SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2

[texasmom]

CAPS said:

The reason he can not sing is that he has a string attached to Him via his father.

All have secrets about the each other and so if he sings on one, the one will sing one something else about him, and they are look in this game.

Let me give a summary, Sloot with a job to do, Sloot (joran) had 2 Hindus, Sloot (other son) had 2 Shivas(killers) but the bird flow  away and this left them the lets call it the (MIU) hanging. but with an open on going contract.

Now I Just which one is he most likely that was sloot that she met, ether Val. or the Larenzo

there where two swith one for the girls and one for the killer. 2 shivan was transported to to airport by a ALE

What time did the airplane that  beth came down with left. Who was return back to the states.

CAPS,
It was a private plane.  Maybe someone remembers when it left and who returned.
I don't follow your logic here, though.  Are you leading us back to the MB folks???

CHATA

It was jet furnished by the McWanes.
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According to Beth's book Mat, Ruffner, and Jodi left on Wednesday evening, June 1st.

[MumInOhio]

Caps…

V P: I remember dancing with her for most of the time, and then an hour before (Carlos ‘N’ Charlies) closed, I didn’t see her again. She hadn’t planned on meeting (Van der Sloot), he just happened to be there.

V P: That night was more hectic than others was because it closed at 1 a.m. There was sort of a mass exodus out of the place. Everyone left all at once

[Lala'sMom]

Does this take us back to "the answers lie in MB scenario"?

Are you saying the Shivas are NOT the Kalpoes but some hired guns or something like that?

[CapsLockWizard]

Does this take us back to "the answers lie in MB scenario"?

Are you saying the Shivas are NOT the Kalpoes but some hired guns or something like that?

Now it was not van eem that brought this up Phoneticaly


WE need a SACRIFICE if I change two letter what do we got.

I am not sure but remembering Poentje.

We need to find the link on this long friend of Joran. Where was he when natalee disapear.? Now when the heat is gone and all smoke has clear, one will dare to come and smoke dope and make fun, just to confuse the American more by openly taking bad talking Natalee.

Now No more smoke we can try to create another smoke screen to get some money.


this is just a tought... not that it is possible. but Joran talk to him still.

Now the other side of the pond can be two places. USA and Holland

[hotping]

Does this take us back to "the answers lie in MB scenario"?

Are you saying the Shivas are NOT the Kalpoes but some hired guns or something like that?

Now it was not van eem that brought this up Phoneticaly


WE need a SACRIFICE if I change two letter what do we got.

I am not sure but remembering Poentje.

We need to find the link on this long friend of Joran. Where was he when natalee disapear.? Now when the heat is gone and all smoke has clear, one will dare to come and smoke dope and make fun, just to confuse the American more by openly taking bad talking Natalee.

Now No more smoke we can try to create another smoke screen to get some money.


this is just a tought... not that it is possible. but Joran talk to him still.

Now the other side of the pond can be two places. USA and Holland

[SS]

It was actually making sense until the Lear Jet landed. 

[sirensong]

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   Re: Natalee Case Discussion #715 1/25 -
« Reply #186 on: January 26, 2008, 03:08:47 PM » 

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I have been meaning to address this rumor for 6 months now at SM. It is strictly a rumor that started at RWV(Erased) back in 2005. The story was that Natalee was kidnapped by mistake thinking it was Virgina Page who left a day before the MB group left. I am posting this because I kept a close eye on this thread and it drew my interest for reasons I cant get into right now. Either the interested people were watching this thread for total dis-information or there was some truth to it.
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Posted by Kermit

left to right front row:
Katherine Weatherly (the girl that Joran said he won her money back)
Virginia O'Neal Page
Ruth McVey
Back row left to right
Francis Ellen Byrd
Liz Cain
Madison Whatley
Holly Brown
Lee Broughton

List of corporations with a major presence in Birmingham, Alabama
McWayne Corporation
O'Neal Steel

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Corporations_Based_or_Major_Presence_in_Birmingham


Let me see if I can remember this right to explain it:

McWayne has private plane and was going down to Aruba and that is the plane that Beth, Jug and some friends first flew to Aruba on.
Virginia O' Neal Page is one of the graduates of MB and you can see her in the picture I posted above.
Frances Ellen Byrd's father is in construction and one of the projects he constructed was the McWayne Science Bldg. Between FEB's mother and father, they have millions of dollars in this family and a heritage that goes way back. O' Neal has millions as well.
Natalee worked at Harvest Glen Market and that market gets produce from Frances Ellen Byrd's mothers farm - and also the farm has an equestrian center where FEB rides etc etc.

Here is a post that backs up what I was saying:
"It was McWane's president, G. Ruffner Page's daughter, Virginia, that partied at C&C that last night in Aruba with Natalee Holloway. The McWane jet was sent to Aruba to retrieve Virginia. Beth took a lift on that jet.}

http://www.mcwane.com/index.php?page=profile/team
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Posted by AKband27
I was doing some searching and ran across a posting at RWV...it was about the day Natalee went missing and Beth and her group went to Aruba on the McWane plane with McWane President G. Ruffner Page, Jr on board...the article also said maybe they were suppose to nab Virginia O'Neal Page and got Natalee by mistake...has anyone else heard this? who is Virginia Oneal Page?
Also, way back...there was talk of the McWane plane being on the island the day before Natalee disappeared...does anybody remember this? I have been talking about this with another poster and they also remembered something about this...
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/10/natalee_hollowa_63.html
 
 
 

[MumInOhio]

Picture #1 is Guido #1.  This is the Guido we have all followed.  This was taken from the Aruban Modeling shots.  I can't imagine what he's modeling.  He's hobvioulsy had no training - look at the posture and the way he holds his hands. 

Guido #2.  This is a photograph that I borrowed from another blog.  Someone over there claims that this is Guido Wever.  I can't verify anything.

Will the real Guido Wever please stand up?

SS....I just saw this pic...as I wasn't logged in most of last night...

This is snipped from your post above...

However, another Guido Wever has surfaced.  This guy is older, smarter, and the son of the Minister of Health.  There are reports that he is a model and that he is gay. (Our dumpy Guido looks goofy, not like a model).  There are reports that one of the Guido's is tied to a relationship with John Chemaly who is at least 35.  Guido #2 is a dental student in the Netherlands. Is it possible that his summer job (arranged by his father) is croupier at a big casino on his home island?   When he's in Aruba. he runs with Lorenzo who is about the same age and probably someone he has known since school.  Steve Croes is also someone he probably would have known since school.

Are we chasing the correct Guido?  Have we assumed that there was only one Guido and possibly put all Guido information into one person?  I'm sure that Renfro and the rest of them weren't going to correst us.

SS...please don't drop this thought...I have to find it, but there is a blue eyed Dutch guy in Aruba for the summer, has his own apartment. I believe this is who Joran called "G".

I am still thinking about the young Guido working in the casino. The only thing I am wondering is this another reason that Posner was so upset about the video getting out, that it showed underage peeps in his casino.

I won't have much time to look at it today, but will get to it next week.

[MumInOhio]

Spong:

My client GUido is indicted of murder, manslaughter and it is a serious indictment of course This charge has been delivred to him last wednesday.

He is in The Netherlands , he is being questioned every day

He was a witness in June last year after Natalee disappeared and since Feb of this year he is a suspect. The prosecution in Aruba is wanting him very quickly

Tomorrow I will ask the Court in The Hague to give a decision to not allow to take him from The Netherlands to Aruba I think we can prove or make sure that he is not guilty

There are witnesses that are giving statements that he could be seen as a suspect but I think their statements is easily, we can fight it easily


He never met Natalee, he claimed he never seen her, he says he is completely innocent.

He was working in the casino.

We can confirm then that GUido Wever is the 8th suspect in this case?
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Jossy:

Yes he is

Julie:

We are hearing reports that were printed in the local paper there that this Guido Wever had scratches and bruises to his body that was noticed the day after Natalee disappeared

Jossy

No no, that's not correct, they were referring to another person, not to Guido. I read the article, it doesn't mention any names but from what we know from the beginning, he's not the man that came out of there with scratches

Julie

Suspicon of kidnapping and killing, what does that mean in Aruba?

Jossy

Suspected on basis of some kind of evidence coming forward from witnesses...they did interrogate Guido in June last year and he is known to be a very good friend of Joran, plays tennis with him, gambled with him at Marriott ...

Julie

Guido, compared to GVC the other suspect, do you believe that he is perhapss in bigger trouble than GVC

Jossy

I'm sure he's in bigger trouble, he does know and been very close friend of Joran, GVC always denied he knew Joran.

05/21 TRANSCRIPTS Dutch Att. Gerard Spong & Jossy Mansur

Blonde...Thanks...There is also the interview with the very anti-American overtures. One time I went back and kept looking fror Guido's parents names and all I found were "the parents" quoted. I do recall they were divorced

[MumInOhio]

Posted by Pita at same link but scroll to almost bottom:

ABC TODAY
 
Business address SALINA CERCA 39-H, NOORD
Legal form  LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY
Name of the company  MEDIAMAX ARUBA N.V.
Statutory seat  ARUBA
Date of incorporation  14 MAY 2002
     
Main branch: MEDIAMAX ARUBA N.V. registered under number 28973
located at CAYA G.F. (BETICO) CROES 9, ORANJESTAD OOST
NOT IN POSSESION OF A BUSINESS ESTABLISHMENT LICENCE
   
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD:
 
BOSET, PATRICK JOHN;
Residing in  PARADERA 35, PARADERA, ARUBA
Born in  THE NETHERLANDS, GOIRLE on 28 DECEMBER 1967
Nationality  DUTCH
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR
Effective  14 MAY 2002
Authority  FULL
   
RENFRO, JULIA CHRISTINE;
Residing in  SALINA CERCA 39-H, NOORD, ARUBA
Born in  U.S.A., CALIFORNIE on 30 AUGUST 1966
Nationality  AMERICAN
Position  PROXY A W/T "ASST. MANAGER"
Effective  27 JUNE 2007
Authority  FULL 

Didn't the two people who hung themselves work for Media Max? 

Also, was looking for the posts of the people who own the apartments, Moko and I can't remember the other.  The  owners listed are looking familiar to some of the last names  you are coming up with.  I did searches  on them, and one was involved with an investment firm that had offices  in Wash.  DC.   I deleted the info, thinking it wasn't usefull, but now I am wondering about some of the  names you are coming up with.  Like Dijk and I remember there was a Dijkoff (same as the Ruth who worked at the  bank).   

Sirensong…Here is the info on the suicides. It is posted in the Lorenzo/Race junkies thread and there are links there to the old LCD threads were both suicides were discussed.

I think I can find that on the apartments…it caught my attention since SS posted it, yesterday.

Got to make a list…LOL

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1291.80


Brigitte Katelaan worked for ATV and TeleAruba as a producer.
Camilo Romero worked for ATV as a cameraman and ?

Both found dead by hanging within weeks of each other.
(Brigitte's latest doumentaries: The International Racetrack
& legal/illegal prostitution in certain towns in Aruba.)

[MumInOhio]

This link from FOX claims that  Guido left on June 1.   

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,196363,00.html

Lala's everything in that story fits our Guido, except leaving June 1st.

We know from the Dr Phil documents that our Guido left later.

JMO, but some-one with scratches went 'across the pond' June 1st and I think he is the one that was rumored to be arrested when Guido was. Another that didn't happen.

[Rob]

Good Morning,

According to 24 ORA, three people were killed last night. These people seem to be family members. I note one person is named *Edvard* no last name listed yet.  Diario is asleep at the switch and has not covered this tragic event.

http://www.24ora.com/component/option,com_frontpage/Itemid,1/

I'm not totally sure how this happened, but I do see the word *kerosene* listed. Maybe it is an accident.

It must be pretty serious as Rudy Croes was on the scene.


I also note that Edwin "Papito" Comenencia made the official polis statement. No sign of the small white van, but there were multiple hearses at the scene.

One comment (52 total currently) in English -
 P.K  said: _
     What the hell is happening to Aruba ....Jesus Christ...the next thing u know the island is becoming slowly but surely a hell. Its time they start putting these son of a * to life in prison and have a more strict approach to all that has been happening.
I mean let me guess the person who did this must be a freaking Colombian....only them people come up with such feracious ideas.
My sincere condolences goes out to the families of these poor victims.

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*hard to imagine this is an accident with a comment like the one above* and I do not see a suspect named as of yet.

[Rob]

the above post - posted in wrong thread, I apologize.

[MumInOhio]

CAPS said:

The reason he can not sing is that he has a string attached to Him via his father.

All have secrets about the each other and so if he sings on one, the one will sing one something else about him, and they are look in this game.

Let me give a summary, Sloot with a job to do, Sloot (joran) had 2 Hindus, Sloot (other son) had 2 Shivas(killers) but the bird flow  away and this left them the lets call it the (MIU) hanging. but with an open on going contract.

Now I Just which one is he most likely that was sloot that she met, ether Val. or the Larenzo

there where two swith one for the girls and one for the killer. 2 shivan was transported to to airport by a ALE

What time did the airplane that  beth came down with left. Who was return back to the states.

CAPS,
It was a private plane.  Maybe someone remembers when it left and who returned.
I don't follow your logic here, though.  Are you leading us back to the MB folks???

CHATA

When the deed was done, the 2 shivas got a lift to the airport from and ALE, now at the airport, they took a private aybe a learjet, to go back to where they come from.

What I am saying is it is apaid contract that could not be broken. but the incocent look akike walked in and so she was descovert.

The young sloot and the 2 hindus took the wrong girl to the Shivas. The shivas was with the other brother of Joran.

Now when the deed was done 2 two was drive to the airport to fly away from where they came.

Now let look it now form the otherside of the pond.

I am SHIVE X and Want to have bird form some reason that we do not know.

Now SHIVA X came to Aruba and contracted Sloots to help keeping on eye on the bird. but bird flow away,

Now SHIVA X did not know that Bird flow away.

Now either sloot was looking at the wrong bird from the getgo but it does not look like that,

so it must be the oter way around. They know the bird and when they saw that the girl was gone, they took it out on the girl that look like the bird.

Now all sing, but all finger are pointing to each other and it goes all the way into the procesucter office. to the Ministers. all are linked to this MP-CASINO. Favors for the Ritz, R. Croes for the Drugs. etc.

To protect them all, they have their own News media to make the readers dance.

to find the truth, we have to look at the weekest link and that is the prosecuter DH self.

all has been written down that mean the Police has done their work but DH controls them and RC.


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Caps…We have to prove the bird has flown, gone. And from her quotes, she was at C&Cs that night.

JMO…the bird on the wire…US intelligence….anti drug surveillance…would not matter if they ‘saw or heard” Natalee being kidnapped there is an agreement between Aruba and the US that surveillance can only be used in drug cases.

[MumInOhio]

the above post - posted in wrong thread, I apologize.

No problem with me...I haven't made it over there yet.

Rob…for your records the picture that you posted of Condy Rice and Oduber was from the Organization of American States summit held in Ft. Lauderdale June 5 through 7th. 2005. That picture was taken on June 6th....thought you might want to know...

[Rob]

the above post - posted in wrong thread, I apologize.

No problem with me...I haven't made it over there yet.

Rob…for your records the picture that you posted of Condy Rice and Oduber was from the Organization of American States summit held in Ft. Lauderdale June 5 through 7th. 2005. That picture was taken on June 6th....thought you might want to know...

Thanks Mum, I kind of suspected. I have so many photos, and I don't take the time to properly tag them. Photobucket has a tag option to make it easier now, and I still don't do it. LOL

[MumInOhio]

Does this take us back to "the answers lie in MB scenario"?

Are you saying the Shivas are NOT the Kalpoes but some hired guns or something like that?

Now it was not van eem that brought this up Phoneticaly


WE need a SACRIFICE if I change two letter what do we got.

I am not sure but remembering Poentje.

We need to find the link on this long friend of Joran. Where was he when natalee disapear.? Now when the heat is gone and all smoke has clear, one will dare to come and smoke dope and make fun, just to confuse the American more by openly taking bad talking Natalee.

Now No more smoke we can try to create another smoke screen to get some money.


this is just a tought... not that it is possible. but Joran talk to him still.

Now the other side of the pond can be two places. USA and Holland

Shango said ‘across the pond’ and he was in Florida. I would say it is the Netherlands.

You are welcome Rob...I ran across it when I was tracking Oduber's movements.

[MumInOhio]

Thanks Kermit for the pics (love that circle around the Racquet Club) and Pita for the info on Marlene and the reminder of all the IFA connections.

[MumInOhio]

Just a couple from the link below. Reply 7…Thanks Finngirl

Freddy’s car and Freddy helping to dispose of the body and of course Freddy’s ‘real’ name…Interesting reading if anyone is interested.

6:21 pm
bondia: As we have already told RED, SM usually knows what it going on before MSM and 99% of Aruba. Based on the Tennis match from AM Digital and the initials givin by the police F.A. (and usually most people in Aruba have at least 3 if not 4 initials in thier name) We were told that Joran has a friend named Freddy Alexander.

Since Jossy was the one who found the girls with the rape accusations, so we are sure that he has the right Name since it is his find.

ARAMBATZIS in Montana sounds like a winner! Thanks for the Good work Monkeys.

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7:39 pm
Shell: Tito was listed on that tickle site of Freddy. When I looked at it when RobertJ first posted, Ruben Trapenberg was on there also, then when I went back a while later, his photo (RT) was gone. Maybe I don't understand how tickle sites work.

.http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2768.0

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Interesting….Tito…the one that gave out all the confusing info and Rueben, an official spokesman!

And Bondia congratulates the Monkeys on nailing Freddy’s last name!

[Buckeye]

Don't know if I buy into the whole Shiva and jet thing.......but I think there was more than one private plane, on the island.  I think we had photos of a ?Saudi prince's plane and some black helicopter. Maybe that is why there are so many statements from the Menses? guy (didn't we find out that he photoed planes?).