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« Reply #1780 on: April 10, 2008, 09:00:23 AM »

Is this the map you want?
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« Reply #1782 on: April 10, 2008, 09:19:15 AM »

Nothing wrong with posting it in here..it is true..now we have to wait until the next election to see any change. 


Mum, Sorry, I fell back asleep.  I am now confused again...would you please leave out the Arends guy...I am fairly certain the person you want is going to be Freddy Zedan.  That is the person that gave the PV and the one Anita was so eager to learn information from....that tells me that he DOES have some answers and these are answers they do not want told.  Joran is still playing tennis with Freddy in November of last year...so they are not on the "outs" as friends like Joran is with some others...interesting too, given Freddy gave so many statements to the police.  There is a reason of which we will never know given the fact that those PV's are never going to see the light of day.  Freddy does not need to tell the truth because the Kalpoes can't make him.
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« Reply #1783 on: April 10, 2008, 09:33:58 AM »

Nothing wrong with posting it in here..it is true..now we have to wait until the next election to see any change. 


Mum, Sorry, I fell back asleep.  I am now confused again...would you please leave out the Arends guy...I am fairly certain the person you want is going to be Freddy Zedan.  That is the person that gave the PV and the one Anita was so eager to learn information from....that tells me that he DOES have some answers and these are answers they do not want told.  Joran is still playing tennis with Freddy in November of last year...so they are not on the "outs" as friends like Joran is with some others...interesting too, given Freddy gave so many statements to the police.  There is a reason of which we will never know given the fact that those PV's are never going to see the light of day.  Freddy does not need to tell the truth because the Kalpoes can't make him.

and didn't Freddy's parents get a call to go over to the Sloots also? I seem to remember they got upset and stood up to leave. So, I doubt that the parents of Freddy would be called to a meeting at the Sloots if Freddy didn't hold some of the answers.
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« Reply #1784 on: April 10, 2008, 09:56:37 AM »

Do you have this article, Mum?


Aruba Suspects Accused of Taking Sex Photos of Another Girl
Thursday , September 01, 2005

ORANJESTAD, Aruba —

The mother of a Dutch suspect held in the disappearance of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway (search) said her son was innocent of new allegations that he and three friends took pictures of another girl in "tempting poses."

Anita van der Sloot said the new allegations showed prosecutors were desperate and did not have evidence to link her 18-year-old son to Holloway's disappearance.

"It's a desperate attempt to get the boys to talk," she said. "But there is nothing to talk about. Nobody takes this nonsense seriously."

Joran van der Sloot (search) was arrested June 9 along with two friends, Surinamese nationals Satish Kalpoe (search), 18, and Deepak Kalpoe (search), 21, on suspicion of involvement in Holloway's disappearance.

The Kalpoe brothers were released July 4 and rearrested last week with a friend of the three young men, Freddy Alexander Zedan-Arambatzis (search), 21.

Zedan-Arambatzis, who is not suspected of involvement in the Holloway case, is accused of taking photos of a minor female in "tempting poses" and of showing the photos to other people, said his lawyer, Diana Emerencia. He is also suspected of having unspecified "physical contact" with the girl, she said.

The Kalpoe brothers and van der Sloot are also suspected of involvement in the incident, which allegedly occurred before Holloway disappeared, Emerencia said.

Van der Sloot's lawyer, Antonio Carlo, said prosecutors introduced two allegations of a "sexual nature" during a hearing Wednesday on whether to keep the Dutch teen detained for another 30 days. Carlo did not specify what the allegations were.

The judge has until Sept. 3 to decide whether to prolong van der Sloot's detention. Suspects can be held for 116 days without charge in the Dutch Caribbean territory. If the judge orders van der Sloot to remain held, prosecutors will have 30 days to charge him, or he must be freed.

Anita van der Sloot said her son and his friends were present when the photos were taken by another friend, whom she did not identify. She denied the photos were of a sexual nature or that her son and his friends had sexual contact with the girl.

"It's a lovely picture of a young girl in a bikini," she said.

Prosecutors also asked the judge Wednesday to order the Kalpoe brothers held for another eight days, the prosecutor's office said in a statement Thursday.

Attempts to contact prosecutors for further comment were unsuccessful.

"I believe in the judicial system of my country. I believe in my son's innocence," Anita van der Sloot said. "If the decision is not in his favor, we'll just take it from there."

Eighteen-year-old Holloway, of Mountain Brook, Ala., was last seen May 30 leaving a bar with the Kalpoes and van der Sloot, hours before she was to end a vacation celebrating her graduation. Extensive searches have produced no sign of her.

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« Reply #1785 on: April 10, 2008, 10:04:15 AM »

I think we sometimes chase our tails in here and never take some things at face value.  I realize that can not always be done in this case, but there are several things ( I suppose you could call the facts) that were known to be true at the time and still are until proven otherwise. 

Mum's Freddy is still the same Freddy she has always looked at...Freddy Zedan...this surname stuff some of these cultures use is just confusing everyone.  Yes, there is a Fred Arends and yes, he may have something to do with this, but we need to see proof before we go running off in too many directions.  Lately, the confusion in here has me in a spin.  I want to see proof of some things and until that happen I am sticking with some of the things we already know...not saying it won't change in the future.

And about the name Croes...I am certain there are many Croes on Aruba related to many others. Just as in my town there are numerous Smiths and Jones...but not all are best buds to each other or related except by distant cousins ten times removed.  There are people in several Croes families that have a common ancestor or even a common grandparent that are not friendly or even associate with the other side of the family. Sometimes you have to look past the name and see the other things too.  Why do I say this?  Because I have done my own research too...I don't just take things at face value.  So it remains...confusion and chaos in the Shango Forum....LOL!   Just another day at the office.  Rolling Eyes
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« Reply #1786 on: April 10, 2008, 11:01:43 AM »

Thanks Blonde, vms and Lala’s…took a nap this morning myself…need to stop waking up at 2AM!

I need to rethink all of this again as it is way muddier than when I got up this morning. And the one big hurdle for me from just staying with Freddy Zedan is the August arrest. It appears it took Fox 3 days to confirm the name. Where did the name come from. Maybe the same place that Mr Pink came from, the internet. Or did the Freddy Zedan come from the contacts in Aruba, ie Julia? And the big one on this is ‘Freddy’ being released so quietly. Why!

I need to go back and re-examine all the Freddy references from the Kalpoes in the PV’s, such as telling ALE to ask Freddy for the answers to certain things. Why would they ‘have’ to ask Freddy if Joran drove or not? Did Freddy have to give Satish permission to answer for himself.

Why was Freddy making decisions on the shoes, advising Joran and the Kalpoes? Seems to be a little more to Freddy than a tennis buddy who lived behind his house! If all we have been told is true, he would be the same age as Deepak. It appears that Freddy has some sort of hold over them all!


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« Reply #1787 on: April 10, 2008, 11:24:56 AM »

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I`m going to quickly take you to breaking news out of Aruba. Chief suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, the Alabama girl, is set to be released from jail.

Tonight, in Aruba, Twitty family attorney Helen LeJuez. Jossy Mansur is back with us, from "Diario" newspaper. In Houston, Natalee`s uncle, Paul Reynolds. In New York, defense attorney Jason Oshins and psychotherapist Caryn Stark.

Also with us, CNN correspondent Susan Candiotti. Susan, is it true?

SUSAN CANDIOTTI, CNN CORRESPONDENT: It is true. The judge says that Joran Van Der Sloot gets to go home on Saturday. The judge agreed to free him, despite motions by prosecutors to keep the teenager behind bars for another 60 days as a suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, despite the fact that prosecutors presented 300 pages of documents.

Obviously, the judge didn`t buy it. The defense arguing there was no evidence to tie the young man to the disappearance and to hold him any longer. But the judge technically agreed to keep him in pretrial detention for another 30 days, but then turned around and suspended that order, granting the defense motion to let him go home.

However, the judge set conditions. He said that Van Der Sloot must remain available to the ongoing investigation, meaning they can call him in for questioning at any time.

GRACE: Right.

CANDIOTTI: He cannot go to college, as he had planned, in Florida, where he was accepted. And the defense attorney, at this time, however, said he did not want to reveal what the other special conditions were.

GRACE: OK.

CANDIOTTI: However, I would think, Nancy, it`s unlikely he`ll be able to stray far from Aruba.

GRACE: Helen LeJuez, Twitty family attorney, response from Natalee`s family?

HELEN LEJUEZ, TWITTY FAMILY ATTORNEY: I cannot hear you.

GRACE: Is there a response from Natalee`s family, Helen?

LEJUEZ: Yes. They are very, very upset and very sad tonight.

GRACE: To Jossy Mansur, welcome back, Jossy. We missed you. I`m glad to see you.

Jossy, I`m stunned. I am stunned.

LEJUEZ: By this news, so am I, and so are many people. I mean, I understand that he did get an extension of 30 days, and the 30 days was suspended. The Satish lawyer told us that Satish will get another eight days. And from Deepak, we don`t know anything yet.

Freddy, the other guy, that he wants to be called Zedan, instead of Arambatzis, is still in jail and got another eight days, also. But it is stunning.

GRACE: To Jason Oshins, did you believe this day would come?

JASON OSHINS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: You know what, Nancy? It was a little bit telling that it would. I mean, the Kalpoes were released initially. And then the prosecutors went after them again on some different charges.

So, Nancy, there`s no body. There`s no physical evidence. I mean, surely, you know, as a prosecutor, you need some aids to assist you in a prosecution. Here, they can hold them before charging, but there`s nothing to work with. And, obviously, the judge agreed that the mound of evidence didn`t amount to enough.

GRACE: Paul Reynolds, you`re Natalee`s uncle. You must be stunned tonight.

PAUL REYNOLDS, NATALEE HOLLOWAY`S UNCLE: Well, Nancy, obviously, we`re very disappointed. You know, we cannot understand how there could be such a lack of evidence that would release him. You know, but we`re not giving up. You know, the Kalpoe brothers are still there.

We certainly think lesser charges need to be considered against them. And they need to understand that these -- there are charges that are available against them, which would give them incentive to give us some information as to what happened that night.

GRACE: Very quickly, everyone, to tonight`s "All-Points Bulletin."

FBI and law enforcement across the country on the lookout for this man, Jason Derek Brown, wanted in connection with the 2004 murder and robbery in Phoenix of 25-year-old Robert Keith Palomares, an armored guard outside a movie theater.

Brown, 36, 5`10", 175 pounds, blond hair, green eyes. If you have info on Jason Derek Brown, call the FBI, 602-279-5511.

Local news next for some of you, but we`ll all be right back. And remember, live coverage of our live trial, 3:00 to 5:00 Eastern on Court TV`s "Closing Arguments." Please stay with us, as we remember U.S. Army Major Gregory Fester, 41, an American hero.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

GRACE: Welcome back. Breaking news out of Aruba.

The chief suspect in the case of 18-year-old Natalee Holloway`s disappearance is set to be released on Saturday, Joran Van Der Sloot.

To psychotherapist Caryn Stark. Caryn, a lot of people are speculating that somehow this will make the Kalpoe brothers talk. Are they kidding? They`ll think they`re next in line to be released.

CARYN STARK, PSYCHOTHERAPIST: I would agree with you, Nancy. I believe that they`re not going to talk. No one`s talked yet. And as a result, we see that he may be leaving on Saturday and never accused. So I think the Kalpoe brothers are wise to not say anything. And eventually, they may be released as well.

GRACE: Is there a way, Jason, for Van Der Sloot to be charged yet?

OSHINS: Sure, he can be charged, just like the Kalpoe brothers. They can re-arrest him on other charges. And certainly, the whole process could go and start again, just as it has with them.

GRACE: And to Jossy Mansur, Jossy, there`s been a lot of talk that, well, Van Der Sloot is a party boy. He`ll go out, and drink, and yak. You know what? I wouldn`t count on that to make a murder case.

MANSUR: I wouldn`t, either, because I don`t think he`s going to talk. I think he`s going to be extra careful as to what he does and what he says. His father will make sure of that.

GRACE: Jossy, what`s the response there in Aruba to this?

MANSUR: You know, so far, I don`t think too many people know about this yet, because it was just something that came out in the afternoon. And I don`t think the news has gotten out yet.

GRACE: Caryn Stark, it`s already been bad enough on the family to lose Natalee, but now this.

STARK: Think about it, Nancy. Take the fact that they`ve lost their daughter, the debilitation. It will never be ending. And at this point, they have absolutely no resolve. So the loss is exacerbated by the fact that they may never, ever know what happened to her or who did it. So there`s nothing worse than that.

GRACE: Repeat, breaking news out of Aruba. The chief suspect, Joran Van Der Sloot, set to be released on Saturday.

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« Reply #1788 on: April 10, 2008, 12:16:34 PM »

In addition, it was reported that both Max Arends and Jamie Carasquilla were brought in and questioned by polis regarding this pornographic video.)
From August 26
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MI DUSHI:
STEVE CROES WORKED HERE TOO


DOES ANYONE HAVE THE VIDEO OF GRETA INTERVIEWING STEVE CROES AT HIS HOME WHEN HE WAS GOING TO TAKE HIS PASSENGER TO THE AIRPORT?



Here's the transcript, I think....scroll down after Nadira and Anita.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160562,00.html

Thank You Ms. Klassend. I need the video though, if anyone has it saved.
Political Teen removed it.
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« Reply #1789 on: April 10, 2008, 12:25:17 PM »

Max Arrends (he is the kid in school in Florida). He was the guy who first everyone thought was the witness for Lorenzo, but his sister posted he did not know these guys or something. I vaguely recall her posting at SM about it.

Maxito Arrendz (I believe this is the guy who was the alibi for Lorenzo). He races a red mustang.

Steve Croes races cars too.
Steve Croes had access to the Zodiac (boat).

Has anyone tracked/traced Kalpoes sister?


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« Reply #1790 on: April 10, 2008, 02:40:53 PM »

. A "brick" is a bundle of 50 bags of heroin....More trivia!!!
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« Reply #1791 on: April 10, 2008, 02:43:33 PM »

. A "brick" is a bundle of 50 bags of heroin....More trivia!!!

I don't know a lot about heroin, but could it be considered "Yellow"????... I know there is black tar heroin. Just saying ...

yellow bricks?????
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« Reply #1792 on: April 10, 2008, 02:46:36 PM »

Kerm, Hi....

The only chance to get that video is if Carpe still has it. I just asked him and he has had a lot of accounts closed due to copyright issues, but he might still have it on a disk or HD somewhere. When he replies, I'll post the response.
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« Reply #1793 on: April 10, 2008, 04:43:05 PM »

Hi monkeys,

My research is going well,

Kalpoe                             Bodjhperkash S   5/2/1964                Distr. Wanica   Seroe Patrishi 14C
Kalpoe, geb. Debipersad   Santakoemarie   10/28/1968   Distr.Saramacca   Seroe Patrishi 14C


The Above names are the Father and Mother Kalpoe and their address is Seroe Patrishi 41C

Ospina                              Martha B                     11/20/1950   Barranquilla   Seroe Patrishi 14F
van der Eem                        Patrick P                 4/1/1973     Curacao                Seroe Patrishi 14F

Now in 2005 Patrick was register as living in Aruba. His Address is just 1 house down across the street from the Kalpoe's

Patrick know the Kalpoes then already, Patric was living with a girl name Marta Ospina. Scarface know the Kalpoes, What odd is that Patrick know also Joran famaly for a long time.

Now for Giovanni Ponson, H used to own a bussiness called INEX N.V. then moved on the open the Cyber Cafe, Near the Seaport. He has a son form an other marrage called Diego... still a kid.

Now Angelina Reppas came in the picture when Gio was in the computer repair in INEX. The odd is that They build a new house near not to far from the Raquet club with out a mortgage...He also just setup his own contruction company

Hire a some workers and let them build the house. Where the money to build that house came from is still a mistery. It seem that it came from europe when just beside the Internet cafe Angelina opend her own boutique selling European Fashon.  They seems to be connected to the owners of Tropical Cafe N.V. mr. Everts. The trpoical cafe also was a small cafe and suddenly it also was renovated to a hgh class cafe. Where is the money come from.

Rent on the places from Gios and Mr. Everts to the De Veer or Seaport Rantal Management is in the $25,000.00 a month.

The strike is now in full swing.





 


The Kalpoes lived with their mother and step-father:

Luis & (Nadira) Khentwattie Rujkumar Ramirez
Hooiberg 91-B

I believe their biological father lives in Suriname...



VMS are you sure your data is correct, at the adress lives these persons

Bouwman   Martin R   11/22/1950   Soerabaja   Hooiberg 91B
Ramirez   Luis A   5/2/1960   Aruba   Hooiberg 91B

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« Reply #1794 on: April 10, 2008, 04:49:05 PM »

Hi monkeys,

My research is going well,

Kalpoe                             Bodjhperkash S   5/2/1964                Distr. Wanica   Seroe Patrishi 14C
Kalpoe, geb. Debipersad   Santakoemarie   10/28/1968   Distr.Saramacca   Seroe Patrishi 14C


The Above names are the Father and Mother Kalpoe and their address is Seroe Patrishi 41C

Ospina                              Martha B                     11/20/1950   Barranquilla   Seroe Patrishi 14F
van der Eem                        Patrick P                 4/1/1973     Curacao                Seroe Patrishi 14F

Now in 2005 Patrick was register as living in Aruba. His Address is just 1 house down across the street from the Kalpoe's

Patrick know the Kalpoes then already, Patric was living with a girl name Marta Ospina. Scarface know the Kalpoes, What odd is that Patrick know also Joran famaly for a long time.

Now for Giovanni Ponson, H used to own a bussiness called INEX N.V. then moved on the open the Cyber Cafe, Near the Seaport. He has a son form an other marrage called Diego... still a kid.

Now Angelina Reppas came in the picture when Gio was in the computer repair in INEX. The odd is that They build a new house near not to far from the Raquet club with out a mortgage...He also just setup his own contruction company

Hire a some workers and let them build the house. Where the money to build that house came from is still a mistery. It seem that it came from europe when just beside the Internet cafe Angelina opend her own boutique selling European Fashon.  They seems to be connected to the owners of Tropical Cafe N.V. mr. Everts. The trpoical cafe also was a small cafe and suddenly it also was renovated to a hgh class cafe. Where is the money come from.

Rent on the places from Gios and Mr. Everts to the De Veer or Seaport Rantal Management is in the $25,000.00 a month.

The strike is now in full swing.





 


The Kalpoes lived with their mother and step-father:

Luis & (Nadira) Khentwattie Rujkumar Ramirez
Hooiberg 91-B

I believe their biological father lives in Suriname...



VMS are you sure your data is correct, at the adress lives these persons

Bouwman   Martin R   11/22/1950   Soerabaja   Hooiberg 91B
Ramirez   Luis A   5/2/1960   Aruba   Hooiberg 91B



Luis Ramirez is their step-father. The address is listed in the chamber records and also, IIRC, there is a picture of their home where the address (number) is visible.

http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=34963

I don't know about the Bouman person though, Caps.
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« Reply #1795 on: April 10, 2008, 05:11:37 PM »

. A "brick" is a bundle of 50 bags of heroin....More trivia!!!

I don't know a lot about heroin, but could it be considered "Yellow"????... I know there is black tar heroin. Just saying ...

yellow bricks?????

Did you mean "gold" bricks? LOL
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« Reply #1796 on: April 10, 2008, 05:23:35 PM »

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« Reply #1797 on: April 10, 2008, 05:30:32 PM »

Kerm, Hi....

The only chance to get that video is if Carpe still has it. I just asked him and he has had a lot of accounts closed due to copyright issues, but he might still have it on a disk or HD somewhere. When he replies, I'll post the response.

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« Reply #1798 on: April 10, 2008, 05:34:52 PM »

Kerm, Hi....

The only chance to get that video is if Carpe still has it. I just asked him and he has had a lot of accounts closed due to copyright issues, but he might still have it on a disk or HD somewhere. When he replies, I'll post the response.

Thank you Rob.

always Kerm, anyway, Carpe replied and he does not have it and is looking elsewhere.
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« Reply #1799 on: April 10, 2008, 06:38:34 PM »

Nothing wrong with posting it in here..it is true..now we have to wait until the next election to see any change. 


Mum, Sorry, I fell back asleep.  I am now confused again...would you please leave out the Arends guy...I am fairly certain the person you want is going to be Freddy Zedan.  That is the person that gave the PV and the one Anita was so eager to learn information from....that tells me that he DOES have some answers and these are answers they do not want told.  Joran is still playing tennis with Freddy in November of last year...so they are not on the "outs" as friends like Joran is with some others...interesting too, given Freddy gave so many statements to the police.  There is a reason of which we will never know given the fact that those PV's are never going to see the light of day.  Freddy does not need to tell the truth because the Kalpoes can't make him.


If this is based on the pictures posted with the beach tennis video....the pic of Freddy and Joran was actually an old one from 2004?  I had checked out all the pics when kbm (Kawish/Joran) was posting. It had been loaded as a historic picture...
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