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« Reply #520 on: March 31, 2008, 07:35:28 PM »

Some very interesting information about the Harms and Mansur families.  It sounds like the Mansur's control the tobacco, gambling, and drugs on Aruba.  I have heard that Jossy's niece is married to Rudy Croes. 
Could Jossy have been there that night? 


http://www.publicintegrity.org/Report.aspx?aid=355
http://www.public-i.org/Content.aspx?src=search&context=article&id=579
http://duncan.gn.apc.org/bat/Health_Committee_Evidence_1.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jossy_Mansur
http://thekomisarscoop.com/1997/05/29/drug-smugglers-dutch-treat/

They use the news media to fool everybody about the truth.... now there is a war between the Diario and Bondia...and DirtyHand is the one that play the war games.

Now back to the Lions

The one that defend the Lions is Briezen, Now on the night in question. Where was those that support the Lions - Lowenstein group. Some one in the oduber cabinet was there between the party-go-er.

About the Garderners... Where do they work.



It is my understanding that the Lions meet the first and/or last week of the month.  j/b

check nor-ann industries and goldmine properties N.v. who are these

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« Reply #521 on: March 31, 2008, 07:43:58 PM »

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It is my understanding that the Lions meet the first and/or last week of the month.  j/b

It appears from their schedule that they meet on the second and fourth wednesdays of each month schedule permitting.

http://www.arubalions.org/Calender%20of%20Events/Calender_of_Events_2007-2008.htm
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« Reply #522 on: March 31, 2008, 07:49:00 PM »

Some very interesting information about the Harms and Mansur families.  It sounds like the Mansur's control the tobacco, gambling, and drugs on Aruba.  I have heard that Jossy's niece is married to Rudy Croes. 
Could Jossy have been there that night? 


http://www.publicintegrity.org/Report.aspx?aid=355
http://www.public-i.org/Content.aspx?src=search&context=article&id=579
http://duncan.gn.apc.org/bat/Health_Committee_Evidence_1.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jossy_Mansur
http://thekomisarscoop.com/1997/05/29/drug-smugglers-dutch-treat/

They use the news media to fool everybody about the truth.... now there is a war between the Diario and Bondia...and DirtyHand is the one that play the war games.

Now back to the Lions

The one that defend the Lions is Briezen, Now on the night in question. Where was those that support the Lions - Lowenstein group. Some one in the oduber cabinet was there between the party-go-er.

About the Garderners... Where do they work.



It is my understanding that the Lions meet the first and/or last week of the month.  j/b

check nor-ann industries and goldmine properties N.v. who are these



Nor-ann = Henriquez?

I am not finding goldmine...
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« Reply #523 on: March 31, 2008, 07:53:42 PM »

I believe the Chemaly family owns Aruba Today and Bondia...under The Speed Printing log...or something like that.
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« Reply #524 on: March 31, 2008, 07:55:41 PM »

I believe the Chemaly family owns Aruba Today and Bondia...under The Speed Printing log...or something like that.

CARIBBEAN SPEED PRINTERS N.V.
http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=9699

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« Reply #525 on: March 31, 2008, 08:00:13 PM »

Caps,

Aruba Today would be the paper most likely to be friendly with MP...




Aruba Today- October 24th 2005

Michael Posner Contributes

Michael Posner contributes to Aruba's success. Palm Beach- Aruba continues to develop and expand as a popular travel destination ith the help of everyone in the industry. Over the past fifteen years Aruba has jumped onto the travel map as one of the top Caribbean destinations fpr vacations, events and business travel. There are a few people who in the last 10 years have added tremendously to Aruba's product with great success. American businessman Michael Posner saw an opportunity in the mid 90's to purchase the Holiday Inn Casino, although it was run down and on the brink of bankruptcy. Posner stepped in when the Holiday Inn Casino was in terrible condition with only 33 employees. He made a substantial investment into Aruba's product by renovating this deteriorating casino. Today the Excelsior Casino has over 140 employees, with all management positions filled by Arubans, and pays millions of dollars in taxes each year. Mr. Posner procured Aruba as the site for the World Poker Tournament for the past 4 years and many years into the future. This has created 20-30 million USD for the economy of Aruba and 5 million yearly in free advertising for Aruba's tourist industry. Posner also purchased and renovated the old Stauffer Hotel, which was considered at the time to be an eyesore to Palm Beach. He transformed the neglected hotel into the Brickell Bay Beach Club and today has over 100 employees, with all management level employment dedicated to Arubans. He recently delivered a genuine act of kindness by donating all the rooms for the Texas EquuSearch team to search for Natalee Holloway, at a cost of over 100,000. Posner has been a generous supporter of many charities in Aruba, even going so far as to send a sick Aruban child to Disney World with his mother as part of the "Make a wish Foundation". Aruba also thanks Posner for opening doors to potential new guest by making travel easier. He was directly responsible for bringing United Airlines to Aruba. Untied Airlines provides Aruba with 40,000 tourists and 300,000 hotel rooms annually. Posner received no payment for his services and was awarded the distinction of "Aruba's Goodwill Ambassador". Posner's contributions to Aruba's economy have been significant and greatly appreciated by the people. Besides all of humanitarian acts of kindness, he is also greatly appreciated for taking the reigns of failing businesses where no one else would and developing them into successful entities.



Oh VMS, I think you found the link.  Posner owns Brickel Bay and Aruba Today is singing his praises.  He also owns the Excelsior and could easily move his dealers from one location to the other for special parties.  Could there possibly be some friction between Posner and the Mansurs over their monopolies and conflict of interests?  CAPS, I think we need to look at Julia Renfro, Chemely, and Aruba Today.
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« Reply #526 on: March 31, 2008, 08:02:57 PM »

Caps,

Aruba Today would be the paper most likely to be friendly with MP...




Aruba Today- October 24th 2005

Michael Posner Contributes

Michael Posner contributes to Aruba's success. Palm Beach- Aruba continues to develop and expand as a popular travel destination ith the help of everyone in the industry. Over the past fifteen years Aruba has jumped onto the travel map as one of the top Caribbean destinations fpr vacations, events and business travel. There are a few people who in the last 10 years have added tremendously to Aruba's product with great success. American businessman Michael Posner saw an opportunity in the mid 90's to purchase the Holiday Inn Casino, although it was run down and on the brink of bankruptcy. Posner stepped in when the Holiday Inn Casino was in terrible condition with only 33 employees. He made a substantial investment into Aruba's product by renovating this deteriorating casino. Today the Excelsior Casino has over 140 employees, with all management positions filled by Arubans, and pays millions of dollars in taxes each year. Mr. Posner procured Aruba as the site for the World Poker Tournament for the past 4 years and many years into the future. This has created 20-30 million USD for the economy of Aruba and 5 million yearly in free advertising for Aruba's tourist industry. Posner also purchased and renovated the old Stauffer Hotel, which was considered at the time to be an eyesore to Palm Beach. He transformed the neglected hotel into the Brickell Bay Beach Club and today has over 100 employees, with all management level employment dedicated to Arubans. He recently delivered a genuine act of kindness by donating all the rooms for the Texas EquuSearch team to search for Natalee Holloway, at a cost of over 100,000. Posner has been a generous supporter of many charities in Aruba, even going so far as to send a sick Aruban child to Disney World with his mother as part of the "Make a wish Foundation". Aruba also thanks Posner for opening doors to potential new guest by making travel easier. He was directly responsible for bringing United Airlines to Aruba. Untied Airlines provides Aruba with 40,000 tourists and 300,000 hotel rooms annually. Posner received no payment for his services and was awarded the distinction of "Aruba's Goodwill Ambassador". Posner's contributions to Aruba's economy have been significant and greatly appreciated by the people. Besides all of humanitarian acts of kindness, he is also greatly appreciated for taking the reigns of failing businesses where no one else would and developing them into successful entities.



Oh VMS, I think you found the link.  Posner owns Brickel Bay and Aruba Today is singing his praises.  He also owns the Excelsior and could easily move his dealers from one location to the other for special parties.  Could there possibly be some friction between Posner and the Mansurs over their monopolies and conflict of interests?  CAPS, I think we need to look at Julia Renfro, Chemely, and Aruba Today.

SS,

IIRC, there was a court battle between MP and Jossy. I cannot remember the details now but I want to say Jossy lost. Not sure though, I have a terrible memory so don't hold me to it.  Laughing
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« Reply #527 on: March 31, 2008, 08:05:17 PM »

Only thing I find is Gold Mine Ranch.....

http://www.arubalions.org/Calender%20of%20Events/Calender_of_Events_2007-2008.htm
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« Reply #528 on: March 31, 2008, 08:06:47 PM »

Caribbean Speed Printers N.V.  Editor  (00297) 582 78 00  (00297) 582 70 44 
John Chemaly & John Chemaly Jr. Directors   
Benjamin Romero  Cordinador   
Grace Mary Maduro  Gerente General   
Elisabeth Guanipa, Genevieve Garcia  Project Executive   
Harold Faro, Richard Brooks, Andres Krozendijk  Redactor Deportivo   
Michael Arends, Dr. Carlos Viana, Ronzzio de Cuba, Seever Krozendijk  Colaborador   
Mariano Heyden, Margatita Els (Antiyas, Bonaire)  International   
Bebby Kelly, Dino Tromp, Jason Inesia  Fotografo   
Ludwig Hermans  Reportero   
Gladys Palomino, Dina Maria  Layout   
Sandra Loefstok, Lando Rafael  Aviso y Arte   
Eduard Martijn, Jenny Lobbrecht, Martha Ariza, Natasha Ramos  Admin & Distribution   
Mariete Tromp, Gina Briesen  Collector   
Luis Fernando Arenas, Pablo Libre  Pre Press   
Afiliacion Sociedad Interamerica di Prensa (SIP)     
Delma Arends, Margarita Els, Oscar Vidal, Keen van Ommeren, Melvin Garcia 

http://www.newsworldnet.com/west_indies/aruba.php




Aruba Today and Bondia are the same.  Julia Renfro is their Editor.
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« Reply #529 on: March 31, 2008, 08:14:57 PM »

Aruban casino owner with criminal past goes to America
Joe Mammana is not permitted to enter Aruba due to his past but how did we end up with Mike Posner?

DIARIO Aruba
11/21/2005

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005/11/aruban-casino-owner-with-criminal-past.html
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« Reply #530 on: March 31, 2008, 08:20:33 PM »

Some very interesting information about the Harms and Mansur families.  It sounds like the Mansur's control the tobacco, gambling, and drugs on Aruba.  I have heard that Jossy's niece is married to Rudy Croes. 
Could Jossy have been there that night? 


http://www.publicintegrity.org/Report.aspx?aid=355
http://www.public-i.org/Content.aspx?src=search&context=article&id=579
http://duncan.gn.apc.org/bat/Health_Committee_Evidence_1.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jossy_Mansur
http://thekomisarscoop.com/1997/05/29/drug-smugglers-dutch-treat/

They use the news media to fool everybody about the truth.... now there is a war between the Diario and Bondia...and DirtyHand is the one that play the war games.

Now back to the Lions

The one that defend the Lions is Briezen, Now on the night in question. Where was those that support the Lions - Lowenstein group. Some one in the oduber cabinet was there between the party-go-er.

About the Garderners... Where do they work.



It is my understanding that the Lions meet the first and/or last week of the month.  j/b
Board of Directors 2005-2006

President Clemente "Mike" Lampe
Imm. Past President Maximiliano F. "Bibi" Arends
1st Vice-President Frank Croes
2nd Vice-President John J. P. de Vries
3rd-Vice President Ludwig Jansen
Secretary Omar Tromp
Treasurer Jaime Laclé
Lion Tamer Adriaan J. Arendsz
Tail Twister Maiky L. Croes
Director 2 yrs. Marlon Croes
Director 2 yrs. Jaime A. Mata
Director 1 yrs. Tendo Boekhoudt
Director 1 yrs. Derwin Alders
Director Membership Modesto I. "Dede" Ruiz
Leo Advisor Jaime O. Donata

chech the Lion Tamer  any business
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« Reply #531 on: March 31, 2008, 08:24:12 PM »

Caribbean Speed Printers N.V.  Editor  (00297) 582 78 00  (00297) 582 70 44 
John Chemaly & John Chemaly Jr. Directors   
Benjamin Romero  Cordinador   
Grace Mary Maduro  Gerente General   
Elisabeth Guanipa, Genevieve Garcia  Project Executive   
Harold Faro, Richard Brooks, Andres Krozendijk  Redactor Deportivo   
Michael Arends, Dr. Carlos Viana, Ronzzio de Cuba, Seever Krozendijk  Colaborador   
Mariano Heyden, Margatita Els (Antiyas, Bonaire)  International   
Bebby Kelly, Dino Tromp, Jason Inesia  Fotografo   
Ludwig Hermans  Reportero   
Gladys Palomino, Dina Maria  Layout   
Sandra Loefstok, Lando Rafael  Aviso y Arte   
Eduard Martijn, Jenny Lobbrecht, Martha Ariza, Natasha Ramos  Admin & Distribution   
Mariete Tromp, Gina Briesen  Collector   
Luis Fernando Arenas, Pablo Libre  Pre Press   
Afiliacion Sociedad Interamerica di Prensa (SIP)     
Delma Arends, Margarita Els, Oscar Vidal, Keen van Ommeren, Melvin Garcia 

http://www.newsworldnet.com/west_indies/aruba.php




Aruba Today and Bondia are the same.  Julia Renfro is their Editor.
The war is the between the Diario against these two and it seems that one of the news paper is in financial problem.
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« Reply #532 on: March 31, 2008, 08:24:18 PM »

Lions Club International - Aruba

http://www.arubalions.org/Committees/Committee_Past_Lionistic_Years.htm

Administrative Committees 2004 - 2005

Constituion & Bylaws
Augusting Vrolijk ©
- Frank Croes
- Benky Fowler
- Henry Fingal
- Andin Bikker   (Is this the twenty year old mystery A.B. suspect?)

Members List 2004-2005

Alders Derwin
Angela Mariano A. "Juni"
Arends E.R. "Ebby"
Arends E.R. "Elbert Jr."
Arends F. "Francis"
Arends M.F. "Bibi"
Arendsz A.J. "Adri"
Bikker A.C.G. "Andin"
Boekhoudt R. "Tendo"
Buckley A. "Yeyo"
Clement D.I. "Daniel"
Croes C.F. "Carlos"
Croes F.H. "Frank"
Croes J.M. "Max"
Croes M.L. "Maiky"
Croes M.L. "Marlon"
Croes P.A. "Pablo"
Croes R.C.F. "Randal"
Croes R.W. I "Chobby"
Croes R.W. II "Robèrt"
Cuba de L.L. "Ildo"
Daryanani S.D. "Satish"
Delden van L.F. "Louis"
Donata J.O. "Jaime"
Duran F.S. Jr. "Fillmon"
Fingal Elias
Fingal H.R. "Henry"
Fowler E.D.C. "Benky"
Fuentebella C.E. "Toty"   
Goedhoop Ruben
Gröder D.R. "Boepi"
Harms Clyde 
Jansen J.L. "Ludwig"   
Jelten E. "Eddy"
Kock G.F. "Giovanni"
Kock J.H. "John"
Kock P. "Pierre"   
Koolman Olindo
Kuiperi F.A. "Franky"
Laclé Jaime
Lampe C. "Charlie"
Lampe C.M. "Mike"
Lopez E.M. "Tito"
Maduro C.E. "Carlos"
Maduro Urbano
Maldonado Rogelio
Marugg G.H. "Glenn"
Marugg Oscar
Mata J.A. "Jaime"
Nicolaas R.H. "Ronny"
Paris E.L. "Eddy"
Oduber H.L. "Horacio"
Ruiz M.L. "Dede"
Ridderstap A.S. "Alberto"
Solagnier M.A. "Marcel"
Simon George
Mirep A. "Fon"
Tromp J. "Chinto"
Tromp Omar   
Vries de J.J.P. "John"
Vrolijk Augustin
Wever K.E.O. "Karel"
Wijk van Giovanni
Wolter O.J. "Otto"
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« Reply #533 on: March 31, 2008, 08:26:49 PM »

The gardener returned, gave testimony before a judge and signed a statement.  I think Jossy said he even passed a lie detector:

After this interrogation, in the guard chamber at the Court, C.A. PENATA RAMOS gave this statement:

-    that the judge-commissar, during the interrogation, he authorized him to go to the w.c.:

-   that he saw two (2) young persons sitting (in car?) on a bank:

-   that he recognized those two young persons as those of which, with the Dutch boy who were in the photograph in the newspapers (with the Dutch boy he meant JVDS):

-   that he also recognized the gray car the boys were the Salinja in and:

-   that the two young persons appearance had changed but that he still nevertheless recognized them:

Of what our, statement, on oath of office made up this warrant, and has been signed at Oranjestad on August 16, 2005 has been closed.

Signed,

DD JACOBS             E.L. SOEMERS
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« Reply #534 on: March 31, 2008, 08:27:16 PM »



Gold Mine Ranch

http://www.thegoldmineranch.com/


CRYSTAL PLAZA 
 
Business address MATIVIDIRI 15-J, PARADERA 
Legal form  LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY 
Name of the company  GOLD MINE PROPERTIES N.V.  
Statutory seat  ARUBA 
Date of incorporation  21 MARCH 2002 
     

DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD: 
 
ESMERALDA CAPITAL HOLDING (ECH) N.V. 
Established at  MATIVIDIRI 15-J, PARADERA, ARUBA 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Since  21 MARCH 2002 
Authority  FULL 

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ESMERALDA CAPITAL HOLDING (ECH) N.V. 
 
Business address MATIVIDIRI 15-J, PARADERA 
Legal form  LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY 
Name of the company  ESMERALDA CAPITAL HOLDING (ECH) N.V. 
Statutory seat  ARUBA 
Date of incorporation  21 MARCH 2002 

 DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD: 
 
ODUBER, JACOBO FRANCISCO;  
Residing in  MATIVIDIRI 15-J, PARADERA, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 13 FEBRUARY 1957 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  21 MARCH 2002 
Authority  FULL 
   
CROES, EDUARDO MARCELINO LEONCIO; 
Residing in  TANKI LEENDERT 135-N, NOORD, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 19 APRIL 1969 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  1 SEPTEMBER 2002 
Authority  FULL 
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« Reply #535 on: March 31, 2008, 08:28:48 PM »

Julia work for what news agency and what I need also is the connection of that news Agency with MP. what relation ship is between MP and Julia....hmmmm

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:35 pm
DirtyHand is not an Arawak
Many pioneers have settled with the tribe

Why don’t the arawaks ambush the lions?
The cowboys don’t know.
DirtyHand knows, but is afraid of the Arawak Nation

pioneer:
one who goes to a new territory/country to live/work there

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DirtyHand is from Geermany.  Cool thank you

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« Reply #536 on: March 31, 2008, 08:29:22 PM »


Goldmine Properties do not exist?


where are the millions that the government is putting the money in is going than??? hnnnn

It it is a business of Rudy Croes brother or sister
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« Reply #537 on: March 31, 2008, 08:32:23 PM »


Goldmine Properties do not exist?


where are the millions that the government is putting the money in is going than??? hnnnn

It it is a business of Rudy Croes brother or sister

Goldmine Properties do exist.  See my post above.
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« Reply #538 on: March 31, 2008, 08:33:56 PM »

1. Aruba Lions Club Board Members 2004-2005
www.arubalions.org/Board/ALC_B - [Cached]
Published on: 1/1/2006   Last Visited: 12/22/2007

Adriaan J. Arendsz

Tail Twister 2. Aruba - Matutino Diario - Diahuebs - Social
www.diarioaruba.com/diabierna/ - [Cached]
Published on: 9/25/2005   Last Visited: 9/25/2005

Angelique Tromp-Thode, Marjorie Wiersma, Mayra Rasmijn-Roga, Edwin Roos a celebra 12 aña y mei di servicio y Adriaan Arendsz a celebra 30 aña di servicio.
...
Adriaan Arendsz a cuminsa na 1975 cu First National Bank of Aruba como Teller.

Despues Adriaan a ocupa e siguiente puestonan: Computer Operator, Assistant Teller Supervisor, Assistant Branch Supervisor, Branch Supervisor, y Branch Supervisor Boulevard. Actualmente Adriaan ta ocupa e puesto di Customer Service Respresentative - Real Estate.

http://www.zoominfo.com/people/Arendsz_Adriaan_735853173.aspx
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« Reply #539 on: March 31, 2008, 08:36:08 PM »

Caribbean Speed Printers N.V.  Editor  (00297) 582 78 00  (00297) 582 70 44 
John Chemaly & John Chemaly Jr. Directors   
Benjamin Romero  Cordinador   
Grace Mary Maduro  Gerente General   
Elisabeth Guanipa, Genevieve Garcia  Project Executive   
Harold Faro, Richard Brooks, Andres Krozendijk  Redactor Deportivo   
Michael Arends, Dr. Carlos Viana, Ronzzio de Cuba, Seever Krozendijk  Colaborador   
Mariano Heyden, Margatita Els (Antiyas, Bonaire)  International   
Bebby Kelly, Dino Tromp, Jason Inesia  Fotografo   
Ludwig Hermans  Reportero   
Gladys Palomino, Dina Maria  Layout   
Sandra Loefstok, Lando Rafael  Aviso y Arte   
Eduard Martijn, Jenny Lobbrecht, Martha Ariza, Natasha Ramos  Admin & Distribution   
Mariete Tromp, Gina Briesen  Collector   
Luis Fernando Arenas, Pablo Libre  Pre Press   
Afiliacion Sociedad Interamerica di Prensa (SIP)     
Delma Arends, Margarita Els, Oscar Vidal, Keen van Ommeren, Melvin Garcia 

http://www.newsworldnet.com/west_indies/aruba.php




Aruba Today and Bondia are the same.  Julia Renfro is their Editor.
The war is the between the Diario against these two and it seems that one of the news paper is in financial problem.

I think the arrival of 24hora on the market must hurt diario. Aruba today is more a tourist rag no?
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