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« Reply #1200 on: April 05, 2008, 09:44:50 AM »

I think all the "other girl" postings were disinformation, to make a case for Joran not being responsible for Natalee.  Early on, it might have worked.  FBI would have been all over a kidnapping.  I just think it was convenient for the disinformers that when Natalee's family didn't have the moneyed background, an associate did. They used there usual "get out of trouble" card (insurance fraud, family background) but when Jug ended up not being the secret arms dealer they went with Virginia Page and a big mistake. IMO
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« Reply #1201 on: April 05, 2008, 09:49:10 AM »

Mum

I haven't searched, but I do remember Gabe Leo, posting on the FP, that Rudy Croes was in a wedding in Colombia during Natalee's disappearance.  Don't know how accurate/true that is.
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« Reply #1202 on: April 05, 2008, 09:51:18 AM »

Just to let you all know their are many error's at this Judicial site
"From a website called Judicial.ink:"
This is much better  http://www.hollowaycase.com/
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« Reply #1203 on: April 05, 2008, 10:08:16 AM »

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I haven't searched, but I do remember Gabe Leo, posting on the FP, that Rudy Croes was in a wedding in Colombia during Natalee's disappearance.  Don't know how accurate/true that is.


Thanks Buckeye...I will look. I found a post that said he arrived back from the Netherlands on June 3rd and haven't looked for it again. Caesu can't find anything putting him in the Netherlands.

He wouldn't have to be on Aruba that night to be Dirty Hand or His Lordship???

Blonde...I agree about that site...both actually..
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« Reply #1204 on: April 05, 2008, 10:13:11 AM »

Don't know if I buy into the whole Shiva and jet thing.......but I think there was more than one private plane, on the island.  I think we had photos of a ?Saudi prince's plane and some black helicopter. Maybe that is why there are so many statements from the Menses? guy (didn't we find out that he photoed planes?). 

Remember the saudi prince thing and was there a huge yacht...Arawak King...no I must have that one wrong. I thought that had a helicopter as well.

Lots of 'high rollers'!

Meneses did take the pics of planes.
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« Reply #1205 on: April 05, 2008, 10:17:07 AM »



SS…here are three links that you might like to read and see if anything jumps out at you about the ‘other’ G!  Please keep in mind that the book is classified as fiction…LOL…and he could be muddying the waters more.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1117.0

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1097.0

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1008.0


SS – In response to your post yesterday on Lorenzo van Rijn/Gijn/Geijn…see post 1610 on the first link…americaninaruba called him Geijn, Jossy called him Gijn all the others papers called him Rijn and we have Dutch owned apartments by van Dijk who Caps think is related to Paulus or Anita. Then we have a judge in Curacao called mr. L. van Gijn august 1st 2000, page 8 of this thread. Confused…I am 

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.1600


Sirensong and SS
Here for the Apartments and names…Interesting...I think three are posted about.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.1620





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« Reply #1206 on: April 05, 2008, 10:50:06 AM »

Thanks Sirensong for your post about VP. I knew there was a Kermit story in there somewhere.  I just can't keep him here long enough to ask him.  He's such a busy frog these days. VP was still there on the night in question. That is how I understood it to be.


Yes, Judicial Ink has errors.  Posted that just because I found it to show there is little way for us to ever know what is actual fact and what isn't...even FOX had the story wrong.  Guido...the 18 year old that's face was plastered all over the world is the person ALE questioned and did not leave the island until a week later.  If you are not the person that is the croupier at the Excelsior and you are not the person that plays tennis with Joran or hauls him around to get money from place to place...you do not allow the information to stand as is and be talked about for days on end.  You do not hire an attorney that comes out and says only that you are gay and had nothing to do with it...not " that is not me, it  is another pseron"...but you are not gay and don't know Joran and then allow Taco to make you out a liar without speaking up. The Guido we have suspected and the one that was shown in photos by all the media is the right one...otherwise Guido's family would be very, very wealthy from the lawsuits against just FOX news alone because as far as I can determine FOX has never retracted those stories and neither did anyone else.
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« Reply #1207 on: April 05, 2008, 10:55:44 AM »

SS…This is what I thought of this morning… It was at this link:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1097.0
 
"G" seems to be some guy from Amsterdam who was there on a vacation, and he also was in the casino that night. Natalee was constantly calling on a cell phone in the casino....

Just a thought, but we have a Theory and Speculations thread, is you want to try and sort through this, we could take it there and see what we can come up with! I probably won’t be able to do much until next week, though.
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« Reply #1208 on: April 05, 2008, 11:21:14 AM »

Mum and any other monkeys interested...let me pose a what if scenario....

Let's assume that the 5th suspect and Dirty Hand are one and the same...who would it be?  Which person fits all th criteria for both?
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« Reply #1209 on: April 05, 2008, 11:25:08 AM »

Mum
If you are still here...your email is bouncing back to me this morning.  I sent two and they both came back...are you on timeout again?  Have you been a mean little girl this morning?
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« Reply #1210 on: April 05, 2008, 11:29:08 AM »

Thanks everyone for all of the links.  I am still not sure which Guido we're chasing and I know that we have probably been misinformed at every turn by the idiots in Aruba.  The real Guido could be walking around right in front of us and we wouldn't know because of all of the misinformation.  Fear not though, we will eventually figure it out. My gut says we were right with Guido #1, son of Robert, goofy and lumpy. I just don't know how he got to be a croupier.

The van Rijn and van Gijn names are interesting.  I wasn't able to find much background on the van Rijn name.  I'll try van Gijn.  I do think that Lorenzo is up to his eyeballs in all of this.  I haven't figured out how Schipper is related to Guido's mother.

I don't know what to think about the Lear Jet and the wrong girl.  I was upset last night when I read that.  It makes for a great James Bond novel, but I really doubt that it's part of this situation.  I have also read that kidnappers were after Natalee because her uncle works for AmSouth and the banks were having trouble with another bank in Columbia or Venezuela.  I just keep asking myself why any organized crime group would put a clandestine operation in the hands of a few stoned high school kids. They have their own "specialists" within their organizations to take care of problems. These stories have got to be part of the diversion game and unfortunately, this is probably what many people in Aruba have been told - feed the messengers.

I don't believe that we have the full story but I do think that it is self-contained on the island of Aruba.  A group of narcisisstic, drug addicted jerks made a game of assaulting and probably filming unsuspecting American tourists.  Something bad happened and I don't believe for a minute that it was just Joran. The coverup was setup by the arrogant elite parents on the island to protect their offspring and probably their own illegal drug, gambling, and porn businesses.  These boys are connected to the very heads of the island, with the exception of the Kalpoes.  These arrogant Dutch leaders of Aruba were probably so accustomed to their own unquestioned self-importance that they didn't realize what they would encounter when Beth arrived.  Once the lie was set in motion, they had to stick to it to avoid exposure.  The lie has grown and grown and grown.
 
I have also found errors on Judicial Ink.
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« Reply #1211 on: April 05, 2008, 11:30:57 AM »

Mum
If you are still here...your email is bouncing back to me this morning.  I sent two and they both came back...are you on timeout again?  Have you been a mean little girl this morning?


No idea Lala's...I am full speed ahead this morning...can't you tell?  LOL...I will send one to myself and see what happens, it may be the server!
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« Reply #1212 on: April 05, 2008, 11:34:50 AM »

Mum
If you are still here...your email is bouncing back to me this morning.  I sent two and they both came back...are you on timeout again?  Have you been a mean little girl this morning?


No idea Lala's...I am full speed ahead this morning...can't you tell?  LOL...I will send one to myself and see what happens, it may be the server!


Lala's...I got my own email...

Dirty Hand and the 5th....Hard for me to fit them both together, but I guess Lorenzo. If I knew more about Freddy....
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« Reply #1213 on: April 05, 2008, 11:46:20 AM »

SS…This is what I thought of this morning… It was at this link:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1097.0
 
"G" seems to be some guy from Amsterdam who was there on a vacation, and he also was in the casino that night. Natalee was constantly calling on a cell phone in the casino....

Just a thought, but we have a Theory and Speculations thread, is you want to try and sort through this, we could take it there and see what we can come up with! I probably won’t be able to do much until next week, though.



Good morning SS and Caps...just bumping this to see what you think SS. We would have everything together as the thread doesn't get much use and wouldn't have other discussions going on at the same time and other posts in between.

I was interested in the Judge van Gijn, because of Lorenzo walking on the drug and supposed weapons thing last year. Apparently he talked to a Judge?
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« Reply #1214 on: April 05, 2008, 11:52:12 AM »

Mum
If you are still here...your email is bouncing back to me this morning.  I sent two and they both came back...are you on timeout again?  Have you been a mean little girl this morning?


No idea Lala's...I am full speed ahead this morning...can't you tell?  LOL...I will send one to myself and see what happens, it may be the server!


Lala's...I got my own email...

Dirty Hand and the 5th....Hard for me to fit them both together, but I guess Lorenzo. If I knew more about Freddy....


Mum, I also think that DH is Lorenzo.  He's the drug king living in the fotress, and he has the dirt on everybody on that island because of the drugs.  I also think that this is who Joran, Paulass, and the rest of the little murderers called when something bad happened.  Lorenzo would know what to do and no doubt he called in lots of favors.
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« Reply #1215 on: April 05, 2008, 11:58:02 AM »

SS…This is what I thought of this morning… It was at this link:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1097.0
 
"G" seems to be some guy from Amsterdam who was there on a vacation, and he also was in the casino that night. Natalee was constantly calling on a cell phone in the casino....

Just a thought, but we have a Theory and Speculations thread, is you want to try and sort through this, we could take it there and see what we can come up with! I probably won’t be able to do much until next week, though.



Good morning SS and Caps...just bumping this to see what you think SS. We would have everything together as the thread doesn't get much use and wouldn't have other discussions going on at the same time and other posts in between.

I was interested in the Judge van Gijn, because of Lorenzo walking on the drug and supposed weapons thing last year. Apparently he talked to a Judge?


Count me in and let me know where to go.      I will be slow for a few days because this guy named Uncle Sam says that I have to finish some papers. 
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« Reply #1216 on: April 05, 2008, 12:08:27 PM »

Now let examine the word  "a sacrifice" , "the sacrifice"
 

"the sacrifice" is a person and after deed is done will return to the procecuter.

Remeber shongo uses coding to hide the person and you have to change on or two letter to find the person.

Now this person is know and I belive they must call hin

S c a r e f a c e
S a c r i f i c e

Now Patric van Emm was there to doe the deed, he was contracted by Joran to do his dirty laundry.

Exambple.:

the sacrifice (PATRICK VAN EEM) will be the correct sacrifice to appease the gods (THE USA NEWS MEDIA) and cowboys (Holloway’s)

But the sacrifice PATRICK VAN EEM)  will be offered before dirty hand (STEVE CROES) sings
He will return to babylon (PUBLIC PROSECUTERS), broken but anonymous.

He will go back to babylon (PUBLIC PROSECUTERS)  broken, after the sacrifice (PATRICK VAN EEM) is eaten (make believe by the Media)

The young Lamb (JORAN) der Sloot shall be the sacrifice (PATRICK VAN EEM) for the Arawaks (MICHEAL POSNER) and the cowboys (???? DIRTY FBI).
All will sit around the fire and feast on scapegoat (JORAN)
The gods (ATTORNEY GENERAL THERESA CROES–FERNANDEZ PEDRA)  are talking
DirtyHand (DTKM) is alive and well

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« Reply #1217 on: April 05, 2008, 12:13:46 PM »

SS…This is what I thought of this morning… It was at this link:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1097.0
 
"G" seems to be some guy from Amsterdam who was there on a vacation, and he also was in the casino that night. Natalee was constantly calling on a cell phone in the casino....

Just a thought, but we have a Theory and Speculations thread, is you want to try and sort through this, we could take it there and see what we can come up with! I probably won’t be able to do much until next week, though.



Good morning SS and Caps...just bumping this to see what you think SS. We would have everything together as the thread doesn't get much use and wouldn't have other discussions going on at the same time and other posts in between.

I was interested in the Judge van Gijn, because of Lorenzo walking on the drug and supposed weapons thing last year. Apparently he talked to a Judge?


Count me in and let me know where to go.      I will be slow for a few days because this guy named Uncle Sam says that I have to finish some papers. 


LOL...on that...Thank goodness I don't plan on selling a house again and from now on my kid's college deducts should be a piece of cake...What a pain...thought they were done and would wake up the next day and realised I'd done something wrong...again!!
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« Reply #1218 on: April 05, 2008, 12:13:56 PM »

Check what Patrick van eem said.. and compre it with the post

Monkeys research it..its all there.

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« Reply #1219 on: April 05, 2008, 12:20:17 PM »

most perps think that they have foul the readers and then when the smoke clear after 2.5 years, thinking that the case is now dead, lets go make some money, and forgot that their acction will link them exactly to the riddle.

Good friends for 7 years, I know Joran from the Casino, I talk to him in our lingo. BUT I DID NOT KNOW HIM BEFORE.

in CAPSLINGO we have a PARADOX
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