SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2

[MumInOhio]

In addition, it was reported that both Max Arends and Jamie Carasquilla were brought in and questioned by polis regarding this pornographic video.)
From August 26
 http://tinyurl.com/ygvhey


MI DUSHI:
STEVE CROES WORKED HERE TOO


DOES ANYONE HAVE THE VIDEO OF GRETA INTERVIEWING STEVE CROES AT HIS HOME WHEN HE WAS GOING TO TAKE HIS PASSENGER TO THE AIRPORT?

I think these may all be related …..No Arends or Arendz?

Name: Stefany Mejia Cortes
Date: 23 August 2005
Pages: 5 (attachments of photographs)
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs/ Eric Soemers
Description: witness statement/complaint

Name: Stefany Mejia Cortes
Date: 24 August 2005
Pages: 3
WriteriInitiator.. Dennis Jacobs/ Eric Soemers
Description: witness statement/complaint Name: Jossy Mansur
Date: 25 August 2005 / 12:30
Pages: 2 (1 attachment)
Writer/Initiator. J.J De Windt
Description: witness statement

Name: Leonardo Lopez Rivera (second statement) May be 'Chato'
Date: 29 August 2005
Pages: 3
Writer/initiator: Dennis Jacobs/ Eric Soemers
Description: witness statement

Name: Carmen Aurora Pacheco ...Is this Freddy's girlfriend?Date: 29 August 2005
Pages: 3
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs/ Eric Soemers
Description: witness statement

Name: Steve Croes
Date: 29 August 2005 / 9:15
Pages: 6
Writer/Initiator: A.R De Ruiter/ CJM Burgwal
Description: interrogation of a suspect

Name: Jaime Alberto Carrasquilla
Date:30 August 2005
Pages: 5
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs/ Eric Soemers
Description: witness statement

Name: Koen Gottenbos
Date: 30 August 2005 / 18:30
Pages: 3
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs /Eric Soemers
Description: witness statement

Leonardo Lopez Rivera

I'm pretty sure this guy use to be close buddies with Joran and they drank together, but something happened between them. Sounded to me like Joran got ticked at the guy or something and that was the end of the friendship.

Three statements...wonder if it was something he said?

[Blonde]

Good afternoon, Mum.
What are we looking for in the pic? TIA


Destiny,
Yes, that is where we find many of the names...

Hi vms...just wondering if anyone sees anything different about Freddy? Sometimes I see things differently! Sorry...I thought I had replied...do not multitask very well either!

You don't happen to know the exact charges against the Kalpoes from August of 2005 do you?   TIA

I found this for you

The Kalpoe brothers were re-arrested on August 26 along with another new suspect.[13] Freddy Arambatzis (21), according to his lawyer, was suspected of taking photographs of and having physical contact with an underage girl, an incident with allegedly occurred prior to the Holloway disappearance and in which Arambatzis's friends Van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers were supposedly involved

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natalee_Holloway

[MumInOhio]

Good afternoon, Mum.
What are we looking for in the pic? TIA


Destiny,
Yes, that is where we find many of the names...

Hi vms...just wondering if anyone sees anything different about Freddy? Sometimes I see things differently! Sorry...I thought I had replied...do not multitask very well either!

You don't happen to know the exact charges against the Kalpoes from August of 2005 do you?   TIA

I found this for you

The Kalpoe brothers were re-arrested on August 26 along with another new suspect.[13] Freddy Arambatzis (21), according to his lawyer, was suspected of taking photographs of and having physical contact with an underage girl, an incident with allegedly occurred prior to the Holloway disappearance and in which Arambatzis's friends Van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers were supposedly involved

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natalee_Holloway

Thanks Blonde...just trying to understand why the Dr Phil lawyers didn't request Freddy's statements from that time. They requested all the earlier ones and the ones from later on.  Hmmmm!

[MumInOhio]

Geez…some really terrible spellers worked on these records, just glad to see they got that Arambatzis in there!

No statements from the August 2005 arrests! Maybe the Dr. Phil lawyers missed them as Lala’s explained earlier.

Name: Freddy Zedan Arrambatzis
Date:20 July 2005
Pages: 4
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs, Eric Soemers
Description: witness statement

Name: Freddy Alenxander Arambatzis
Date: 10 February 2006/17:15
Pages: 5
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs /Eric Soemers
Description: interrogation of a suspect
Responsive to Request 41

[Buckeye]

Geez…some really terrible spellers worked on these records, just glad to see they got that Arambatzis in there!

No statements from the August 2005 arrests! Maybe the Dr. Phil lawyers missed them as Lala’s explained earlier.

Name: Freddy Zedan Arrambatzis
Date:20 July 2005
Pages: 4
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs, Eric Soemers
Description: witness statement

Name: Freddy Alenxander Arambatzis
Date: 10 February 2006/17:15
Pages: 5
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs /Eric Soemers
Description: interrogation of a suspect
Responsive to Request 41

The statements were listed by the Kalpoes in response to broad interrogatories from Dr. Phil.  Dr. Phil requested a few things by name, but not each statement.  The statement list was submitted by the Kalpoes.

[Buckeye]

Only a guess....but I would think Ernesto was probably not too excited seeing his info hit the internet.  Maybe he told Freddy to drop the name and go with Zedan.   

[jackb]

was surfing and found an expired poker/gaming site...was let there by searching some Aruba stuff.  www.lionsdengaming.com
site name has expired.  but it also let me to this. another online poker site that mentions the Lions Den...what if the Lions Den was/is a group of high stakes online poker players...yes, I have scrambled brains today...LOL

Bay 101 Shooting Stars Event; End of Day 1; San Jose, CA
Wednesday, 01 March 2006
 

Oh man, people, I am tired. My eyes are burning and my brain is mushy. We' re talking cream of wheat up there...with buttah.

Today certainly took it's toll on everyone's psyche. We finished up tonight at 11, and the troops were hurting. Everyone was pretty exhausted, but obviously stoked to still be alive.

The day started slowly and our table quickly became a battle between Fabrice Soulier and me. Unfortunately for me, I won the medium pots and Fab took down the monsters. This was exacerbated by the fact that I grossly misplayed two hands and ending up dumping quite a few chips off to him. Luckily for me we parted ways after about halfway through the day and so I only had to be his bitch for about 4 hours. On a sidenote, Tuan Le was our "star" and I got the chance to bust him and pick up the $5000 on his head. That made the event 50% cheaper for me, which was sweet. It sucked a little though, as Tuan is a part of our extended family and a good friend of mine. He had $5000 stamped on his head though! Sometimes you gotta take out your vietnamese brothers for that kind of cash, baby.

When I left my first table I was somehow sitting on about 28,000 chips, but then was moved into the lion's den. I had Dan Harrington, Isabelle Mercier, Nenad Medic, and Chris Grigorian at my new table. Talk about a brutal upgrade in competition. Ouch!

I got lucky enough somehow to build my stack up to about 66,000 fairly quickly when I ended up getting Dan all-in with against my . Yahtzee! We had built a massive pot as well, totaling about 38,000! I...was...stoked. Big time bad news for me though as Dan found the

      

 

Bay 101 Shooting Stars Event; End of Day 1; San Jose, CA
Wednesday, 01 March 2006
 

Oh man, people, I am tired. My eyes are burning and my brain is mushy. We' re talking cream of wheat up there...with buttah.

Today certainly took it's toll on everyone's psyche. We finished up tonight at 11, and the troops were hurting. Everyone was pretty exhausted, but obviously stoked to still be alive.

The day started slowly and our table quickly became a battle between Fabrice Soulier and me. Unfortunately for me, I won the medium pots and Fab took down the monsters. This was exacerbated by the fact that I grossly misplayed two hands and ending up dumping quite a few chips off to him. Luckily for me we parted ways after about halfway through the day and so I only had to be his bitch for about 4 hours. On a sidenote, Tuan Le was our "star" and I got the chance to bust him and pick up the $5000 on his head. That made the event 50% cheaper for me, which was sweet. It sucked a little though, as Tuan is a part of our extended family and a good friend of mine. He had $5000 stamped on his head though! Sometimes you gotta take out your vietnamese brothers for that kind of cash, baby.

When I left my first table I was somehow sitting on about 28,000 chips, but then was moved into the lion's den. I had Dan Harrington, Isabelle Mercier, Nenad Medic, and Chris Grigorian at my new table. Talk about a brutal upgrade in competition. Ouch!

I got lucky enough somehow to build my stack up to about 66,000 fairly quickly when I ended up getting Dan all-in with against my . Yahtzee! We had built a massive pot as well, totaling about 38,000! I...was...stoked. Big time bad news for me though as Dan found the

vely inte lesting.  Remember on David came out alive.  Wonder if Daury Daniel was in the Lion's Den as well.   j/b

[jackb]

was surfing and found an expired poker/gaming site...was let there by searching some Aruba stuff.  www.lionsdengaming.com
site name has expired.  but it also let me to this. another online poker site that mentions the Lions Den...what if the Lions Den was/is a group of high stakes online poker players...yes, I have scrambled brains today...LOL

Bay 101 Shooting Stars Event; End of Day 1; San Jose, CA
Wednesday, 01 March 2006
 

Oh man, people, I am tired. My eyes are burning and my brain is mushy. We' re talking cream of wheat up there...with buttah.

Today certainly took it's toll on everyone's psyche. We finished up tonight at 11, and the troops were hurting. Everyone was pretty exhausted, but obviously stoked to still be alive.

The day started slowly and our table quickly became a battle between Fabrice Soulier and me. Unfortunately for me, I won the medium pots and Fab took down the monsters. This was exacerbated by the fact that I grossly misplayed two hands and ending up dumping quite a few chips off to him. Luckily for me we parted ways after about halfway through the day and so I only had to be his bitch for about 4 hours. On a sidenote, Tuan Le was our "star" and I got the chance to bust him and pick up the $5000 on his head. That made the event 50% cheaper for me, which was sweet. It sucked a little though, as Tuan is a part of our extended family and a good friend of mine. He had $5000 stamped on his head though! Sometimes you gotta take out your vietnamese brothers for that kind of cash, baby.

When I left my first table I was somehow sitting on about 28,000 chips, but then was moved into the lion's den. I had Dan Harrington, Isabelle Mercier, Nenad Medic, and Chris Grigorian at my new table. Talk about a brutal upgrade in competition. Ouch!

I got lucky enough somehow to build my stack up to about 66,000 fairly quickly when I ended up getting Dan all-in with against my . Yahtzee! We had built a massive pot as well, totaling about 38,000! I...was...stoked. Big time bad news for me though as Dan found the

      

 

Bay 101 Shooting Stars Event; End of Day 1; San Jose, CA
Wednesday, 01 March 2006
 

Oh man, people, I am tired. My eyes are burning and my brain is mushy. We' re talking cream of wheat up there...with buttah.

Today certainly took it's toll on everyone's psyche. We finished up tonight at 11, and the troops were hurting. Everyone was pretty exhausted, but obviously stoked to still be alive.

The day started slowly and our table quickly became a battle between Fabrice Soulier and me. Unfortunately for me, I won the medium pots and Fab took down the monsters. This was exacerbated by the fact that I grossly misplayed two hands and ending up dumping quite a few chips off to him. Luckily for me we parted ways after about halfway through the day and so I only had to be his bitch for about 4 hours. On a sidenote, Tuan Le was our "star" and I got the chance to bust him and pick up the $5000 on his head. That made the event 50% cheaper for me, which was sweet. It sucked a little though, as Tuan is a part of our extended family and a good friend of mine. He had $5000 stamped on his head though! Sometimes you gotta take out your vietnamese brothers for that kind of cash, baby.

When I left my first table I was somehow sitting on about 28,000 chips, but then was moved into the lion's den. I had Dan Harrington, Isabelle Mercier, Nenad Medic, and Chris Grigorian at my new table. Talk about a brutal upgrade in competition. Ouch!

I got lucky enough somehow to build my stack up to about 66,000 fairly quickly when I ended up getting Dan all-in with against my . Yahtzee! We had built a massive pot as well, totaling about 38,000! I...was...stoked. Big time bad news for me though as Dan found the

vely inte lesting.  Remember on David came out alive.  Wonder if Daury Daniel was in the Lion's Den as well.   j/b

Remember someone was supposed to have gotten a ride home with an Elvis and his wife whose son was at the casino and the lions den gambling link has an Elvis stuck in there for some reason.    j/b

[texasmom]

was surfing and found an expired poker/gaming site...was let there by searching some Aruba stuff.  www.lionsdengaming.com
site name has expired.  but it also let me to this. another online poker site that mentions the Lions Den...what if the Lions Den was/is a group of high stakes online poker players...yes, I have scrambled brains today...LOL

Bay 101 Shooting Stars Event; End of Day 1; San Jose, CA
Wednesday, 01 March 2006
 

Oh man, people, I am tired. My eyes are burning and my brain is mushy. We' re talking cream of wheat up there...with buttah.

Today certainly took it's toll on everyone's psyche. We finished up tonight at 11, and the troops were hurting. Everyone was pretty exhausted, but obviously stoked to still be alive.

The day started slowly and our table quickly became a battle between Fabrice Soulier and me. Unfortunately for me, I won the medium pots and Fab took down the monsters. This was exacerbated by the fact that I grossly misplayed two hands and ending up dumping quite a few chips off to him. Luckily for me we parted ways after about halfway through the day and so I only had to be his bitch for about 4 hours. On a sidenote, Tuan Le was our "star" and I got the chance to bust him and pick up the $5000 on his head. That made the event 50% cheaper for me, which was sweet. It sucked a little though, as Tuan is a part of our extended family and a good friend of mine. He had $5000 stamped on his head though! Sometimes you gotta take out your vietnamese brothers for that kind of cash, baby.

When I left my first table I was somehow sitting on about 28,000 chips, but then was moved into the lion's den. I had Dan Harrington, Isabelle Mercier, Nenad Medic, and Chris Grigorian at my new table. Talk about a brutal upgrade in competition. Ouch!

I got lucky enough somehow to build my stack up to about 66,000 fairly quickly when I ended up getting Dan all-in with against my . Yahtzee! We had built a massive pot as well, totaling about 38,000! I...was...stoked. Big time bad news for me though as Dan found the

      

 

Bay 101 Shooting Stars Event; End of Day 1; San Jose, CA
Wednesday, 01 March 2006
 

Oh man, people, I am tired. My eyes are burning and my brain is mushy. We' re talking cream of wheat up there...with buttah.

Today certainly took it's toll on everyone's psyche. We finished up tonight at 11, and the troops were hurting. Everyone was pretty exhausted, but obviously stoked to still be alive.

The day started slowly and our table quickly became a battle between Fabrice Soulier and me. Unfortunately for me, I won the medium pots and Fab took down the monsters. This was exacerbated by the fact that I grossly misplayed two hands and ending up dumping quite a few chips off to him. Luckily for me we parted ways after about halfway through the day and so I only had to be his bitch for about 4 hours. On a sidenote, Tuan Le was our "star" and I got the chance to bust him and pick up the $5000 on his head. That made the event 50% cheaper for me, which was sweet. It sucked a little though, as Tuan is a part of our extended family and a good friend of mine. He had $5000 stamped on his head though! Sometimes you gotta take out your vietnamese brothers for that kind of cash, baby.

When I left my first table I was somehow sitting on about 28,000 chips, but then was moved into the lion's den. I had Dan Harrington, Isabelle Mercier, Nenad Medic, and Chris Grigorian at my new table. Talk about a brutal upgrade in competition. Ouch!

I got lucky enough somehow to build my stack up to about 66,000 fairly quickly when I ended up getting Dan all-in with against my . Yahtzee! We had built a massive pot as well, totaling about 38,000! I...was...stoked. Big time bad news for me though as Dan found the

vely inte lesting.  Remember on David came out alive.  Wonder if Daury Daniel was in the Lion's Den as well.   j/b

Remember someone was supposed to have gotten a ride home with an Elvis and his wife whose son was at the casino and the lions den gambling link has an Elvis stuck in there for some reason.    j/b

I remember the story about giving a ride to an Elvis and his wife and came across this while looking for it.  I assume the "Elvis" in the following clip turned out to be Abraham Jones but didn't remember him ever being described as such.

Snip:
June 8, 2005
Natalee Holloway Suspects Identified: Dutch Authorities And MSM Not Telling Full Story

 A report in the Birmingham News has tentatively identified the two suspects arrested and expected to be held over on suspicion of the murder and kidnapping of Natalee Holloway.

A security guard from the casino attached to the hotel identified one of the detainees as Mickey John of Granada, and the other only as Elvis from the nearby island of Bonaire.
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/week23/

[CapsLockWizard]

Hi monkeys

a question, Any body had any luck searching for the sumerians

other question how many kids were there on the trip 123 or 124

[sirensong]

http://lionsdenonlinecasino.com/tac.phtml

http://www.macaubusiness.com/index.php?id=1070


Lion's Den

[texasmom]

Hi monkeys

a question, Any body had any luck searching for the sumerians

other question how many kids were there on the trip 123 or 124

Hi Caps,
Sorry I can't be of much assistance.  I have no idea on the sumerians.  Dave said in his book that there were "approximately 125 students" and 7 chaperones on the trip.  Hopefully someone else will have a more accurate count on the students.

[finngirl]

Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 3:36 am klaasend wrote:

Webshot photo of Freddy working at Champions as a bartender uploaded to Webshots in November 2005:
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e82/klaasend2/freddybartender.jpg

Comment made by this same person on their Webshot site where the above photo of Freddy was found:
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e82/klaasend2/championscnccaption.jpg

Edited to add: Champions Bar is at the Marriot

having some beers @ champions
before going out
where the bartenders told
us too wait for them @
carlos n charlies. everyone
loves us

by jenniferbeth 17

[CapsLockWizard]

Hi monkeys

a question, Any body had any luck searching for the sumerians

other question how many kids were there on the trip 123 or 124

Hi Caps,
Sorry I can't be of much assistance.  I have no idea on the sumerians.  Dave said in his book that there were "approximately 125 students" and 7 chaperones on the trip.  Hopefully someone else will have a more accurate count on the students.

so it was 125 - 1 = 124 - 1 = 123

it was 4 Dutch islanders + 7 Surinamians

Now check these...they know what has happend

The Aruba case - I've been waiting for this

http://www.sportscartel.com/lounge/f7/aruba-case-i-ve-been-waiting-29051/index2.html

please research this blog ... it seems tobe talking about what has happend from the gamblers point of view.

Klaasend see what you can research out of this gamblers site.

CAPS

[Finbar]

And about the name Croes...I am certain there are many Croes on Aruba related to many others. Just as in my town there are numerous Smiths and Jones...but not all are best buds to each other or related except by distant cousins ten times removed.  There are people in several Croes families that have a common ancestor or even a common grandparent that are not friendly or even associate with the other side of the family. Sometimes you have to look past the name and see the other things too.  Why do I say this?  Because I have done my own research too...I don't just take things at face value.  So it remains...confusion and chaos in the Shango Forum....LOL!   Just another day at the office. 

Ten times removed is a tad...distant. Me thinks we can find some relations that are closer than that.

http://www.usafamilydetective.com/cousin_chart.htm

Yes, Croes. I feel like I am on the Aruban Express. Croes, Croes, Croes. Ringing like a bell in me head.

Yes, the world is filled with Smith & Jones, but we are not speaking of the world. We are speaking about Aruba. A small island. Many are related. Many. It boils down to Family or Tourist. Leaves quite a predicament. Maybe even in what one might tell another in confidence.

The gossamer of Croes weaves all through the island. Some are of the name Croes as still yet. Some have other names. Some in this thread posted. Some relations, not yet connected by some....

There are many trees on Aruba. Some branches touch other trees. Time allows some to wear the mask of deception.

Trim a branch and see who falls out. It may give you a stir.


Fin

[sirensong]

http://www.midushi.com/

Okay, now I am wondering if Mi Dushi  was the snorkling trip the MB girls took.

[MumInOhio]

Geez…some really terrible spellers worked on these records, just glad to see they got that Arambatzis in there!

No statements from the August 2005 arrests! Maybe the Dr. Phil lawyers missed them as Lala’s explained earlier.

Name: Freddy Zedan Arrambatzis
Date:20 July 2005
Pages: 4
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs, Eric Soemers
Description: witness statement

Name: Freddy Alenxander Arambatzis
Date: 10 February 2006/17:15
Pages: 5
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs /Eric Soemers
Description: interrogation of a suspect
Responsive to Request 41

The statements were listed by the Kalpoes in response to broad interrogatories from Dr. Phil.  Dr. Phil requested a few things by name, but not each statement.  The statement list was submitted by the Kalpoes.

Thank you Buckeye. The ones from late August would not help the Kalpoes much against Dr. Phil!  Wonder if Dr. Phil can request other statements?

Any word on what is happening in the case?

[MumInOhio]

http://www.midushi.com/

Okay, now I am wondering if Mi Dushi  was the snorkling trip the MB girls took.

Hi Sirensong...Not sure if this was ever nailed down. did see de Palm tours posted.

Seems a zodiac patrolled around the Tattoo, so Steve did have access.

From a tourist…

Mi Dushi is a large, old, sailboat. It is well maintained, the crew is great, and you will have a fantastic time! They have a good open bar with premium liquor, including one of the best Bloody Mary’s on the island. They are also known for a new drink they invented called Toxic Waste. We recommend the morning cruise. It really makes a nice day, and you have a choice of a “surf and turf” or barbeque lunch. The also serve a continental breakfast, and fresh fruit at various times during the cruise. They make three snorkeling stops, two at a shallow reef, and one at the sunken German freighter Antilla in about 60 feet of water. They serve the lunch after the three stops. At the last snorkeling stop, before lunch, people can use the rope swing. Even if you don’t want to participate, it’s a lot of fun to watch. They are very safety conscious and always have staff in the water with the people, someone patrolling in the zodiac, and staff watching from the boat. One plus is that they travel with the zodiac, so when they get to the first stop, they can take people ashore in the zodiac. This is great for non-swimmers, children, first time snorkelers, and nervous people. They can then walk into the water from the beach, and go at their own pace. They also have a covered area in the stern of the boat in case you can’t take any more sun. They leave from the De Palm pier between the Radisson and Aruba Grand hotels. This snorkeling trip is the most fun! You can get a discount with the Visit Aruba Plus Card (one discount per each cardholder) if you make your reservation directly with them once you are in Aruba. They also have discount coupons in the tourism packets given out at the airport, but the discount isn’t as large. Even without a discount, this is worth it! We went out once on the Mi Dushi on this trip.

[MumInOhio]

Jackb…Dos Santos statement…Elvis Kelly…IIRC…something bad happened to a relative of his in Holland…

http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/police_documents/dossantos620.htm

On Sunday, May 29, 2005 in the evening hours, after the Texas Hold'm poker Tournament at the Excelsior casino I ran into “Elvis KELLY ", and his wife "Gladys”, and we all got into my fathers pickup and drove away. My father acted as a driver for our two passengers in his green pickup of the make Ford Ranger, license plate number "A-23793". We drove first to Wendy's Palm Beach to buy food, and after we had eaten, my father dropped off Elvis and Gladys at their home. Elvis and Gladys live in Noord. I don’t know their address, but I can designate to you their house. After we dropped Elvis and wife off at their home, my father and I went home. I no longer remember what time we got home

Snipped…

On Monday, May 30, 2005, around 20.00, my father and I went to the casino at the Wyndham hotel to play Texas Hold’m poker. When I arrived I met Elvis KELLY and his spouse there "Gladys" and I greeted them. When we arrived I called Joran from the mobile telephone of my father “Montival”.

[MumInOhio]

Hi monkeys

a question, Any body had any luck searching for the sumerians

other question how many kids were there on the trip 123 or 124

Caps...JE posted this on the old thread…same letters

 SUMERIAN=SURINAME

From what I recall there were 124 kids from Mountain Brook on the trip, but haven’t found the post that backs it up…Sorry!