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« Reply #540 on: March 31, 2008, 08:41:53 PM »

Julia work for what news agency and what I need also is the connection of that news Agency with MP. what relation ship is between MP and Julia....hmmmm

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:35 pm
DirtyHand is not an Arawak
Many pioneers have settled with the tribe

Why don’t the arawaks ambush the lions?
The cowboys don’t know.
DirtyHand knows, but is afraid of the Arawak Nation

pioneer:
one who goes to a new territory/country to live/work there

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DirtyHand is from Geermany.  Cool thank you

DirtyHand

Dirty Hand

dirtyhand

dirty hand



two of the dirty hands are done, need still work on the other 2.
the first one is the big fish, Guido Waver is one of them.
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« Reply #541 on: March 31, 2008, 08:45:19 PM »

Julia work for what news agency and what I need also is the connection of that news Agency with MP. what relation ship is between MP and Julia....hmmmm

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:35 pm
DirtyHand is not an Arawak
Many pioneers have settled with the tribe

Why don’t the arawaks ambush the lions?
The cowboys don’t know.
DirtyHand knows, but is afraid of the Arawak Nation

pioneer:
one who goes to a new territory/country to live/work there

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DirtyHand is from Geermany.  Cool thank you

DirtyHand

Dirty Hand

dirtyhand

dirty hand

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« Reply #542 on: March 31, 2008, 09:00:59 PM »

CRYSTAL PLAZA
 
Business address MATIVIDIRI 15-J, PARADERA
Legal form  LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY
Name of the company GOLD MINE PROPERTIES N.V. 
Statutory seat  ARUBA
Date of incorporation  21 MARCH 2002 

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« Reply #543 on: March 31, 2008, 09:01:18 PM »

Johny Chemaly opened the Mill Resort in the 80s, same time as Mansur with LaCabana.
Chemaly had a German restaurant The H something that only served German wine, then opened Valentinos.  Don't know if he still owns Mill Resort.  The name Chemaly doesn't sound German...but he must like German food...lol...

The previous editor of Aruba Today was an Oduber and Oduber owns the Solo P paper.
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« Reply #544 on: March 31, 2008, 09:05:06 PM »

Johny Chemaly opened the Mill Resort in the 80s, same time as Mansur with LaCabana.
Chemaly had a German restaurant The H something that only served German wine, then opened Valentinos.  Don't know if he still owns Mill Resort.  The name Chemaly doesn't sound German...but he must like German food...lol...

The previous editor of Aruba Today was an Oduber and Oduber owns the Solo P paper.

kinda looks like all those 30 year mortgages went belly shot up in year 25 or so... and now - NO PROFIT FOR YOU!
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« Reply #545 on: March 31, 2008, 09:06:41 PM »

Johny Chemaly opened the Mill Resort in the 80s, same time as Mansur with LaCabana.
Chemaly had a German restaurant The H something that only served German wine, then opened Valentinos.  Don't know if he still owns Mill Resort.  The name Chemaly doesn't sound German...but he must like German food...lol...

The previous editor of Aruba Today was an Oduber and Oduber owns the Solo P paper.

kinda looks like all those 30 year mortgages went belly shot up in year 25 or so... and now - NO PROFIT FOR YOU!

Mansurs sold La Cabana... and Chemalys, along with anyone with any sense, sold their interest in these dying hotels.
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« Reply #546 on: March 31, 2008, 09:09:50 PM »

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Sugar coated, but interesting link.:

http://www.historiadiaruba.aw/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=24&Itemid=39&lang=en
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« Reply #547 on: March 31, 2008, 09:11:08 PM »

Julia work for what news agency and what I need also is the connection of that news Agency with MP. what relation ship is between MP and Julia....hmmmm

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:35 pm
DirtyHand is not an Arawak
Many pioneers have settled with the tribe

Why don’t the arawaks ambush the lions?
The cowboys don’t know.
DirtyHand knows, but is afraid of the Arawak Nation

pioneer:
one who goes to a new territory/country to live/work there

Fin

DirtyHand is from Geermany.  Cool thank you

DirtyHand

Dirty Hand

dirtyhand

dirty hand

Trudy Hassell
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What is the name of the young vcb again he is a police
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« Reply #548 on: March 31, 2008, 09:12:29 PM »


Thanks Buckeye

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« Reply #549 on: March 31, 2008, 09:13:41 PM »

The genealogist found another Lebanon connection.  The Mansurs aren't the only Lebanese in the newspaper business.   

Chemaly Family Website 
 
Aiming to promote cooperation amongst all members of Chemaly Family in Lebanon and overseas.

http://www.lebweb.com/site/lebanon-chemaly-90596
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« Reply #550 on: March 31, 2008, 09:15:05 PM »

Julia work for what news agency and what I need also is the connection of that news Agency with MP. what relation ship is between MP and Julia....hmmmm

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:35 pm
DirtyHand is not an Arawak
Many pioneers have settled with the tribe

Why don’t the arawaks ambush the lions?
The cowboys don’t know.
DirtyHand knows, but is afraid of the Arawak Nation

pioneer:
one who goes to a new territory/country to live/work there

Fin

DirtyHand is from Geermany.  Cool thank you

DirtyHand

Dirty Hand

dirtyhand

dirty hand



two of the dirty hands are done, need still work on the other 2.
the first one is the big fish, Guido Waver is one of them.

Gods of the cowboys know there was a game in the great house,
and so DirtyHand was discovered

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:31 pm
The shivas knew the girl
the arawaks new the girl
and the babylonians still know the girl

Some elders of the game, not just of babylon walk in older circles
cowboys hear the singing, but the words are not understood

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:51 pm
The 46th spirit does not walk the same circle as the elders, this shall be his downfall

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:53 pm
The Tribe knows all of the players, even the elders of the inner circle

DirtyHand walks with the elders
Babylon knows

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:58 pm
DirtyHand knows the Babylonians that provided escort after the 2 shivas left

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:04 pm
Are the children of the elders there, or did they flee to Babylon?
DirtyHand knows, this is his Power

The Babylonians know what the girl did earlier in the week.
Therein lies the motive.
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:08 pm
The 46th will pay for the children of the Elders
Shango Says:June 26th, 2005 at 10:13 pm
DirtyHand walks in ALL houses
houses of the Arawaks, and houses of Rave
He can break the alibi

The Arawaks know
The cowboys know
DirtyHand can break the Alibi, he walks all circles
The Simian knows this
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:18 pm
If the Alibi is broken by DirtyHand the walls of Babylon will shake
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:23 pm
Old treaties between the Babylonians and the Arawaks
were maintained until the gods heard
Babylon now fears reprisals
the fires are lit
there will be 46 sacrifices

Coverups begin with elders and the founders of the houses of Babylon
Not the minions
DirtyHand knows this
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:50 pm
Are insects conned into entering Venus Flytraps?
DirtyHand is the key
He walks with the elders
He walks in all houses
And he walked with the fallen elder
he was the hidden card that was played
now if he sings, babylon will fall on the arawak nation

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 11:05 pm
DirtyHand has worked for the elders for a long time

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 11:12 pm
Even Flying Birds Sing

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 9:44 pm
Babalu opened a window looking into babylon on his 12:31 A.M. Post
DirtyHand is alive
Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 9:46 pm
Shango said the key to the Hague did not exist
that door to eden remains closed
until the house with the path
But not of gold
is entered
Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 9:48 pm
Babalu knew who dirty hand was at half past 12
Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 9:51 pm
DirtyHand walks with the Babylons, the Arawaks and is consort to the fallen elder
The gods are talking
Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 9:57 pm

The gods of Babylon have orchested the refrain for the Arawak choir
the music which holds the answers lies within the maze


The threadsurfers are opening the door to babylon
be careful of the lions
DirtyHand does not have them tamed
but he can enter the den
tell the cowboys

Find the music
Only David left the den alive

Eyes of god may look from afar with great acuity.

The resolution to find Mary lies with the Arawak Nation

Dirty Hand has bound the Arawak Nation with Babylonian Rope

The Lamb and the two Shivas whisper in the dark,

while the lions pace silently in the bush.

Dirty Hand is the link!

The lamb, the shivas, the elder whispering, exiting like theives in the night, clothed with invisible armor


The lamb shall run anew in virgin fields, cropping sweet grass which should remain untouched.
The Lamb has sins, but the lions have sharper teeth.
A new key must be found to open unknown doors.
The first concern of the Arawak nation is wampum.
But unseen tides pull babylonian seas through Arawak Moats, bittering the waters.
DirtyHand and the Lions must see the light of Arawak Day, or forever walk in plentiful fields.
The dead shall eternally sleep if a clamour is not made.
Lamb and the Elder are stepping stones into the fetid pool of deception.
The rule of the Arawak King is the Final word.

DirtyHand has fouled the air for all nearby, but the Arawak Nation will claim Babylonian Authority prevents them from hunting Lions, and DirtyHand.

But the Arawak king controls destiny of all. The Arawak king has DirtyHands and DirtyFeet. If he is to reign anew, he cannot be soiled more.

The babylonians have ruled the Arawak Nation through deception and stealth, and their charges, the Arawaks, speak now with the same forked tongue, on behalf of their king.

The lions pace silently in the bush, while the king seeks pleasures with his concubines.

Threadsurfers! What is sought is not hidden.

Seek ye DirtyHand and the Fetid Arawak King who wishes to blame the babylonians for the behaviour of lowly minions.

If the head of the beast is in plain view it is folly to attack protected flanks.

Threadsurfers, DirtyHand is more vulnerable than the Arawak King and your lances should point in his direction.

Shango looks from afar but speaks with truth. He does not converse with the Simian, or any other worldly sources, and attempts to bring direction to speculation

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« Reply #551 on: March 31, 2008, 09:17:36 PM »

Johny Chemaly opened the Mill Resort in the 80s, same time as Mansur with LaCabana.
Chemaly had a German restaurant The H something that only served German wine, then opened Valentinos.  Don't know if he still owns Mill Resort.  The name Chemaly doesn't sound German...but he must like German food...lol...

The previous editor of Aruba Today was an Oduber and Oduber owns the Solo P paper.

Isn't he the Interior Minister who recommended PVS to his judgeship type job?        Jack b
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« Reply #552 on: March 31, 2008, 09:20:44 PM »

Johny Chemaly opened the Mill Resort in the 80s, same time as Mansur with LaCabana.
Chemaly had a German restaurant The H something that only served German wine, then opened Valentinos.  Don't know if he still owns Mill Resort.  The name Chemaly doesn't sound German...but he must like German food...lol...

The previous editor of Aruba Today was an Oduber and Oduber owns the Solo P paper.

Isn't he the Interior Minister who recommended PVS to his judgeship type job?        Jack b

Not that I recall.
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« Reply #553 on: March 31, 2008, 09:22:45 PM »

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GVC Geoffrey Van Cromfort (?sp) is the young guy that at one time? worked for VCB.  His sister is "real" police.  If that is what you were asking.
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« Reply #554 on: March 31, 2008, 09:24:14 PM »

Julia work for what news agency and what I need also is the connection of that news Agency with MP. what relation ship is between MP and Julia....hmmmm

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:35 pm
DirtyHand is not an Arawak
Many pioneers have settled with the tribe

Why don’t the arawaks ambush the lions?
The cowboys don’t know.
DirtyHand knows, but is afraid of the Arawak Nation

pioneer:
one who goes to a new territory/country to live/work there

Fin

DirtyHand is from Geermany.  Cool thank you

DirtyHand

Dirty Hand

dirtyhand

dirty hand

Trudy Hassell
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What is the name of the young vcb again he is a police
CROMVOIRT, Geoffry van - 19 years old, resident of Aruba, who was detained by ALE on 4-15-2006 in an unannounced connection to the Natalee Holloway case. He is the son of the owner of an island security company that supplies equipment and personnel to beach patrol and hotels.  For more information see Who’s Who – Victim, Suspects, Witnesses & Families.

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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #555 on: March 31, 2008, 09:24:23 PM »

The genealogist found another Lebanon connection.  The Mansurs aren't the only Lebanese in the newspaper business.   

Chemaly Family Website 
 
Aiming to promote cooperation amongst all members of Chemaly Family in Lebanon and overseas.

http://www.lebweb.com/site/lebanon-chemaly-90596

Definitely sounds more Mideastern than German. 
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« Reply #556 on: March 31, 2008, 09:33:10 PM »

Caps

GVC Geoffrey Van Cromfort (?sp) is the young guy that at one time? worked for VCB.  His sister is "real" police.  If that is what you were asking.

Does he work for the Visibility Team in 2005
at the night in question, did he has an alibi

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« Reply #557 on: March 31, 2008, 09:33:57 PM »

Very Interesting.


Monkey Asks Mansurs Help To Harm Renfro

This comes from the Diario Guest Book

It can be accessed through the following.

http://www.diarioaruba.com/busca/
http://diarioaruba.com/guestbook/guestlo.html
http://diarioaruba.com/guestbook/index_copy(1).html

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To Jossy - Is there any way your articles regarding the Holloway case can be translated to
English forwarded to scaredmonkeys.com for all to read ??? please look at this: http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewforum.php?f=6 can you publish this ? How much info do you have on Julie Renfro ?? She always discredits you and Diario - You need to put her in her place ! What happened to her first husband Gordon Drysdale ? Who is she married to now ? Why is her background a secret ? How much does the Chemaly family pay
pay her to say horrible things about Natalee Holloway and her family ? Renfro posts on a
website called Refugeesunleased as Glenda - Scubajap or Scoop - she is posting the alleged letter from Natalee to Paulus - she must be stopped - why is she on US Media TV shows instead of you ? You have done a great job on Dana's radio show - thank you for all of your hard work in this case I look forward to your article exposing Renfro for what she is
http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/about4250.html


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I'm 100% sure that John Chemaly has not been arrested
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watcha got today on the big bust glenda? not much on the wires. i guess this news cuts both ways for aruba. it validates the old theories of criminal activity on the island among the powerful and at the same time it shows the esolve of the authorities to stamp it out. is it payback time for the mansurs? 
http://refugeesunleashed.net/about11297-125.html


In 1982, the United States Customs Service seized $24,900 from Robert Chemaly at Miami International Airport. Chemaly, who was attempting to leave the United States for Aruba with the currency on his person, failed to report his exportation of currency in excess of $5000, as then required by 31 U.S.C. Sec. 5316.2 Chemaly subsequently was indicted and convicted of violating 18 U.S.C. Sec. 1001 and former 31 U.S.C. Sec. 1101 (1976) (recodified at 31 U.S.C. Sec. 5316). That conviction has been overturned by this court. United States v. Chemaly, 741 F.2d 1346 (11th Cir.1984).
http://bulk.resource.org/courts.gov/c/F2/770/770.F2d.1530.84-5207.html

DEA agent Marin received a phone call September 30, 1982 from a confidential informant (known to Marin as Number 24), who had previously provided reliable information. Number 24 stated that Chemaly would be taking Eastern Airlines flight 23 to Aruba that day and would be taking $500,000 in a cardboard box capable of holding TV sets or electrical equipment, to be used to purchase cocaine. After a second call from Number 24 to Marin, the DEA passed the information to special agents of the South Florida Task Force assigned to Miami International Airport.
http://www.altlaw.org/v1/cases/425204

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nychic (back in tx) on February 4th, 2008 10:44 pm
Mike Posner is Alive & Well In Aruba
He Hosts a Huge Poker Tournament Each Year
The only thing dead about him may be His Current Alias (he has used many over the years)
Posner & Chemaly have lost Millions already
due to the drop in Aruba’s tourism
Joran is connected to Posner via Guido
Guido was charged with Heavy Battery
Lorenzo is also connected to Posner’s money laundering operation in Aruba & Curacao
Lorenzo is Also Half Dutch Half Aruban
Lorenzo is allegedly Joran’s Half Brother
Lorenzo owns the largest house in Aruba
and a very nice speed boat
Joran Claims He Knows “People” in Power ?
Guess Who That Might Be ?
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/02/04/breaking-news-chief-aruban-prosecutor-hans-mos-says-new-video-evidence-of-natalee-holloway-confession-is-admissable-in-court/
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« Reply #558 on: March 31, 2008, 09:35:42 PM »

Caps

GVC Geoffrey Van Cromfort (?sp) is the young guy that at one time? worked for VCB.  His sister is "real" police.  If that is what you were asking.

Does he work for the Visibility Team in 2005
at the night in question, did he has an alibi

Thanks

Have never seen an alibi, but statements said he didn't work for them at the time.  We did see pictures of him, in uniform at one of the searches.  Long story short...I don't know.
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« Reply #559 on: March 31, 2008, 09:37:43 PM »

We aren't researching RUMORS regarding the German connection, are we?? 

From Greta's blog August 22, 2005:

E-mail No. 4

Dear Greta,
There are rumors that are all against Beth and Jug Twitty going on blogs on the Internet.
First of all, that Natalee Holloway ran away twice before: Puerto Rico and I don’t remember where else.... I have been doing my best with limited knowledge to combat their posts.
Now it is being rumored that Jug Twitty and your husband are partners with two Arubans — one German, one Dutch unidentified — in a huge land deal in Virginia with much money involved and that it is a motive for someone who is involved in this to have motive to steal Natalee.
If you could dispel these rumors or give me something to post against them I would surely appreciate it...
I think if Joran gets off, these other scenarios are going to surface. It'd be best to get rid of them now. I would hate to see this turn the way it is looking on that site. If you could log on and view the site I think you will see what I mean.
Sincerely,
Max Cutlip

ANSWER: See my response above, to E-mail No. 1. It seems the rumor is getting more legs... now the rumored business deal includes a German, two Arubans and one Dutch... and a motive to get Natalee all rolled into one. By tomorrow the rumor may include one Frenchman, four Chinese and a cat. The Internet is a wonderful research tool, but it sure does get wild.


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,166383,00.html
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