SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2

[Buckeye]

Joran from Current Affair Sept 2005:

Joran van der Sloot: That is why, in the beginning, I thought she ran away with someone on the island. She ran away with a beach bum. I don’t know. Someone on the island that she might have met before. That was my first reaction.  And yeah, and afterwards, that is what we talked about to the police, and the police even agreed with me, and I just feel bad.  I really don’t know.

http://www.scrux.com/natalee/joranunedited.htm


Sounds a little like the Simian casino line...or perhaps throwing GVC under the bus.

Mum

The 116 days if VERY interesting.....

[Lala'sMom]

"one witness is no witness" ...

came up when discussing that w/o further evidence,
it takes more than a witness statement
to persuade prosecutor/judge/jury that crime was committed

confessing to a crime, w/o further evidence,
is not enough to ensure conviction
or even a trial, for that matter

habeas corpus: latin for (we command) that you have the body

"show me the body"

also interpreted/defined as: show me the evidence ...
because not all crimes involve a body

all trials must produce evidence
above/beyond witness statement or confession

we need to read entire conversations, not just codetalker quotes

Absolutely!!  I have shouted this until I am blue in the face...frankly, I have given up trying to make this understood.  The mystery posters were not just talking to themselves...ever.  They were communicating with the other people in the comment sections...just as one person answers another now. 

For example: This is the reply from Simian after edie asked this question...it is plain and simple and answer to edie and no one else.



#  edie on June 26th, 2005 2:57 pm

I don’t know what to think… I thought Steve was the “music man” and that he was singing. If he was singing, they wouldn’t have let him go would they?


# Simian on June 26th, 2005 2:58 pm

The music man’s song was not on the bill.



edie on June 26th, 2005 3:00 pm

Ok I remember you saying this but I need some elaboration. Does that mean one witness will not do or nothing he said had to do with the investigation… I know you cant tell us so I guess we will see.




Shango picks up on the conversation between Simian and the others and jumps in with:

#  max on June 26th, 2005 3:08 pm

Looks like sc providing a boat theory is out less they just couldnt prove it. Think they said you have to go out a mile before the current takes hold. Anyone know the details on that.


# Shango on June 26th, 2005 3:09 pm

Simian,

who else plays in the orchestra? A Babylonian….








Then the conversation becomes more between Simian and Shango, but Simian goes back to answer a question that was asked several minutes before when Yolande and edie are asking where Shockthemonkey is:



Simian on June 26th, 2005 3:18 pm

Shock means well. He understands the Babylonians, but they don’t hold the hammer nor the block.

The alibi needs to be broken. The party-go-ers need to be pressured. They have seen from the corners of their eyes. The house was dusted.


Context is important. MOO

[Blonde]

Were they counting the S G ?

Joran, Deepak, Satish, Steve Croes and Paulus
FOX NEWS
June 24, 2005

Joran van der Sloot (search) and his friends Deepak and Satish Kalpoe are being held under suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder.

A fourth man, party boat DJ Steve Croes, is being held under the same conditions.

The fifth man, Paul van der Sloot (search) — the father of 17-year-old Joran — was being held on suspicion of complicity to pre-meditated murder, complicity to kidnapping and murder and kidnapping. Under the Aruban system, complicity is a lesser charge.

[COLOMBO]

Were they counting the S G ?

Joran, Deepak, Satish, Steve Croes and Paulus
FOX NEWS
June 24, 2005

Joran van der Sloot (search) and his friends Deepak and Satish Kalpoe are being held under suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder.

A fourth man, party boat DJ Steve Croes, is being held under the same conditions.

The fifth man, Paul van der Sloot (search) — the father of 17-year-old Joran — was being held on suspicion of complicity to pre-meditated murder, complicity to kidnapping and murder and kidnapping. Under the Aruban system, complicity is a lesser charge.

PVDS? murder & kidnapping???? perhaps the "boyfriend from earlier in the week" cover story was better for tourism, and fit the evidence (evidence had PVDS in a legal checkmate)

[CapsLockWizard]

Where is everyone...The decoder team.. have send you all and Mbox.

Check it.

you have to read Simian first for the keys and then pick up Shango and decode.

Shango need to be put in date and time sequeance first and then split... it has two stories morph into one document. there is two of each entities or players. a bit more complex but once the split it will be easy with Simian key's

CAPSLOCKWIZARD

[JE]

Klaas i have a question

on old post of yours said:

Coming from the same IP, from Florida but a different email addy.  Interresting too something I just noticed.  Another nickname using that same IP.  Robalo33, posting along side of Shango and the Simian doppledangler on June 28th starting at 1:28am through 2:22am.

Was Robalo's IP the same as Shango's and can you also see where that ip is located?(In what city or area ?)

[JE]

Anywhere near Jacksonville?

[MumInOhio]

JE…From the last thread

Only David left the den alive…is what started me on David when I saw him mentioned in Joran’s book. I am not sure if this is a ‘real Shango post’ or not!

On the highly ranked official at the van der Sloots house…I will have to go back and check if it was Smid or Wit, but I recall there was a ‘conflict of interest’ comment as he was at the house. I was confused as to if he meant being there on the weekend of May 29/30th. or the day of the search…June 15th. Still have not figured it out, but guessed it to be Wit because of the search.

The post you mentioned re the 112 days….that is from a Mirian Ernest post, IIRC…will have a look at it.

From page 3 of this thread…did you see my post on the 116 days? Thanks Buckeye…it is ‘very interesting’…

[MumInOhio]

SS and texasmom…I am a little confused on the Solognier/Solagnier names. Can either you help? Are they connected or are they two separated families? TIA

Altruist…there was discussion on the NAH thread about a party on the ‘Tattoo’ about a month or so ago. Klaas posted that there was one on the Saturday night, as the place where the after-party for the Soul Beach Festival became too crowded and some partied on the ‘Tattoo’. I have wondered if there was one on the Sunday as well, but if it was a big party, I’m sure we would have at least heard something from tourists.

Interesting that Aruba lost the Soul Beach Festival for 2006/2007 and appears to have it back this year, IIRC...what happened to 'no wampum for many years'?

[COLOMBO]

Klaas i have a question

on old post of yours said:

Coming from the same IP, from Florida but a different email addy.  Interresting too something I just noticed.  Another nickname using that same IP.  Robalo33, posting along side of Shango and the Simian doppledangler on June 28th starting at 1:28am through 2:22am.

Was Robalo's IP the same as Shango's and can you also see where that ip is located?(In what city or area ?)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Robalo_(SS-273)

[JE]

JE…From the last thread

Only David left the den alive…is what started me on David when I saw him mentioned in Joran’s book. I am not sure if this is a ‘real Shango post’ or not!

On the highly ranked official at the van der Sloots house…I will have to go back and check if it was Smid or Wit, but I recall there was a ‘conflict of interest’ comment as he was at the house. I was confused as to if he meant being there on the weekend of May 29/30th. or the day of the search…June 15th. Still have not figured it out, but guessed it to be Wit because of the search.

The post you mentioned re the 112 days….that is from a Mirian Ernest post, IIRC…will have a look at it.

From page 3 of this thread…did you see my post on the 116 days? Thanks Buckeye…it is ‘very interesting’…

The number 112

Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 5:30 pm Post subject: Contradicting counsels...
Occum was a smart man, yet the process is to eliminate. Too many assumptions of wells and dirty waters. The babylonians and the gringos are shooting a fly with a cannon.

The mutts are said to never be wrong. The cowboys are angry, but they may get shot down on trespassing.

Look for counsels to call for bruised toes. They too know the palace well. 112 is the number brought in. None have added. Whose hand is still in he picture?

Some têtes will roll in the weeks ahead. tetes I believe means heads

Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 5:43 pm Post subject: Ingrown nails and bruised toes hiding under black togas....
Look for counsels tomorrow getting off on tainted stories and rotten reputations.

Phones hacked by the babylonian hand. 112 pieces of the puzzle that don't fit.

The well is full of technicalities. Do not be surprised. Merian has been right before.

The number 116

82.   Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
The new hammer and block could not island hop. The Babylonians can’t keep the gates shut forever. The days are 116 and they each have a number.
The Babylonians can’t use the whip on the boy. A elder is playing mute. If he doesn’t know, why did he heed the call?
The music man is singing. His song is not on the bill. One witness is not a witness.
Posted Jun 25, 9:16 PM | Edit Comment | Delete Comment | Edit Post “Natalee Holloway; Saturday June 25” | View Post

I saw your 116 days from disappearance to election interesting indeed, dont know what to make of it yet though

[MumInOhio]

JE…From the last thread

Only David left the den alive…is what started me on David when I saw him mentioned in Joran’s book. I am not sure if this is a ‘real Shango post’ or not!

On the highly ranked official at the van der Sloots house…I will have to go back and check if it was Smid or Wit, but I recall there was a ‘conflict of interest’ comment as he was at the house. I was confused as to if he meant being there on the weekend of May 29/30th. or the day of the search…June 15th. Still have not figured it out, but guessed it to be Wit because of the search.

The post you mentioned re the 112 days….that is from a Mirian Ernest post, IIRC…will have a look at it.

From page 3 of this thread…did you see my post on the 116 days? Thanks Buckeye…it is ‘very interesting’…

The number 112

Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 5:30 pm Post subject: Contradicting counsels...
Occum was a smart man, yet the process is to eliminate. Too many assumptions of wells and dirty waters. The babylonians and the gringos are shooting a fly with a cannon.

The mutts are said to never be wrong. The cowboys are angry, but they may get shot down on trespassing.

Look for counsels to call for bruised toes. They too know the palace well. 112 is the number brought in. None have added. Whose hand is still in he picture? FREDDY'S

Some têtes will roll in the weeks ahead. tetes I believe means heads

Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 5:43 pm Post subject: Ingrown nails and bruised toes hiding under black togas....
Look for counsels tomorrow getting off on tainted stories and rotten reputations.

Phones hacked by the babylonian hand. 112 pieces of the puzzle that don't fit.

The well is full of technicalities. Do not be surprised. Merian has been right before.

The number 116

82.   Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
The new hammer and block could not island hop. The Babylonians can’t keep the gates shut forever. The days are 116 and they each have a number.
The Babylonians can’t use the whip on the boy. A elder is playing mute. If he doesn’t know, why did he heed the call?
The music man is singing. His song is not on the bill. One witness is not a witness.
Posted Jun 25, 9:16 PM | Edit Comment | Delete Comment | Edit Post “Natalee Holloway; Saturday June 25” | View Post

I saw your 116 days from disappearance to election interesting indeed, dont know what to make of it yet though

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My response...I messed up the quote...LOL...need more coffee!
Not sure what to make of it either, but it is interesting. Thanks for bringing the 112 posts over.

[MumInOhio]

Klaas i have a question

on old post of yours said:

Coming from the same IP, from Florida but a different email addy.  Interresting too something I just noticed.  Another nickname using that same IP.  Robalo33, posting along side of Shango and the Simian doppledangler on June 28th starting at 1:28am through 2:22am.

Was Robalo's IP the same as Shango's and can you also see where that ip is located?(In what city or area ?)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Robalo_(SS-273)

Good Morning...I think! I am not sure what a sunken WW2 sub has to do with a poster...LOL

Back to catching up and more coffee...

[MumInOhio]

From Lala’s:
Context is important. MOO

Thanks and please keep posting ‘in context’!


From Buckeye:
Joran from Current Affair Sept 2005:

Joran van der Sloot: That is why, in the beginning, I thought she ran away with someone on the island. She ran away with a beach bum. I don’t know. Someone on the island that she might have met before. That was my first reaction.  And yeah, and afterwards, that is what we talked about to the police, and the police even agreed with me, and I just feel bad.  I really don’t know.

http://www.scrux.com/natalee/joranunedited.htm


Sounds a little like the Simian casino line...or perhaps throwing GVC under the bus.

Yes on throwing GVC under the bus...

[JE]

The reason i asked about the location

[MumInOhio]

This is Steve Croes mother...from the last thread...not sure if it will help anyone checking out the ancestry.

 Reply #3130 on: March 05, 2008, 06:43:37 PM »  From vms

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Quote from: Blonde on March 05, 2008, 06:28:36 PM
Anyone remember SC's Mother didn't she  live in CURACAO

IMOLDA STATIA SALIANA

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/27/ltm.05.html
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[Blonde]

I hate to tell you this, but I put location Mars you can put anythng you want on there.

[MumInOhio]

I hate to tell you this, but I put location Mars you can put anythng you want on there.

Morning Blonde...It took me a while to work out which location...Steve's mom's or robalo 33's!!!!

[JE]

I hate to tell you this, but I put location Mars you can put anythng you want on there.

I am aware of that. I just thought i should mention it

[MumInOhio]

Was Paulus arrested/detained before June 23rd.2005? And if so, on what date...changes the 5th. of course if he was, say around the 13th.???? Also depends on how Simian is defining his suspects!!!

February 03, 2008, 11:10:53 AM
Quote from: MumInOhio on February 03, 2008, 11:03:29 AM
beans...did you see my question to you on page 35...TIA
Is your question whether or not Paulus spent the night in jail?  He did - he was there for only a short time - I remember him walking out with his attorney and the plastic bag (Aruban Samsonite) with his things in it.  I posted I thought it was the 14th of June but someone later said it was the 17th I believe.  I was going from memory and estimating.

Frijole… February 01, 2008, 08:59:54 PM

Yes, because the confession that didn't happen (cough, spit) took place on June 10th.  I think the 14th was around the time that Paulus spent the night in the slammer.  Rocks were painted on 12th/13th (arubay videos).

In fact a ton of activity was around that time.  That is when the real cover up began.
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From RWV…my translation...sorry!

Civilian,
Awe mi a scucha na radio cu parece un di e bewakernan a bisa cu Joran tabata yora den cel y cu e ta masha preocupa y parece cu e la bisa Jones cu nan tres a palabra canto di pool na Joran su cas. Dus cada rato tin un otro version. Dus ban mira awor kiko ta sali di e caso aki. Mi ta spera cu un di nan papia pa caba pasobra e cuenta ki tin mi harta! Pero cualkier cos mi ta laga bo sa. Kiermen awor aki TopFm 95.1 ta bezig ta buscando informashon pa wak si Joran enberdad tin pool na su cas.

Posted by: Aruban | Monday, June 13, 2005 at 02:24 PM
today i have listen at radio cu parece one of the bewakernan owing to tell cu joran was cry in cel y cu the is very preocupa y parece cu the la tell jones cu they three owing to word canto of pool at joran his cas. dus cada rato have one another version. dus as see now what is leave of the caso here. i am wait for cu one of they talk for end because the cuenta what have my harta! but cualkier cos i am let do you know. kiermen now here topfm 95.1 is bezig is buscando information for look at if joran enberdad have pool at his cas. come across

From Simian:

Simian on June 23rd, 2005 2:23 pm
The older Van Der Sloot has been taken in again by Aruban Police.

Simian on June 23rd, 2005 2:27 pm
Can’t confirm that he is detained. He has been taken in again by the authorities.