SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2

[Rob]

Caps, I know there is a list of 2004 and 2005 Lions. Maybe BB has it???

I posted it about two pages back.

SS please take no offense, but if I have seen something, say, like, more than 8 times in the past.... I just glance it...LOL...but I know it's important for others...

[Buckeye]

I have never seen anything suspect about Jossy.....well maybe the racetrack deal....but his brothers have issues.  Trust me, coming from a large family, I am no reflection of several of my siblings.  I'm sure Janet has his bio and the letter his son posted (on RWV).  The fact that "the darkside" trashes him, makes me lean towards his "good guy" status.

[Buckeye]

Did the Strategic Task Force meet at Brickell Bay??

[SS]

Lions Club International - Aruba

http://www.arubalions.org/Committees/Committee_Past_Lionistic_Years.htm

Administrative Committees 2004 - 2005

Constituion & Bylaws
Augusting Vrolijk ©
- Frank Croes
- Benky Fowler
- Henry Fingal
- Andin Bikker   (Is this the twenty year old mystery A.B. suspect?)

Members List 2004-2005

Alders Derwin
Angela Mariano A. "Juni"
Arends E.R. "Ebby"
Arends E.R. "Elbert Jr."
Arends F. "Francis"
Arends M.F. "Bibi"
Arendsz A.J. "Adri"
Bikker A.C.G. "Andin"
Boekhoudt R. "Tendo"
Buckley A. "Yeyo"
Clement D.I. "Daniel"
Croes C.F. "Carlos"
Croes F.H. "Frank"
Croes J.M. "Max"
Croes M.L. "Maiky"
Croes M.L. "Marlon"
Croes P.A. "Pablo"
Croes R.C.F. "Randal"
Croes R.W. I "Chobby"
Croes R.W. II "Robèrt"
Cuba de L.L. "Ildo"
Daryanani S.D. "Satish"
Delden van L.F. "Louis"
Donata J.O. "Jaime"
Duran F.S. Jr. "Fillmon"
Fingal Elias
Fingal H.R. "Henry"
Fowler E.D.C. "Benky"
Fuentebella C.E. "Toty"   
Goedhoop Ruben
Gröder D.R. "Boepi"
Harms Clyde 
Jansen J.L. "Ludwig"   
Jelten E. "Eddy"
Kock G.F. "Giovanni"
Kock J.H. "John"
Kock P. "Pierre"   
Koolman Olindo
Kuiperi F.A. "Franky"
Laclé Jaime
Lampe C. "Charlie"
Lampe C.M. "Mike"
Lopez E.M. "Tito"
Maduro C.E. "Carlos"
Maduro Urbano
Maldonado Rogelio
Marugg G.H. "Glenn"
Marugg Oscar
Mata J.A. "Jaime"
Nicolaas R.H. "Ronny"
Paris E.L. "Eddy"
Oduber H.L. "Horacio"
Ruiz M.L. "Dede"
Ridderstap A.S. "Alberto"
Solagnier M.A. "Marcel"
Simon George
Mirep A. "Fon"
Tromp J. "Chinto"
Tromp Omar   
Vries de J.J.P. "John"
Vrolijk Augustin
Wever K.E.O. "Karel"
Wijk van Giovanni
Wolter O.J. "Otto"

[Rob]

I have never seen anything suspect about Jossy.....well maybe the racetrack deal....but his brothers have issues.  Trust me, coming from a large family, I am no reflection of several of my siblings.  I'm sure Janet has his bio and the letter his son posted (on RWV).  The fact that "the darkside" trashes him, makes me lean towards his "good guy" status.

Buckeye, I respect you and your family. But no one on Aruba is above reproach. Just like everyone, they have histories. Some good, some bad... some totally exaggerated. I admit that. Just like where I live.

But how does a guy that writes books in a few languages end up with three islands and the MEP party owing him 7 million florins in a law suit they are currently challenging? Jossy claims he over paid his taxes IIRC. I heard it myself.

[hotping]

 
Aruba Lions Club                     
Members List 2004-2005                     
Last Name   First Name   IM#   Sponsor   Lioness   Edate      
Alders   Derwin   000   Junior Angela   Vilka   10-'03      
Angela   Mariano A. "Juni"   179   Rollyn Angela   Sharon         
Arends   E.R. "Ebby"   001   Harry Posner      10-'63      
Arends   E.R. "Elbert Jr."   159   Ebby Arends      10-'97      
Arends   F. "Francis"   165   Glenn Marugg   Carol   12-'97      
Arends   M.F. "Bibi"   176   Maiky Croes   Vanessa   02-'99      
Arendsz   A.J. "Adri"   107   Maiky Croes   Chima   12-'86      
Bikker   A.C.G. "Andin"   190   Franky Kuiperi   Lorena   10-'00      
Boekhoudt   R. "Tendo"   151   Elias Fingal   Marianita   05-'96      
Buckley   A. "Yeyo"   156   Louis van Delden   Magda   12-'96      
Clement   D.I. "Daniel"   149   Maiky Croes      04-'96      
Croes   C.F. "Carlos"   103   Charlie Lampe   Betty   06-'85      
Croes   F.H. "Frank"   112   Maiky Croes   Baby   03-'88      
Croes   J.M. "Max"   005   Frans Croes   Marie Therese         
Croes   M.L. "Maiky"   077   Oscar Marugg   Ada   02-'78      
Croes   M.L. "Marlon"   166   Elias Fingal      02-'98      
Croes   P.A. "Pablo"   059   Elias Fingal      03-'75      
Croes   R.C.F. "Randal"   167   Frank Croes   Ana Maria   02-'98      
Croes   R.W. I "Chobby"   032   Oscar Marugg   Enid   01-'70      
Croes   R.W. II "Robèrt"   161   Glenn Marugg   Natasha   12-'86      
Cuba de   L.L. "Ildo"   137   Frank Croes      10-'92      
Daryanani   S.D. "Satish"   108   Noppy Henriquez †   Karin   12-'86      
Delden van   L.F. "Louis"   135   Frank Croes   Teresita   12-'91      
Donata   J.O. "Jaime"   155   Carlos E. Maduro      01-'97      
Duran   F.S. Jr. "Fillmon"   170   V. Hill   Maysen   11-'74      
Fingal   Elias   047   Horacio Oduber      05-'72      
Fingal   H.R. "Henry"   177   Maiky Croes      11-'98      
Fowler   E.D.C. "Benky"   021   Kees de Jong   Lucia   12-'66      
Fuentebella   C.E. "Toty"      Frank Croes            
Goedhoop   Ruben   183   Daniel Clement   Selena   11-'99      
Gröder   D.R. "Boepi"   115   Modesto Ruiz      04-'88      
Harms   Clyde      Frank Croes      06-'04      
Jansen   J.L. "Ludwig"      Junior Angela   Astrid   10-'03      
Jelten   E. "Eddy"   168   Frank Croes   Rosalia   02-'98      
Kock   G.F. "Giovanni"   192   Junior Angela   Suzy   10-'00      
Kock   J.H. "John"   193   Tendo Boekhoudt   Marina   10-'00      
Kock   P. "Pierre"      Junior Angela      10-'03      
Koolman   Olindo   110   Maiky Croes   Dora   12-'87      
Kuiperi   F.A. "Franky"   143   Louis van Delden   Shirley   07-'94      
Laclé   Jaime   180   Robert Croes I   Helena   08-'99      
Lampe   C. "Charlie"   051   Robert Croes I   Elsa   12-'72      
Lampe   C.M. "Mike"   152   Maiky Croes   Elina   05-'96      
Lopez   E.M. "Tito"   169   Maiky Croes   Ana Clara   02-;98      
Maduro   C.E. "Carlos"   113   John de Vries      03-'88      
Maduro   Urbano   052   Robert Croes I   Poppy   12-'72      
Maldonado   Rogelio   079   Alfonso Mirep   Cathy   02-'78      
Marugg   G.H. "Glenn"   148   Oscar Marugg   Sara   05-'72      
Marugg   Oscar   015   Wim Schol   Celsa   02-'54      
Mata   J.A. "Jaime"   182   Mike Lampe   Joan   10-'99      
Nicolaas   R.H. "Ronny"   098   Michael Fowler   Bea   09-'80      
Paris   E.L. "Eddy"   162   Glenn Marugg   Lissette   10-'97      
Oduber   H.L. "Horacio"   026   Kees de Jong   Marieta   10-'68      
Ruiz   M.L. "Dede"   071   Elias Fingal   Rocio   04-'76      
Ridderstap   A.S. "Alberto"   144   Louis van Delden   Maria   09-'94      
Solagnier   M.A. "Marcel"   172   Frank Croes   Jo-Ann   04-'98      
Simon   George   163   Frank Croes   Aura   10-'97      
Mirep   A. "Fon"   016   José Walfanzan      03-'52      
Tromp   J. "Chinto"   114   Carlos Croes   Denicia   03-'88      
Tromp   Omar      Adri Arendsz   Tamara   07-'03      
Vries de   J.J.P. "John"   106   Maiky Croes   Susana   06-'86      
Vrolijk   Augustin   164   Maiky Croes   Minerva         
Wever   K.E.O. "Karel"   125   Carlos Croes   Danilla   02-'90      
Wijk van   Giovanni   181   Rollyn Angela   Yolima   08-'99      
Wolter   O.J. "Otto"   153   Alberto Ridderstap   Rosy   05-'96   

[bleachedblack]

Caps, I know there is a list of 2004 and 2005 Lions. Maybe BB has it???

I see you already have the 2004-2005 list
....and here is the 2005-2006 list

http://www.arubalions.org/Member%20Area/member_roster_2005-2006.htm

[SS]

Some info on John Chemaly Jr.
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/5/389/492
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=85353641

This is Chemaly's MySpace link.  If you have a MySpace registration, click on his personal pictures located just under his main photograph.  There are four pages of some pretty interesting thigs. Also, click on the link that says view all friends.  There are eight or nine more pages of friends - many of them seem pretty suggestive of homosexuality.

[Rob]

I guess my point is ~ they're all crooked.

Jossy has helped Beth in my opinion. Comparing him to the Chemalys and their associates is futile. Jossy didn't do some of the things he said he would do. Such as giving the rest of the video to Kim Guilfoyle with his interview with Gerold Dompig. He indicated he would get it translated and we never heard another word. This was the interview that Jossy taped in his office on hidden cam.

Next.

The Child porn story. Part one - it exists on Aruba and elders are involved.

Part 2 - no part two - story over.

[Rob]

I already feel sorry for the next family that's going to go through what Aruba has in store. Cause it's going to happen ~ eventually. It will.

Riddles
Crooked politicians
Dirty cops
Tourism ********
Chollers
Traffic accidents
Garbage Dumps
Water Searches

etc. etc. etc

[SS]

John Chemaly is part of the MySpace Group Telluride Gay Ski Week 08.

[jackb]

Johny Chemaly opened the Mill Resort in the 80s, same time as Mansur with LaCabana.
Chemaly had a German restaurant The H something that only served German wine, then opened Valentinos.  Don't know if he still owns Mill Resort.  The name Chemaly doesn't sound German...but he must like German food...lol...

The previous editor of Aruba Today was an Oduber and Oduber owns the Solo P paper.

Isn't he the Interior Minister who recommended PVS to his judgeship type job?        Jack b

Not that I recall.

John Chemaly Jr. age in mid 30s I guess was 34 at time of pic on My Space.  Handsome man.  Got a lot of girls.  His dad is the one who recommended Palus for his job. Stats:   John Chemaly's Schools
Babson College
Wellesley, MA
Graduated: 1997
Student status: Alumni
Degree: Bachelor's Degree
Major: Finance / Investment / EPS
Minor: International Studies
 

   1992 to 1997
Fishburne Military School
Waynesboro, VA
Graduated: 1992
Student status: Alumni
Degree: High School Diploma
 

Is he part of the Lions? is he a member

On his web site on My Space he is in a tee shirt with a I would say 3 or 4 inch lion on the front in one pic.  White tee with a black lion solid.  It definately is a lion.
This is John Chemaly Jr.  It is worth taking a look to see the other tees, etc. as well.  It is a coincidence that several of them have "body inspector" tees on such as Lorenzo Rijn did. 

[SS]

In my humble opinion, there is something to the Chemalys. NO ONE WOULD CONTINUE TO EMPLOY JULIA RENFRO IF WHAT SHE WAS DOING WAS NOT AN ORDER. No one does what she has done and keeps their job unless someone has demanded you act accordingly.

The motive is right there.

I'm thinking there's something, too.  And there has to be some "order" for her to have gotten a published letter, by Mos himself, that she is not a suspect.

right, why would a non-suspect need released from non-formal status?

wonder if that has to do with the missing hard drives and the screen shots and "hidey hole"?

she is involved to the theeth. she Was there at the tables that night.

If what CAPS is telling us is accurate, I am just horrified that Julia Renfro could even pretend to befriend Beth.  How could she take Beth all over that crappy island pretending to search for Natalee when she knew first hand exactly what had happened the night before?  This must be one sick woman and a worse sociopath than Joran. 

[CapsLockWizard]

lets me sumize here:

a) If I was Julia The News  reporter walking with Beth, Why would I try to talk ugly about her in public, But by doing this she will here my songs and will not walk with me anymore. unless she knows.

The OM has offer a peace pipe but awaits the response.

B) If I was Jossy, I will talk nice about her in public , she here the songs, but in the reality there is a hidden secret not told to her,

Last change to set this straight. Who will deceive Beth.?

[SS]

Johny Chemaly opened the Mill Resort in the 80s, same time as Mansur with LaCabana.
Chemaly had a German restaurant The H something that only served German wine, then opened Valentinos.  Don't know if he still owns Mill Resort.  The name Chemaly doesn't sound German...but he must like German food...lol...

The previous editor of Aruba Today was an Oduber and Oduber owns the Solo P paper.

Isn't he the Interior Minister who recommended PVS to his judgeship type job?        Jack b

Not that I recall.

John Chemaly Jr. age in mid 30s I guess was 34 at time of pic on My Space.  Handsome man.  Got a lot of girls.  His dad is the one who recommended Palus for his job. Stats:   John Chemaly's Schools
Babson College
Wellesley, MA
Graduated: 1997
Student status: Alumni
Degree: Bachelor's Degree
Major: Finance / Investment / EPS
Minor: International Studies
 

   1992 to 1997
Fishburne Military School
Waynesboro, VA
Graduated: 1992
Student status: Alumni
Degree: High School Diploma
 

Is he part of the Lions? is he a member

On his web site on My Space he is in a tee shirt with a I would say 3 or 4 inch lion on the front in one pic.  White tee with a black lion solid.  It definately is a lion.
This is John Chemaly Jr.  It is worth taking a look to see the other tees, etc. as well.  It is a coincidence that several of them have "body inspector" tees on such as Lorenzo Rijn did. 

I noticed that T-shirt  and the Body Inspector shirt, too.  My dad was a Lion for years and a regional President.  If I recall, there logo was just the head of a lion.  The black lion on the T-shirt looks more elaborate than anything I remember.  It almost reminds me of an old German coat of arms or something.

[Chata]

In my humble opinion, there is something to the Chemalys. NO ONE WOULD CONTINUE TO EMPLOY JULIA RENFRO IF WHAT SHE WAS DOING WAS NOT AN ORDER. No one does what she has done and keeps their job unless someone has demanded you act accordingly.

The motive is right there.

I'm thinking there's something, too.  And there has to be some "order" for her to have gotten a published letter, by Mos himself, that she is not a suspect.

right, why would a non-suspect need released from non-formal status?

wonder if that has to do with the missing hard drives and the screen shots and "hidey hole"?

she is involved to the theeth. she Was there at the tables that night.

If what CAPS is telling us is accurate, I am just horrified that Julia Renfro could even pretend to befriend Beth.  How could she take Beth all over that crappy island pretending to search for Natalee when she knew first hand exactly what had happened the night before?  This must be one sick woman and a worse sociopath than Joran. 

Just a thought ...
Mary who was not a virgin ???
Mary rolled through the maze ???

Chata

[AZSunny]

Some info on John Chemaly Jr.
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/5/389/492
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=85353641

This is Chemaly's MySpace link.  If you have a MySpace registration, click on his personal pictures located just under his main photograph.  There are four pages of some pretty interesting thigs. Also, click on the link that says view all friends.  There are eight or nine more pages of friends - many of them seem pretty suggestive of homosexuality.

I am lost in the woods here.  Who is John Chemlay and his realtionship to the case?

[SS]

John A. Chemaly, Jr.

[SS]

lets me sumize here:

a) If I was Julia The News  reporter walking with Beth, Why would I try to talk ugly about her in public, But by doing this she will here my songs and will not walk with me anymore. unless she knows.

The OM has offer a peace pipe but awaits the response.

B) If I was Jossy, I will talk nice about her in public , she here the songs, but in the reality there is a hidden secret not told to her,

Last change to set this straight. Who will deceive Beth.?

CAPS, I guess both of them could deceive her.  They could both have a motive.

[hotping]

lets me sumize here:

a) If I was Julia The News  reporter walking with Beth, Why would I try to talk ugly about her in public, But by doing this she will here my songs and will not walk with me anymore. unless she knows.

The OM has offer a peace pipe but awaits the response.

B) If I was Jossy, I will talk nice about her in public , she here the songs, but in the reality there is a hidden secret not told to her,

Last change to set this straight. Who will deceive Beth.?

Julia has already deceived Beth and also maybe Julia was who Jo pran called that night.....Julia could be the She that Joran mentioned in the Patrick/Peter tapes....