he see?  The whole thing is probably nonsense and a diversion.

[Kermit]

[bleachedblack]

SOCORRO, Sierra Varqas Marciana del – Excelsior Casino Supervisor interviewed by ALE on6-27-05

Wonder where this guys statement went? Why didn't they get a statement from Posner?

[SS]

BB so Ramos never signed the declaration...why? he is the one that came forward... or did he? did someone put those words in his mouth?

http://arubansecrets.blogspot.com/2005/07/does-julia-renfro-have-vested-interest.html

Check this page out.  They are claiming that Renfro is the one who reported the gardener information to Van Der Stratten because it was her gardener.  Rob, do you think that the gardener was a diversion?  How is Eric Mansur involved - was he gambling that night?

Hi SS, I'll just say I have never totally trusted the Mansurs. I think Jossy has his issues and we all know about Luis and the rest of the clan. Hard to know who's screwing who here...they all have their vendettas.

and your take?

Rob,  At this point, I really don't know what to think.  Like everyone here and the Holloways, I want to be appreciative of all that Jossy has done and I want to see him as a good guy.  After reading his background of crime and corruption though, I can see that he is probably very capable of misleading Beth and Dave and sabotaging the entire search especially if exposure would be detrimental to his special interests like drugs, gambling, and money laundering.  These things have obviously been very lucrative for the Harms and Mansur families.  I don't want to think that he's involved, but is that niave?

[texasmom]

Hi everyone!
I have scanned very quickly to catch up.  The discussion about "THE NEWS", I knew I'd read something about a "Margaret" that worked at  a paper called "THE NEWS".  If this has already been posted please just overlook my fast reading, I missed it, lol.


Welcome Back Margaret!

I know I for one have missed your expertise!

Any updates on your plans for getting "THE NEWS" online? A lot of people are really frustrated by the manner in which Aruba Today has switched over their online version, poor format and last but not least, lack of timely updates. We need a breath of fresh "NEWS".

http://www.aruba.com/forum/f7/favorite-free-aruba-newspaper-27300/#post92619
Quote:
Originally Posted by margaret wever 
Hi everyone!
FYI: I am not voting on this one, as proud as I am of our paper and as confident as I am in our product, I still believe it would not be ethical and very unfair for me to participate at voting on this survey.
I am taking the opportunity to say Masha Masha Danki to all who enjoy THE NEWS and have expressed it here and also to say thank you for your observations which will only benefit the product and its content that we proudly offer you while you are on the island.
And what made me really answer on this post: I am writing - after seeing the many remarks - to say that we aim to have a website running sometime in the very very near future.
And as sincere as I am: I should tell you that I too enjoy most reading up on "Aruba" in English online on Amigoe.com when I am off-island.
Sunny regards, Margaret
_____________________________________________________________

Appearing in the Trade Register of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry in ARUBA since 9 OCTOBER 1987 under serial number 6848.0 is the company with the trade name:
 
 
THE NEWS N.V.     
Business address ITALIËSTRAAT 5, ORANJESTAD WEST 
Legal form  LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY 
Name of the company  THE NEWS N.V. 
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Date of incorporation  30 SEPTEMBER 1987 
     
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DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD: 
 
SCHOUTEN, GERARDUS JOHANNES; 
Residing in  STADIONWEG 6, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA 
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Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  30 SEPTEMBER 1987 
Authority  FULL 
   
SCHOUTEN-BLANCHARD, MARIE; 
Residing in  STADIONWEG 6, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA 
Born in  FRANCE, SAINT BARTHOLOMY on 29 SEPTEMBER 1920 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  30 SEPTEMBER 1987 
Authority  FULL 
   
WEVER-SCHOUTEN, SONIA; 
Residing in  VICTOR HUGOSTRAAT 6, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 28 JANUARY 1946 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  2 NOVEMBER 1987 
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OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY 
 
HET UITGEVEN EN EXPLOITEREN VAN DAGBLADEN EN ANDERE PERIODIEKEN. 
   
Only valid if accordingly signed by the Chamber of Commerce & Industry Aruba - J.E. Irausquin Blvd.10, Oranjestad, Aruba. 

[texasmom]

This is the link where the "Welcome back Margaret" quote came from:
sorry, got in too big of a hurry, lol

 

http://www.aruba.com/forum/f7/welcome-back-margaret-28961/

[CapsLockWizard]

BB so Ramos never signed the declaration...why? he is the one that came forward... or did he? did someone put those words in his mouth?

http://arubansecrets.blogspot.com/2005/07/does-julia-renfro-have-vested-interest.html

Check this page out.  They are claiming that Renfro is the one who reported the gardener information to Van Der Stratten because it was her gardener.  Rob, do you think that the gardener was a diversion?  How is Eric Mansur involved - was he gambling that night?

Hi SS, I'll just say I have never totally trusted the Mansurs. I think Jossy has his issues and we all know about Luis and the rest of the clan. Hard to know who's screwing who here...they all have their vendettas.

and your take?

Rob,  At this point, I really don't know what to think.  Like everyone here and the Holloways, I want to be appreciative of all that Jossy has done and I want to see him as a good guy.  After reading his background of crime and corruption though, I can see that he is probably very capable of misleading Beth and Dave and sabotaging the entire search especially if exposure would be detrimental to his special interests like drugs, gambling, and money laundering.  These things have obviously been very lucrative for the Harms and Mansur families.  I don't want to think that he's involved, but is that niave?

Exactly my point... there is two of these News paper that are at war and I am not sure wich is most likely to deceive Beth.

but one of these two are and are connected to the mob word. but need to choose one.. I tested the varables and both fir the picture... must be somting else that I need to use to link the right paper... The Gardeners are mention only once and notting more. need Simian probably can shed some other info.

we need the party goers and one from the Oduber Cabinet was at the party. if it is the lowenstein as the lons then we can say that briezen was at the high roller game that night.

Need to feed the stomach....brb

[vms]

Caps,

Aruba Today would be the paper most likely to be friendly with MP...



Aruba Today- October 24th 2005

Michael Posner Contributes

Michael Posner contributes to Aruba's success. Palm Beach- Aruba continues to develop and expand as a popular travel destination ith the help of everyone in the industry. Over the past fifteen years Aruba has jumped onto the travel map as one of the top Caribbean destinations fpr vacations, events and business travel. There are a few people who in the last 10 years have added tremendously to Aruba's product with great success. American businessman Michael Posner saw an opportunity in the mid 90's to purchase the Holiday Inn Casino, although it was run down and on the brink of bankruptcy. Posner stepped in when the Holiday Inn Casino was in terrible condition with only 33 employees. He made a substantial investment into Aruba's product by renovating this deteriorating casino. Today the Excelsior Casino has over 140 employees, with all management positions filled by Arubans, and pays millions of dollars in taxes each year. Mr. Posner procured Aruba as the site for the World Poker Tournament for the past 4 years and many years into the future. This has created 20-30 million USD for the economy of Aruba and 5 million yearly in free advertising for Aruba's tourist industry. Posner also purchased and renovated the old Stauffer Hotel, which was considered at the time to be an eyesore to Palm Beach. He transformed the neglected hotel into the Brickell Bay Beach Club and today has over 100 employees, with all management level employment dedicated to Arubans. He recently delivered a genuine act of kindness by donating all the rooms for the Texas EquuSearch team to search for Natalee Holloway, at a cost of over 100,000. Posner has been a generous supporter of many charities in Aruba, even going so far as to send a sick Aruban child to Disney World with his mother as part of the "Make a wish Foundation". Aruba also thanks Posner for opening doors to potential new guest by making travel easier. He was directly responsible for bringing United Airlines to Aruba. Untied Airlines provides Aruba with 40,000 tourists and 300,000 hotel rooms annually. Posner received no payment for his services and was awarded the distinction of "Aruba's Goodwill Ambassador". Posner's contributions to Aruba's economy have been significant and greatly appreciated by the people. Besides all of humanitarian acts of kindness, he is also greatly appreciated for taking the reigns of failing businesses where no one else would and developing them into successful entities.

[bleachedblack]

One score Jossy might want to retaliate against.....

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Messrs. L. E. and J. Mansur (represented by Dr. Jan M. Sjöcrona and Mr. John H. van der Kuyp) v. the Netherlands, Communication No. 883/1999, U.N. Doc. CCPR/C/67/D/883/1999 (9 November 1999).
Messrs. L. E. and J. Mansur (represented by Dr. Jan M. Sjöcrona and Mr. John H. van der Kuyp) v. the Netherlands, Communication No. 883/1999, U.N. Doc. CCPR/C/67/D/883/1999 (9 November 1999).

Distr. RESTRICTED*

CCPR/C/67/D/883/1999

9 November 1999

Original: ENGLISH

HUMAN RIGHTS COMMITTEE

Sixty-seventh session

18 October - 5 November 1999

VIEWS

Submitted by: Messrs. L. E. and J. Mansur (represented by Dr. Jan M. Sjöcrona and Mr. John H. van der Kuyp)

Alleged victim: The authors

State party: The Netherlands

Date of the communication: 12 October 1999

Date of adoption of Views: 9 November 1999

On 9 November 1999, the Human Rights Committee adopted its Views under article 5, paragraph 4, of the Optional Protocol in respect of communication No. 883/1999. The text of the Views is appended to the present document.

[ANNEX]

ANNEX*

DECISIONS OF THE HUMAN RIGHTS COMMITTEE DECLARING COMMUNICATIONS INADMISSIBLE UNDER THE OPTIONAL PROTOCOL TO THE INTERNATIONAL COVENANT ON CIVIL AND POLITICAL RIGHTS

-Sixty-seventh session -

concerning

Communication No. 883/1999

Submitted by: Messrs. L. E. and J. Mansur (represented by Dr. Jan M. Sjöcrona and Mr. John H. van der Kuyp)

Alleged victim: The authors

State party: The Netherlands

Date of the communication: 12 October 1999

The Human Rights Committee, established under article 28 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights,

Meeting on 5 November 1999

Adopts the following:

Decision on admissibility

1. The authors of the communication are Luis Emilio Mansur and Jossy Mehsen Mansur, Dutch citizens who are residents of Aruba. They claim to be victims of violations by the Kingdom of the Netherlands of their rights under articles 2 and 17 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights. The victims are represented by Dr. Jan M. Sjöcrona of The Hague, the Netherlands and Mr. John H. Van der Kuyp of Oranjestad, Aruba.

The facts as submitted by the authorsThe facts as submitted by the authors

2.1 The authors are members of the business community in Aruba. Among other enterprises Luis Emilio Mansur is co-owner of a shipping company and Jossy Mehren Mansur is owner and editor-in-chief of a newspaper and co-owner of a trading company.

2.2 Under a Royal Decree of 22 October 1994 the Interim Head of Aruban Security Service, A. Koerten, was instructed to carry out an investigation into the security and integrity of Aruba. A report on this investigation was produced on 20 April 1995, entitled Security and Integrity of Aruba: Context and Perspective.

2.3 The report was issued as top secret and was sent to a limited number of state officials and institutions, named in the report.

2.4 The report draws a picture of security in Aruba and mentions that foreign services fighting crime in the region are Aalmost unanimous in their opinion that the predominant image of the Aruban business community is one of joint services towards (laundering specialists of) regional drug cartels.@ The report mentions the authors by name and portrays them as criminals who were associated with criminal organizations involved in drugs trafficking, gun trafficking and laundering money obtained from criminal activities.

2.5 Despite the fact that the report was classified as top secret it was leaked to the press and its contents became public. It is not clear who leaked the report. An investigation of the leak was carried out by the Dutch Internal Security Service in which it was supposedly found that the leaked photocopy was not made from a copy in the hands of the Minister of Dutch-Antillean and Aruban Affairs or another Dutch official. The investigation report did not state of which copy the photocopy was made.

2.6 The authors claim that the allegations against them in the report are totally false and that as a result of the report becoming public their reputations were severely harmed. This led to serious damage to their business interests. They claim that by allowing the report to become public the State party violated their rights not to be subjected to unlawful attacks on their honour and reputation, protected under article 17 of the Covenant.

2.7 The authors requested the Minister of Dutch-Antillean and Aruban Affairs to disassociate himself from the report. When he refused, they initiated summary proceedings in the court of first instance in Aruba. In these proceedings they requested a declaration that the State party, the Minister of Dutch-Antillean and Aruban Affairs and the Interim Head of the Security Service of Aruba had no evidence that the authors were involved in laundering money or in fraudulent actions.

2.8 The court of first instance ruled that it had no competence to peruse the claim against the State party and that the Official Secrets Act justified refusing a remedy against the Interim Head of Security.

2.9 The authors filed an appeal against the dismissal of their summary action with the Joint Court of Justice of the Dutch Antilles and Aruba. Contrary to the judgment of the lower court this court held that the courts were competent to peruse a claim against the State party. However, the Court held that the authors had failed to demonstrate, nor make probable, that the defendants had been negligent in allowing publication of the report and that they could not be held responsible for acting in violation of article 17 of the Covenant.

2.10 The authors did not challenge the above decision before the Netherlands Supreme Court as they were advised by a Dutch cassation attorney that they had no grounds for a successful cassation appeal.

The author's claimsThe author's claims

3.1 The authors claim that by not preventing publication of the information relating to them contained in the secret report the State party has violated their rights under article 17 of the Covenant. They further claim that the directives of the State party regarding classification of secret information and the requirement of the Court in the summary proceedings that the authors prove the negligence of the State party result in a violation of the duty of the State party, under article 2, paragraph 3, of the Covenant, to provide an effective remedy for violation of their rights under article 17.

3.2 The authors claim that by pursuing summary proceedings they have exhausted domestic remedies. They concede, however, that the domestic law does Aoffer the possibility of a civil standard procedure (before the same instance as where the summary proceedings were lost), yet going through this procedure takes up at least 4 to 6 years (in view of the existing possibilities for appeal and cassation).

Issues and Proceeding before the Committee

4.1 Before considering any claim contained in a communication, the Human Rights Committtee must, in accordance with rule 87 of its Rules of Procedure, decide whether or not it is admissible under the Optional Protocol to the Covenant.

4.2 From the materials presented by the authors it is clear that within the framework of summary proceedings the domestic courts could not examine the factual allegations of the authors. These could only be examined in a standard civil action. The authors have conceded that they have not commenced a standard civil procedure against the State party for a remedy for the alleged attack on their honour and reputation in violation of article 17 of the Covenant. In the circumstances, the Committee cannot accept the mere assertion by the authors that the application of domestic remedies will be unreasonably prolonged. Accordingly, the communication is inadmissible under article 5, paragraph 2 (b) of the Optional Protocol.

5. The Human Rights Committee therefore decides:

(a) that the communication is inadmissible under article 5, paragraph 2 (b) of the Optional Protocol;

(b) that this decision shall be communicated to the authors and, for information, to the State party.

*Made public by decision of the Human Rights Committee.

View 883

*The following members of the Committee participated in the examination of the present communication: Mr. Abdelfattah Amor, Mr. Nisuke Ando, Mr. Prafullachandra N. Bhagwati, Ms. Christine Chanet, Lord Colville, Ms. Elizabeth Evatt, Mr. Eckart Klein, Mr. David Kretzmer, Ms. Cecilia Medina Quiroga, Mr. Fausto Pocar, Mr. Martin Scheinin, Mr. Hipólito Solari Yrigoyen, Mr. Roman Wieruszewski and Mr. Maxwell Yalden.

[Adopted in English, French and Spanish, the English text being the original version. Subsequently to be translated also in Arabic, Chinese and Russian as part of the Committee's annual report to the General Assembly.]

http://www1.umn.edu/humanrts/undocs/session67/view883.htm

[jackb]

Some very interesting information about the Harms and Mansur families.  It sounds like the Mansur's control the tobacco, gambling, and drugs on Aruba.  I have heard that Jossy's niece is married to Rudy Croes. 
Could Jossy have been there that night? 


http://www.publicintegrity.org/Report.aspx?aid=355
http://www.public-i.org/Content.aspx?src=search&context=article&id=579
http://duncan.gn.apc.org/bat/Health_Committee_Evidence_1.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jossy_Mansur
http://thekomisarscoop.com/1997/05/29/drug-smugglers-dutch-treat/

They use the news media to fool everybody about the truth.... now there is a war between the Diario and Bondia...and DirtyHand is the one that play the war games.

Now back to the Lions

The one that defend the Lions is Briezen, Now on the night in question. Where was those that support the Lions - Lowenstein group. Some one in the oduber cabinet was there between the party-go-er.

About the Garderners... Where do they work.

It is my understanding that the Lions meet the first and/or last week of the month.  j/b

[jackb]

Some very interesting information about the Harms and Mansur families.  It sounds like the Mansur's control the tobacco, gambling, and drugs on Aruba.  I have heard that Jossy's niece is married to Rudy Croes. 
Could Jossy have been there that night? 


http://www.publicintegrity.org/Report.aspx?aid=355
http://www.public-i.org/Content.aspx?src=search&context=article&id=579
http://duncan.gn.apc.org/bat/Health_Committee_Evidence_1.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jossy_Mansur
http://thekomisarscoop.com/1997/05/29/drug-smugglers-dutch-treat/

They use the news media to fool everybody about the truth.... now there is a war between the Diario and Bondia...and DirtyHand is the one that play the war games.

Now back to the Lions

The one that defend the Lions is Briezen, Now on the night in question. Where was those that support the Lions - Lowenstein group. Some one in the oduber cabinet was there between the party-go-er.

About the Garderners... Where do they work.

It is my understanding that the Lions meet the first and/or last week of the month.  j/b

Board of Directors 2005-2006

President Clemente "Mike" Lampe
Imm. Past President Maximiliano F. "Bibi" Arends
1st Vice-President Frank Croes
2nd Vice-President John J. P. de Vries
3rd-Vice President Ludwig Jansen
Secretary Omar Tromp
Treasurer Jaime Laclé
Lion Tamer Adriaan J. Arendsz
Tail Twister Maiky L. Croes
Director 2 yrs. Marlon Croes
Director 2 yrs. Jaime A. Mata
Director 1 yrs. Tendo Boekhoudt
Director 1 yrs. Derwin Alders
Director Membership Modesto I. "Dede" Ruiz
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