Natalee Case Discussion #745 3/25 - 4/4/08

[Bearlyhere]

I ask,

How can we let Aruba get away with a state sanctioned murder? how???????? how can we allow this to happen?

Why has the FBI remained silent? In my opinion - they are complicit. Not so much as a peep. Why? I don't buy they are working behind the scenes. They now what everyone knows. Joran and his Father are guilty but do nothing... and they piss me off!!!

confessions out the yeng yang and still nothing.

Have we as human beings been reduced to nothing more than carbon and collective molecules? I still think - therefore I still AM.

I guess the FBI only worries about prostitutes, bilking, pyramid schemes, political vendettas and the such. Forget about REAL Law Enforcement. Where is Art Wood's EXTRADITION?

I better step back from this machine. to quote San...

Why would the FBI remain silent and behind the scene after so flagrantly sending 10 FBI agents to Aruba in that first week following Natalees' disappearance?
The logical answer can only lead to the root of all evil.....money. Aruba must be meeting the needs of the USA on some level not disclosed. Maybe the US is using the oft referred to "washing machine"? IMO it goes above and beyond hotels and beaches.......is money being laundered to fund weapons sales?....i don't know...but i remember Oliver North.
One thing I do know is that Natalee has never appeared on the FBI's Missing Persons list as does Amy Bradley. Why? ...because they have known from the beginning that she was dead.

In following the story of Leta Lynn Cordes, the way I understand it is if the FBI gets involved and found something it could be struck down in court as interfering with an investigation or some such nonsense.  I am paraphrasing obviously because I just don't understand the craziness of it all, it's just another way to give the perps a free pass imo. 

JVDS will never be free another day in his life, unless he goes under extensive plastic surgery to look like Pam Anderson, he will always be a target.  He has chosen the hard way, imo.  Going to jail would be a cake walk compared to the rest of his life.  People are angry and are going to stay angry for a long time, longer than JVS walks this earth, imo.

[Buckeye]

Rob...you reminded me of a post I made in the Shango thread yesterday. Do you recall anything about this? The protected witness, I mean?...TIA

Reply #158 on: March 26, 2008, 08:42:52 AM » Quote 

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Find something new every time I read that book translation...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1097.0

P332

Also, an FBI "protected witness", an American called "Mr X", meets Deepak in July 2005 in the Internet café wehre Deepak works.

Deepak tells X: “I see what’s going on and I know much more. I’m certain that Natalee is no longer on the island.” He also says something that contradicts that: “When they find the duct-tape with Natalee’s hair on it, then I’ll go to jail", which is strange because they did find hair with duct tape but it wasn't Natalee's.
 
 

Mum

I don't remember seeing that, in the book.  I did save a post from an old amigoe.com/forum.  Now I wonder if the duct tape did have evidence that got put in a "hidey hole".   

Posted by Carlton June 20, 2005

Beste mensen,

Van betrouwbare bronnen heb ik begrepen dat er op die tape de volgende dingen te vinden waren:

3 blonde haren (volgens DNA van Holloway)
7 zwarte haren(sluik haar, 2 verschillende eigenaren, eogenaren onbekend)
2 blonde haren (onbekend)
6 spermacellen (vooralsnog onbekend)
restanten van wat "lichaamsvocht" zou zijn geweest (bevestigd Holloway)
1 fragment roest (waarschijnlijk van een anker)
1 stukje vis
1 onderlegger met de text: "Ca....s & .har...s"
wat zand

Op basis hiervan denkt de politie de verdwijning spoedig te kunnen oplossen.


Google translation:

Dear people,

From reliable sources, I understand that in this tape the following things to be found were:

3 blonde hair (according DNA of Holloway)
7 black hair (sluik hair, 2 different owners, eogenaren unknown)
2 blonde hair (unknown)
6 sperm (currently unknown)
Remnants of what "body fluid" would have been (confirmed Holloway)
1 fragment rust (probably an anchor)
1 piece of fish
1 onderlegger with the text: "Ca .... s &. Har ... s"
What sand

On this basis the police believe the disappearance soon to be resolved.

 

http://www.amigoe.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=002050;p=29

[Buckeye]

If anyone can help answer Caps question I would be much appreciative.

CapsLockWizard

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Who help the Texas EquuSearch team when in Aruba. Either with food or lodging or with something. who is this person or enterprise.

CAPS

Am I thinking housing at Brickle Bay???

[bleachedblack]

If anyone can help answer Caps question I would be much appreciative.

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CAPS

 The Tragic Untold Story of Natalee Holloway and Corruption in Paradise
page 157

     On September 19, 2005, I met with Taylor Northrop.  The Aruban government hired him mainly for damage control.  He was working with the Strategic Communications Task Force which was comprised of approximately thirteen members of the community, including government spokesperson Rueben Trappenburg, Rob Smith of the Aruba Hospitality & Security Foundation, and other business leaders.  Taylor thanked me for the press interview I had given denouncing the boycott and advised me that it made his job easier.  He said he was hoping that I would be working with everyone rather than promoting a boycott. I gave him some of the information that I had brought with me, and he was numbed by it.  It involved tips that I had received on my Web site.

      Taylor is from Fort Lauderdale, Florida, and he was the one who had told me of the prime minister"s attempt to have van der Stratten removed from Natalee's case.  Taylor also informed me that the reason Jossy Mansur had changed his position about having the FBI brought in was because the case had blown up in the press.

      Taylor went on to add that he was involved in the media decisions when Joran, Deepak and Satish were granted their freedom.  It was due to the members of the Strategic Communications Task Force that the media was invited and that their release had taken place during daylight hours to avoid suspicion.  I had to take that bit of information with a grain of salt.  The media may have been in Aruba for the suspects release, but I doubt that their contacts in the United States did not inform them that the number one story was Hurricane Katrina.

      Taylor asked if there was anything he could do to return the favor I did by speaking out against the boycott.  The following issue immediately came to mind.  Tim Miller from Texas Equusearch had contacted me regarding a proposed search of the landfill.  A previous attempt to search it had been made; however, there proper equipment was not available.  Tim offered to bring in his own equipment and team to Aruba to clear the area.  He indicated that the search would not disrupt the flow of refuse to the dump and that any displaced refuse would be returned to its original condition.  In other words, what they dug up would be reburied.  Also, he assured me that there would be no cost to Aruba for this effort.  Tim said he would need the necessary permits to unload a tractor-trailer and the digging equipment at the port in addition to a permit to enter the landfill and any other permits that would be necessary.

[Buckeye]

I DON"T THINK MOS DECIDES ANYTHING!!  I DON"T THINK THE CONTRACT WITH THE NETHERLANDS PERMITS THE "BORROWED" OMS TO WORK ON CRIMINAL MATTERS.

I think they can only work on laundering, etc.  I think Mos is a mouthpiece for the Aruban Prosecutor...could be caps' "D" man or Lugo.

I am reposting an earlier post.  Could martini or caesu verify my post??

I think I need caesu.  There is a pdf link at the bottom of the article I'm going to post (I can't figure out the direct pdf link).  Click on Job Cohen over...... I am quoting part of the translation from page 11 of the pdf.  It explains the OM job in Aruba.  I don't think Mos is in charge of anything.  I think only the Aruban OM is (?Lugo?). Did I get this correct??

The Dutch OM has aligned itself
No interference with criminal cases moving
Play to the overseas islands. That the
Dutchman Hans Mos in the broadcast
Peter R. De Vries statements made about Joran
Van der Sloot is verklaarbaar. The Chief
Works for the Aruban OM.
And it has been let for Aruban
Know that the research is a re -
Started.
   


http://juridischdagblad.nl/content/view/6388/53/


and GBMW

I was not criticizing you.  I have read and listened to everything (on many, many sites) for three years.  I don't believe the things I do because Natalee's family tells me to.  Their behavior doesn't concern me.  The disposal of an 18 year old does.  Had they been on the island, or suspect, I would look closer. I expect law enforcement to do their job no matter what politicians or families do. I also do not expect discrimination against a victim, her family or against an American, because they are American. I was trying to explain my feelings.  I wasn't questioning yours.  I know you're pretty new to the scene and are trying to "see" all sides.  I've looked at all sides, already....I am not a "blind" believer. You seem intelligent enough to get to your own conclusions. I appreciate your opinion and insight.

[CapsLockWizard]

I DON"T THINK MOS DECIDES ANYTHING!!  I DON"T THINK THE CONTRACT WITH THE NETHERLANDS PERMITS THE "BORROWED" OMS TO WORK ON CRIMINAL MATTERS.

I think they can only work on laundering, etc.  I think Mos is a mouthpiece for the Aruban Prosecutor...could be caps' "D" man or Lugo.

I am reposting an earlier post.  Could martini or caesu verify my post??

I think I need caesu.  There is a pdf link at the bottom of the article I'm going to post (I can't figure out the direct pdf link).  Click on Job Cohen over...... I am quoting part of the translation from page 11 of the pdf.  It explains the OM job in Aruba.  I don't think Mos is in charge of anything.  I think only the Aruban OM is (?Lugo?). Did I get this correct??

The Dutch OM has aligned itself
No interference with criminal cases moving
Play to the overseas islands. That the
Dutchman Hans Mos in the broadcast
Peter R. De Vries statements made about Joran
Van der Sloot is verklaarbaar. The Chief
Works for the Aruban OM.
And it has been let for Aruban
Know that the research is a re -
Started.
   


http://juridischdagblad.nl/content/view/6388/53/


and GBMW

I was not criticizing you.  I have read and listened to everything (on many, many sites) for three years.  I don't believe the things I do because Natalee's family tells me to.  Their behavior doesn't concern me.  The disposal of an 18 year old does.  Had they been on the island, or suspect, I would look closer. I expect law enforcement to do their job no matter what politicians or families do. I also do not expect discrimination against a victim, her family or against an American, because they are American. I was trying to explain my feelings.  I wasn't questioning yours.  I know you're pretty new to the scene and are trying to "see" all sides.  I've looked at all sides, already....I am not a "blind" believer. You seem intelligent enough to get to your own conclusions. I appreciate your opinion and insight.

Lugo only handles local cases. very strange, but Dirtyhand works organized crimes. and special cases and Government cases.

[Observer]

If anyone can help answer Caps question I would be much appreciative.

CapsLockWizard

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CAPS

Am I thinking housing at Brickle Bay???

I believe they did stay at Brickle Bay. Of course we all know that is owned by Michael Posner. I will never forget when they searched the Moko and Arubans and Foreign press were throwing rocks at them and yelling obsentities. I was  also pretty angry when Dan Riehl  blasted TES back in July/Aug 2005 claiming they were drunking idiots.

[CapsLockWizard]

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CapsLockWizard

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Am I thinking housing at Brickle Bay???

I believe they did stay at Brickle Bay. Of course we all know that is owned by Michael Posner. I will never forget when they searched the Moko and Arubans and Foreign press were throwing rocks at them and yelling obsentities.

Thanks 

Now I have the Arawaks Key

Many Thanks

[Buckeye]

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CAPS

Am I thinking housing at Brickle Bay???

RWV KeyWest (sandraK?):


Jossy's Bro. Luis Has a Casino in LaCabana . Sour Grapes!
and Jossy is anti**you know what**
Mike Posner gave TES over $100,ooo Room & board @ Brickell Bay.
I LIKE MIKE :^)

Posted by: Key West | Monday, November 21, 2005 at 06:22 PM

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/11/natalee_hollowa_61.
html

 

[Rob]

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Am I thinking housing at Brickle Bay???

I know they stayed at the Brickell. I saw them pulling a small SUV out of the lot and ran into a few of them at the Dunkin Donuts.

[Magnolia]

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Renfro did their laundry and is still complaining about it.

[bleachedblack]

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Am I thinking housing at Brickle Bay???

# The Brickell Bay Beach Club - Aruba
# John W. Fisk Co. Insurance
# Underwriters: Great American Insurance Co.
# Texas de Brazil
# The Wyndham - Aruba Resort, Spa and Casino
# Eduardo y Elaiza Roubicek
# S E Aruba Fly and Dive
# Red Sail Sports Aruba
# Aruban Search and Rescue

http://tinyurl.com/39fh7c

[Buckeye]

I DON"T THINK MOS DECIDES ANYTHING!!  I DON"T THINK THE CONTRACT WITH THE NETHERLANDS PERMITS THE "BORROWED" OMS TO WORK ON CRIMINAL MATTERS.

I think they can only work on laundering, etc.  I think Mos is a mouthpiece for the Aruban Prosecutor...could be caps' "D" man or Lugo.

I am reposting an earlier post.  Could martini or caesu verify my post??

I think I need caesu.  There is a pdf link at the bottom of the article I'm going to post (I can't figure out the direct pdf link).  Click on Job Cohen over...... I am quoting part of the translation from page 11 of the pdf.  It explains the OM job in Aruba.  I don't think Mos is in charge of anything.  I think only the Aruban OM is (?Lugo?). Did I get this correct??

The Dutch OM has aligned itself
No interference with criminal cases moving
Play to the overseas islands. That the
Dutchman Hans Mos in the broadcast
Peter R. De Vries statements made about Joran
Van der Sloot is verklaarbaar. The Chief
Works for the Aruban OM.
And it has been let for Aruban
Know that the research is a re -
Started.
   


http://juridischdagblad.nl/content/view/6388/53/


and GBMW

I was not criticizing you.  I have read and listened to everything (on many, many sites) for three years.  I don't believe the things I do because Natalee's family tells me to.  Their behavior doesn't concern me.  The disposal of an 18 year old does.  Had they been on the island, or suspect, I would look closer. I expect law enforcement to do their job no matter what politicians or families do. I also do not expect discrimination against a victim, her family or against an American, because they are American. I was trying to explain my feelings.  I wasn't questioning yours.  I know you're pretty new to the scene and are trying to "see" all sides.  I've looked at all sides, already....I am not a "blind" believer. You seem intelligent enough to get to your own conclusions. I appreciate your opinion and insight.

Lugo only handles local cases. very strange, but Dirtyhand works organized crimes. and special cases and Government cases.

So, is Natalee considered local??  Criminal??  My guess is her case has always been considered local and Aruban, they just haven't said that Mos is only a mouth piece.  I think the official guideline pdf explains the kingdom's relation ship to the Antilles and Aruba.  I don't think the "borrowed" prosecutors can legally "lead" a local criminal case....but I don't know for sure....

[sharon]

Guys, I have never seen the news coming this slow before or the forums posting this few pages. Is there anything going on or is this case actually closed?

My personal opinion is Mos has closed the case and he will do nothing more. Afterall, he has released all three as suspects.

Hi Spock!

I'm never 'real time' any more, so I always miss you online, and I've been wanting to respond to your thought provoking posts. I've been trying to figure out the silence 'options' as well.

If Mos closes the case he is, in effect, giving all the documents to Beth.  So, not sure.

In the past -- these disturbing silences were broken with big news. Not necessary good news. Just big. Maybe this time it will be big and nurturing for Natalee and her family.

The silence (from Aruba) could also be that everyone involved is realizing that everyone involved is a liar and corrupt with personal agendas for personal gain -- so no one trusts anyone and no one will speak with anyone 

The one thing I KNOW -- if they are once again sticking their heads in hiding places and hope that we do go away -- once again they will be proven wrong.


Boycott Aruba
Justice for Natalee

[Buckeye]

TES thank you list

http://www.texasequusearch.org/NataleeHollowaySupport.html

[Buckeye]

I DON"T THINK MOS DECIDES ANYTHING!!  I DON"T THINK THE CONTRACT WITH THE NETHERLANDS PERMITS THE "BORROWED" OMS TO WORK ON CRIMINAL MATTERS.

I think they can only work on laundering, etc.  I think Mos is a mouthpiece for the Aruban Prosecutor...could be caps' "D" man or Lugo.

I am reposting an earlier post.  Could martini or caesu verify my post??

I think I need caesu.  There is a pdf link at the bottom of the article I'm going to post (I can't figure out the direct pdf link).  Click on Job Cohen over...... I am quoting part of the translation from page 11 of the pdf.  It explains the OM job in Aruba.  I don't think Mos is in charge of anything.  I think only the Aruban OM is (?Lugo?). Did I get this correct??

The Dutch OM has aligned itself
No interference with criminal cases moving
Play to the overseas islands. That the
Dutchman Hans Mos in the broadcast
Peter R. De Vries statements made about Joran
Van der Sloot is verklaarbaar. The Chief
Works for the Aruban OM.
And it has been let for Aruban
Know that the research is a re -
Started.
   


http://juridischdagblad.nl/content/view/6388/53/


and GBMW

I was not criticizing you.  I have read and listened to everything (on many, many sites) for three years.  I don't believe the things I do because Natalee's family tells me to.  Their behavior doesn't concern me.  The disposal of an 18 year old does.  Had they been on the island, or suspect, I would look closer. I expect law enforcement to do their job no matter what politicians or families do. I also do not expect discrimination against a victim, her family or against an American, because they are American. I was trying to explain my feelings.  I wasn't questioning yours.  I know you're pretty new to the scene and are trying to "see" all sides.  I've looked at all sides, already....I am not a "blind" believer. You seem intelligent enough to get to your own conclusions. I appreciate your opinion and insight.

Lugo only handles local cases. very strange, but Dirtyhand works organized crimes. and special cases and Government cases.

So, is Natalee considered local??  Criminal??  My guess is her case has always been considered local and Aruban, they just haven't said that Mos is only a mouth piece.  I think the official guideline pdf explains the kingdom's relation ship to the Antilles and Aruba.  I don't think the "borrowed" prosecutors can legally "lead" a local criminal case....but I don't know for sure....

The Chief works for the Aruban OM.

[Tamikosmom]

Karin Janssen ....

Was the prosecutor an advocate for the victim or ... was her role to distance Paulus van der Sloot from implication in the Natalee Holloway case.  Her changing stories regarding Paulus' words of  assurance causes one to question.

Janet

+++++++++++

Karin Janssen
'The Abrams Report'
June 30, 2005

JANSSEN:  The father has spoken with those three suspects, and he said he give them some legal advice, but I think the advices were going further than that.  They spoke about the situation that when there is no body, you don‘t have a case.  And that was already in the first day after the disappearance.  

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8430777


Karin Janssen
Associated Press
July 1, 2006

“He confirmed to me that he told them that a few days after she disappeared,” Janssen told the AP.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8389319/


Karin Janssen
CNN - WORLD
July 5, 2005

According to Janssen, Van Der Sloot also spoke about the case with his son and the two other suspects "some days after" Holloway was last seen.

"They were speaking about the situation that if you don't have a body, there is no case," Janssen said.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/americas/07/03/aruba.missing/index.html

[Rob]

Janet she was sleeping with him.

[Tamikosmom]

Janet she was sleeping with him.

Link please.

 

Janet

[wreck]

Guys, I have never seen the news coming this slow before or the forums posting this few pages. Is there anything going on or is this case actually closed?

My personal opinion is Mos has closed the case and he will do nothing more. Afterall, he has released all three as suspects.

Hi Spock!

I'm never 'real time' any more, so I always miss you online, and I've been wanting to respond to your thought provoking posts. I've been trying to figure out the silence 'options' as well.

If Mos closes the case he is, in effect, giving all the documents to Beth.  So, not sure.

In the past -- these disturbing silences were broken with big news. Not necessary good news. Just big. Maybe this time it will be big and nurturing for Natalee and her family.

The silence (from Aruba) could also be that everyone involved is realizing that everyone involved is a liar and corrupt with personal agendas for personal gain -- so no one trusts anyone and no one will speak with anyone 

The one thing I KNOW -- if they are once again sticking their heads in hiding places and hope that we do go away -- once again they will be proven wrong.


Boycott Aruba
Justice for Natalee

I'm a little torn between thinking something MAJOR is brewing and/or Aruba has FINALLY wised up and realized that their "campaign" featuring Renfro/Purcell/Rob Smith et al is actually doing more harm than good. I think they are in the "don't comment" stage. MO