SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2

[MumInOhio]

SS….A.B.

Page 176, 177 and 178…may be a couple of posts on each page.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.3500

It looks like some still think that he is Adnin Bikker.  Adnin Bikker was also on the list of 2004-05 members of the Lions Club that CAPS had us looking at.  I wonder if he was one of CAP'S party goers at Brickell Bay? 

Not sure...I have always been more interested in the Arends and Arendz from that list. Confusion as to which one was questioned, well it appears that both Juniors were, but when would be important and the the Race Junkies connection...and of course the Freddy connection.

Yesterday. CAPS pointed to Arendz on that same list.

I must have missed it...what did he say?

I know it was the Arends boy that Scubajap tried to point everyone away from, as possibly being at the van der Sloot's that night.  She said it was the Arendz kid.  Wait wasn't that Freddy...LOL...Well it was some-one with the last name of Arends.

It's back about 4 or 5 pages when CAPS had us pulling up the names of the 2004-05 Lions Club members.  He told us to look at the tail twister who was Arendsz.

Thanks SS...will try and check back in the morning...seems a little familiar...the tail twister part.

[bleachedblack]

MumInOhio wrote;

Hi BB...Scuba posted at RWV that she spoke to his Dad in a movie theater in Florida and he was shocked to hear his son's name mentioned in the case. It's in the other thread somewhere or I may have saved it. I have to leave in a bit, but will see if I can find it later.

Seems there was confusion over which one was questioned when Lorenzo was and of course neither of them are in the Dr Phil documents.

I recall pictures of both with their Dads. Max', that is were posted not so long ago on the NAH thread.

Hi Mum
This info about Max has been around since the very first days, not even sure that it has ever been confirmed. I do recall it being said that Max and his family lived near the Sloots and that he often spent the night at Jorans. The most interesting point in this connection IMO is that his father is a member of the Lions Den uh I mean club.

[AZSunny]

One thing I do recall is that Maximillano (Bibi) Arends member of Lions Club 2005 is father of Max (Ibbi) Arends , a friend of Jorans who had left Aruba to attend Valencia Community College in Florida. He was apparently questioned and released on 6-17-2005.



http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=203.msg251244

That guys eyebrows are just too perfect.  is he a model too?

[COLOMBO]

Now that my head has stopped spinning....let's continue. LOL


What about Freddy?  Why would Kalpoes say he needs to tell the truth?  Was he the movie guy at the party?   Seems that Joran is missing from a lot of the equations from yesterday...where does he fit into all this?  Why does it matter if Natalee was a virgin or not?  I am a little lost on that particular aspect.  It doesn't change what happened to her, or does it?   Just a few questions that jumped out at me yesterday...questions that I am sure many will eventually ask concerning the info from yesterday.  Thinking outside the box can be a good thing.

Good Morning Lala's...Best Bud Freddy!....Interesting for me when I read my first posts that my thoughts haven't changed much, when it comes to Freddy....whatever he calls himself! If I could be positive of his last name, maybe the pieces of the puzzle would fit together!

Only thing I can think of whether it would matter if Natalee was a virgin or not, would be the 'Mary who was not a virgin'...meaning they got the wrong girl!

Precisely!  If it wasn't the virgin girl..then was it supposed to be...??

I say Yes!…Because of Beth’s reaction, especially what she thought the day she found out. And then there is the Bacchus’ reaction.

I think this is where the ‘bird on the wire’ come in and probably has to do with the link that COLUMBO posted yesterday. Timewise it makes sense.

Interesting…that boat Captain’s name was Rodriguez…another coincidence.

where was it towed?

[COLOMBO]

I remember seeing Joran state on the news that NH had told him that she was a virgin......though he never stated whether or not he had asked her (or anybody else) the question

[MumInOhio]

Reprieve...DH has a flat and is not a happy camper....hope he cheers up by the time he gets home.

COLUMBO...I read a couple of other articles on this yesterday and I thought I saw something about St. Maarten?  All the DEA News I read are to do with Puerto Rico though, so this makes sense.

http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/kouri/051019


The crew of the M/V Sea Atlantic was arrested and the ship was escorted to Puerto Rico by the USCG Cutter Vigorous. The following crew members of the M/V Sea Atlantic are now in federal custody, according to arrest reports:

Alicides Rodriguez Duran, 38, citizen of Venezuela
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Do you recall how early on that was that you saw that with Joran?...He is friends with Julia, maybe he told her. Well Paulus is...IFA....TIA

[COLOMBO]

Mum:

Was very early on......

"the gamblers also took note"
"how could so may gamblers be wrong....."

[COLOMBO]

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:49 pm
The maze offers many hidden desires
deflowerings of forbidden fruits
DirtyHand knows.
So does the elder.

[MumInOhio]

MumInOhio wrote;

Hi BB...Scuba posted at RWV that she spoke to his Dad in a movie theater in Florida and he was shocked to hear his son's name mentioned in the case. It's in the other thread somewhere or I may have saved it. I have to leave in a bit, but will see if I can find it later.

Seems there was confusion over which one was questioned when Lorenzo was and of course neither of them are in the Dr Phil documents.

I recall pictures of both with their Dads. Max', that is were posted not so long ago on the NAH thread.

Hi Mum
This info about Max has been around since the very first days, not even sure that it has ever been confirmed. I do recall it being said that Max and his family lived near the Sloots and that he often spent the night at Jorans. The most interesting point in this connection IMO is that his father is a member of the Lions Den uh I mean club.

Do you recall the first posts when Freddy was arrested?....Freddy Arends?

[COLOMBO]

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:52 pm
DirtyHand has walked through the maze
He knows of the forbidden fruit
and the gardeners

[MumInOhio]

One thing I do recall is that Maximillano (Bibi) Arends member of Lions Club 2005 is father of Max (Ibbi) Arends , a friend of Jorans who had left Aruba to attend Valencia Community College in Florida. He was apparently questioned and released on 6-17-2005.



http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=203.msg251244

That guys eyebrows are just too perfect.  is he a model too?

There is a myspace or hi5 site for him in the other thread...I went to look for it last week and couldn't remember the page number. Will look tomorrow as I am pretty sure I can find it, and repost it. I can't remember much about him that was why I went looking...LOL

The eyebrows remind me of the guy in the "Haunting Evidence' sketch...and the hairline.

[MumInOhio]

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:52 pm
DirtyHand has walked through the maze
He knows of the forbidden fruit
and the gardeners

All that talk of the gardener yesterday has me totally confused. Need sleep and coffee to respond to your posts, COLUMBO.

If I get this one can I graduate pre-school?

Back in the morning...have a good evening everyone!

[Buckeye]

Trivia

Did you know that the term "dirty martini" came about because the bartender would put his dirty hand over a jar of olives and drip in a little of the olive juice??

[COLOMBO]

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:52 pm
DirtyHand has walked through the maze
He knows of the forbidden fruit
and the gardeners

All that talk of the gardener yesterday has me totally confused. Need sleep and coffee to respond to your posts, COLUMBO.

If I get this one can I graduate pre-school?

Back in the morning...have a good evening everyone!

Might be some hope......nah-forget it.......

Last sequence relate to underlying motivation regarding recent topic in one of our exchanges

[CapsLockWizard]

Lala e klaasend e TM, cassetta postale

[Blonde]

Max Arends – questioned & released on 6-17-05.
Paul Van Der Sloot arrested 6-23-05
Freddy Zedan Arambatzis – arrested 8-26-06 not directly related to case

[bleachedblack]

MumInOhio wrote;

Hi BB...Scuba posted at RWV that she spoke to his Dad in a movie theater in Florida and he was shocked to hear his son's name mentioned in the case. It's in the other thread somewhere or I may have saved it. I have to leave in a bit, but will see if I can find it later.

Seems there was confusion over which one was questioned when Lorenzo was and of course neither of them are in the Dr Phil documents.

I recall pictures of both with their Dads. Max', that is were posted not so long ago on the NAH thread.

Hi Mum
This info about Max has been around since the very first days, not even sure that it has ever been confirmed. I do recall it being said that Max and his family lived near the Sloots and that he often spent the night at Jorans. The most interesting point in this connection IMO is that his father is a member of the Lions Den uh I mean club.

Do you recall the first posts when Freddy was arrested?....Freddy Arends?

Don't ever recall a Freddy Arends.

[jackb]

I remember seeing Joran state on the news that NH had told him that she was a virgin......though he never stated whether or not he had asked her (or anybody else) the question

Maybe she was until they gang-raped her, before trying to take he to someone else and pass her off as still being unspoiled.  They probably realized it and threatened Joran and his gang of aholes.  jackb

[hotping]

I remember seeing Joran state on the news that NH had told him that she was a virgin......though he never stated whether or not he had asked her (or anybody else) the question

Maybe she was until they gang-raped her, before trying to take he to someone else and pass her off as still being unspoiled.  They probably realized it and threatened Joran and his gang of aholes.  jackb

Jack I thought the same thing...How else would Joran so confidently say that She was a virgin.....

[Buckeye]

Mum

I do remember the initial Freddy Arends.  I think it was a mistake and corrected.  Found this at websleuths:

08-29-2005, 06:42 AM
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Honestly,I'm having real confusion over Freddies name.When I first,I meen very first,heard about those arrests of K2 and Freddie the other day I heard some newscaster on TV say his name was Frederick Arends or F.A.I know y'all are gonna think I'm crazy!!!I found an aruban list,it's in dutch so I couldn't read the title above the list,but I was doing a search on aruban students looking for the correct spelling of Arambatzis and this list came up and there is a Frederick Jacinthus Arends on list. It says he lives in Catiri Aruba,which is right by Oranjestad.Ok everyone tell me I'm a nut!!!I'll admit it freely.


I've seen discussion elsewhere about this. I think there is indeed a Freddy Arends and there are others who heard reports that it was Arends who was arrested, but the last name got corrected quickly to the right guy.
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