SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2

[MumInOhio]

Sorry Mum, sometimes I post before reading all posts and before coffee, bad Blonde

Blonde…I think I have had too much coffee…LOL

What I have been trying to work out is how the name Arends became attached to Freddy Zedan Arambatzis.(Will call him Zedan as not to confuse with the other A’s…LOL)

We know about Max Arends, Joran’s friend and Max Arendz, Lorenzo’s friend. In August when Freddy Zedan was arrested, somehow the name Arends came out first. It’s possible that it surfaced because it was mentioned back in June with young Max, Joran’s friend, on the 17th. Possibly somebody recalled it from then.

There is in fact a Frederick Arends, address 7A Catiri, who works with computers. Coincidently Freddy Zedan’s address for his apartment has been posted as 7A Catiri. It was also posted that Freddy Zedan was a computer whiz.

So is this just a simple mistake, two people morphed into one, again, or is there possibly an Arends connection to Freddy Zedan?

Confused?…LOL

Thanks vms...maybe Blonde can help...if she can understand my post...LOL

Good Morning all!

It was a mistake but that's JMO...

Thanks vms...I know you felt that when I asked about the address on the old thread. I can see it happening.

Just keeps gnawing away at me...LOL...along with the fact that Freddy was released secretly in September. And Ernesto being so quiet. I am wondering about Freddy being the 'protected witness'?

Oops. Didn't realize I had already stated my opinion on that.  Sorry. Nothing like someone trying to push their own opinions over and over. 

It was just SO hard to muddle through all the info when it was happening...

It was only the address bit. I asked about it when it was posted. LOL...I was hoping you wouldn't be offended that I didn't just listen to your opinion the first time.

Maybe it's just Freddy that is gnawing away at me...LOL

[MumInOhio]

Are we trying to determine Oduber's whereabouts on the night in question?  Just wondering why all the stuff about him being in USA which has been known for a while.  I think I am mixed up on the reasoning here...somebody please explain. TIA

Morning monkeys.

Lala's...I finally found the link to the OAS Florida summit the other day and also the one from I think May 23rd or so that was in Washington DC.
The Florida summit was from June 5-7 and he returned the morning of June 9th.

I need to go through the link of the DC summit and make sure he was there. I am trying to make sure that he was not in Aruba on May 29/30th.

Does that help?...LOL

Yes, thank you.  I was trying to fit the Loesge posts into his being gone during that time and I could not.  As I understand it, Colombo believes there is something to those posts.  I guess I was just over thinking it all.

For the Loesge posts to work, we have to have Oduber on Aruba that night. I have it bookmarked and will check it and let you know.

[MumInOhio]

Why couldn't Freddy have two addresses?  Would you not have different addresses if you owned more than one home or apartment or used one for business purposes?  If I am not mistaken, Kermit supplied that information and even though he's a sly green frog he is usually quite spot on with his information.  I wonder where he's been lately? 

I know Lala's...Kermit knows his stuff and that is why it has been bugging me! I can't even find out how close to the Sloot's it is or anything! I hope he stops in and sees us asking about it and lead me down the right path with this one.

[jackb]

Quote jackb: « Reply #704 on: April 01, 2008, 08:45:03 PM »

ALSO:  This is IMPORTANT.  I goofed, it was not Chemaly (interior minister) as I had Chemaly of the brain.  It was:

Interior Minister Johan Remkes was called upon by Rudy Croes to take over the Natalee Holloway investigation in August of last year. Official Remkes is the individual who recommended Paulus van der Sloot be appointed to the bench of the Joint Court.


Thank You jackb for posting this. So Rudy appointed this guy, who in turn appointed Paulus. And Rudy also appointed the Police Commissioners, some with obviously no qualifications.

I wonder if he was really in Holland and returned on June 3rd. Just because Aruban press said so, doesn't make it so.

Great candidate for Arawak Dirty Hand along with his brother Hendrick!

No, Rudy did NOT appoint Remkes.  Rudy would have had to request his help.  Rudy is not in a position to appoint (then) Remkes.  The Ministry is called the "mother" of all departments as they oversee so many different agencies in the Antilles and NL.  Rudy did, however call upon Remkes to send the NL help it seems and Remkes is the one who is the one who is supposed to have recommended PVS to his job.

I wonder if Joran's name has been changed from Johan?  Makes me wonder if he was named after this minister.   j/b

Thanks jackb for clearing that up...now I am bad....Do you perhaps have some links on that or idea where you found the information?   TIA

Which specific informaation are you referring to?  j/b

[hotping]

Julia clearly with her camera

Does Anyone know who the blonde is beside Julia in this pic? TIA

[CapsLockWizard]

Julia clearly with her camera

Does Anyone know who the blonde is beside Julia in this pic? TIA

On the Night in question Julia was there. From the list of dirtyhands who would be Julia lover.

This is a touchi question, but that will clear a doubt

[Lala'sMom]

Julia clearly with her camera

Does Anyone know who the blonde is beside Julia in this pic? TIA

A better question is why would that poor guy be seen in a picture with them?....bad, bad monkey...slapping my own paws...bad, bad, bad. 

[vms]

Sorry Mum, sometimes I post before reading all posts and before coffee, bad Blonde

Blonde…I think I have had too much coffee…LOL

What I have been trying to work out is how the name Arends became attached to Freddy Zedan Arambatzis.(Will call him Zedan as not to confuse with the other A’s…LOL)

We know about Max Arends, Joran’s friend and Max Arendz, Lorenzo’s friend. In August when Freddy Zedan was arrested, somehow the name Arends came out first. It’s possible that it surfaced because it was mentioned back in June with young Max, Joran’s friend, on the 17th. Possibly somebody recalled it from then.

There is in fact a Frederick Arends, address 7A Catiri, who works with computers. Coincidently Freddy Zedan’s address for his apartment has been posted as 7A Catiri. It was also posted that Freddy Zedan was a computer whiz.

So is this just a simple mistake, two people morphed into one, again, or is there possibly an Arends connection to Freddy Zedan?

Confused?…LOL

Thanks vms...maybe Blonde can help...if she can understand my post...LOL

Good Morning all!

It was a mistake but that's JMO...

Thanks vms...I know you felt that when I asked about the address on the old thread. I can see it happening.

Just keeps gnawing away at me...LOL...along with the fact that Freddy was released secretly in September. And Ernesto being so quiet. I am wondering about Freddy being the 'protected witness'?

Oops. Didn't realize I had already stated my opinion on that.  Sorry. Nothing like someone trying to push their own opinions over and over. 

It was just SO hard to muddle through all the info when it was happening...

It was only the address bit. I asked about it when it was posted. LOL...I was hoping you wouldn't be offended that I didn't just listen to your opinion the first time.

Maybe it's just Freddy that is gnawing away at me...LOL

Not offended at all! An opinion is just that. 

ARENDS, FREDERICK JACINTHUS; 
Residing in  CATIRI 7-A, NOORD, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 27 JANUARY 1959 

[CapsLockWizard]

Julia clearly with her camera

Does Anyone know who the blonde is beside Julia in this pic? TIA

A better question is why would that poor guy be seen in a picture with them?....bad, bad monkey...slapping my own paws...bad, bad, bad. 

I see a dirtyhand in that picture. he is at the left in the back.

[Lala'sMom]

Kermit's info on Freddy and his address:

   
Page 114 Jorans book
Joran visits neighbor Freddy

7A Catiri Freddy Zedan Arambatziz

ARAMBATZIS-RODRIGUEZ ALBERT     LILIAN REGINA     MONTANJA     39-F
http://www.arubachamber.com/DISKKLEINBEDRIJF31JULI2004.htm


#39-F Montana (Montanja), Noord

Freddy’s house:
7A Catiri (apartment)

Mom's address is: 62 Montana is ARAMBATZIS-RODRIGUEZ address in NOORD

WELCO
Catiri 1
NOORD
Tel: (297) 5871916
Fax:

PARADISE RESTAURANT
Catiri 5 A
NOORD
Tel: (297) 5879126
Fax:
5-TH GEAR ART PRODUCTIONS
Catiri 6
ORANJESTAD
Tel: (297) 5871241
Fax: (297) 5871241
Email: lemminga@setarnet.aw

[pinkbanana]

Hi all....u people r GREAT...one day I will join in with ya....

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[Lala'sMom]

More from Kermit:  I think this is part of an interview with Art Wood.

Art: It could have been Freddy. I've seen a lot of interviews, one of those interviews talks about the fact Paul had gotten attorneys for thse kids the first week in June before they were even arrested. He got an attorney for Freddy, who wasn't even arrested until September. That tells you a lot an Freddy is one of the 5 people I mentioned earlier.

.
Freddy Zedan-Arambatzis,  is accused of taking photos of a minor female in "tempting poses" and of showing the photos to other people, said his lawyer, Diana Emerencia. He is also suspected of having unspecified "physical contact" with the girl, she said.
FREDDY’S ATTORNEY: DIANE Emerencia, or Lady Eyes




TUESDAY,  MAY 31
 
sometime during the day ** Sander calls  Freddy. ** The conversation went concerning my telephone that was stolen ( SG - 6/17)



Freddy knew about the invented Holiday Inn and the tale which my brother and I and Joran told and that the missing girl was dropped off at the beach at the Marriott. My brother Deepak had told me that he and Joran invented the tale but to Freddy the beach tale was told.
Satish Kalpoe Suspect Statement 06/24/05



Satish Kalpoe Suspect Statement 06/30/05
Freddy is the person Joran confides in and he can tell you the truth.


Freddy is a light colored latino from Venezuela that only spoke papi.
(page 1 Joran's book)


Joran and Freddy often went to the beach. He got him in touch with the pretty girls.
(page 5 Joran's book)

Joran says Freddy introduced in to the paradise that had always been in front of him.
(Page 5 Joran's book)

together with Freddy and Jaime Joran would trawl the beaches and swimming pools to chat up tourists
(Page 1 Joran's book)


"the pimpology crew"

 Freddy was my best friend
(page 7 Joran's book and Freddy Zedan Witness Statement June 12th 2005)
I tell my father that I want to talk to Freddy to talk about this whole thing.
Freddy practically lives next to me and is one of my best friends.

DAVE: Any name that is mentioned in the interrogation was called in for questioning.
(Source: BFN - Dave Holloway shared with BFN Chat)

June 13, 2005 - Freddy witness statement
June 16, 2005 - Freddy Alexander Arambatzis statement
June 17, 2005 - Freddy witness statement
June 28, 2005 - Freddy Alexander Zedan Arambatzis witness statement
July 1, 2005 - Freddy witness statement
July 20, 2005 - Freddy witness statement
Feb. 10, 2006 - Freddy witness statment


D: And I also trusted Freddy like a brother.
(Polis tapes)


D: He keeps information behind. You know that Van der Sloot trusts Freddy with his life.
Freddy knows what has happened. Freddy knows the truth.
D: Freddy knows, Freddy knows.
S: I’ve just said, Freddy also knows about the story of what happened, ask him.
D: Freddy knows
(Polis tapes)




BENVINDA DE SOUZA - ATTORNEY : The rearrest of the Kalpoe brothers is based on the new facts and circumstances that in the course of the investigation have come forward. Freddy who is Joran’s best friend and neighbour is always with Joran a

The official charges on Freddy Zedan-Arambatzis are intentionally distribute and show sexual images of a minor; intercourse with someone he knows is unconscious and sexual acts with a girl younger than 16 years. I do believe he will remain in custody for quite some time. It is my understanding, that strategically he is a very important suspect along with Joran and the Kalpoe brothers.(Helen Lejuez - Family's Aruban Attorney,Benvinda de Souza - Family's Aruban Attorney on At Large w/ Geraldo Rivera - August 27, 2005)


MARTINA, Karen Theresa Paulina   – Allegedly was in porn video taped by Freddy. Joran admits to having sex with her multiple times.  Was named by JQK as a date rape victim of Joran, but Tacopina claims she has said it was consensual



LEJUEZ: : She is a minor, so I won’t say anything about her. She has been involved in whatever the young man is being accused of right now. She is not the only one. The news we are getting right now is there are sex films that are being produced for selling. I think this information I am getting right now is bigger than even we expected.



Monday afternoon on the 30th, Joran came to my house.(Joran's book)



Prosecutor's office spokeswoman Mariaine Croes told FOX News that the third person was a man known as "Freddy" or "F.A.," said to be a friend of Joran van der Sloot, who has been held in the case since June 9.

[Lala'sMom]

From Websleuths...VBulletin site 2005:


08-28-2005, 11:28 PM
rollerbladr123 rollerbladr123
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Arambatziz-Zedan
Confusion over Freddy's last name is said to result from naming conventions which can be difficult for some to interpret. Apparently the name of both parents or their family names are taken at birth and Zedan may be Freddy's Mother's maiden name.


08-29-2005, 03:43 AM
upallnite upallnite is offline
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Hey rollerbladr!!!!
Honestly,I'm having real confusion over Freddies name.When I first,I meen very first,heard about those arrests of K2 and Freddie the other day I heard some newscaster on TV say his name was Frederick Arends or F.A.I know y'all are gonna think I'm crazy!!!I found an aruban list,it's in dutch so I couldn't read the title above the list,but I was doing a search on aruban students looking for the correct spelling of Arambatzis and this list came up and there is a Frederick Jacinthus Arends on list. It says he lives in Catiri Aruba,which is right by Oranjestad.Ok everyone tell me I'm a nut!!!I'll admit it freely.

08-29-2005, 06:42 AM
Larkit Larkit is offline
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    I've seen discussion elsewhere about this. I think there is indeed a Freddy Arends and there are others who heard reports that it was Arends who was arrested, but the last name got corrected quickly to the right guy.

[Lala'sMom]

Don't know if that helped or muddy the waters even more.  Just more food for thought...speaking of food...gosh, I am hungry now!

[vms]

DVD LAND & CD
CATIRI 7-A, NOORD

http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=31022

[CapsLockWizard]

Fellow Monkeys, Today we put to rest the issue of the virgin issue away. it is solved.

CAPS says: the issue that confused the world was that the riddle uses Boolean Logic to confuse the readers and so Mary = Natalee and Mary = Julia Renfro the photographer

Now, how do we know which Mary in the Riddle is Natalee or which one is Julia

The answer is in the Boolean Logic test put in the statements.

Please continue working on the party-goers, I see mayor progress. keeps tose names. need them later

On the Julia issue, does she take pictures her self or does she has someone to do it for her.?

Now when I was in Hollywood, I took a tour of the set "The Shango" and the Director said Cut and then he said ?????

Back to the drawing board and reassamble phase.

Partial Question was answer

A) she goes everywhere with the cam, but she was there becase she took the pictures and she was also IN the pictues XXX and now I need the Lion part of that XXX

The last question in my post was not answer.

[MumInOhio]

DVD LAND & CD
CATIRI 7-A, NOORD

http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=31022

Thank You...vms and Lala's...that guy would be old enough to be Freddy's Dad!

[MumInOhio]

Fellow Monkeys, Today we put to rest the issue of the virgin issue away. it is solved.

CAPS says: the issue that confused the world was that the riddle uses Boolean Logic to confuse the readers and so Mary = Natalee and Mary = Julia Renfro the photographer

Now, how do we know which Mary in the Riddle is Natalee or which one is Julia

The answer is in the Boolean Logic test put in the statements.

Please continue working on the party-goers, I see mayor progress. keeps tose names. need them later

On the Julia issue, does she take pictures her self or does she has someone to do it for her.?

Now when I was in Hollywood, I took a tour of the set "The Shango" and the Director said Cut and then he said ?????

Back to the drawing board and reassamble phase.

Partial Question was answer

A) she goes everywhere with the cam, but she was there becase she took the pictures and she was also IN the pictues XXX and now I need the Lion part of that XXX

The last question in my post was not answer.

Sorry Caps...I am behind trying to track down Oduber and Freddy. I don't know who the other blonde is.

Who is the Dirty Hand in the pic? And why would Julie go everywhere with her camera? I thought she was the reporter?

[MumInOhio]

Does this say film production...????? I think so....

From vms' link

OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY 
 
A. HET VERKOPEN EN VERHUREN VAN DVD'S EN CD'S.
B. DE KLEINHANDEL IN ELECTRISCHE- EN ELECTRONISCHE APPARATEN EN ARTIKELEN.
C. HET EXPLOITEREN VAN EEN FILMPRODUKTIE-, VIDEOPRODUKTIE-, FOTOGRAFISCH-, EN AUDIO-, GRAFISCHBEDRIJF;
D. HET IN VERBAND MET HET VORENSTAANDE EXPLOITEREN VAN EEN RECLAME BUREAU;
C. HET ADVISEREN EN VERLENEN VAN DIENSTEN IN VERBAND MET HET VORENSTAANDE

[MumInOhio]

Lala’s…thanks for reminding me…I found this in two different places recently and haven’t tracked down the interview. Always had read that it was that 'Lady Eyes' with the same name as the fellow that went to Washington with the delegation! (It's in Lala's post somewhere...Emerencia?)

This guy was Satish’ lawyer…

CNN.com - Kalpoe lawyer blasts Holloway's mom - Jul 7, 2005
Jul 7, 2005 ... Elgin Zeppenfeldt, an attorney for Satish Kalpoe, accused Beth Holloway Twitty of making "prejudicial, inflammatory, libelous and totally ...www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/07/06/aruba.missing/ - 43k

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ELGIN ZEPPENFELDT, ATTORNEY FOR FREDDY ARAMBATZIS: Only in Aruba is this possible. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Are you sure he‘s innocent? ...freerepublic.com/~shebacal/in-forum - 150k -