Natalee Case Discussion #745 3/25 - 4/4/08

[Tamikosmom]

The 15 minute movie produced by MP Geert Wilders reveals the truth about Islam ... about the Koran ... about the global agenda and ... the politically correct democracies of the free world continue to appease those who embrace this ideology.

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Geert Wilders speaks about his controversial film

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/03/28/fitna.reaction/index.html?eref=rss_world#cnnSTCVideo

[bleachedblack]

Why to so many bad guys tend to feel comfprtable in Aruba? Oh I remember....."A sunny place for shady people....."
 
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Convicted National Century execs arrested following alleged plot to flee country

April 2, 2008
 Four convicted National Century Financial Enterprises Inc. executives were arrested Wednesday, following fears that they planned to flee to Aruba.

The executives, convicted last month on conspiracy and securities fraud charges and facing years behind bars, had their bail revoked and were taken into custody after law enforcement officials claimed they were planning to flee in advance of their sentencing, according to accusations made in filings at U.S. District Court in Columbus.

Taken into custody were Donald H. Ayers, 71; James Dierker, 40; Roger Faulkenberry, 46; and Randolph Speer, 57.

Their arrests came less than a week after authorities issued an arrest warrant for Rebecca Parrett, 58, the former treasurer and co-founder of National Century. Police are searching for her after she failed to show up for an appointment with a court officer in Arizona, where she was to await sentencing. Her whereabouts remain unknown.

 The five executives were convicted March 13 of running a multiyear fraud at Dublin-based National Century, which collapsed into bankruptcy six years ago, resulting in as much as $3 billion in investor funds going missing. They each face prison sentences of 20 to 55 years.

U.S. District Court Judge Algenon L. Marbley allowed the five executives to remain under house arrest until their sentencing on the condition they would be placed on electronic monitoring. Parrett never received a monitoring device.

FBI agents learned of the executives' alleged escape plan Tuesday from a confidential source, according to the filing.

"The (FBI) developed information from a confidential source, who reported to FBI that (former National Century CEO Lance Poulsen) told the confidential source that the NCFE defendants had a plan to flee to Aruba if they were convicted," the document said.

The document also said the government discovered Parrett allegedly attempted to secure false identification papers prior to her trial.

Poulsen is scheduled to be tried on similar fraud charges this summer. He and a friend, Karl Demmler, were convicted last Wednesday on witness tampering charges stemming from claims they tried to bribe a key government witness scheduled to testify in Poulsen's trial. The two men are in custody awaiting sentencing.

http://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/stories/2008/03/31/daily22.html?b=1207108800^1614221

[WhiskeyGirl]

What does *in hiding* mean to the rest of you?   Those were the words said to me....also was told that Holland doesn't even know where the *secret place* he is being kept...yes, those words were used too...*secret place*...well...to me, it sounds like his family knows that he can be arrested...and are doing everything they can to keep that from happening....

Would like to hear your thoughts on this...I think this is part of the reason everything is so quiet right now...but this is JMOHO...

JMHO - is it possible that he isn't using some kind of cell phone to communicate with members of his family and friends?  Is it possible to be in a secret place using a cell phone?  Is it possible that he hasn't spoken to anyone for months? 

Could he be in hiding from his family, former-friends, the Aruban mob, and others?  Perhaps he has been subjected not only to youtubes, but to threats of harm?  Maybe someone has kidnapped him for ransom?

[KarmaRoundUp]

Thank you Janet,for all the info you share here.I think the quotes from Mos(?)about Deepak stating what they(the boys aka the pimps of aruba)like to do to American girls on their last night of their vacations.This was in the same article as the one where Deepak supposedly is yapping about a drowned tennis teacher.
I wonder exactly how many mondays joran missed of school.

Sorry,just got up from a nap and I worded that all weird.I meant to say I think the bolded part above should be added to your info post.

Hi Karma.

Is this the article you are referring to.  I cannot find anything that implies a pattern of picking up American girls the night prior to them leaving Aruba for home.

However ... I know there is quote of Dave Holloway's floating around when he speculates that that there is a pattern.

Janet

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Aruban defense attorneys dispute alleged evidence in Holloway case
The Associated Press Published: December 21, 2007

ORANJESTAD, Aruba: A suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway never mentioned her death in an online chat, his lawyer said Friday, contradicting Aruban prosecutors who called the comment key new evidence in the case.

The chat log fell far short of justifying the arrest of Deepak Kalpoe, one of three men seen with the American teen the night of her disappearance, said attorney Ronald Wix.

A court in the Dutch Caribbean island agreed and quickly released Kalpoe, along with brother Satish and a third suspect, Joran van der Sloot. Now, authorities should leave the three men alone, Wix told reporters.

"If they as much as look at our clients too long, we'll take them to court," said Wix, who also represents Satish Kalpoe.

The three suspects were seen leaving a bar with Holloway on the final night of her high school graduation trip to the island.

Aruban prosecutors detailed the chat log for the first time Thursday, saying it was a key clue that they hoped would break open the long-stalled investigation. The men did not speak with investigators while detained and a judge ordered their release for lack of evidence.

Upon their release, authorities said they had reached a dead end after two years of pursuing fruitless searches and leads, though they could still prosecute the men if they uncover evidence.

In discussing the online chat, prosecutor Hans Mos told reporters that one of the suspects — he did not disclose which — wrote that Holloway, 18 at the time of disappearance, was dead. He also said Internet messages among two suspects discussed meeting drunk American girls in Aruba.

Wix said the prosecution misinterpreted Deepak Kalpoe's Internet chats.

The 24-year-old native of Suriname in fact told a friend he was upset and thought it was stupid of him to let Holloway, whom he called a drunk stranger, get into his car, the attorney said.

Kalpoe then commented on the death of a tennis teacher who drowned in Aruba almost three years ago. When prosecutors translated his writing from Papiamento to Dutch, they substituted 'the death' to 'her death,' and assumed he was talking about Holloway, Wix said. Most Arubans speak Papiamento, a Creole language that has absorbed words from Spanish, Dutch, English and Portuguese.

Mos was on vacation Friday and could not be reached for a response. Another prosecutor, Dop Kruimel, did not immediately return phone calls seeking comment.

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/12/21/news/CB-GEN-Aruba-Missing-Teen.php

Thanks Janet
I thought I read that in another article but I'm also reading Dave's book so I may have gotten that qoute confused.

the first i heard of them having a routine of drugging/daterape was from geraldo and he and another male reporter were lamenting the fact that they had separately been told about jvds bragging about using daterape drugs on tourist girls on their last night on the island.  none of the parents would give permission for the kids to speak on camera because "we have to live here".
dennisintn

within the last couple of months, i read a dutch poster on a dutch news blog quoting deepak as saying jvds kept a mini-journal of the girls he'd done this to, including names and dates.  it was like he was in a contest or something.
dennisintn
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That is interesting,thanks Dennis.
The article I'm posting about came about toward the end of 2007 during the re arrest of the suspects.I'll have to look for it this weekend when I have more time.

[WhiskeyGirl]

Dutch parliament debates MP Wilders' Fitna movie

All parties attack MP Geert Wilders and his movie

Embarrassing

Mr Wilders struggled to defend his motivations for making the film. In a particularly embarrassing moment for the right-wing populist, Justice Minister Ernst Hirsch Ballin produced notes from meetings in October and November, before news of production of the film became public.

During those meetings, Mr Wilders informed the Justice Minister, the national anti-terrorism coordinator and two other cabinet-level officials of his tentative plans for the film, including showing the Muslim holy book, the Quran, being torn up and burnt in a fireplace. The government based its security preparations for possible repercussions of the film on these meetings with Mr Wilders.

During Tuesday's debate, Mr Wilders repeatedly denied that he had informed the government in such detail about his film. Mr Wilders said,

"I'm being taken for a ride here by the Minister of Justice. The cabinet is just trying to clear itself. This is a great and unprecendented shame."

He accused the Justice Minister of lying, and said the Prime Minister only worsened the commotion around the film by talking about a crisis. Mr Wilders submitted a motion of no-confidence in the entire cabinet.

http://www.radionetherlands.nl/currentaffairs/region/netherlands/080402-fitna-debate-mc

They look so serious, or like they had something to eat that does not agree with them.

[WhiskeyGirl]

Beth Holloway to Visit 
 
Posted: 5:15 PM Apr 2, 2008
Last Updated: 5:15 PM Apr 2, 2008

If you have teenagers, then you know the feeling of worry when they go on trips without you.

Beth Holloway knows that feeling as well as anyone. Holloway will be speaking at the Florida State University Panama City campus tomorrow.

Her 18-year-old daughter, Natalee, vanished in May 2005 while she and some of her Birmingham classmates were on a graduation trip to Aruba. Her body has never been found.

The case drew international attention, and Beth Holloway has used the opportunity to tell her story and establish a non-profit organization that protects others.

International Safe Travels Foundation helps educate people of the dangers of traveling abroad and helps them avoid a tragic situation.

Wendy Dixon, FSU marketing coordinator, said, "I think this will be a really good learning experience for parents and students, especially during spring break when there are so many dangers out there. Beth is a victim's advocate and she will help provide some tips on what the student or parent can do to keep their child safe as they travel."

Holloway has a special connection to the local FSU campus. The school's underwater crime scene investigation program made two trips to Aruba to search for Natalee's body.

Team members will also participate in lectures and present their findings. The first session is from 8:30-9:30 for students only. The second is from 6 to 8 tomorrow night and it's open to the public, but seating for both sessions is limited to the first 200 people.

http://www.wjhg.com/news/headlines/17240309.html

[WhiskeyGirl]

Natalie Holloway's mother to speak in Panhandle

Tony Bridges|Florida Freedom Newspapers
April 2, 2008 - 9:40AM

PANAMA CITY - The mother of Natalee Holloway, the Alabama teen who disappeared three years ago during a high school graduation trip to Aruba, is scheduled to speak in Panama City on Thursday.

Beth Holloway will talk about the nonprofit she founded to promote secure tourism and will revisit her daughter’s case during two sessions at the Florida State University-Panama City campus. The evening session will be open to the public.

“She’s just trying to get the point across to be safe when you travel ... and how easily things can happen,” said student Ali McKeithen.

Natalee Holloway, then 18, visited Aruba in May 2005 with a small group of classmates from her high school in suburban Birmingham. She was last seen outside a nightclub and is believed to be dead. A lengthy and controversial investigation in Aruba focused on three local men, but no one has ever been tried.

Faculty from FSU’s underwater crime scene investigation program helped search for Holloway’s body in Aruban waters and plan to be on hand to discuss their efforts Thursday. Sheriff Frank McKeithen also is expected to cover Spring Break safety issues.

Ali McKeithen, the sheriff’s daughter, and another student, Kristen Brookins, arranged the visit as part of an independent study course on design and promotion. The two communications majors, the sole students selected for the class, were assigned to create, organize and run a public event.

McKeithen said her mother had mentioned reading Holloway’s book, “Loving Natalee,” and she remembered hearing about the International Safe Travels Foundation, the group Holloway started.

The foundation runs a Web site with information on avoiding crime and seeking medical and police help in foreign destinations, and also designed a course on travel safety that is now taught at Auburn University.

“I thought that was a great connection,” said McKeithen, a senior.

She inquired about having Holloway speak here.

“The next day, her publicist gave me a call,” she said. “It all just kind of came together perfectly. It kind of got larger than we all expected.”

McKeithen said she and Brookins will be graded on how well the event goes.Holloway is expected to speak to students from 8:30 to 9:30 a.m. and to the public from 6 to 8 p.m. in the FSU-PC auditorium. Seating is limited to 200 people.

http://www.thedestinlog.com/news/holloway_4112___article.html/panama_city.html

[KarmaRoundUp]

What does *in hiding* mean to the rest of you?   Those were the words said to me....also was told that Holland doesn't even know where the *secret place* he is being kept...yes, those words were used too...*secret place*...well...to me, it sounds like his family knows that he can be arrested...and are doing everything they can to keep that from happening....

Would like to hear your thoughts on this...I think this is part of the reason everything is so quiet right now...but this is JMOHO...

JMHO - is it possible that he isn't using some kind of cell phone to communicate with members of his family and friends?  Is it possible to be in a secret place using a cell phone?  Is it possible that he hasn't spoken to anyone for months? 

Could he be in hiding from his family, former-friends, the Aruban mob, and others?  Perhaps he has been subjected not only to youtubes, but to threats of harm?  Maybe someone has kidnapped him for ransom?

LOL....only in my dreams.
I think it's very possible that joran is in hiding WITH his parent's and ALE and prosecutors knowledge.

[WhiskeyGirl]

A Bird's View of a Dutch Navy Frigate

More Editorial by Els Kroon
April 2008 Issue

On the eighth of February, the Dutch Royal Navy ship HNLMS Van Galen ceremonially entered the harbour of Curaçao for a five month stay in the Caribbean, based in Curaçao.

The 1994-commissioned M (Multi purpose) frigate is the seventh in the Karel Doorman Class. M frigates are built and equipped for anti-submarine, anti-air and surface warfare roles, but in the Caribbean, the ship’s tasks mainly imply anti-drug operations in cooperation with the Coast Guard of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba, and search and rescue tasks at sea. The frigate also provides humanitarian assistance in case of emergency like hurricanes and other catastrophes and disasters.

For anti-drug action outside the territorial waters Van Galen deploys a US Coast Guard’s Law Enforcement Detachment (LEDET) on board. Before leaving the Dutch homeport Den Helder, the 136 crew exercised an extensive work up program for the anti-drug operations and also for nuclear, biological and chemical protection and damage control (NBCD).  In the UK, Van Galen participated in an intensive disaster exercise.

The ship carries one AgustaWestland Lynx SH-14D helicopter, which is able to land on the ship’s heli platform on the aft deck at rough seas. The Lynx is a multi-role helicopter. It can operate from both shore and ship. The Lynx can also carry out so-called “boardings” whereby it swiftly lowers a team of specialists onto a suspect ship in order to search it. In this manner, it can play an important role in rescuing people from the sea and in medical evacuations. It can be brought into action for reconnaissance purposes far ahead of the ship, thus broadening the ship’s horizon.

I was granted the unique opportunity to join the crew in the “Pink Panther” Lynx helicopter when the Van Galen passed the harbour breakwaters and ceremonially entered the St Anna Bay. The presence of the beautiful cruise ship the Queen Mary 2 at Curaçao’s megapier was a lucky coincidence.

HNLMS Van Galen started her last term in the West this February. As per November 2009 she’ll enter service in new owners, the Belgian Navy.

HNLMS Van Galen Facts:
Length: 122,3 meter / 401 ft
With: 14,4 meter / 47 ft
Draught: 6,2 meter / 20 ft
Crewmembers: 136

http://www.allatsea.net/specificissueeditorial.php?featureid=1789

(Interesting site, I wonder if the the boat has dive capability?)

[bleachedblack]

What does *in hiding* mean to the rest of you?   Those were the words said to me....also was told that Holland doesn't even know where the *secret place* he is being kept...yes, those words were used too...*secret place*...well...to me, it sounds like his family knows that he can be arrested...and are doing everything they can to keep that from happening....

Would like to hear your thoughts on this...I think this is part of the reason everything is so quiet right now...but this is JMOHO...

IMO in hiding would possibly mean from those who made the threats  against Joran following the chats he had with Patrick?

[Buckeye]

It has always bothered me that Mos said something about "the first time Joran has confessed".  Everyone got carried away with the wine throwing and missed what FP poster Robert translated.  I remember Anita saying early on she could not talk about the case to Joran, because they would stop her.  I believe Joran did confess the 10th and Anita came to visit (and cried).  I think the confession was thrown out, on a technicality because Joran was told NOT to sign it.

Anita: Uhmmm… When Joran was arrested for the first time I was the only one who was allowed to see him. Because he was a minor and they wanted to keep out Paul because of his function. Uhm, I have spoken to Joran some times but only short, some 15 to twenty minutes. And I am his mother. I love him very dearly. And I’m really convinced he wouldn’t do anything to that girl. These first emotions, these are very important to me… to see them in him as well… For a moment I doubted him. I’ve thought… By Jingo, could an accident have happened? Has something happened? Doesn’t he want to tell… He is just having his final exams… He knows he has final-exams-celebrations… He has a girlfriend… so he’s cheated on her… His father will be very angry with him… Etc. etc…. So I very directly spoke with him and one of the confrontations… that I came over there… And I was taken by an Aruban detective… And Joran was very upset… He before that was beset for hours and hours… Words were put in his mouth… which he never said… that were put to paper but that he never signed. And they showed that to me…: ‘This is what he said!’

Poor Joran...words into his mouth....then she goes on TV and says they should have questioned the boys hard...blah blah blah....They've had his confession.......more than once........and.......don't want to take it..........

I grabbed this from BFN because I couldn't find our translation.

[dennisintn]

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What does *in hiding* mean to the rest of you?   Those were the words said to me....also was told that Holland doesn't even know where the *secret place* he is being kept...yes, those words were used too...*secret place*...well...to me, it sounds like his family knows that he can be arrested...and are doing everything they can to keep that from happening....

Would like to hear your thoughts on this...I think this is part of the reason everything is so quiet right now...but this is JMOHO...
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JMHO - is it possible that he isn't using some kind of cell phone to communicate with members of his family and friends?  Is it possible to be in a secret place using a cell phone?  Is it possible that he hasn't spoken to anyone for months? 

Could he be in hiding from his family, former-friends, the Aruban mob, and others?  Perhaps he has been subjected not only to youtubes, but to threats of harm?  Maybe someone has kidnapped him for ransom?[/quote]
LOL....only in my dreams.
I think it's very possible that joran is in hiding WITH his parent's and ALE and prosecutors knowledge.
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i agree that he's probably hiding with his parents/ale/klpd's knowledge.  he could be making his calls on a "pay as you go" phone.  they don't have to be registered to anyone.
dennisintn

[San]

i agree that he's probably hiding with his parents/ale/klpd's knowledge.  he could be making his calls on a "pay as you go" phone.  they don't have to be registered to anyone.
dennisintn

I do not believe that POS is hiding from anyone.  He is arrogant and cocky and doesn't give a shit who he hurts and is probably enjoying the current game.  Because we don't know where he exactly is at the moment doesn't mean he is hiding.  It just means we haven't found him yet 

[WhiskeyGirl]

(edit out quote stack)

i agree that he's probably hiding with his parents/ale/klpd's knowledge.  he could be making his calls on a "pay as you go" phone.  they don't have to be registered to anyone.
dennisintn

How many cell towers are by the facilities in which he was housed?  How many cell phone calls could be documented?  To / from numbers?  To / from locations?  Who owned those numbers?

If the cell tower knows by location that someone is in front or back of the hotel, can they tell us who was making calls from within the jails J2K was in?

[WhiskeyGirl]

i agree that he's probably hiding with his parents/ale/klpd's knowledge.  he could be making his calls on a "pay as you go" phone.  they don't have to be registered to anyone.
dennisintn

I do not believe that POS is hiding from anyone.  He is arrogant and cocky and doesn't give a shit who he hurts and is probably enjoying the current game.  Because we don't know where he exactly is at the moment doesn't mean he is hiding.  It just means we haven't found him yet 

How about this vision of Joran...

He is laughing at the world while reclining (as in that familiar picture by the VDS pool) on a lounge chair at his new home in Portugal.  Laptop handy, he is being home schooled to ensure that he completes his colleges courses on time.  (Probably an American correspondence program, under a new name.)  jmhi (just my humble imagination)

[Tamikosmom]

The Natalee Holloway case has introduced me to an self serving side of human nature that I have not experienced in my lifetime (61 years).

Almost three years later ... Anita is still attempting to distance her son from implication in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway by ... focusing blame on the security guards as well as implying that Natalee returned to the Holiday Inn that morning.

Janet

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Anita van der Sloot
Pauw and Witteman
January 11, 2008

Anita: We know that people have been seen on the beach. We know that the electronic swipe card from the hotel has been used, within a time frame she could have walked, we know that the card has been used three times. We know that security guards were in the neighborhood. It looks like she could have used the card, to get into the room.

http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/media/jorandevries.htm


Dave Holloway
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
April 5, 2006

DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE‘S FATHER: Well, we need to clear up a little of the smoke and mirrors problem. I provided the police with the documents that they‘re referring to, the hotel keys, as a matter of fact. Beth obtained those immediately upon arriving on the island and then provided me with a copy that I provided to the police.

Joe failed to mention that that same code was used again at 11:02 AM and 11:08 AM prior to them getting on—or leaving to the airport. So key number one, which we feel like Natalee used, was last used at 8:30 PM the prior night. So that key was not used again after the trip was over.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12187266/


Beth Twitty
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
December 5, 2005

TWITTY: ... Remember, within the first 24 hours, we knew who the suspects were. We knew the persons that Natalee were taken from Carlos and Charlie‘s. We knew the license plate of the gray Honda they placed her in. We knew the condition that Natalee was in. We knew the behavior or the conduct in which they engaged in with Natalee.

And then not only that, Jane, within 72 hours, we knew that their first story was totally fabricated, that within the first 72 hours, I faced a room of 12 -- at least 12 detectives, Aruban and Dutch detectives, and a lead detective, Dennis Jacobs (ph), and they knew after we reviewed video footage from the Holiday Inn casino lobby that my daughter had never been brought back to the Holiday Inn. They knew that those suspects were fabricating a story from day one.

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TWITTY: Well, Jane, something that the family knew—and we have to keep reminding everyone—after 72 hours -- 72 hours—we knew definitively that these suspects were not telling the truth. We knew that my daughter had never been brought back to the Holiday Inn. Of course we were becoming frustrated. Who wouldn‘t, at this point? You know, we—and what was so unbelievable about this, is they knew this information and still chose to pursue the two security guards on June the 5th.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10348437/

[San]

i agree that he's probably hiding with his parents/ale/klpd's knowledge.  he could be making his calls on a "pay as you go" phone.  they don't have to be registered to anyone.
dennisintn

I do not believe that POS is hiding from anyone.  He is arrogant and cocky and doesn't give a shit who he hurts and is probably enjoying the current game.  Because we don't know where he exactly is at the moment doesn't mean he is hiding.  It just means we haven't found him yet 

How about this vision of Joran...

He is laughing at the world while reclining (as in that familiar picture by the VDS pool) on a lounge chair at his new home in Portugal.  Laptop handy, he is being home schooled to ensure that he completes his colleges courses on time.  (Probably an American correspondence program, under a new name.)  jmhi (just my humble imagination)

I do believe the first part.  As far as being home schooled I doubt it.  He is lazy and he needs to be around those idiots he hangs out with because he thinks he is the life of the party.

He is around and still getting high as a kite and drinking up a storm and gambling away.  He can't help himself because that is the lifestyle he enjoys.

Joran doesn't listen to anyone but himself and that will be his downfall.

[LilPuma]

i agree that he's probably hiding with his parents/ale/klpd's knowledge.  he could be making his calls on a "pay as you go" phone.  they don't have to be registered to anyone.
dennisintn

I do not believe that POS is hiding from anyone.  He is arrogant and cocky and doesn't give a shit who he hurts and is probably enjoying the current game.  Because we don't know where he exactly is at the moment doesn't mean he is hiding.  It just means we haven't found him yet 

My usual pop-in to see if there's news.  Because there's been no news.  Interesting that Joran may have kept a diary of the girls they did this to before.  I hadn't heard that.  As for Joran in hiding, he felt like a total jerk.  I believe he was depressed at having been duped.  Then there's info that corroborates his latest drug-induced confession, so now even those who thought the Americans were being their usual bully selves, know the Americans were right.  So the whole family is embarrassed.  You see, Joran has to be BMOC.  It's his thing.  He's got to be the baddest, the coolest, numero uno.  Which is why he was angry with the MB kids after a little run in and angry with Natalee for dissing GVC.  So he was going to show those MB teens.  Sadly, something bad happened the 21st time and now a bunch of hairy primates (that's us, you know, Monkeys! are heart broken and angry and you don't want to get a bunch of hairy primates mad. 
 

Aside from being afraid of living in the Netherlands where most of the population know what he really is, Joe T is playing the "he's not himself, look what all this has done to my client" card, so Joran can get that payoff he spoke about with Patrick. 

Gotta go eat dinner, but I'll check in later.  I've been through a period of no computer, new computer, new ISP, transferring files, etc, but as always, it's nice to know the Monkeys are holding down the fort and more on top of things than Greta. 

I also have to scoot over to Musings to see is Klaas has painted a monkey on that Bobcat yet.   

[LilPuma]

I do believe the first part.  As far as being home schooled I doubt it.  He is lazy and he needs to be around those idiots he hangs out with because he thinks he is the life of the party.


He is around and still getting high as a kite and drinking up a storm and gambling away.  He can't help himself because that is the lifestyle he enjoys.

Joran doesn't listen to anyone but himself and that will be his downfall.

I'd say it's more like "That's what he is", than a lifestyle he enjoys.  Wherever he is, he's drinking and playing music and e-mailing his pimp friends.  Hopefully, the local women have seen DeVries. 

[Tamikosmom]

The "powers that be" in the Aruban investigation knew prior to Jug and Beth's June 1, 2005 interrogation the circumstances encompassing Natalee Holloway's demise yet ... they have put her family through almost three years of a H--- on Earth.

Despicable!

Where is Joran's May 31, 2005 witness statement?

Janet

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Joran van der Sloot
ABC NEWS
February 3, 2008

In one taped conversation, van der Sloot told van der Eem that Holloway visibly convulsed "like a movie," that she was shaking "a lot."
 
"Did you try CPR on her?" asked van der Eem.
 
"Of course, I tried everything," van der Sloot said. "I tried to shake her. I was shaking the bitch. I was like, 'What is wrong with you man?' I almost wanted to cry. Why does this s*** have to happen to me?"

http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=4222253&page


Jug Twitty
NANCY GRACE
February 15, 2008

HUGHES: Well, Jug, my heart goes out to you and your family. I`m so sorry for this tragedy. You mentioned a little earlier that you think this has been a cover-up and a conspiracy from the very beginning. Can you just let our viewers know a couple of examples that makes you feel that way?

TWITTY: Well, I mean, I`ve said it several times, you know, to go over it again, but in the beginning, you know, they ask us questions about the epilepsy and everything, which you wouldn`t normally ask somebody that right out of the chute. So they knew like the second night that she probably wasn`t alive.

And then, just like all the stuff like when all the people that were there, all the people that came with me to help, they never even questioned us for two weeks. If they wanted an answer, they could have got a lot of the answers about the deal about the 4:00 in the morning when he said he picked him up at McDonald`s. There were a lot of those answers there that they could have had if they wanted them. And just I think they got in it early to, you know, cover up, and they just had to cover their tracks all the way through.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/15/ng.01.html


Beth Holloway
On the Record w/ Greta
February 7, 2008

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you think, if the Aruban police asked that question within 48 hours of Natalee disappearing, and now we hear it on the tape with Joran two-and-a-half or three-and-a-half years later, whatever it is by now — do you think the Aruban police heard him say that? Do you think he told that to the Aruban police that night when they talked to him?

HOLLOWAY: I have absolutely no doubt that the only reason why that question was asked of us was they had a confession or an admission of this from Joran Van Der Sloot himself. So definitely. There is no way that we can tie what Joran said — you know, no way that we cannot tie when Joran said during that taped interview to what was asked of us from Dennis Jacobs not — within 48 hours. Absolutely. Absolutely, they knew.

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John Kelly
On the Record w/ Greta
February 20, 2008

KELLY:  Let me throw one more thing in on that Greta.  On May 31st, Joran was the first person interviewed by Jacobs when he's taking statements. Every police report subsequent to that, the statements made by Deepak, made by Satish, made by Beth that day, we have them all, there is no statement from Joran until June 9th.
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Beth Twitty
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
September 14, 2005

TWITTY: Well, Rita, like I said, we‘ve been worried as early as June 1 when we saw torn statements at a police station. We‘ve had falsified documents. I mean, we‘ve seen key elements omitted from uniformed police officers‘ statements. We‘ve had a D.E.A. whose statement was never taken.

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