SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2

[vms]

Jackb asked me to post this for Capslock, not sure why 

I see a dirtyhand in that picture. he is at the left in the back.

Minister Briezen --->Lowenstein group link

Wasn't it Briezen in the pics a while back on the NAH thread a while back...big white house with pillars and a pool, North Koreans and young girls?

finngirl,

I didn't see it on the NAH thread but that sounds like Hiram's birthday party. Briezen was there...

[Blonde]

 Oduber was in Fort Lauderdale for an Organization of American States summit.  He met with Condy Rice on June 6th. Arrived back in Aruba the morning of June 9th. June 4th until June 7th.  See link below

http://www.oas.org/xxxvga/english/photo_previous.asp


I don’t know if he was at the one in Washington and I am not sure if I can read it all tonight.

http://www.oas.org/OASpage/eng/photos/default.asp?nMes=5&nAnio=2005

Rudy Croes arrived back from Holland on June 3rd.  Thought you might want to know….LOL

Checked the second link and sent it to Lala’s who checked the pics and we can’t see any sign of Oduber.

The dates in May seem to be regular meetings and not a summit as the one in Fort Lauderdale in June was. I searched a bit on it, and if anyone else would like to double check, please go ahead.

This means that Oduber would have been in Aruba until he left for the Florida Summit which started June 5th.

Loesge could be right….

Mum thank you for this, I have been searching for days

 Oduber was in Fort Lauderdale for an Organization of American States summit.  He met with Condy Rice on June 6th. Arrived back in Aruba the morning of June 9th. June 4th until June 7th.  See link below

[finngirl]

 
yes

and a splendid time was guaranteed

[Blonde]

[finngirl]

yes

and a splendid time was guaranteed

oops, that was meant for vms re Hiram's b-day party post

:::must type faster/must type faster:::

[MumInOhio]

 Oduber was in Fort Lauderdale for an Organization of American States summit.  He met with Condy Rice on June 6th. Arrived back in Aruba the morning of June 9th. June 4th until June 7th.  See link below

http://www.oas.org/xxxvga/english/photo_previous.asp


I don’t know if he was at the one in Washington and I am not sure if I can read it all tonight.

http://www.oas.org/OASpage/eng/photos/default.asp?nMes=5&nAnio=2005

Rudy Croes arrived back from Holland on June 3rd.  Thought you might want to know….LOL

Checked the second link and sent it to Lala’s who checked the pics and we can’t see any sign of Oduber.

The dates in May seem to be regular meetings and not a summit as the one in Fort Lauderdale in June was. I searched a bit on it, and if anyone else would like to double check, please go ahead.

This means that Oduber would have been in Aruba until he left for the Florida Summit which started June 5th.

Loesge could be right….

Mum thank you for this, I have been searching for days

 Oduber was in Fort Lauderdale for an Organization of American States summit.  He met with Condy Rice on June 6th. Arrived back in Aruba the morning of June 9th. June 4th until June 7th.  See link below

Good Morning Blonde...You are very welcome...maybe we should post what we are looking for so as not to have posters chasing after the same things and spending double the time...

Right now...I am looking at Rudy and his whereabouts...see post, I think on the previous page. I have only found quotes from him as of the 6/4, so if you do see anything on 5/30 or before 6/4, I would apreciate you posting it. I did see a post the other day that said he arrived back from the Netherlands on 6/3....convenient!

Then again...if he was to be the Arawak Dirty Hand he would mostly likely lie low...maybe even create an alibi...

[MumInOhio]

I wonder how Caps saw this in the dark photo...must have good eyes!

[MumInOhio]

Finbar is back...now where is JE?

 

[SS]

SS…just some thoughts on breaking the code…I hope you don’t mind.

The little I know about Shango, Simian and Mirian and all the other codetalkers tells me it is very hard to follow the right path. Fork in the path…which one to follow?

An example would be the Lions!…Which is it…Cap’s Lowenstein Group, the flag, the Coat of Arms or the Lion’s Club. Or maybe the Lion’s den is the casinos, so then who would be the lions?

Whichever one of the ‘lions’ paths you follow will probably lead you in a different direction. Which is the right path?

COLUMBO has his ‘path’ he has followed, Caps has his, and I know, well I,m pretty sure, Lala’s has hers. Truthseeker as well, I think. So have many of other veteran Monkeys. (Sorry not meaning to slight anyone here)

Proceed with caution, one wrong turn and there is a good chance one has reached the wrong conclusion. JMO...

Mum, Ithink that you are absolutely correct.  I lurked for a long, long time before joining in.  I am sometimes concerned about misinformation that has been sent to send us running in directions that prevent real discovery.  This is Aruba and land means sea.

[MumInOhio]

SS…just some thoughts on breaking the code…I hope you don’t mind.

The little I know about Shango, Simian and Mirian and all the other codetalkers tells me it is very hard to follow the right path. Fork in the path…which one to follow?

An example would be the Lions!…Which is it…Cap’s Lowenstein Group, the flag, the Coat of Arms or the Lion’s Club. Or maybe the Lion’s den is the casinos, so then who would be the lions?

Whichever one of the ‘lions’ paths you follow will probably lead you in a different direction. Which is the right path?

COLUMBO has his ‘path’ he has followed, Caps has his, and I know, well I,m pretty sure, Lala’s has hers. Truthseeker as well, I think. So have many of other veteran Monkeys. (Sorry not meaning to slight anyone here)

Proceed with caution, one wrong turn and there is a good chance one has reached the wrong conclusion. JMO...

Mum, Ithink that you are absolutely correct.  I lurked for a long, long time before joining in.  I am sometimes concerned about misinformation that has been sent to send us running in directions that prevent real discovery.  This is Aruba and land means sea.

Yes...you are right...we can't track Paulus, the 2 boys, Posner, Rudy, Koen and others movements for that night. And then we have all the names...Guido/Lorenzo/David Wever

[2NJSons_Mom]

I wonder how Caps saw this in the dark photo...must have good eyes!

Hi, Mum....I would suspect Caps saw this by the same means jackb did....manipulating the brightness will bring the images in the dark backgound to 'light'.

[MumInOhio]

I wonder how Caps saw this in the dark photo...must have good eyes!

Hi, Mum....I would suspect Caps saw this by the same means jackb did....manipulating the brightness will bring the images in the dark backgound to 'light'.

Hi 2NJSons...Of course....I was just carrying over my thought from yesterday when Caps mentioned the Dirty Hand in the back ground, as I couldn't hardly see anything!

[MumInOhio]

BB so Ramos never signed the declaration...why? he is the one that came forward... or did he? did someone put those words in his mouth?

http://arubansecrets.blogspot.com/2005/07/does-julia-renfro-have-vested-interest.html

Check this page out.  They are claiming that Renfro is the one who reported the gardener information to Van Der Stratten because it was her gardener.  Rob, do you think that the gardener was a diversion?  How is Eric Mansur involved - was he gambling that night?

Hi SS, I'll just say I have never totally trusted the Mansurs. I think Jossy has his issues and we all know about Luis and the rest of the clan. Hard to know who's screwing who here...they all have their vendettas.

and your take?

Rob,  At this point, I really don't know what to think.  Like everyone here and the Holloways, I want to be appreciative of all that Jossy has done and I want to see him as a good guy.  After reading his background of crime and corruption though, I can see that he is probably very capable of misleading Beth and Dave and sabotaging the entire search especially if exposure would be detrimental to his special interests like drugs, gambling, and money laundering.  These things have obviously been very lucrative for the Harms and Mansur families.  I don't want to think that he's involved, but is that niave?

Exactly my point... there is two of these News paper that are at war and I am not sure wich is most likely to deceive Beth.

but one of these two are and are connected to the mob word. but need to choose one.. I tested the varables and both fir the picture... must be somting else that I need to use to link the right paper... The Gardeners are mention only once and notting more. need Simian probably can shed some other info.

we need the party goers and one from the Oduber Cabinet was at the party. if it is the lowenstein as the lons then we can say that briezen was at the high roller game that night.

Need to feed the stomach....brb

Not what I was looking for, but peaked my interest...

Caps...Would you mind explaining your preference to Briezen as opposed to Rudy Croes or even Oduber himself as being at the party?  TIA

[MumInOhio]

Caps…who would be referred to in Aruba as His Lordship or His Excellency? Would that be the Governor, the Prime Minister, his Ministers?

I don’t mean Posner either…LOL…
Thanks again in advance for all your help!

[CapsLockWizard]

BB so Ramos never signed the declaration...why? he is the one that came forward... or did he? did someone put those words in his mouth?

http://arubansecrets.blogspot.com/2005/07/does-julia-renfro-have-vested-interest.html

Check this page out.  They are claiming that Renfro is the one who reported the gardener information to Van Der Stratten because it was her gardener.  Rob, do you think that the gardener was a diversion?  How is Eric Mansur involved - was he gambling that night?

Hi SS, I'll just say I have never totally trusted the Mansurs. I think Jossy has his issues and we all know about Luis and the rest of the clan. Hard to know who's screwing who here...they all have their vendettas.

and your take?

Rob,  At this point, I really don't know what to think.  Like everyone here and the Holloways, I want to be appreciative of all that Jossy has done and I want to see him as a good guy.  After reading his background of crime and corruption though, I can see that he is probably very capable of misleading Beth and Dave and sabotaging the entire search especially if exposure would be detrimental to his special interests like drugs, gambling, and money laundering.  These things have obviously been very lucrative for the Harms and Mansur families.  I don't want to think that he's involved, but is that niave?

Exactly my point... there is two of these News paper that are at war and I am not sure wich is most likely to deceive Beth.

but one of these two are and are connected to the mob word. but need to choose one.. I tested the varables and both fir the picture... must be somting else that I need to use to link the right paper... The Gardeners are mention only once and notting more. need Simian probably can shed some other info.

we need the party goers and one from the Oduber Cabinet was at the party. if it is the lowenstein as the lons then we can say that briezen was at the high roller game that night.

Need to feed the stomach....brb

Not what I was looking for, but peaked my interest...

Caps...Would you mind explaining your preference to Briezen as opposed to Rudy Croes or even Oduber himself as being at the party?  TIA

You mest be reading my mind, I was just going to post if a quest and you where asking me the queston...hahaha

Anyway, in 2005, lets look what is at paly in shago... The Ritz and lets build a string, The Casino and another string, We have Virgina Page another string, Prosecuter Office, The Drug, The Money , we have Logic to confuse the issue of viriginity, The Diceman, the girl that link to Virginia, a Reporter with his/her News Industry, We have also a PM. a Bird that was on flight also sing, the party-goers, the local lion and The Lions with a link to the Ritz., we have a Movie, and 4 Dirty Hands. A question of some one ows money.

Not on the last here Why would the girl own money, this key is a women and how come the gambler know her, is that she came to Aruba before. what ever she did in the week was not in public but was behind the scene.

On Virginia I have question but that come later... She a the motive. and now why bring the doupleganger in the riddle.

in all the doupleganager on You tube and my research, is that the wrong person got killed or the one that need to be killed arrange with the help os someone to make the swith on her behave.

when the doupleganager was on wire, "A call was send to someone that they have the look alike"

4 stories related to the powers in the Tourism Industry and Casino Gambling.

Like i said the white board is to small, I think I need on of those electronic one that can be resisze...HAHA

one thing is sure, all is linked in the tourism industry, We need to put them in a row and look at the dates and times and there where abouts,  lets look at the players in the tourism field. We need to check all those in that group.

now from that group, who was arrested and interviewed, and let see if there was a Minister ever been question. remeber the closer we get to the center the water ripple we will meet barbwires. but like all barbwires, there are hols.The Rubik Cube has 6 sides and 6 colors, I am still turning the cube and putting the color in the right places.
shango look on paper like a coloring page.


another question, If the PM was in florida, when did he left, becasue the Elder was in Aruba and did understand the situation. How can e be in Aruba and at the same time be in florida. The fallen Elder is the one that lost the election, the Elder won the election.

[CapsLockWizard]

BB so Ramos never signed the declaration...why? he is the one that came forward... or did he? did someone put those words in his mouth?

http://arubansecrets.blogspot.com/2005/07/does-julia-renfro-have-vested-interest.html

Check this page out.  They are claiming that Renfro is the one who reported the gardener information to Van Der Stratten because it was her gardener.  Rob, do you think that the gardener was a diversion?  How is Eric Mansur involved - was he gambling that night?

Hi SS, I'll just say I have never totally trusted the Mansurs. I think Jossy has his issues and we all know about Luis and the rest of the clan. Hard to know who's screwing who here...they all have their vendettas.

and your take?

Rob,  At this point, I really don't know what to think.  Like everyone here and the Holloways, I want to be appreciative of all that Jossy has done and I want to see him as a good guy.  After reading his background of crime and corruption though, I can see that he is probably very capable of misleading Beth and Dave and sabotaging the entire search especially if exposure would be detrimental to his special interests like drugs, gambling, and money laundering.  These things have obviously been very lucrative for the Harms and Mansur families.  I don't want to think that he's involved, but is that niave?

Exactly my point... there is two of these News paper that are at war and I am not sure wich is most likely to deceive Beth.

but one of these two are and are connected to the mob word. but need to choose one.. I tested the varables and both fir the picture... must be somting else that I need to use to link the right paper... The Gardeners are mention only once and notting more. need Simian probably can shed some other info.

we need the party goers and one from the Oduber Cabinet was at the party. if it is the lowenstein as the lons then we can say that briezen was at the high roller game that night.

Need to feed the stomach....brb

Not what I was looking for, but peaked my interest...

Caps...Would you mind explaining your preference to Briezen as opposed to Rudy Croes or even Oduber himself as being at the party?  TIA

You mest be reading my mind, I was just going to post if a quest and you where asking me the queston...hahaha

Anyway, in 2005, lets look what is at paly in shago... The Ritz and lets build a string, The Casino and another string, We have Virgina Page another string, Prosecuter Office, The Drug, The Money , we have Logic to confuse the issue of viriginity, The Diceman, the girl that link to Virginia, a Reporter with his/her News Industry, We have also a PM. a Bird that was on flight also sing, the party-goers, the local lion and The Lions with a link to the Ritz., we have a Movie, and 4 Dirty Hands. A question of some one ows money.

Not on the last here Why would the girl own money, this key is a women and how come the gambler know her, is that she came to Aruba before. what ever she did in the week was not in public but was behind the scene.

On Virginia I have question but that come later... She a the motive. and now why bring the doupleganger in the riddle.

in all the dopple ganager on You tube and my research, is that the wrong person got killed or the one that need to be killed arrange with the help os someone to make the swith on her behave.

when the dopple ganager was on wire, "A call was send to someone that they have the look alike"

4 stories related to the powers in the Tourism Industry and Casino Gambling.

Like i said the white board is to small, I think I need on of those electronic one that can be resisze...HAHA

one thing is sure, all is linked in the tourism industry, We need to put them in a row and look at the dates and times and there where abouts,  lets look at the players in the tourism field. We need to check all those in that group.

now from that group, who was arrested and interviewed, and let see if there was a Minister ever been question. remeber the closer we get to the center the water ripple we will meet barbwires. but like all barbwires, there are hols.The Rubik Cube has 6 sides and 6 colors, I am still turning the cube and putting the color in the right places.
shango look on paper like a coloring page.


another question, If the PM was in florida, when did he left, becasue the Elder was in Aruba and did understand the situation. How can e be in Aruba and at the same time be in florida. The fallen Elder is the one that lost the election, the Elder won the election.

[MumInOhio]

Hotping…please help me out here…where did you find that Bridgette is Christy White?  TIA

« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2008, 05:22:16 PM »   
 
Could Brigitte Christine Katelaan (Christy White) Have been Shock The Monkey

[MumInOhio]

Caps...I haven't read back and just popped in to ask Hotping a question, but...I do not believe Oduber was in Florida on May 29th....I posted something this morning, but he was there from 6/5 until 6/9 that we know of.

The Summit started June 5th.

[MumInOhio]

 Oduber was in Fort Lauderdale for an Organization of American States summit.  He met with Condy Rice on June 6th. Arrived back in Aruba the morning of June 9th. June 4th until June 7th.  See link below

http://www.oas.org/xxxvga/english/photo_previous.asp


I don’t know if he was at the one in Washington and I am not sure if I can read it all tonight.

http://www.oas.org/OASpage/eng/photos/default.asp?nMes=5&nAnio=2005

Rudy Croes arrived back from Holland on June 3rd.  Thought you might want to know….LOL

Checked the second link and sent it to Lala’s who checked the pics and we can’t see any sign of Oduber.

The dates in May seem to be regular meetings and not a summit as the one in Fort Lauderdale in June was. I searched a bit on it, and if anyone else would like to double check, please go ahead.

This means that Oduber would have been in Aruba until he left for the Florida Summit which started June 5th.

Loesge could be right….

Mum thank you for this, I have been searching for days

 Oduber was in Fort Lauderdale for an Organization of American States summit.  He met with Condy Rice on June 6th. Arrived back in Aruba the morning of June 9th. June 4th until June 7th.  See link below

Caps...here it is...

[MumInOhio]

Caps...So do you think that Briezen was EB...he was supposed to be a 26 year old young business man...EB/AB I mean.

Rudy Croes for all intents and purposes lost the election...He didn't get enough votes, but still had the power to bargain for his job!