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MumInOhio
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Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
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Reply #1860 on:
April 12, 2008, 08:27:38 AM »
Quote from: finngirl on April 11, 2008, 11:18:56 PM
Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 3:36 am klaasend wrote:
Webshot photo of Freddy working at Champions as a bartender uploaded to Webshots in November 2005:
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e82/klaasend2/freddybartender.jpg
Comment made by this same person on their Webshot site where the above photo of Freddy was found:
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e82/klaasend2/championscnccaption.jpg
Edited to add: Champions Bar is at the Marriot
having some beers @ champions
before going out
where the bartenders told
us too wait for them @
carlos n charlies. everyone
loves us
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Thanks Finngirl...Who switched places?...Homework for the day...LOL
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Quote from: CapsLockWizard on April 12, 2008, 12:36:01 AM
Quote from: texasmom on April 11, 2008, 10:31:56 PM
Quote from: CapsLockWizard on April 11, 2008, 10:06:11 PM
Hi monkeys
a question, Any body had any luck searching for the sumerians
other question how many kids were there on the trip 123 or 124
Hi Caps,
Sorry I can't be of much assistance. I have no idea on the sumerians. Dave said in his book that there were "approximately 125 students" and 7 chaperones on the trip. Hopefully someone else will have a more accurate count on the students.
so it was 125 - 1 = 124 - 1 = 123
it was 4 Dutch islanders + 7 Surinamians
Now check these...they know what has happend
The Aruba case - I've been waiting for this
http://www.sportscartel.com/lounge/f7/aruba-case-i-ve-been-waiting-29051/index2.html
please research this blog ... it seems tobe talking about what has happend from the gamblers point of view.
Klaasend see what you can research out of this gamblers site.
CAPS
Caps…
you appear to be trying to reach the ‘112’ from Merian here. My interpretation is 112 witnesses have been questioned, and those are the pieces that don’t fit! Please correct me if I am wrong on this!
Merian Ernest Posted
: Wed Jul 13, 2005 5:30 pm Post subject: Contradicting counsels...
Occum was a smart man, yet the process is to eliminate. Too many assumptions of wells and dirty waters. The babylonians and the gringos are shooting a fly with a cannon.
The mutts are said to never be wrong. The cowboys are angry, but they may get shot down on trespassing.
Look for counsels to call for bruised toes. They too know the palace well.
112 is the number brought in.
None have added. Whose hand is still in he picture?
Some têtes will roll in the weeks ahead. tetes I believe means heads
Merian Ernest Posted:
Wed Jul 13, 2005 5:43 pm Post subject: Ingrown nails and bruised toes hiding under black togas....
Look for counsels tomorrow getting off on tainted stories and rotten reputations.
Phones hacked by the babylonian hand.
112 pieces of the puzzle that don't fit.
The well is full of technicalities. Do not be surprised. Merian has been right before.
Caps...
I am sorry but I am totally confused with your posts…you asked about the Sumerians and then in the next post say there are 7! Please elaborate on these posts.
Could you please explain who the 7 Sumerians are? And who are the 4 Dutch?
Need some back up on the 125 MB'ers as well, or your math just won't work!
As always…Thanks in Advance.
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Quote from: Finbar on April 12, 2008, 12:55:45 AM
Quote from: Lala'sMom on April 10, 2008, 10:04:15 AM
And about the name Croes...I am certain there are many Croes on Aruba related to many others. Just as in my town there are numerous Smiths and Jones...but not all are best buds to each other or related except by distant cousins ten times removed. There are people in several Croes families that have a common ancestor or even a common grandparent that are not friendly or even associate with the other side of the family. Sometimes you have to look past the name and see the other things too. Why do I say this? Because I have done my own research too...I don't just take things at face value. So it remains...confusion and chaos in the Shango Forum....LOL! Just another day at the office.
Ten times removed is a tad...distant. Me thinks we can find some relations that are closer than that.
http://www.usafamilydetective.com/cousin_chart.htm
Yes, Croes. I feel like I am on the Aruban Express. Croes, Croes, Croes. Ringing like a bell in me head.
Yes, the world is filled with Smith & Jones, but we are not speaking of the world. We are speaking about Aruba. A small island. Many are related. Many. It boils down to Family or Tourist. Leaves quite a predicament. Maybe even in what one might tell another in confidence.
The gossamer of Croes weaves all through the island. Some are of the name Croes as still yet. Some have other names. Some in this thread posted. Some relations, not yet connected by some....
There are many trees on Aruba. Some branches touch other trees. Time allows some to wear the mask of deception.
Trim a branch and see who falls out. It may give you a stir.
Fin
Good Morning Finbar,
I know that you have us on the trail to another shocking family relationship, but you have to understand that it is very, very difficult for us to trace these families. I have professional genealogy subscriptions and I can't even find these families. Most online genealogy sites don't give the names of living family members. The people of the ABC islands have not submitted much genealogy at all. Some islanders use their father's name and others use their mother's name. A former poster was very unique in having completed a very elaborate family record. Many of the families also have ties directly into the Netherlands. Dutch names have had spellling changes. I understand that vital records are very carefully maintained in Oranjestadt, but we don't have access to those records. You have to help us out here so that we aren't just running in circles. At least give us a direction to move toward.
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Good Morning...SS
Question for the day...Which casino or hotel did the Kalpoe stepfather work at? TIA
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Quote from: CapsLockWizard on April 12, 2008, 12:36:01 AM
Quote from: texasmom on April 11, 2008, 10:31:56 PM
Quote from: CapsLockWizard on April 11, 2008, 10:06:11 PM
Hi monkeys
a question, Any body had any luck searching for the sumerians
other question how many kids were there on the trip 123 or 124
Hi Caps,
Sorry I can't be of much assistance. I have no idea on the sumerians. Dave said in his book that there were "approximately 125 students" and 7 chaperones on the trip. Hopefully someone else will have a more accurate count on the students.
so it was 125 - 1 = 124 - 1 = 123
it was 4 Dutch islanders + 7 Surinamians
Now check these...they know what has happend
The Aruba case - I've been waiting for this
http://www.sportscartel.com/lounge/f7/aruba-case-i-ve-been-waiting-29051/index2.html
please research this blog ... it seems tobe talking about what has happend from the gamblers point of view.
Klaasend see what you can research out of this gamblers site.
CAPS
Caps
...After reading the blog, I am even more confused!!!
http://www.sportscartel.com/lounge/f7/aruba-case-i-ve-been-waiting-29051/index3.html
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April 12, 2008, 01:12:01 PM »
Holloway came to Aruba for a five-day excursion with
124 seniors
and 40 chaperons from Mountain Brook High School, near Birmingham, Ala.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,158485,00.html
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That can't be right 40 chaperons from Mountain Brook High School?
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Quote from: Blonde on April 12, 2008, 02:06:30 PM
That can't be right 40 chaperons from Mountain Brook High School?
Fox was wrong Aruba Prime Minister: Solving Missing Teen Case Is 'No. 1 Goal' - News ...
Natalee Holloway joined more than 100 classmates and
seven
adult chaperones on a ... of the seven chaperones that went with the graduates on the trip to Aruba
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April 12, 2008, 02:39:46 PM »
Hi Blonde….
Thanks …found this, though I am not sure if this is a generalization or not! Oh…and the Sumerians could be the dark-haired guys – Wiki!
Alana Jordan:
(responding to suggestion from interviewer that chaperones were not doing their job) Well, the thing is, you have to keep in mind there are
130 of us.
Natalee is a pretty popular girl. She's friends with a lot of us. So if she wasn't with one group of friends, it wasn't that no one was looking out for her. It was that everyone was looking out for her, and we all thought she was with another group of friends. We were all out really late. There was no way the chaperones could have kept up with all of us. I was sitting by the pool until about 5 a.m. And our plane left three hours later. So I don't blame the chaperones in any way at all. They definitely did their job.
From texasmom….
Hi Caps,
Sorry I can't be of much assistance. I have no idea on the sumerians. Dave said in his book that there were "
approximately 125 students" and 7 chaperones
on the trip. Hopefully someone else will have a more accurate count on the students.
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Quote from: CapsLockWizard on April 11, 2008, 10:06:11 PM
Hi monkeys
a question, Any body had any luck searching for the sumerians
other question how many kids were there on the trip 123 or 124
An article I read the other day said 125, but I have mostly read 124. There should be a list in this blog. j/b
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Quote from: MumInOhio on April 12, 2008, 08:17:05 AM
Jackb
…Dos Santos statement…Elvis Kelly…IIRC…something bad happened to a relative of his in Holland…
http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/police_documents/dossantos620.htm
On Sunday, May 29, 2005 in the evening hours, after the Texas Hold'm poker Tournament at the Excelsior casino I ran into
“Elvis KELLY
", and his wife "Gladys”, and we all got into my fathers pickup and drove away. My father acted as a driver for our two passengers in his green pickup of the make Ford Ranger, license plate number "A-23793". We drove first to Wendy's Palm Beach to buy food, and after we had eaten, my father dropped off
Elvis
and Gladys at their home.
Elvis
and Gladys live in Noord. I don’t know their address, but I can designate to you their house. After we dropped
Elvis
and wife off at their home, my father and I went home. I no longer remember what time we got home
Snipped…
On Monday, May 30, 2005, around 20.00, my father and I went to the casino at the Wyndham hotel to play Texas Hold’m poker. When I arrived I met
Elvis KELLY
and his spouse there "Gladys" and I greeted them. When we arrived I called Joran from the mobile telephone of my father “Montival”.
Thanks Mum. I have heard a green truck mentioned somewhere, too. Maybe that was it.
Jackb.
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Gezzz wonder why we can't find the truth look...
The next day, Natalee left with approximately 125 students and 7 chaperone's
abcnews.go.com
Natalee and approximately 130 of her classmates
The students and 7 adult chaperone's
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Quote from: CapsLockWizard on April 12, 2008, 12:36:01 AM
Quote from: texasmom on April 11, 2008, 10:31:56 PM
Quote from: CapsLockWizard on April 11, 2008, 10:06:11 PM
Hi monkeys
a question, Any body had any luck searching for the sumerians
other question how many kids were there on the trip 123 or 124
Hi Caps,
Sorry I can't be of much assistance. I have no idea on the sumerians. Dave said in his book that there were "approximately 125 students" and 7 chaperones on the trip. Hopefully someone else will have a more accurate count on the students.
so it was 125 - 1 = 124 - 1 = 123
it was 4 Dutch islanders + 7 Surinamians
Now check these...they know what has happend
The Aruba case - I've been waiting for this
http://www.sportscartel.com/lounge/f7/aruba-case-i-ve-been-waiting-29051/index2.html
please research this blog ... it seems tobe talking about what has happend from the gamblers point of view.
Klaasend see what you can research out of this gamblers site.
CAPS
Could he have just been saying because she is a white American we seem to think (figuratively) she is more important than 4 dutch islanders and 7 sumerians? Maybe that is just a figure thrown out there. Then again, he might know nationalities of those closer to a planned disappearance or something of that nature. j/b
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BOB PLUMMER, CHAPERONE ON NATALEE HOLLOWAY ARUBA TRIP
: Thanks for having me.
VAN SUSTEREN: Bob, first of all,
how many students went on this trip
?
PLUMMER:
About 130
.
VAN SUSTEREN: Out of the 130, what percentage, loosely, were actually adults, were 18 years old?
PLUMMER: I think there were only maybe five or six that were not.
VAN SUSTEREN: All right. And as Natalee was 18 at that time, she was an adult?
PLUMMER: Yes, ma'am.
VAN SUSTEREN: All right.
How many chaperones went on the trip?
PLUMMER:
There were seven.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,186017,00.html
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Quote from: MumInOhio on April 12, 2008, 09:49:10 AM
Question for the day...Which casino or hotel did the Kalpoe stepfather work at? TIA
musta missed that
my only recollection is car rental business
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Quote from: MumInOhio on April 12, 2008, 08:27:38 AM
Quote from: finngirl on April 11, 2008, 11:18:56 PM
Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 3:36 am klaasend wrote:
Webshot photo of Freddy working at Champions as a bartender uploaded to Webshots in November 2005:
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e82/klaasend2/freddybartender.jpg
Comment made by this same person on their Webshot site where the above photo of Freddy was found:
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e82/klaasend2/championscnccaption.jpg
Edited to add: Champions Bar is at the Marriot
having some beers @ champions
before going out
where the bartenders told
us too wait for them @
carlos n charlies. everyone
loves us
by jenniferbeth 17
Thanks Finngirl...Who switched places?...Homework for the day...LOL
Joran switched places (he said) with his father at the gambling table. jackb
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Quote from: MumInOhio on April 12, 2008, 10:17:27 AM
Quote from: CapsLockWizard on April 12, 2008, 12:36:01 AM
Quote from: texasmom on April 11, 2008, 10:31:56 PM
Quote from: CapsLockWizard on April 11, 2008, 10:06:11 PM
Hi monkeys
a question, Any body had any luck searching for the sumerians
other question how many kids were there on the trip 123 or 124
Hi Caps,
Sorry I can't be of much assistance. I have no idea on the sumerians. Dave said in his book that there were "approximately 125 students" and 7 chaperones on the trip. Hopefully someone else will have a more accurate count on the students.
so it was 125 - 1 = 124 - 1 = 123
it was 4 Dutch islanders + 7 Surinamians
Now check these...they know what has happend
The Aruba case - I've been waiting for this
http://www.sportscartel.com/lounge/f7/aruba-case-i-ve-been-waiting-29051/index2.html
please research this blog ... it seems tobe talking about what has happend from the gamblers point of view.
Klaasend see what you can research out of this gamblers site.
CAPS
Caps
...After reading the blog, I am even more confused!!!
http://www.sportscartel.com/lounge/f7/aruba-case-i-ve-been-waiting-29051/index3.html
Capslock - I looked at the thread link you provided plus I searched that forum for more. I don't find anything of interest there.
7 Surinamians - I'm assuming means 7 from
Sur
aname (not
Sum
erians)
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I think there were 124 students on that trip. I need to ask someone...but I believe that is the correct number. My reason for saying this...if the chaperones had been there to actually oversee the students as in some high school trips that would be an average of 15 to 17 students each chaperone would be responsible for. 3 years ago I had this figured out, but since then I have lost my work on this. I know what the news reports said and I think they were using a rounded figure. I also know that some students that were there were not counted among the 124 because of other methods of arrival and departure as in private planes or length of time they stayed. Don't anyone take this as gospel...I am just retelling a story told to me. It's just FYI to ponder.
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Caps
Who are the 7 from Surinam? Which 4 Dutch?
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Lalas
and
Mum
Left something for you on page 12 of the main thread.
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===> Adji Desir - Florida
===> Somer Renee Thompson 7 yo, Orange Park FL 10/19/09(BODY FOUND)
===> Tracy Ocasio - Orlando/Ocoee, Florida
===> Shaniya Nicole Davis, 5 Fayetteville, NC Missing 11/10/09(BODY FOUND)
===> Holly Bobo, 20yrs old missing Parsons, TN 4/13/11
===> Hailey Dunn - 13yrs old - Colorado City, TX missing 12/27/10 (Body Found)
===> Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (BODY FOUND)
===> Lindsey Baum - McCleary, WA 6/26/09
===> Amber Leeanne Dubois 14yrs old - Escondido, CA(BODY FOUND)
===> Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
===> Sandra Cantu, 8 years old - Tracy, CA(BODY FOUND)
===> Madeleine McCann - Portugal
===> Christine Marie Sheddy - missing since 11/13/2007 - Maryland(BODY FOUND)
===> Nevaeh Amyah Buchanan 5yr Monroe Michigan(BODY FOUND)
===> Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Tempe AZ-San Antonio TX
===> Stacy Ann Peterson missing & Kathleen Savio murdered - Illinois
===> Zahra Clare Baker - 10yrs old Hickory, NC (Body Found)
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Natalee Holloway
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