Natalee Case Discussion #745 3/25 - 4/4/08

[jackb]

Goodnight Janet, and thank you for all of your informative posts!

Good nite to both.  Really, but I wanted to add, since this does not take up much space and I quoted in it. 

Could it be:  That since Remkeys (min. of the interior in Aruba) has the name REMKEYS.  He is Dirtyhand, the KEY.  There are many dirtyhands. Remkeys.
Someone may be trying to say something.  Afterall he did recommend PVs for that job.  I have seen stranger stuff.  Not so far out.   Jack Blue

Jack Can I copy this post of Yours to the S/S thread.....It is an interesting concept IMO....

Anytime.  Glad I could help.

Johan Remkes was minister of the interior of the netherlands, not of aruba.
now he is not minister anymore, the minister of the interior right now is Guusje ter Horst.

  He was (if not now) Minister of the Interior over the interior of Aruba and other Antilles, based in the NL and visited every so often.  He was over the Aruban LE in that he had the power to send in or recommend to be sent in Dutch Police.  He was over more than that, but the point I am getting at HE WAS, if not now, Minister of the Interior during the Holloway case which first began in May 0f 05.  Oduber later was requested to Remkes (I believe in Aug of 06) the Dutch Police to come in and investigate.   Jack

[jackb]

Goodnight Janet, and thank you for all of your informative posts!

Good nite to both.  Really, but I wanted to add, since this does not take up much space and I quoted in it. 

Could it be:  That since Remkeys (min. of the interior in Aruba) has the name REMKEYS.  He is Dirtyhand, the KEY.  There are many dirtyhands. Remkeys.
Someone may be trying to say something.  Afterall he did recommend PVs for that job.  I have seen stranger stuff.  Not so far out.   Jack Blue

Jack Can I copy this post of Yours to the S/S thread.....It is an interesting concept IMO....

Anytime.  Glad I could help.

Johan Remkes was minister of the interior of the netherlands, not of aruba.
now he is not minister anymore, the minister of the interior right now is Guusje ter Horst.

  He was (if not now) Minister of the Interior over the interior of Aruba and other Antilles, based in the NL and visited every so often.  He was over the Aruban LE in that he had the power to send in or recommend to be sent in Dutch Police.  He was over more than that, but the point I am getting at HE WAS, if not now, Minister of the Interior during the Holloway case which first began in May 0f 05.  Oduber later was requested to Remkes (I believe in Aug of 06) the Dutch Police to come in and investigate.   Jack

FYI:

Since 1989 the following politicians have been minister of Home Affairs and Kingdom Relations

    * 2007-now Guusje ter Horst (PvdA)
          o 2007-now Ank Bijleveld-Schouten (CDA)
    * 2003-2007 Johan Remkes (VVD)
    * 2006-2007 Atzo Nicolai (VVD; minister without portfolio for government reform and kingdom relations)
    * 2005-2006 Alexander Pechtold (D'66; minister without portfolio for government reform and kingdom relations)
    * 2003-2005 Thom de Graaf (D'66; minister without portfolio for government reform and kingdom relations)
    * 2002-2003 Johan Remkes (VVD)
          o 2002-2003 Rob Hessing (LPF; state secretary)
    * 2000-2002 Klaas de Vries (PvdA)
    * 1998-2000 Bram Peper (PvdA)
    * 1998-2002 Roger van Boxtel (PvdA; minister without porfolio for large cities and integration)
          o 1998-2002 Gijs de Vries (VVD; state secretary)
    * 1994-1998 Hans Dijkstal (VVD)
          o 1994-1998 Jacob Kohnstamm (D66; state secretary)
          o 1994-1998 Tonny van de Vondervoort (PvdA; state secretary)
    * 1994 Ed van Thijn (PvdA)
    * 1989-1994 Ien Dales (PvdA)
          o 1989-1994 Dieuwke de Graaff-Nauta (CDA; state secretary)

[caesu]

Goodnight Janet, and thank you for all of your informative posts!

Good nite to both.  Really, but I wanted to add, since this does not take up much space and I quoted in it. 

Could it be:  That since Remkeys (min. of the interior in Aruba) has the name REMKEYS.  He is Dirtyhand, the KEY.  There are many dirtyhands. Remkeys.
Someone may be trying to say something.  Afterall he did recommend PVs for that job.  I have seen stranger stuff.  Not so far out.   Jack Blue

Jack Can I copy this post of Yours to the S/S thread.....It is an interesting concept IMO....

Anytime.  Glad I could help.

Johan Remkes was minister of the interior of the netherlands, not of aruba.
now he is not minister anymore, the minister of the interior right now is Guusje ter Horst.

  He was (if not now) Minister of the Interior over the interior of Aruba and other Antilles, based in the NL and visited every so often.  He was over the Aruban LE in that he had the power to send in or recommend to be sent in Dutch Police.  He was over more than that, but the point I am getting at HE WAS, if not now, Minister of the Interior during the Holloway case which first began in May 0f 05.  Oduber later was requested to Remkes (I believe in Aug of 06) the Dutch Police to come in and investigate.   Jack

yes, as dutch minister of home affairs he also heads the KLPD, the dutch national police.
and Oduber asked the help of the KLPD for the search/investigation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BZK
but he was never a aruban minister, never part of the aruban cabinet.

in the same ministry there is also kingdom relations.
in the current cabinet the kingdom relations gets delegated to a state secretary (Ank Bijleveld).

[mojo]

close enough -- it actually says: good day monkeys, this is caps lock wizard, my eyes are exhausted, i will rest my brain now after i finish this cup of tea.

Yes, you may need to rest your brain, as it seems to have a crack in it. 
LOL  Jackb
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[KarmaRoundUp]

Thank you Janet,for all the info you share here.I think the quotes from Mos(?)about Deepak stating what they(the boys aka the pimps of aruba)like to do to American girls on their last night of their vacations.This was in the same article as the one where Deepak supposedly is yapping about a drowned tennis teacher.
I wonder exactly how many mondays joran missed of school.

Sorry,just got up from a nap and I worded that all weird.I meant to say I think the bolded part above should be added to your info post.

Hi Karma.

Is this the article you are referring to.  I cannot find anything that implies a pattern of picking up American girls the night prior to them leaving Aruba for home.

However ... I know there is quote of Dave Holloway's floating around when he speculates that that there is a pattern.

Janet

+++++++++


Aruban defense attorneys dispute alleged evidence in Holloway case
The Associated Press Published: December 21, 2007

ORANJESTAD, Aruba: A suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway never mentioned her death in an online chat, his lawyer said Friday, contradicting Aruban prosecutors who called the comment key new evidence in the case.

The chat log fell far short of justifying the arrest of Deepak Kalpoe, one of three men seen with the American teen the night of her disappearance, said attorney Ronald Wix.

A court in the Dutch Caribbean island agreed and quickly released Kalpoe, along with brother Satish and a third suspect, Joran van der Sloot. Now, authorities should leave the three men alone, Wix told reporters.

"If they as much as look at our clients too long, we'll take them to court," said Wix, who also represents Satish Kalpoe.

The three suspects were seen leaving a bar with Holloway on the final night of her high school graduation trip to the island.

Aruban prosecutors detailed the chat log for the first time Thursday, saying it was a key clue that they hoped would break open the long-stalled investigation. The men did not speak with investigators while detained and a judge ordered their release for lack of evidence.

Upon their release, authorities said they had reached a dead end after two years of pursuing fruitless searches and leads, though they could still prosecute the men if they uncover evidence.

In discussing the online chat, prosecutor Hans Mos told reporters that one of the suspects — he did not disclose which — wrote that Holloway, 18 at the time of disappearance, was dead. He also said Internet messages among two suspects discussed meeting drunk American girls in Aruba.

Wix said the prosecution misinterpreted Deepak Kalpoe's Internet chats.

The 24-year-old native of Suriname in fact told a friend he was upset and thought it was stupid of him to let Holloway, whom he called a drunk stranger, get into his car, the attorney said.

Kalpoe then commented on the death of a tennis teacher who drowned in Aruba almost three years ago. When prosecutors translated his writing from Papiamento to Dutch, they substituted 'the death' to 'her death,' and assumed he was talking about Holloway, Wix said. Most Arubans speak Papiamento, a Creole language that has absorbed words from Spanish, Dutch, English and Portuguese.

Mos was on vacation Friday and could not be reached for a response. Another prosecutor, Dop Kruimel, did not immediately return phone calls seeking comment.

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/12/21/news/CB-GEN-Aruba-Missing-Teen.php

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Thanks Janet
I thought I read that in another article but I'm also reading Dave's book so I may have gotten that qoute confused.

[KarmaRoundUp]

Karma ... the Dave Holloway quote regarding picking up American girls the night before they are to leave Aruba for home came from his book ... Corruption in Paradise.  However ... I do not have a clue where to begin looking.  Maybe another Monkey knows where in the book that Dave discusses this issue and ... provide the page number.

Janet

+++++++++++

Aruba: The Tragic Untold Story of Natalee Holloway and Corruption in Paradise (Hardcover)

Editorial Reviews
From Publishers Weekly

<snipped>

The closest Halloway comes to a complete theory, "Either ... local boys chase after unsuspecting girls, drug and rape them the night before they leave ... or there is a much larger conspiracy where girls are made to disappear at the whim of some higher-ups," is too broad and unsubstantiated to generate much suspense.

<snipped>

http://www.amazon.com/Aruba-Natalee-Holloway-Corruption-Paradise/dp/1595550631

I'll look in the book after work today but I really think I read that online,thanks sweety.

[KarmaRoundUp]

I do not believe that Natalee was necessarily targeted by Joran prior to the encounter at Carlos 'N Charlies but ... I suspect that a premeditated plan implied that a pretty Mountain Brook student whose mini vacation had come to an end and ... was leaving for home the next morning ... would become a victim of the pimp gang.

Joran claimed on the Greta interview and in his declaration that his decision to go to Carlos 'N Charlies was a result of the urgings of the Mountain Brook girls he had earlier at the Black Jack table at the Excelsior hotel following the Poker tournament.

However ... Jaime Carrasquilia declares that Joran had contacted him prior to the Poker Tournament ... inviting him to go to Carlos 'N Charlies later and ... meet up with some girls.

Janet

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Jaime Alberto Carrasquilia
Witness Statement
June17, 2005
 
On May 29th 2005, between the hours of 16.00 and 19.00 (4 and 7 PM), I was called by Joran on my mobile phone with the phone number .

Joran had asked me whether I wanted to go out with him that night. He told me that a few American girls would go to "Carlos & Charlies" and whether I wanted to meet up with him there.


Joran van der Sloot
On the Record w/ Greta
March 1, 2005

VAN DER SLOOT: Interested? No, not really. I was more talking — the girl that was sitting next to me, I was — I thought she was pretty and I was talking to her. And when I went — what the point was for going to Carlos 'n Charlie's was I wanted to actually meet up with her.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,186581,00.html 

 
Joran van der Sloot
On the Record w/ Greta
March 1, 2005

VAN DER SLOOT: And I remember afterwards going into — right behind that casino is a little bar, and I remember watching — walking in there. And there was a baseball game on TV, and again, the group of girls was sitting there. And they said, Oh, yes, don't forget to come out tonight. And I told them that on Sunday, it wasn't a good night to go out. It wasn't fun. It wasn't — and — but they said, You know, if you want to come, come. And I ended up deciding that, yes, I might as well go and have fun.
 
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,186581,00.html


Joran van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 9, 2005

The girlfriends of the girl asked me if I was going to "Carlos & Charlies" that night. I told them that I couldn't do that because I had school tomorrow. The girls kept insisting that I should meet them at "Carlos & Charlies" because it was their last night on Aruba. After they kept insisting I agreed to meet with at "Carlos & Charlies".


Jossy Mansur
'Scarborough Country'
August 26, 2005

DANIELS:  It definitely smells that way.  You know, if you take the prosecution‘s statement at its face, we are talking on a whole new level, the charges here.  We are talking about drugs.  We are talking about rape and we are talking about rape of many different people.  There are four guys now in custody, four best friends.  What does that tell you?
 
MANSUR:  Well, what it tells me is that, really, these four guys are friends.  They belong to the same group, these party boys that go out and prey on young, unsuspected girls or other kinds of girls also that are out to have a good time, not suspecting what they‘re in for with these predators around.

And they are—they not only appear in photographs together, but I understand that Freddy lives very near to the Joran house.  So, there is a bond between them.  There is a group that they call themselves the pimps, in which all of these participate.

Thank you Janet,for all the info you share here.I think the quotes from Mos(?)about Deepak stating what they(the boys aka the pimps of aruba)like to do to American girls on their last night of their vacations.This was in the same article as the one where Deepak supposedly is yapping about a drowned tennis teacher.
I wonder exactly how many mondays joran missed of school.

Hi Karma,

Don't worry about Joran missing school.  They still have naptime at his school.  The sporter gets so tired from all his sporting events that he needs to take a nap now and then.

LOL....although that does make me wonder(joran's headmaster asking paulus when he should wake joran up when paulus called saying he will be picking joran up to go for questioning)IF joran was even supposed to be in school that day.
paulus/daury:joran,you must go about your day as usual,go home,go to bed,go to school monday.
joran:but dad....I mean daury,I don't have school on monday......I'll just go in and catch up on my sleep there.The school won't mind,they are used to it.
Plus,wasn't joran found to be sleeping overnight at his school later on the first week Natalee went missing?

[Buckeye]

Just a review of old post from Jane at BFN:


Date   Entered   Document   Pgs   File Name
2/21/08   Plaintiff   Notice of Continuance of Hearling (from Feb 29, 2008 to April 29, 2008)   4   022108D_Continuance.pdf


Future Hearings

(1) 02/29/2008 at 08:30 am. Motion to Compel ((2) C/T 4/29/08 ON COURT'S OWN MOTIONM/P TO GIVE NOTICE.)

(2) 04/03/2008 at 08:30 am. Motion to Dismiss ((Second) and Request for Terminating Sanctions;)

(3) 04/29/2008 at 08:30 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion to Compel ((2) C/F 2/29/08)

(4) 05/06/2008 at 08:30 am. Conference-Case Management (2) MTN TO DISMISS3) MTN FOR SUBST. OF PERS. REP.FOR DECEASED DEFT4) MTN FOR STAY OF ORDER5) CASE MANAGEMENT CONF6) OSC RE FTA ON 12/7/07)

[Spock]

"His mission is to stall the case until he can close it."

Guys, he did close it. He dropped his case against the three, and the Judge then released them as suspects. There is no case anymore. Nothing.

One more time:

Mos went to the Judge and said "I will not prosecute this case"
The Judge then said "If you arent going to prosecute, I will release them as suspects in the matter"
Mos then dropped his case against the three and the Judge then released them from suspision.


Can it be any clearer than that?

[Spock]

"His mission is to stall the case until he can close it."

Guys, he did close it. He dropped his case against the three, and the Judge then released them as suspects. There is no case anymore. Nothing.

One more time:

Mos went to the Judge and said "I will not prosecute this case"
The Judge then said "If you arent going to prosecute, I will release them as suspects in the matter"
Mos then dropped his case against the three and the Judge then released them from suspision.

Can it be any clearer than that?

The three are no longer Judicial suspects
The three can not be questioned, followed, or listened to
The Judicial case against the three has been closed for lack of prosecution
The Judicial case can only be reopened if the Judge approves their arrest based on new evidence

I guess we will have to agree to disagree if you believe they are still legal suspects which they are not.

[GBMW]

"His mission is to stall the case until he can close it."

Guys, he did close it. He dropped his case against the three, and the Judge then released them as suspects. There is no case anymore. Nothing.

One more time:

Mos went to the Judge and said "I will not prosecute this case"
The Judge then said "If you arent going to prosecute, I will release them as suspects in the matter"
Mos then dropped his case against the three and the Judge then released them from suspision.

Can it be any clearer than that?

The three are no longer Judicial suspects
The three can not be questioned, followed, or listened to
The Judicial case against the three has been closed for lack of prosecution
The Judicial case can only be reopened if the Judge approves their arrest based on new evidence

I guess we will have to agree to disagree if you believe they are still legal suspects which they are not.

Spock, I've checked the conversation with Hans Mos again and you're right; Joran isn't a judicial suspect for murder but he is a judicial suspect in the case though. The judges decided that at the moment there is only evidence enough for Joran to be prosecuted for disposal of a body. And for this crime he can't be pre-arrested, nor would the ALE be allowed to question him / follow him etc; that crime itself doesn't allow this according to Dutch law. Doesn't mean they're not allowed to do anything; they did get his computers at his studenthouse and his grandmothers house.

Joran isn't a judicial suspect of murder at the moment, but they're trying to get the evidence for this. The ALE does consider him a suspect of murder but can't make that official because of the lack of evidence. Officially they just put more investigators on the case to see if Jorans confession could be backed up with evidence. So they can get the evidence that's needed for Joran to be a murdersuspect instead of being someone that disposed / helped with the disposal of a body.

Sorry I misunderstood Hans Mos; should have listened better!

[Lala'sMom]

"His mission is to stall the case until he can close it."

Guys, he did close it. He dropped his case against the three, and the Judge then released them as suspects. There is no case anymore. Nothing.

One more time:

Mos went to the Judge and said "I will not prosecute this case"
The Judge then said "If you arent going to prosecute, I will release them as suspects in the matter"
Mos then dropped his case against the three and the Judge then released them from suspision.


Can it be any clearer than that?

Is there a point to this?  You have been saying this for quite some time now?  I am wondering if I have missed your point?

[Tamikosmom]

Karma ... the Dave Holloway quote regarding picking up American girls the night before they are to leave Aruba for home came from his book ... Corruption in Paradise.  However ... I do not have a clue where to begin looking.  Maybe another Monkey knows where in the book that Dave discusses this issue and ... provide the page number.

Janet

+++++++++++

Aruba: The Tragic Untold Story of Natalee Holloway and Corruption in Paradise (Hardcover)

Editorial Reviews
From Publishers Weekly

<snipped>

The closest Halloway comes to a complete theory, "Either ... local boys chase after unsuspecting girls, drug and rape them the night before they leave ... or there is a much larger conspiracy where girls are made to disappear at the whim of some higher-ups," is too broad and unsubstantiated to generate much suspense.

<snipped>

http://www.amazon.com/Aruba-Natalee-Holloway-Corruption-Paradise/dp/1595550631

I found it Janet!  Page 117 

    

Thanks texasmom!

I believe if the victims of the "pimps" have been drugged ... the next morning they may suspect that something bad" happened to them but ... do not have any memory of the previous night.

Janet

++++++++++++

Dave Holloway
Corruption in Paradise

Page 117
... either there is some small-scale operation where the local boys chase after unsuspecting girls, drug and rap them the night before they leave, knowing that the girls will not press charges because they will be forced to stay on the island to pursue their case or ...

[dennisintn]

Thank you Janet,for all the info you share here.I think the quotes from Mos(?)about Deepak stating what they(the boys aka the pimps of aruba)like to do to American girls on their last night of their vacations.This was in the same article as the one where Deepak supposedly is yapping about a drowned tennis teacher.
I wonder exactly how many mondays joran missed of school.

Sorry,just got up from a nap and I worded that all weird.I meant to say I think the bolded part above should be added to your info post.

Hi Karma.

Is this the article you are referring to.  I cannot find anything that implies a pattern of picking up American girls the night prior to them leaving Aruba for home.

However ... I know there is quote of Dave Holloway's floating around when he speculates that that there is a pattern.

Janet

+++++++++


Aruban defense attorneys dispute alleged evidence in Holloway case
The Associated Press Published: December 21, 2007

ORANJESTAD, Aruba: A suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway never mentioned her death in an online chat, his lawyer said Friday, contradicting Aruban prosecutors who called the comment key new evidence in the case.

The chat log fell far short of justifying the arrest of Deepak Kalpoe, one of three men seen with the American teen the night of her disappearance, said attorney Ronald Wix.

A court in the Dutch Caribbean island agreed and quickly released Kalpoe, along with brother Satish and a third suspect, Joran van der Sloot. Now, authorities should leave the three men alone, Wix told reporters.

"If they as much as look at our clients too long, we'll take them to court," said Wix, who also represents Satish Kalpoe.

The three suspects were seen leaving a bar with Holloway on the final night of her high school graduation trip to the island.

Aruban prosecutors detailed the chat log for the first time Thursday, saying it was a key clue that they hoped would break open the long-stalled investigation. The men did not speak with investigators while detained and a judge ordered their release for lack of evidence.

Upon their release, authorities said they had reached a dead end after two years of pursuing fruitless searches and leads, though they could still prosecute the men if they uncover evidence.

In discussing the online chat, prosecutor Hans Mos told reporters that one of the suspects — he did not disclose which — wrote that Holloway, 18 at the time of disappearance, was dead. He also said Internet messages among two suspects discussed meeting drunk American girls in Aruba.

Wix said the prosecution misinterpreted Deepak Kalpoe's Internet chats.

The 24-year-old native of Suriname in fact told a friend he was upset and thought it was stupid of him to let Holloway, whom he called a drunk stranger, get into his car, the attorney said.

Kalpoe then commented on the death of a tennis teacher who drowned in Aruba almost three years ago. When prosecutors translated his writing from Papiamento to Dutch, they substituted 'the death' to 'her death,' and assumed he was talking about Holloway, Wix said. Most Arubans speak Papiamento, a Creole language that has absorbed words from Spanish, Dutch, English and Portuguese.

Mos was on vacation Friday and could not be reached for a response. Another prosecutor, Dop Kruimel, did not immediately return phone calls seeking comment.

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/12/21/news/CB-GEN-Aruba-Missing-Teen.php

Thanks Janet
I thought I read that in another article but I'm also reading Dave's book so I may have gotten that qoute confused.
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the first i heard of them having a routine of drugging/daterape was from geraldo and he and another male reporter were lamenting the fact that they had separately been told about jvds bragging about using daterape drugs on tourist girls on their last night on the island.  none of the parents would give permission for the kids to speak on camera because "we have to live here".
dennisintn

within the last couple of months, i read a dutch poster on a dutch news blog quoting deepak as saying jvds kept a mini-journal of the girls he'd done this to, including names and dates.  it was like he was in a contest or something.
dennisintn

[Tamikosmom]

"His mission is to stall the case until he can close it."

Guys, he did close it. He dropped his case against the three, and the Judge then released them as suspects. There is no case anymore. Nothing.

One more time:

Mos went to the Judge and said "I will not prosecute this case"
The Judge then said "If you arent going to prosecute, I will release them as suspects in the matter"
Mos then dropped his case against the three and the Judge then released them from suspision.

Can it be any clearer than that?

The three are no longer Judicial suspects
The three can not be questioned, followed, or listened to
The Judicial case against the three has been closed for lack of prosecution
The Judicial case can only be reopened if the Judge approves their arrest based on new evidence

I guess we will have to agree to disagree if you believe they are still legal suspects which they are not.

Spock, I've checked the conversation with Hans Mos again and you're right; Joran isn't a judicial suspect for murder but he is a judicial suspect in the case though. The judges decided that at the moment there is only evidence enough for Joran to be prosecuted for disposal of a body. And for this crime he can't be pre-arrested, nor would the ALE be allowed to question him / follow him etc; that crime itself doesn't allow this according to Dutch law. Doesn't mean they're not allowed to do anything; they did get his computers at his studenthouse and his grandmothers house.

Joran isn't a judicial suspect of murder at the moment, but they're trying to get the evidence for this. The ALE does consider him a suspect of murder but can't make that official because of the lack of evidence. Officially they just put more investigators on the case to see if Jorans confession could be backed up with evidence. So they can get the evidence that's needed for Joran to be a murdersuspect instead of being someone that disposed / helped with the disposal of a body.

Sorry I misunderstood Hans Mos; should have listened better!

Thank you GBMW.

As of the end of February ... following the revelation of the Devries' video recording ... the official statement from the Prosecutor's Office is that the case is ongoing and ... Joran was once again declared a suspect.

Janet

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No custody for Van der Sloot
02/15/2008

The OM has no statutory remedies left against the decision. The investigation in the Holloway-case will continue with 25 detectives working on it and Van der Sloot remains the suspect. The OM will decide on further prosecution of Van der Sloot after they are done with the investigation.

http://www.amigoe.com/english/


February 15, 2008
Court of Appeal upholds lower judge’s decision not to detain J.v.d.S.
J.v.d.S remains prime suspect
Judicial investigation continues

On the pre-trial detention issue the Code of criminal procedure does not provide for further appeals. The effect of the Court decision is that J.v.d.S. cannot be (re)arrested. The investigation of the Natalee Holloway case continues. J.v.d.S. is again the prime suspect.

At the end of the investigation the Office of the Public Prosecution will decide whether to charge or not.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2605.msg350819#msg350819

[friend of monkeys]

Thanks caseu....
hi monkeys.

just popping in 

[casa]

"His mission is to stall the case until he can close it."

Guys, he did close it. He dropped his case against the three, and the Judge then released them as suspects. There is no case anymore. Nothing.

One more time:

Mos went to the Judge and said "I will not prosecute this case"
The Judge then said "If you arent going to prosecute, I will release them as suspects in the matter"
Mos then dropped his case against the three and the Judge then released them from suspision.


Can it be any clearer than that?

Then if the case is closed and they are dropped as suspects does it mean that the family and their lawyers will have access to all the files now?

[Tamikosmom]

Why has the lawsuit against Phil McGraw by the Deepak and Satish Kalpoe not been dismissed.  The legal representatives of the Kalpoes have failed time and time again to adhere with the judge's request for documents.

It appears that the defence attorneys in the Natalee Holloway case are establishing a double standard.  The defence attorneys representing Joran van der Sloot contend that he cannot be implicated as a result of his words in the Devries' video recording,  They and the three judge panel contend that Joran's lack of credibility implies that he cannot be believed.

However ... the lead attorney representing the Kalpoes in the lawsuit filed against Phil McGraw claims that Joran's words in the Devries' video recording which distance their clients from implication are worthy of belief.

I contend that Joran distancing Deepak and Satish from implication in the Devries video recording was all part of a preconceived plan ... a plan that just might be successful.

  

Janet

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Brothers Questioned in Holloway Case Sue Dr. Phil
Judge Refuses to Dismiss Holloway-Related Suit Against CBS and 'Dr. Phil' McGraw
LOS ANGELES Feb 6, 2008 (AP)

A judge refused to dismiss a defamation suit Tuesday against CBS and television psychologist "Dr. Phil" McGraw brought by two brothers who were questioned in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

William Cremer, the lead attorney for Surinamese brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, praised the decision by Superior Court Judge Edward A. Ferns.

"I'm going to take Dr. Phil down," he said outside the courtroom.

The ruling came a day after ABC's "20/20" aired a secretly recorded conversation involving Joran Van der Sloot, who also has been interrogated by Aruban authorities on Holloway's May 2005 disappearance. In the tape, Van der Sloot claims that Holloway died on the beach while they were kissing, and that he tried to revive her but failed. He said that the teen's body was dumped in the ocean and that it would never be found.

Joseph Tacopina, a lawyer for Van der Sloot, said that his client was not responsible for the Alabama teenager's death and that the tapes do not amount to a confession. Last week, Van der Sloot said he was lying in those conversations and denied that he had anything to do with Holloway's disappearance.

The Kalpoes, who have maintained they had nothing to do with Holloway's disappearance, sued in December 2006, claiming the "Dr. Phil" talk show altered portions of a taped conversation between Deepak Kalpoe and a private investigator to "create false, incriminating, and defamatory statements that the plaintiffs engaged in criminal activity against Natalee Holloway."

The brothers also contend the TV show implied they helped kill Holloway and got rid of her body. Their suit claims defamation, invasion of privacy, emotional distress, fraud, deceit and civil conspiracy.

Cremer said the taped remarks by Van der Sloot, which were secretly recorded by a Dutch crime reporter, help his clients' defamation case.

"It pretty much exonerates my boys, doesn't it?" Cremer said.

In their dismissal motion, attorneys for CBS Television and McGraw maintained lawyers for the Kalpoes did not meet deadlines to produce all documents they have demanded concerning the criminal case investigation against the brothers in Aruba.

But the judge gave the Kalpoes' lawyers another five days to satisfy the document deadline.

"The documents are relevant to the most fundamental issues in this case," Ferns stated in his ruling. "There is no other (information) which can substitute for the documents sought by the defendants due to the nature of this case."

In June, another judge dismissed a wrongful death case against the Kalpoes by Holloway's parents, ruling the Los Angeles Superior Court did not have jurisdiction. The parents maintained the brothers conceded jurisdiction when they sued CBS and McGraw in Los Angeles.

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Joran van der Sloot
ABC - 20/20
February 4, 2008

J: But at that moment you know, it had to be, it had to be good, if the police would come to me for the disappearance of the girl, because they had seen me leaving with the girl at Carlos and Charlies, these boys they know, ok they have just dropped me of, they don't know anything furhter.

P: Deepak and Satish.

J: Dumb boys Patrick, they are not even worth it.

Translation by Marco at RU 

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2576.msg342749;topicseen#msg342749

[Tamikosmom]

"His mission is to stall the case until he can close it."

Guys, he did close it. He dropped his case against the three, and the Judge then released them as suspects. There is no case anymore. Nothing.

One more time:

Mos went to the Judge and said "I will not prosecute this case"
The Judge then said "If you arent going to prosecute, I will release them as suspects in the matter"
Mos then dropped his case against the three and the Judge then released them from suspision.


Can it be any clearer than that?

Then if the case is closed and they are dropped as suspects does it mean that the family and their lawyers will have access to all the files now?

casa ... this is the reason that I suspect that Aruba will never officially close the Natalee Holloway case.  Aruba will allow the disappearance of an 18 year old American citizen on Aruban soil to become a cold case ... rather than being put in the legal position that would demand that documents/evidence within the case file be handed over to to the FBI/family.

An FBI investigation would expose the Aruban investigation for what it was ... corrupt.  An fBI investigation would expose what Monkeys already know ... justice for Natalee Holloway never stood a chance.

Janet

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Jug Twitty
On the Record w/ Greta
July 6, 2005

GEORGE "JUG" TWITTY: Well, the way the system works down here, when the case is closed, we will have all that information, and we can release it to the world.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161705,00.html


Art Wood
DANA PRETZER
July 2, 2006 - Part 1
July 8, 2006 - Part 2

The family of Natalee needs to put pressure on the US attorney in Birmingham to push the FBI to conduct an investigation after ALE close the case. We have a treaty that allows the FBI to pursue a violation of civil rights of an American citizen there.


Art Wood
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
December 2, 2005

ART WOOD, FORMER SECRET SERVICE AGENT: Absolutely. Absolutely. There's a lot that Americans can do through the State Department. I want to remind everybody that Natalee Holloway was a U.S. citizen. Once the Aruban authorities are done investigating this case, the FBI can still conduct an investigation, and they could extradite these suspects to the United States. Let me point out that there's a ton of circumstantial evidence in this case to convict these kids.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10295536/


When the FBI Seeks Extradition
BILATERAL EXTRADITION TREATIES
NETHERLANDS

http://www.internationalextradition.com/netherlands_bi.htm

[ldstlou]

Oh CBB...you just lit up my face from ear to ear!!
Thank you for the avi, you have outdone yourself!!!