Natalee Case Discussion #745 3/25 - 4/4/08

[MumInOhio]

Sorry...what I was referring to in my previous post is in blue!

Good Morning!

[MumInOhio]

Chapter 5...page 7

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1117.0

Is this the same band with the video that was discussed a little while back?
TIA

- Elaine he met during a concert of Intwine, he was on a boat on a catamaran during the show that was done on the water by the band. He noticed her during the show and he went over to her and they saw the rest of the show together. Freddy had taken a fancy to some other girl and had started talking to that girl. Elaine and Joran hit it off and went out for dinner and a movie. They went steady for a while.

[klaasend]

O/T

Mum - CBB had your original  Can you put it on or do you need my help?



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[Katherine]

Morning Monkeys! 
When I got up this a.m. I caught up reading here and then checked out the updates on other blogs.  This link was posted at RU from Topsider......it may have already been posted here, but I thought it was the perfect way to start the day!  (Short article and video)

http://www.tothepointnews.com/content/view/3114/85/

Have a good day everyone!

[MumInOhio]

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Mum - CBB had your original  Can you put it on or do you need my help?



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Thanks Klaas...I think I can do it...I just wasn't following your directions properly yesterday!

[Tamikosmom]

Freddy Arambatzis
Witness Statement
De Zaak Natalee Holloway
June 12, 2005

Monday afternoon on the 30th, Joran came to my house.

He told me that the previous day, Sunday, he had befriended a girl in the Holiday Inn casino and that she had invited him to come to Carlos and Charlies that evening. He went and they danced and drank together.

After that he, Deepak Satish and the girl drove off. Her friends saw that. The drove in the direction of the Lighthouse; a white car was behind them and most likely wanted to race Deepak. But that is something Deepak would never do. Joran told me that he fingered and had french kissed the girl while they were driving. He did not say that he had had sex with her.

They drove to the Lighthouse, she wanted to see sharks. But Deepak only drove up to the Lighthouse because his car is very low to the ground and cannot drive up to the North side of Aruba.

The girl had said to Joran that if Deepak and Satish would have lived in her town, they would be slaves.

After that they drove to the hotel. When the girl had pushed open the door of the car, she fell to the ground. Joran wanted to help her but she shoved him away.

The next day, Tuesday May 31st 2005 in the afternoon, I was with Joran at the raquetclub. Joran looked worried. He asked me if I could remember what he had said the previous day about the girl. I told him yes. The girl had gone missing. The FBI had been to his house during the night but he had not been home. His father had called him to find out where he was, Joran said that he was in the Raddison Casino. He told he that after that phone call he was called on the phone by Deepak and that Deepak picked him up a few minutes later. They drove to Joran's house. The FBI and the girls family were at his house. After that Joran told me that Deepak, Satish and himself did not drop off the girl at the Holiday Inn Hotel, but that THE FOUR OF THEM drove to the beach at the north side of the Marriot Hotel. The girl had fallen several times on the way to the beach. Joran told me that at some point she "no longer came around/no longer regained consciousness" and that THEY had left her on the beach. He also told me that he had left his gym/sporting shoes on the beach. After Joran had told me this, I asked him why he had left her there. He answered me that at that moment he had not known what to do. Joran told me that after this HE WAS DROPPED OFF AT HOME BY DEEPAK AND SATISH.Translation Credit: Rammstein[/i]


Joran van der Sloot
De Zaak Natalee Holloway
Page 160/161

After Freddy's second statement on June 13th at 18:30, in which he keeps insisting that I told him the first story already on May 30th, the police confront us as best friends with each other.  Some further statements follow after that.  In the end Freddy states in his 6th and 7th statements (verbatim reports) that I have told him that Natalee went unconscious several times and did not regain consciousness at a certain moment, that I tried to wake her up by shaking her but that but this also did not work.Unofficial Engish translation

Freddy would have had to talk to ALE before June 9th.2005 for this to have happened.  They were not going to arrest the Kalpoes on what Freddy told Joran, in the unseen 5/31 PV, or what he told Guido, who was questioned prior to June 9th.

   

Good Morning Monkeys

Janet
7:30 AM

[MumInOhio]

Good morning Tamikosmom...did I confuse you this morning?...sometimes I confuse myself! (And this morning is definately one of those days)

What I was trying to ask was...If Freddy was the reason that the Kalpoes were arrested, per Joran's book and that car tape, when did he do or say whatever he did or said?

It had to be before the early morning of June 9th. and we don't have anything to show that Freddy was questioned before June 12th.


So how could Freddy be the reason the Kalpoes were arrested?

[friend of monkeys]

If there weren't so many politicians involved, this would have been solved a long time ago.      My head still spins.     

[GBMW]

There are some new posts on the sites of Patrick van der Eem & Peter R. de Vries!

http://patrickvandereem.nl/

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/

[Tamikosmom]

Good morning Tamikosmom...did I confuse you this morning?...sometimes I confuse myself! (And this morning is definately one of those days)

What I was trying to ask was...If Freddy was the reason that the Kalpoes were arrested, per Joran's book and that car tape, when did he do or say whatever he did or said?

It had to be before the early morning of June 9th. and we don't have anything to show that Freddy was questioned before June 12th.


So how could Freddy be the reason the Kalpoes were arrested?

Mum ... I was always of the impression that Freddy was first interrogated on June 12th and ... then Paulus and Anita had him over to their home to find out what he said.

Janet

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Karin Janssen
'The Abrams Report'
June 29, 2005

JANSSEN: ... And secondly, the father and the mother have asked a friend of Joran, the suspect, the minor suspect, to come to their home to tell them what he has explained to the police. That is, well, I can say, was an obstruction of the investigation.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8416795/


Arlene Ellis-Schipper
'The Abrams Report'
June 30, 2005

ARLENE ELLIS-SCHIPPER, ARUBAN ATTORNEY: Well basically obstruction of justice is a criminal offense in our criminal code. However, there is an exoneration for family members in the first degree. So in the case of Mr. Van der Sloot it would not apply.

[Tamikosmom]

I sincerely hope when the the crew of the Persistence returns to check the remaining targets ... the search will be done independent of those who are accountable to Rudy Croes ... the Justice Minister.  If Aruban involvement is a requirement ... I hope that the chain of custody of any evidence will involve ... at least .... FBI observation and documentation.

Justice for Natalee Holloway is not the objective of the Aruban Justice System.

Janet

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Beth Twitty
FOX NEWS
LIVE DESK w/Martha MacCallum
November 28, 2006

BETH: Well I think they will always have to look at there were two personnel involved from the Aruban Justice Department and that is why we don’t have any evidence and that’s what Joran’s attorney will have to be reminded of. It’s because of Bob Witt and Ben King stopped the search warrants. It was made to initially search the entire area of Montanja 19 the garden, the buildings and everything but on the spot high ranking employee of the Justice Office Bob Witt reduced the search warrant to only the room of Joran so that’s why we don’t have any evidence because of involvement of the obstruction from the Aruban Justice Department personnel.

[Dihannah1]

There are some new posts on the sites of Patrick van der Eem & Peter R. de Vries!

http://patrickvandereem.nl/

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/

Thanks GBMW!  I'm having trouble finding the English versions of both. I thought I had them saved.....  help?

[Observer]

There are some new posts on the sites of Patrick van der Eem & Peter R. de Vries!

http://patrickvandereem.nl/

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/

Thanks GBMW!  I'm having trouble finding the English versions of both. I thought I had them saved.....  help?

Hi Dihannah..I don't see them in english,so all we can do is tranlate with google or another online translator.


   
Wednesday, March 26th, 2008
Panorama on warpath

Even my wife are not made on the dirt floor in pewters panorama that I am a lover or orgies in hotel rooms with temeiers and ordinary wijven (???). They know that it are a stupid gossip booklet are that since the photograph looks are flat sensation should sell. The editor or that paper are now seeking war with freeze because their Beth has refused an interview after she were informed or the journalistic sewer level there. Oh, he will probably property thought, ash my sheet then ate least all fatsoensnormen or journalism to boat mend, then the attack might be the best defense. Read the details complete www.peterrdevries.nl

[klaasend]

There are some new posts on the sites of Patrick van der Eem & Peter R. de Vries!

http://patrickvandereem.nl/

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/

Thanks GBMW!  I'm having trouble finding the English versions of both. I thought I had them saved.....  help?

For Peter try www.peterrdevries.com

Also, Google Translator works good enough to get the main idea of what is posted in Dutch.

[Observer]

Wednesday, March 26th, 2008

VICTIMS (online translator)

If ex-criminal pay attention me ate least say that I am a child ervaringsdeskundige the rights or victims or crime. Victims - as Natalee Holloway and the family - in the criminal justice virtually without rights. Among the intellectuals that most or the nieuwsaanbod care in our country, victims are usually hushed. Sometimes it seems hurry, or they themselves are guilty or a coincidence that they are in the path or their murderer, rapist or berover convicted. And lawyers for victims are or course a wonderful target to try to prevent the appalling act or their customer or a little humanity. That are a fixed part or their livelihood: black victims! The offender shines there. Just how soon after the disappearance or Natalee, rechterszoon Joran themselves on the shove came with the allegation that Natalee himself ash a horny girl behaved. Proudly he writes in his book how he came to the first meeting with the parents Aruba - while Natalee in the water were exactly cold - even father immediately took Holloway separately to explain that his daughter there liked or pulp. As if it is a crime that is a girl WHO just finished her examination, once the large flowers outside move.

After Joran known to me how he dumped her into the sea, the press were full or stories or intellectuals and lawyers WHO came to explain how prayed it are not what to Joran. Because the only victim that's always a destiny or support world turned in their, is the culprit. Illustrative for all or this were the column by the author framework Abdolah in the Volkskrant on the ' peter R. Vries-show '. Framework Abdolah showed a narrow... no, I must say limited thinker to be when it comes to victims and perpetrators & & debt penalty. In his whole story, the become ' victim ' is not a time for, pays attention alone the suffering that the Holloway's Joran them. "It felt not good"... "somewhere did it hurt"... "there were something inhuman"... "this are ugly and ethically forbidden". Those words or framework Abdolah fit all in the behaviour or Joran, not only for what he known, but also to hòe him about his act, Natalee, the police, judges and even his own father said. But the writer used them to our action to approve.

Kader Abdolah had so much compassion for Joran, which he himself get used up to all or its equal display without knowledge or the facts. According to him, there were things that happened not. "He has two months or a boy with booze and cocaine available to him to tallow to." Absolute nonsense. "He buys a friend or the boy." I am not bought and were not his friend, but a mole, because his enemies, the police and justice ' pitiful ' Joran his jaw tightly onto each other ash the most experienced and best instructed criminal.

For people WHO property no regard for victims are the hobbyhorse always that the perpetrator ' mentally ill ' and ' unstable '. Framework Abdolah ash the deeds or Joran tries to tallow. Too prayed for the victim! According to these people are the main action that it are never ' normal ' are a different thing if you terrible calls and therefore should not be "convicted" but helped.

But for those ' debt ground for exclusion ', as the lawyer gentlemen call it, you must really knettergek, simply do not know what you are doing. No sense or guilt. Such a total fool, yes, which should founded in a place or the cell. But a dear nursing for criminals or mentally unstable? Look, I say: what does an offender does not mentally with his victims? No, then I believe best a little retaliation. If I myself 15 years ago normal and stable? No! But the punishment or 11 months I property earned. That penalty were good. And it helped, because I decided that I never again in the shadow or a cell wild life. And how these tallow according hobbypsychiater Abdolah ' labile ' suspect Joran. Me pays attention give another example from my conversations with him, But I were just laughing eh, I property no coño said, Patrick! None coooñoo! I came there eh, okay, and my rights drawer drawer drawer, you do not property to answer. I property not even said "I appeal to my right to silence me." Agent that I property just looked right in his eyes, I property all the time leg no become from my mouth. "And when a judge spun him that he not talked to him the truth, spun this ' labile ' boy me how proud he responded: "I property nothing to declare when he (the judge)" I think that you know. I thought "this are bath". The only thing I said were: sorry ate all, I think it are very speculates that you ash a judge. To then along with his lawyer after enjoying how well he did not do.

But Kader Abdolah wonder how we a boy or 20 years so heavy pressure dare longer? Even if he are a perpetrator. "He argues that this" ugly and ethically forbidden, even if he are the real culprit.

This limited thinking just goes to show how outlawed victims. I will tell you something which are really surprising. In our world we rightly attach great importance to the rights or man. There's even a magnificent treaty that many countries in the western world property signed the Convention for the Protection or Human Rights and Fundamental Freedom. An ordinary citizen knows the importance or that treaty may not be good, but if ex-detainee, I know that it are so. That treaty are very important and powerful. And it sacrifices a great protection to fine suspects and prisoners. In fact, ash in our country justice or the lower court does something that are inconsistent with the rules in that treaty, the judge our own law should draw aside!

But you will not believe. In this whole convention the become ' victim ' but once are. And now, it's crazier people. That one time (Article 34) are not the victim or a crime, but it is actually referred to the suspect or offender, which are a violation or rules in that treaty victim or justice. It are dirty good that we property such a beautiful convention on the rights or man, for the rights or the accused, for the rights or the offender and detained. But it are no disgrace that our civilized society never really dares to work on the rights or the victim? Why do people like Kader Abdolah always that the civilized world are not, if we agree with its all US much more committed to the victim? When do agree that those rights treaty right, so that are good?! There are a destiny or work to be done to victims or crime better deal left for them to do, more often to them to score still than with how pathetic and annoying it are not everything for the perpetrators.

There are people WHO say that there are actually still nothing has leg resolved with this confession or Joran. That's only because they prefer to know every charge detail. Very happy to see a movie or everything that happened that night deliberate, because only then are the mystery for them completely solved. If course it are interesting to see the naadje or the more frosted to know WHO Joran really helped with the discharging or Natalee. If course it are strange if you never hear whether his father would ever be prosecuted for entering a phone call with - ash Joran cursed - far too little credit. But I can assure the parents or Natalee, after all this time to property listened to Joran, that the fate or their daughter what he are known to me. And that took their victims to this great uncertainty road and gave them the chance their lives back a little bit stable.

If Kader Abdolah his column ends with the words "pay attention US hope that Joran of of the ditch song about everything, and our help earlier than our hatred involved" than double meaning are that in false hope. False because it would be a shame if someone so numb to victims, to the police that he, in his own book, and then once again become to me, remains lie. False because the offender rather than the victim help need. It are true that hate are chignon, but keep in mind that a society that increasingly ignores the victim, false compassion and sow hatred harvest.

http://patrickvandereem.nl/

[klaasend]

From Peter R. di Vries site - through the google translator:

THE PRINCIPLES OF BETH HOLLOWAY

PANORAMA FOR EVERYBODY IS A WHORE ....

Before I wrote about the preparation of certain media in the affair of Joran van der Sloot and Natalee Holloway. In their attempt in the glow of this scoop to, or in their envy there prejudice to do, we fine journalistic exploits.

-- ANONYMOUS SOURCES WITHOUT WEDERHOOR --

The crown spande Panorama, in the week after the first broadcast slimy bedelde to an interview with me, but not when it took a supposedly revealing story about infiltrator Patrick van der Eem produced. This article does not even comply with the yet not insurmountable criteria of the roddelbladjournalistiek. Throughout the story, which was announced ronkend were only anonymous sources included: A former onderwereldfiguur'en 'zegslieden who wish to remain anonymous' were the only speakers in this lame story, where there is no rule came in for interviews. Then you usually already know enough. And those anonymous sources came under more with this type of statements:

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/

[JusticeforNatalee]

In case you missed this on the front page: Beth called Vicki.

Vicki's post: "Just to let you all know, BETH says thank you to all of us Monkeys….she appreciates all that we do…"

[MumInOhio]

Good morning Tamikosmom...did I confuse you this morning?...sometimes I confuse myself! (And this morning is definately one of those days)

What I was trying to ask was...If Freddy was the reason that the Kalpoes were arrested, per Joran's book and that car tape, when did he do or say whatever he did or said?

It had to be before the early morning of June 9th. and we don't have anything to show that Freddy was questioned before June 12th.


So how could Freddy be the reason the Kalpoes were arrested?

Mum ... I was always of the impression that Freddy was first interrogated on June 12th and ... then Paulus and Anita had him over to their home to find out what he said.

Janet

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Karin Janssen
'The Abrams Report'
June 29, 2005

JANSSEN: ... And secondly, the father and the mother have asked a friend of Joran, the suspect, the minor suspect, to come to their home to tell them what he has explained to the police. That is, well, I can say, was an obstruction of the investigation.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8416795/


Arlene Ellis-Schipper
'The Abrams Report'
June 30, 2005

ARLENE ELLIS-SCHIPPER, ARUBAN ATTORNEY: Well basically obstruction of justice is a criminal offense in our criminal code. However, there is an exoneration for family members in the first degree. So in the case of Mr. Van der Sloot it would not apply.

Tamikosmom..That is what we have documented. So then I don't see how Deepak can say it is because of Freddy that they are arrested on 6/9/2005.

[jackb]

But OB We still don't know who was at the Sloot's that night and We still don't know who all was involved the 20 other times that a tourist was taken to one of these parties..IMO they are covering for the Sloots to protect their own butts....JMO

Who else do you think was at the sloots with a bunch of punk kids? Why all this for a jr pimp party that went wrong? Has to be more to this then 6 or so pimps and a gay pimp.IMO

The statement given that:"I want them to get ("find") the girl, so, but preferably alive. But anyway, if they'll find her dead, yeh, then that's bad luck for the family. But when they find her, they'll know exactly who did it. That's what I all learned from (???). I want them to get her. I know" (???)  Has been my contention all along that he IDed himself by his handiwork.  His initials were on there, or they would have produced the body long ago. Some of the blowups I sent out to some who should have forwarded them to the right people should indicate this may be the case.  If I know it, then the feebees should know it.  There would be sneaker evidence as well on the body.  I feel that is the main reason for hiding the body.  There was something on there that would not wash off.
That boy is a pure T psychopath and his friends should come clean about what happened, but as someone mentioned above, they were paid well for keeping their mouths shut and probably had themselves and family threatened.  The only reason they are alive now is the fact that the case would point to those left who are not silenced.  Later on, there is no guarantee that they will not meet with unfortunate accidents, etc.  They have sold their peace and security, as their guarantees will get less as time goes on.  I am almost sure of it.  Those people have paid out the wazoo for their "party."  How much longer they intend to do this is anybody's guess.
I would not guess it to be two much longer, as it has been almost 3 years.
They know that "dead men tell no tales."  It is not only JVs being protected here, and they know he cannot keep his mouth shut.  He has probably NEVER had to do anything in his life except what he wanted and it is too late to expect him to do otherwise.  Jack blue
 

[Tamikosmom]

DEEPAK KALPOE: "JORAN IS A DISTURBED/SICK PERSON."

Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 16, 2005

I am not Joran who steals money from his parents. And I am of the opinion that, that this is not the issue at this moment. If you want to find out what happened to the girl and where she is, you have to be with Joran van der SLOOT Joran van der SLOOT is a disturbed/sick person, he has admitted that he is in the care of a psychologist and that he hits his brother. If the police wants more information about Natalee, then you have to be with Joran. He was the last person with the girl, that I can guarantee.