SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2

[Rob]

Her son was a Jacobo Alders who was born 9/2/1939.

{{edit - let's not post real life names of posters please.  I really don't think Arubagirl has anything to do with NH missing}} - Aruba Girl

[Rob]

Caps, I have always believed that Steve Croes is in this because of Paulus... and no other way.

I believe he told Steve to call Deepak. Jackpot

[MumInOhio]

Quote Caps…

all keys Sofar are working perfectly and fits based on research and who is pulling the string


THE USA NEWS MEDIA) know that the blame lies on (.....)

Question who did the the USA NEWS MEDIA blame for this problem in 2005

Caps…I really don’t mean to be a wet sock, but how can you say something is working when you have not verified the answer to the first question and have moved on two more steps.

You are now on Steve Croes and we don’t even know that Marianne Croes two pages back is right. It appears it is not!

It is almost as though you have the answer and are making it fit!

I am sorry you have totally lost me here, and I am going back to my own logic. Not the boo..whatever computer logic!
 

I have and I am building a relationship table also.

without this relationship table  you can not climb over the other wall

Steve croes come in to the pricture and is link to Paules van der Sloot and not Joran,  When Beth come to Aruba, they did not want beth to see Steve Croes

When Babalu have discover DH  few minutes later they have discover Steve Croes.

I understand what you are trying to do. The facts are not being verified to move on.

It appears that KJ may have been the official spokesperson in the beginning, before Marianne Croes. And it is too late for me to check any further tonight, and you have already moved on.

[klaasend]

Do you guys want these threads to go to 50 or 100 before I start a new thread?

[MumInOhio]

Do you guys want these threads to go to 50 or 100 before I start a new thread?

I would say 100, but I'll go with the flow! Thanks Klaas!

[texasmom]

Do you guys want these threads to go to 50 or 100 before I start a new thread?

Either is fine with me Klaas! 

[SS]

before I replay to the Lordship,

Who was the speaker of the Prosecuter office on that day in question

Need a name

If by the day in question, you mean the day Natalee disappeared, then I want to say Marianne Croes, but I will bow to others who may have better memories and records to back it up.

She is "The Gods"

and "the gods" are "USA NEWS MEDIA)

and many gods are "INTERNATIONAL NEWS MEDIA"

The gods are done for

Sorry Finn…I am still looking for this link…Marianne Croes...You may have better luck than me!

If this is correct, she must have come in after March of 2005, still checking.....
http://www.infoplease.com/world/leaders/aruba.htmlAruba
Chiefs of State and Cabinet Members of Foreign Governments
Date of Information: 3/2/2005

 

Governor Fredis REFENJOL
Prime Minister Nelson ODUBER
Min. of Education Fredis REFENJOL
Min. of Finance & Economic Affairs Nilo SWAEN
Min. of General Affairs & Utilities Nelson ODUBER
Min. of Justice Rudy CROES
Min. of Public Health Booshi WEVER
Min. of Public Works Marisol TROMP
Min. of Sports, Culture, & Labor Ramon LEE
Min. of Tourism & Transportation Eddy BRIESEN
Attorney General Ruud ROSINGH
Pres., Central Bank A.R. CARAM 

Steve Croes is related to who ?

Steve Croes work for who.???... whos is pulling his strings ---An office or a Person

CAPS,

We went around and around over Steve Croes a few weeks ago.  He lives with his grandparents.  His mother's name is Imolda Statia Saliana.  His aunt and uncle live next door to his grandparents.  He is related through the aunt.  The uncle's name is Rufo Solognier.  I have read rumors that his father might be a judicial figure on Curacao.  I don't think any of us have figured out why he came forward to lie for the Kalpoes.  He was supposed to be working on the Tatoo that night, but witnesses have reportedly placed him at C&Cs.  Some think that he is Daury because he had access to Tatoo and the smaller water taxi that services Tatoo.  Croes did lose his job after he was arrested and reportedly he eventually worked at C&Cs.  A few of us tried to figure out who he is related to, but there are so many Croes that we have been able to narrow the search.  Finbar wanted us to take a good look at Steve Croes as the 5th suspect.  Supposedly his earlobes will be a hint as to who he is related to. 

SS,
I was totally on the same page as to who Finbar was leading us to until I saw this:

VAN CROMVOIRT, WILHELMUS BERNARDUS HENRIQUEZ PETRUS PAULUS
 
Haven't we seen that name somewhere?  See if you can find anything......

I found four people who could be possible connections to our DJ.  They were Theresa Croes-Fernandez, Rudy Croes. Hendrik Croes, or the Croes from the Croes and Wever law firm.  I also found something a while back which was also a connection to the name Henriquez.  Finbar had told us to look for the grandmother and if I recall, I don't think  that we ever identified her.  There was a Maria Regina Croes (12/30/1906 - 8/9/1991).  I have this woman as a mother of Ellen Henriquez who was born 11/21/1943.  I wondered at the time if this woman was the maternal grandmother.  This would be an Henriques connection. I also found an Inoivia Beltranda Croes (11/10/1904 - 8/4/1979).  Her son was a Jacobo Alders who was born 9/2/1939.  I suspected that this was a possible paternal grandmother.  Because of what Finbar was trying to tell us, I have to feel that he shares a common grandmother with someone important.  I have suspected Rudy Croes.  And, they both have earlobes that curl. 

SS...Help here please...I thought the Croes from the Wever Croes Tchong (sp...it's late for me) lawfirm was Hendrick Croes, Rudy's brother!

Yes Mum, you are correct.  I checked my notes and didn't see the arrow that I had made.  Hendrick Croes is in the lawfirm and he is Rudy's brother. 

The genealogy search gets very difficult for people who are currently alive.  Most genealogy databases do not give the full names of living people in order to protect their identity.  This is why I can't make the connections for current generations.  There are so many Croes people running around on that island.

[MumInOhio]

SS...Thanks...I was hoping there was not two Hendrik Croes! I am not very good at following any of it...

[klaasend]

OK, I'll let the Shango threads go to page 100 before starting a new thread.  That makes it easier on me 

[jackb]

I wonder how Caps saw this in the dark photo...must have good eyes!

That monkey b readin' braile.  jackb

[jackb]

I wonder how Caps saw this in the dark photo...must have good eyes!

Hi, Mum....I would suspect Caps saw this by the same means jackb did....manipulating the brightness will bring the images in the dark backgound to 'light'.

That person sitting down in the back looks like Joran, does anyone else think so?
The guy staind up beside him looks familar, also.  Sort of like curley with short hair.
They can not bee seen at this time.  Who know, later I may figure something out on those tiny, tiny pics.    Jackb

[jackb]

I wonder how Caps saw this in the dark photo...must have good eyes!

Hi, Mum....I would suspect Caps saw this by the same means jackb did....manipulating the brightness will bring the images in the dark backgound to 'light'.

That person sitting down in the back looks like Joran, does anyone else think so?
The guy staind up beside him looks familar, also.  Sort of like curley with short hair.
They can not bee seen at this time.  Who know, later I may figure something out on those tiny, tiny pics.    Jackb

What is with the black and white striped jackets?  some kind of initiation?

[CapsLockWizard]

SS...Thanks...I was hoping there was not two Hendrik Croes! I am not very good at following any of it...

Let iit roll klaas

The Diceman is link to Steve Croes, and steve Croes is link to Puales V/D Sloot

to go to these parties, the diceman must be invited by steve croes. (Now who is this SOB), Maybe Hendrick Croes Jr. or who.

[jackb]

Caps…who would be referred to in Aruba as His Lordship or His Excellency? Would that be the Governor, the Prime Minister, his Ministers?

I don’t mean Posner either…LOL…
Thanks again in advance for all your help!

Yes, thats how it is called. The Governor has the highest power and is appointed by the queen, But this governor was in the past on the MEP party list as a member. Conflict of intrest right there.

Judges are sometimes refered to as that and I imagine Remkes would be.  He is/was (until it seems 2007.)  He served two terms, one starting in or ending in 2002 and a second term that ended in 2007. and is quite a high ranking official over so many departments in the interior, including having to be the step next to the kingdom, it seems in judicial matters as well.  Jackb

[CapsLockWizard]

I wonder how Caps saw this in the dark photo...must have good eyes!

Hi, Mum....I would suspect Caps saw this by the same means jackb did....manipulating the brightness will bring the images in the dark backgound to 'light'.

That person sitting down in the back looks like Joran, does anyone else think so?
The guy staind up beside him looks familar, also.  Sort of like curley with short hair.
They can not bee seen at this time.  Who know, later I may figure something out on those tiny, tiny pics.    Jackb

What is with the black and white striped jackets?  some kind of initiation?

The first time the picture was posted, examining the picture closely trying to see who else are in the picture, I dicover that jail uniform and I said there is a Dirty hand and it is by the jail jacket, I did identify him...it seems to be his favor outfit. Joran also had a favor outfit.

[jackb]

You mest be reading my mind, I was just going to post if a quest and you where asking me the queston...hahaha

Anyway, in 2005, lets look what is at paly in shago... The Ritz and lets build a string, The Casino and another string, We have Virgina Page another string, Prosecuter Office, The Drug, The Money , we have Logic to confuse the issue of viriginity, The Diceman, the girl that link to Virginia, a Reporter with his/her News Industry, We have also a PM. a Bird that was on flight also sing, the party-goers, the local lion and The Lions with a link to the Ritz., we have a Movie, and 4 Dirty Hands. A question of some one ows money.

Not on the last here Why would the girl own money, this key is a women and how come the gambler know her, is that she came to Aruba before. what ever she did in the week was not in public but was behind the scene.

On Virginia I have question but that come later... She a the motive. and now why bring the doupleganger in the riddle.

in all the doupleganager on You tube and my research, is that the wrong person got killed or the one that need to be killed arrange with the help os someone to make the swith on her behave.

when the doupleganager was on wire, "A call was send to someone that they have the look alike"

4 stories related to the powers in the Tourism Industry and Casino Gambling.

Like i said the white board is to small, I think I need on of those electronic one that can be resisze...HAHA

one thing is sure, all is linked in the tourism industry, We need to put them in a row and look at the dates and times and there where abouts,  lets look at the players in the tourism field. We need to check all those in that group.

now from that group, who was arrested and interviewed, and let see if there was a Minister ever been question. remeber the closer we get to the center the water ripple we will meet barbwires. but like all barbwires, there are hols.The Rubik Cube has 6 sides and 6 colors, I am still turning the cube and putting the color in the right places.
shango look on paper like a coloring page.


another question, If the PM was in florida, when did he left, becasue the Elder was in Aruba and did understand the situation. How can e be in Aruba and at the same time be in florida. The fallen Elder is the one that lost the election, the Elder won the election.

CAPS,  Could we have a little more on Virginia Hale?  I'm not seeing this connection.
[/quote]

I do not know if Aruba has on-line gambling from the States.  I do not know about gambling much, but:  Maybe while someone before the trip was checking out Aruba, they got hooked into gambling on-line.  Maybe there is a way to bypass laws of gambling on-line from the states to certain areas and they knew she would be there because they were tipped off she would be there by the agencies who make reservations, etc.  There was money owed, and I asked who and why, also.  It could have been the wrong person disappeared and it could have been on purpose as the other girl left, or some of the Perps liked the other girl and wanted to fool the people who may have wanted to "collect," since they already had a tiff from MB students over NH and GVC was, as well rebuffed.  Just a thought.  Jack b

[CapsLockWizard]

Quote Caps…

all keys Sofar are working perfectly and fits based on research and who is pulling the string


THE USA NEWS MEDIA) know that the blame lies on (.....)

Question who did the the USA NEWS MEDIA blame for this problem in 2005

Caps…I really don’t mean to be a wet sock, but how can you say something is working when you have not verified the answer to the first question and have moved on two more steps.

You are now on Steve Croes and we don’t even know that Marianne Croes two pages back is right. It appears it is not!

It is almost as though you have the answer and are making it fit!

I am sorry you have totally lost me here, and I am going back to my own logic. Not the boo..whatever computer logic!
 

I have and I am building a relationship table also.

without this relationship table  you can not climb over the other wall

Steve croes come in to the pricture and is link to Paules van der Sloot and not Joran,  When Beth come to Aruba, they did not want beth to see Steve Croes

When Babalu have discover DH  few minutes later they have discover Steve Croes.

I understand what you are trying to do. The facts are not being verified to move on.

It appears that KJ may have been the official spokesperson in the beginning, before Marianne Croes. And it is too late for me to check any further tonight, and you have already moved on.

I moved on but from the other direction to meet the issue of either MC or KJ both are link to one office and that office has a string to Rudy croes.

the more we reach to the center the more difficult it will get becasue of not to much issue on the key in question..

e.g. DH from germany ...very powerfull but no one have a picture.

[jackb]

before I replay to the Lordship,

Who was the speaker of the Prosecuter office on that day in question

Need a name

That snaked-eyed girl, young.  Wasn it Marianne Croes?  Very much showing her contempt for USA in her eyes and voice, it seems.  Young, seemed sort of half dark, half light complexion and her eyes were green.  I could have the names mixed up, but I remember that girl.  Jack b

[SS]

SS...Thanks...I was hoping there was not two Hendrik Croes! I am not very good at following any of it...

Let iit roll klaas

The Diceman is link to Steve Croes, and steve Croes is link to Puales V/D Sloot

to go to these parties, the diceman must be invited by steve croes. (Now who is this SOB), Maybe Hendrick Croes Jr. or who.

CAPS - Are you saying the Steve Croes' correct name is Hendrick Severino Croes?
If so, then Finbar was giving us the correct tip and his great grandparents would have been Ezau Henriquez and Maria Regina Croes.  Their daughter, Ellen Henriquez, would have had a daughter named Imolda who married someone named Croes - Rudy, Hendrick, or an additional brother.  Which one is Dirty Hand?

[texasmom]

before I replay to the Lordship,

Who was the speaker of the Prosecuter office on that day in question

Need a name

That snaked-eyed girl, young.  Wasn it Marianne Croes?  Very much showing her contempt for USA in her eyes and voice, it seems.  Young, seemed sort of half dark, half light complexion and her eyes were green.  I could have the names mixed up, but I remember that girl.  Jack b

Your description sounds like Arlene Ellis Schipper.