Natalee Case Discussion #745 3/25 - 4/4/08

[Tamikosmom]

Karma ... the Dave Holloway quote regarding picking up American girls the night before they are to leave Aruba for home came from his book ... Corruption in Paradise.  However ... I do not have a clue where to begin looking.  Maybe another Monkey knows where in the book that Dave discusses this issue and ... provide the page number.

Janet

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Aruba: The Tragic Untold Story of Natalee Holloway and Corruption in Paradise (Hardcover)

Editorial Reviews
From Publishers Weekly

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The closest Halloway comes to a complete theory, "Either ... local boys chase after unsuspecting girls, drug and rape them the night before they leave ... or there is a much larger conspiracy where girls are made to disappear at the whim of some higher-ups," is too broad and unsubstantiated to generate much suspense.

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http://www.amazon.com/Aruba-Natalee-Holloway-Corruption-Paradise/dp/1595550631

[Tamikosmom]

ALSO:  This is IMPORTANT.  I goofed, it was not Chemaly (interior minister) as I had Chemaly of the brain.  It was:

Interior Minister Johan Remkes was called upon by Rudy Croes to take over the Natalee Holloway investigation in August of last year. Official Remkes is the individual who recommended Paulus van der Sloot be appointed to the bench of the Joint Court.  Jackb

Aruba requesting Internal Affairs Minister Johan Remkes assistance  is another conflict of interest in the Natalee Holloway case.

On January 1, 2003 ... Johan Remkes endorsed the the appointment of Paulus van der Sloot to "deputy member of the common Court of Justice of the Netherlands antilles and Aruba".

I have a related link saved somewhere in my desktop files but ... I do not have a clue where and .. too lazy to search right now.

 

Janet

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ASSOCIATED PRESS

August 26, 2006
Aruba wants Dutch police to take over Natalee case

ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) — Aruban authorities want Dutch police to take over the investigation of the disappearance of American teenager Natalee Holloway, who vanished on the Caribbean island more than one year ago, a local newspaper reported Friday.  Aruba's Justice Minister Rudy Croes sent a letter last week to Netherlands' Internal Affairs Minister Johan Remkes and to another Dutch official asking the Dutch police to handle the case, saying little progress had been made, the Solo di Pueblo newspaper reported.

If Dutch police take over the investigation, they will have access to all case files and their own office, according to the newspaper, which didn't cite its source. Remkes will visit the Dutch Caribbean islands, including Aruba, next week, authorities said in the Netherlands.

Telephone calls placed to Croes' office for comment Friday went unanswered.

Holloway vanished on May 30, 2005, the last night of a high school graduation trip to Aruba. Then 18, the native of Mountain Brook was last seen leaving a bar with three young men.

Authorities have arrested eight people in connection with her disappearance and then released them for lack of evidence.

Copyright 2005 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,210525,00.html
 
http://www.decaturdaily.com/decaturdaily/news/060826/aruba.shtml

[Tamikosmom]

Good Night Debbie, hotping, GabbyG, San, klaasend, AZSunny, private eye, caesu and 6 Guests "who" are viewing this topic.

Good Night All.

Dinner and a mini scrabble tournament (4 couples/2 boards) is where it is at tonight at the home of friends.  My contribution ... Safeway's bakery Carrot Cake.  I get rid of the box ... place it on my mother's beautiful plate with a doily under it and ... everybody is impressed but ... not fooled.

 

Janet
6:45 PM

[hotping]

Good Night Janet!

[texasmom]

Karma ... the Dave Holloway quote regarding picking up American girls the night before they are to leave Aruba for home came from his book ... Corruption in Paradise.  However ... I do not have a clue where to begin looking.  Maybe another Monkey knows where in the book that Dave discusses this issue and ... provide the page number.

Janet

+++++++++++

Aruba: The Tragic Untold Story of Natalee Holloway and Corruption in Paradise (Hardcover)

Editorial Reviews
From Publishers Weekly

<snipped>

The closest Halloway comes to a complete theory, "Either ... local boys chase after unsuspecting girls, drug and rape them the night before they leave ... or there is a much larger conspiracy where girls are made to disappear at the whim of some higher-ups," is too broad and unsubstantiated to generate much suspense.

<snipped>

http://www.amazon.com/Aruba-Natalee-Holloway-Corruption-Paradise/dp/1595550631

I found it Janet!  Page 117 

[texasmom]

Goodnight Janet, and thank you for all of your informative posts!

[jackb]

Goodnight Janet, and thank you for all of your informative posts!

Good nite to both.  Really, but I wanted to add, since this does not take up much space and I quoted in it. 

Could it be:  That since Remkeys (min. of the interior in Aruba) has the name REMKEYS.  He is Dirtyhand, the KEY.  There are many dirtyhands. Remkeys.
Someone may be trying to say something.  Afterall he did recommend PVs for that job.  I have seen stranger stuff.  Not so far out.   Jack Blue

[jackb]

Goodnight Janet, and thank you for all of your informative posts!

Good nite to both.  Really, but I wanted to add, since this does not take up much space and I quoted in it. 

Could it be:  That since Remkeys (min. of the interior in Aruba) has the name REMKEYS.  He is Dirtyhand, the KEY.  There are many dirtyhands. Remkeys.
Someone may be trying to say something.  Afterall he did recommend PVs for that job.  I have seen stranger stuff.  Not so far out.   Jack Blue

I know, the spelling is supposed to be Remkes....close to key, anyway.  jackb

[hotping]

Goodnight Janet, and thank you for all of your informative posts!

Good nite to both.  Really, but I wanted to add, since this does not take up much space and I quoted in it. 

Could it be:  That since Remkeys (min. of the interior in Aruba) has the name REMKEYS.  He is Dirtyhand, the KEY.  There are many dirtyhands. Remkeys.
Someone may be trying to say something.  Afterall he did recommend PVs for that job.  I have seen stranger stuff.  Not so far out.   Jack Blue

Jack Can I copy this post of Yours to the S/S thread.....It is an interesting concept IMO....

[klaasend]

Nevermind - was an April Fools joke on the Aruba BB 

[Icehawk]

Hi everyone,



Is there any sign of Joran ?

[klaasend]

Hi everyone,



Is there any sign of Joran ?

Nope

[Bearlyhere]

I do not believe that Natalee was necessarily targeted by Joran prior to the encounter at Carlos 'N Charlies but ... I suspect that a premeditated plan implied that a pretty Mountain Brook student whose mini vacation had come to an end and ... was leaving for home the next morning ... would become a victim of the pimp gang.

Joran claimed on the Greta interview and in his declaration that his decision to go to Carlos 'N Charlies was a result of the urgings of the Mountain Brook girls he had earlier at the Black Jack table at the Excelsior hotel following the Poker tournament.

However ... Jaime Carrasquilia declares that Joran had contacted him prior to the Poker Tournament ... inviting him to go to Carlos 'N Charlies later and ... meet up with some girls.

Janet

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Jaime Alberto Carrasquilia
Witness Statement
June17, 2005
 
On May 29th 2005, between the hours of 16.00 and 19.00 (4 and 7 PM), I was called by Joran on my mobile phone with the phone number .

Joran had asked me whether I wanted to go out with him that night. He told me that a few American girls would go to "Carlos & Charlies" and whether I wanted to meet up with him there.


Joran van der Sloot
On the Record w/ Greta
March 1, 2005

VAN DER SLOOT: Interested? No, not really. I was more talking — the girl that was sitting next to me, I was — I thought she was pretty and I was talking to her. And when I went — what the point was for going to Carlos 'n Charlie's was I wanted to actually meet up with her.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,186581,00.html 

 
Joran van der Sloot
On the Record w/ Greta
March 1, 2005

VAN DER SLOOT: And I remember afterwards going into — right behind that casino is a little bar, and I remember watching — walking in there. And there was a baseball game on TV, and again, the group of girls was sitting there. And they said, Oh, yes, don't forget to come out tonight. And I told them that on Sunday, it wasn't a good night to go out. It wasn't fun. It wasn't — and — but they said, You know, if you want to come, come. And I ended up deciding that, yes, I might as well go and have fun.
 
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,186581,00.html


Joran van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 9, 2005

The girlfriends of the girl asked me if I was going to "Carlos & Charlies" that night. I told them that I couldn't do that because I had school tomorrow. The girls kept insisting that I should meet them at "Carlos & Charlies" because it was their last night on Aruba. After they kept insisting I agreed to meet with at "Carlos & Charlies".


Jossy Mansur
'Scarborough Country'
August 26, 2005

DANIELS:  It definitely smells that way.  You know, if you take the prosecution‘s statement at its face, we are talking on a whole new level, the charges here.  We are talking about drugs.  We are talking about rape and we are talking about rape of many different people.  There are four guys now in custody, four best friends.  What does that tell you?
 
MANSUR:  Well, what it tells me is that, really, these four guys are friends.  They belong to the same group, these party boys that go out and prey on young, unsuspected girls or other kinds of girls also that are out to have a good time, not suspecting what they‘re in for with these predators around.

And they are—they not only appear in photographs together, but I understand that Freddy lives very near to the Joran house.  So, there is a bond between them.  There is a group that they call themselves the pimps, in which all of these participate.

Thank you Janet,for all the info you share here.I think the quotes from Mos(?)about Deepak stating what they(the boys aka the pimps of aruba)like to do to American girls on their last night of their vacations.This was in the same article as the one where Deepak supposedly is yapping about a drowned tennis teacher.
I wonder exactly how many mondays joran missed of school.

Hi Karma,

Don't worry about Joran missing school.  They still have naptime at his school.  The sporter gets so tired from all his sporting events that he needs to take a nap now and then.

[Bearlyhere]

I keep coming back to something in my head, and I know that many times this is a dangerous thing for me to do, but.....  I keep remembering the comment made to Joran about getting 15 years if they find the chit on her.  I am wondering is they could have used a taser on her to keep her under control.  It would definitely leave some nasty marks.  I know this sounds awful, but these guys were sickos.

I think they meant bruises.  But that's just my opinion.

Good thoughts San and SS.  I thought they meant drugs.

[jackb]

ALSO:  This is IMPORTANT.  I goofed, it was not Chemaly (interior minister) as I had Chemaly of the brain.  It was:

Interior Minister Johan Remkes was called upon by Rudy Croes to take over the Natalee Holloway investigation in August of last year. Official Remkes is the individual who recommended Paulus van der Sloot be appointed to the bench of the Joint Court.  Jackb

Aruba requesting Internal Affairs Minister Johan Remkes assistance  is another conflict of interest in the Natalee Holloway case.

On January 1, 2003 ... Johan Remkes endorsed the the appointment of Paulus van der Sloot to "deputy member of the common Court of Justice of the Netherlands antilles and Aruba".

I have a related link saved somewhere in my desktop files but ... I do not have a clue where and .. too lazy to search right now.

 

Janet

++++++++++++++

ASSOCIATED PRESS

August 26, 2006
Aruba wants Dutch police to take over Natalee case

ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) — Aruban authorities want Dutch police to take over the investigation of the disappearance of American teenager Natalee Holloway, who vanished on the Caribbean island more than one year ago, a local newspaper reported Friday.  Aruba's Justice Minister Rudy Croes sent a letter last week to Netherlands' Internal Affairs Minister Johan Remkes and to another Dutch official asking the Dutch police to handle the case, saying little progress had been made, the Solo di Pueblo newspaper reported.

If Dutch police take over the investigation, they will have access to all case files and their own office, according to the newspaper, which didn't cite its source. Remkes will visit the Dutch Caribbean islands, including Aruba, next week, authorities said in the Netherlands.

Telephone calls placed to Croes' office for comment Friday went unanswered.

Holloway vanished on May 30, 2005, the last night of a high school graduation trip to Aruba. Then 18, the native of Mountain Brook was last seen leaving a bar with three young men.

Authorities have arrested eight people in connection with her disappearance and then released them for lack of evidence.

Copyright 2005 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,210525,00.html
 
http://www.decaturdaily.com/decaturdaily/news/060826/aruba.shtml

Dutch interior minister under fire for behavior in tsunami-hit Thailand.

From:
    Xinhua News Agency
Date:
    January 4, 2005
More results for:
    Johan Remkes | Copyright information COPYRIGHT 2005 COMTEX News Network, Inc. This material is published under license from the publisher through the Gale Group, Farmington Hills, Michigan.  All inquiries regarding rights should be directed to the Gale Group.

BRUSSELS, Jan 4, 2005 (Xinhua via COMTEX)

The Dutch parliament has criticized Interior Minister Johan Remkes for his behavior while on vacation in Thailand, Radio Netherlands reported on Tuesday.

The Socialist Party of the Netherlands said the minister's behavior was "scandalous" while the Christian Democrats reproached Remkes for his lack of empathy.

Although Remkes has been in Thailand since Dec. 26, 2004 when the tsunami occurred, he has yet to visit the victims of the disaster, according to the radio.

The minister has since announced he ... (that is all I got without signing up and I didn't want to, j/b)


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 Playboy Johan Remkes heeft huizen in Brazilië en Thailand (op het ... en ook naar thailand misschien bij remkes als hulpje huis ... Remkes heeft geen huis ...
www.geenstijl.nl/mt/archieven/003211.html - 89k - Cached

So, Johan likes Thailand.  (Wonder if there is a Marten Van den berg connection?) Jackb

[jackb]

Goodnight Janet, and thank you for all of your informative posts!

Good nite to both.  Really, but I wanted to add, since this does not take up much space and I quoted in it. 

Could it be:  That since Remkeys (min. of the interior in Aruba) has the name REMKEYS.  He is Dirtyhand, the KEY.  There are many dirtyhands. Remkeys.
Someone may be trying to say something.  Afterall he did recommend PVs for that job.  I have seen stranger stuff.  Not so far out.   Jack Blue

Jack Can I copy this post of Yours to the S/S thread.....It is an interesting concept IMO....

Anytime.  Glad I could help.

[jackb]

Goodnight Janet, and thank you for all of your informative posts!

Good nite to both.  Really, but I wanted to add, since this does not take up much space and I quoted in it. 

Could it be:  That since Remkeys (min. of the interior in Aruba) has the name REMKEYS.  He is Dirtyhand, the KEY.  There are many dirtyhands. Remkeys.
Someone may be trying to say something.  Afterall he did recommend PVs for that job.  I have seen stranger stuff.  Not so far out.   Jack Blue

Jack Can I copy this post of Yours to the S/S thread.....It is an interesting concept IMO....

Anytime.  Glad I could help.

Also realize that the name is spelled Remkes......close, possible. 
This is interesting:

Dutch interior minister under fire for behavior in tsunami-hit Thailand.

From:
    Xinhua News Agency
Date:
    January 4, 2005
More results for:
    Johan Remkes | Copyright information COPYRIGHT 2005 COMTEX News Network, Inc. This material is published under license from the publisher through the Gale Group, Farmington Hills, Michigan.  All inquiries regarding rights should be directed to the Gale Group.

BRUSSELS, Jan 4, 2005 (Xinhua via COMTEX)

The Dutch parliament has criticized Interior Minister Johan Remkes for his behavior while on vacation in Thailand, Radio Netherlands reported on Tuesday.

The Socialist Party of the Netherlands said the minister's behavior was "scandalous" while the Christian Democrats reproached Remkes for his lack of empathy.

Although Remkes has been in Thailand since Dec. 26, 2004 when the tsunami occurred, he has yet to visit the victims of the disaster, according to the radio.

The minister has since announced he ... (that is all I got without signing up and I didn't want to, j/b)


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 Playboy Johan Remkes heeft huizen in Brazilië en Thailand (op het ... en ook naar thailand misschien bij remkes als hulpje huis ... Remkes heeft geen huis ...
www.geenstijl.nl/mt/archieven/003211.html - 89k - Cached

So, Johan likes Thailand.  (Wonder if there is a Marten Van den berg connection?) Jackb

[Bearlyhere]

I keep coming back to something in my head, and I know that many times this is a dangerous thing for me to do, but.....  I keep remembering the comment made to Joran about getting 15 years if they find the chit on her.  I am wondering is they could have used a taser on her to keep her under control.  It would definitely leave some nasty marks.  I know this sounds awful, but these guys were sickos.

I think they meant bruises.  But that's just my opinion.

Good thoughts San and SS.  I thought they meant drugs.

I forgot to add:

and DNA evidence of the rapes.

[caesu]

Goodnight Janet, and thank you for all of your informative posts!

Good nite to both.  Really, but I wanted to add, since this does not take up much space and I quoted in it. 

Could it be:  That since Remkeys (min. of the interior in Aruba) has the name REMKEYS.  He is Dirtyhand, the KEY.  There are many dirtyhands. Remkeys.
Someone may be trying to say something.  Afterall he did recommend PVs for that job.  I have seen stranger stuff.  Not so far out.   Jack Blue

Jack Can I copy this post of Yours to the S/S thread.....It is an interesting concept IMO....

Anytime.  Glad I could help.

Johan Remkes was minister of the interior of the netherlands, not of aruba.
now he is not minister anymore, the minister of the interior right now is Guusje ter Horst.

[caesu]

in the dutch news:

Dutch MPs debate Wilders

Published: Tuesday 01 April 2008 20:35 UTC
Last updated: Tuesday 01 April 2008 20:46 UTC
The Hague - The populist Dutch MP Geert Wilders came under fire on Tuesday during a debate in the Dutch parliament.

A majority of MPs say that Mr Wilders generalises in a negative manner about Muslims and does not offer solutions to existing problems. MPs called him a "troublemaker", "political arsonist" and a proponent of discrimination.

Although the debate was supposed to deal with the Dutch cabinet's reaction to the film, it turned into a discussion between Mr Wilders and most of the rest of parliament. Mr Wilders again said that he considered the Qur'an a dangerous ook and the Islamic ideology a danger to freedom.

http://www.radionetherlands.nl/news/international/5713619/Dutch-MPs-debate-Wilders
http://www.nisnews.nl/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitna_%28film%29#In_the_Netherlands_2

http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSL20497206
CHRONOLOGY-Turbulence in Dutch politics over Islam

this could turn out in big scandal.

for months the government has said it didn't know the contents of the anti-quran film.
but it did warn of a crisis and terror-attacks if Wilder would release the film.

and yesterday suddenly the government brought up a report of a oktober 2007 conversation the counter-terror service had with Wilders about the contents of the film.

Wilders denied giving the counter-terror service and minister of justice information about the film beforehand.

minister of justice Hirsch Ballin and Wilders called eachother liars in parliament on live tv.

maybe secret service has informants within the state provided body guards of Wilders or is tapping his phones/e-mail.


i am putting this out here because Wilders is leader of the PVV, the same party Hero Brinkman (corrupt gangsters nest) belongs to.
Hirsch Ballin is Rudy Croes' dutch counterpart as minister of justice.
those two guys and Hendrik Croes had a lot of business with eachother going back to IRT-affair.