Natalee Case Discussion #745 3/25 - 4/4/08

[nimrod]

quote from Tomikosmom:

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Considering the official statement released from the Prosecutor's Office on February 15, 2008 was clear that ... the investigation was ongoing and ... Joran was again a suspect ... I doubt that this lawsuit brought by Beth Holloway could proceed at this time.*

Janet

Janet...I can very well see this filing of the suit by Beth, as a ploy to force Mos' hand in the *waiting* game...this breaks the stalemate....

Destiny

I agree. I think heads will start rolling much sooner that 2-3 years.

[crazybabyborg]

The Mental Hospital is to provide "evidence" that Joran has a diagnosis that could lead him to fabricate the confession to impress Patrick. Iacky's orchestrated this, IMO.

Is the suit filed in Holland and is that where it will be heard, or will it kick back to Aruba?

[Tamikosmom]

Rob ... there are so many aspect of that Pauw & Witteman interview with Joran that I find very troubling.  I am inclined to believe that Joran was very compliance in regards to the outcome of the video recording revelation ... an outcome that had an objective but ... an outcome that that implied there would be no legal consequences.

Janet

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Joran Van der Sloot
Pauw & Witteman
(Phone Interview/Grandma's house)
February 4, 2008

Joran:  Yes, well everyone will see it this Sunday, ha ha ha , but I can easily proof that what I said is not true, it's a whole lot about nothing ...

Well, I would hate to think Godfather Peter R would do anything that would jeopardize the case. And I have no idea how Joran was going  to proof anything. Van Der Straaten linked him to the area he says he was and during the exact same time. Van Der Straaten nails him with his bogus cell phone triangulation.

Not that I believe any of that and still believe it was all at the Sloot murder compound. But the available evidence nails Joran's ass to the wall. And so much for the abducted twice in one night theory proposed by Anita.

If Joran was being followed by the KLPD or some other investigative body, it is theoretical that Mos did know Patrick was doing something... but he might not know what. He would know Patrick was hanging out with Joran and could even know Patrick had a previous record.... but then again, all the suspects were released when the got their letters. The could not be followed, tapped, or harassed.

hard to know what really happened.

Interesting Mos never mentioned that they were aware of what Peter R was doing when he made all of his statements.

Rob ... the following quote implies the the Dutch knew about Patrick's intentions early on.

However ... I have a quote saved somewhere that quotes Hans Mos.  Hans Mos states that Patrick came to him just prior to the November, 2007 detentions of Joran, Deepak and Satish.  Hans claimed that he told Patrick that the operation would have to be independent of the Prosecutor's office.

I will try to locate that quote.

Janet

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Wednesday, February 06, 2008

Joran and OM talk tomorrow in the Netherlands

ORANJESTAD – The conversation between Joran van der Sloot and the Public Prosecutor (OM) will most probably take place in the Netherlands tomorrow, said Joran’s lawyer Ariean de Bie.  Van der Sloot indicated last Monday that he is willing to be interrogated again by the police. According to Van der Eem, Joran continued to bombard him with email and sms until the day of the disclosure. 

After he had met Joran in a poker game in the casino, Van der Eem had approached the Dutch police last year with the suggestion to unmask him.  Justice questions the fact that he had given himself up.  Due to the fact that there is no law for special powers to investigate (BOB), deploy a civil informant in Aruba is unfortunately impossible, but this is different in the Netherlands.  Using police-informants is possible, but with ‘a lot of trouble’.  “But that is going to change”, said an insider in the OM.  “A BOB law is in the make and will probably be presented soon.”

http://amigoe.com/english/

[Rob]

Rob ... there are so many aspect of that Pauw & Witteman interview with Joran that I find very troubling.  I am inclined to believe that Joran was very compliance in regards to the outcome of the video recording revelation ... an outcome that had an objective but ... an outcome that that implied there would be no legal consequences.

Janet

+++++++++++++++

Joran Van der Sloot
Pauw & Witteman
(Phone Interview/Grandma's house)
February 4, 2008

Joran:  Yes, well everyone will see it this Sunday, ha ha ha , but I can easily proof that what I said is not true, it's a whole lot about nothing ...

Well, I would hate to think Godfather Peter R would do anything that would jeopardize the case. And I have no idea how Joran was going  to proof anything. Van Der Straaten linked him to the area he says he was and during the exact same time. Van Der Straaten nails him with his bogus cell phone triangulation.

Not that I believe any of that and still believe it was all at the Sloot murder compound. But the available evidence nails Joran's ass to the wall. And so much for the abducted twice in one night theory proposed by Anita.

If Joran was being followed by the KLPD or some other investigative body, it is theoretical that Mos did know Patrick was doing something... but he might not know what. He would know Patrick was hanging out with Joran and could even know Patrick had a previous record.... but then again, all the suspects were released when the got their letters. The could not be followed, tapped, or harassed.

hard to know what really happened.

Interesting Mos never mentioned that they were aware of what Peter R was doing when he made all of his statements.

Rob ... the following quote implies the the Dutch knew about Patrick's intentions early on.

However ... I have a quote saved somewhere that quotes Hans Mos.  Hans Mos states that Patrick came to him just prior to the November, 2007 detentions of Joran, Deepak and Satish.  Hans claimed that he told Patrick that the operation would have to be independent of the Prosecutor's office.

I will try to locate that quote.

Janet

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Wednesday, February 06, 2008

Joran and OM talk tomorrow in the Netherlands

ORANJESTAD – The conversation between Joran van der Sloot and the Public Prosecutor (OM) will most probably take place in the Netherlands tomorrow, said Joran’s lawyer Ariean de Bie.  Van der Sloot indicated last Monday that he is willing to be interrogated again by the police. According to Van der Eem, Joran continued to bombard him with email and sms until the day of the disclosure. 

After he had met Joran in a poker game in the casino, Van der Eem had approached the Dutch police last year with the suggestion to unmask him.  Justice questions the fact that he had given himself up.  Due to the fact that there is no law for special powers to investigate (BOB), deploy a civil informant in Aruba is unfortunately impossible, but this is different in the Netherlands.  Using police-informants is possible, but with ‘a lot of trouble’.  “But that is going to change”, said an insider in the OM.  “A BOB law is in the make and will probably be presented soon.”

http://amigoe.com/english/

I stand corrected and you are right. I do remember now.

Janet, remember back when Mos said they had an undercover operation on-going? What ever happened to that??? Is he referring to this event with Van Der Eem? or is this a separate thing all together?

[Destiny]

We should e-mail the article to our US media. Hopefully they will pick up on the story again.

I emailed it to the Aruban Press...LOL

I've been emailing everything to the guy covering the case for CNN - Art Harris.

He said ~ "GREAT"!!!!

 

[klaasend]

The Mental Hospital is to provide "evidence" that Joran has a diagnosis that could lead him to fabricate the confession to impress Patrick. Iacky's orchestrated this, IMO.

Is the suit filed in Holland and is that where it will be heard, or will it kick back to Aruba?

Yes, filed in the NL.  I have no idea if it will have any affect on the case in Aruba.

[dennisintn]

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http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/3705073/_Familie_Van_der_Sloot_gedagvaard__.html

Klaas ... the above is a link to the article in Dutch.  Where did the translated copy which you posted come from?  Does Telegraff.nl/ Binnenland have an English link?

Thank you.

Janet
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if they don't have an english language link, google/yahoo translators work pretty good with them. 
dennisintn

[Destiny]

JUST GOT THIS EMAIL FROM ARUBA....PRESS.

Can anyone give me a link to email back...TIA...Destiny

XXXXXXXXX wrote:

> Hi XXXXX
> Do you have this story in Dutch too, so you can send it to me.
> I have heard about it on the radio, but I can't find on the internet.
> If I have some information I will send it to you.
> 
> By XXXXXX

[martini]

O/T sortof:

http://www.dispatch.com:80/live/content/local_news/stories/2008/04/03/NatCenarrest.ART_ART_04-03-08_A1_B69QMOQ.html?type=rss&cat=&sid=101

Rearrested executives deny plot to flee U.S.
1 National Century leader goes AWOL; judge corrals rest
Thursday,  April 3, 2008 3:25 AM
By Jodi Andes

THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH
If former executives of National Century Financial Enterprises were convicted, the plan was for them to flee to Aruba, a source told the FBI.

Hearing that less than a week after one of the five recently convicted executives disappeared, U.S. District Judge Algenon L. Marbley ordered that the rest be arrested.

All five had been free since their March 13 convictions while they await sentencing in what prosecutors called the largest fraud case in U.S. history involving a privately held company.

Four executives were arrested at their homes yesterday morning: James E. Dierker Jr. in Powell; Roger S. Faulkenberry in Dublin; Donald H. Ayers in Florida; and Randolph H. Speer in Georgia, Deputy U.S. Marshal Brian Babtist said.

An arrest warrant was issued for Rebecca S. Parrett last week after she did not report to court near her home in Carefree, Ariz., prosecutors said.

Marbley had allowed Parrett and Ayers to remain free on house arrest; Dierker, Faulkenberry and Speer were free on less-restrictive personal-recognizance bonds and allowed to work.

On Tuesday, the FBI received information from a "confidential source" that the group had a previous plan to flee to the Caribbean island off the Venezuelan coast, Assistant U.S. Attorney Doug Squires said in a motion filed yesterday in federal court.

The defendants had to turn in their passports before the trial. But Parrett went so far as to "secure personal identity information of another person prior to the jury trial," the motion states.

The source is not named, but it is someone the FBI has found to be credible in the past, Squires wrote in asking that their bonds be revoked

(snipped)

Biggest fraud scheme in US history involving a private company. Why Aruba? Is this where they were laundering the money the swindled? That would be my best guess. Oh, and the fact that the courts are corrupt in Aruba helps also.

Interesting that Dierker is vice president @ Victoria's Secret and has their Corp. yacht (Limitless) in the Netherland Antilles. http://www.yachtspotter.com/ysp2_ycard.php?foo=20051224

[Destiny]

JUST GOT THIS EMAIL FROM ARUBA....PRESS.

Can anyone give me a link to email back...TIA...Destiny

XXXXXXXXX wrote:

> Hi XXXXX
> Do you have this story in Dutch too, so you can send it to me.
> I have heard about it on the radio, but I can't find on the internet.
> If I have some information I will send it to you.
> 
> By XXXXXX

Nevermind...they found it...they are trying to make some calls for us about the mental hospital...they are calling Mos' office too...

[klaasend]

JUST GOT THIS EMAIL FROM ARUBA....PRESS.

Can anyone give me a link to email back...TIA...Destiny

XXXXXXXXX wrote:

> Hi XXXXX
> Do you have this story in Dutch too, so you can send it to me.
> I have heard about it on the radio, but I can't find on the internet.
> If I have some information I will send it to you.
> 
> By XXXXXX

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/3705073/_Familie_Van_der_Sloot_gedagvaard__.html

[Buckeye]

Destiny

Posted by caesu on our Dutch thread

http://www.elsevier.nl/ni(...)nr/199996/index.html

[Buckeye]

Destiny

Posted by caesu on our Dutch thread

http://www.elsevier.nl/ni(...)nr/199996/index.html

Try this one:

http://www.elsevier.nl/nieuws/society/artikel/asp/artnr/199996/

[Destiny]

JUST GOT THIS EMAIL FROM ARUBA....PRESS.

Can anyone give me a link to email back...TIA...Destiny

XXXXXXXXX wrote:

> Hi XXXXX
> Do you have this story in Dutch too, so you can send it to me.
> I have heard about it on the radio, but I can't find on the internet.
> If I have some information I will send it to you.
> 
> By XXXXXX

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/3705073/_Familie_Van_der_Sloot_gedagvaard__.html

Thank You Klaas...I'm in the middle of a flurry of emails....my *friend* at Diario is a real go-getter...I would think the Sloots' phone is very busy right about now....LOL

[klaasend]

JUST GOT THIS EMAIL FROM ARUBA....PRESS.

Can anyone give me a link to email back...TIA...Destiny

XXXXXXXXX wrote:

> Hi XXXXX
> Do you have this story in Dutch too, so you can send it to me.
> I have heard about it on the radio, but I can't find on the internet.
> If I have some information I will send it to you.
> 
> By XXXXXX

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/3705073/_Familie_Van_der_Sloot_gedagvaard__.html

Thank You Klaas...I'm in the middle of a flurry of emails....my *friend* at Diario is a real go-getter...I would think the Sloots' phone is very busy right about now....LOL

Thank you Destiny!

[Destiny]

Since the media on Aruba has/had very little info regarding this article...do you think it was a *surprise* to a lot of people?

I'm beginning to think so....

[Buckeye]

Since the media on Aruba has/had very little info regarding this article...do you think it was a *surprise* to a lot of people?

I'm beginning to think so....

MF posted pretty early.........

posted by GBMW this am (here).  Maybe you can see Diario/The News reaction to this:


Johan555 just posted on the Dutch / English thread that he read somewhere that the legal process papers were actually sent to the phsych. facility in Altrecht.

[Destiny]

Since the media on Aruba has/had very little info regarding this article...do you think it was a *surprise* to a lot of people?

I'm beginning to think so....

MF posted pretty early.........

posted by GBMW this am (here).  Maybe you can see Diario/The News reaction to this:


Johan555 just posted on the Dutch / English thread that he read somewhere that the legal process papers were actually sent to the phsych. facility in Altrecht.

OK Buck...just tossed them that bone to chew on...let's see what we get back

[Tamikosmom]

quote from Tomikosmom:

*
Considering the official statement released from the Prosecutor's Office on February 15, 2008 was clear that ... the investigation was ongoing and ... Joran was again a suspect ... I doubt that this lawsuit brought by Beth Holloway could proceed at this time.*

Janet

Janet...I can very well see this filing of the suit by Beth, as a ploy to force Mos' hand in the *waiting* game...this breaks the stalemate....

Destiny

Destiny ... I do not think so.

I believe that Beth realizes that the implication of justice for her daughter has too many far reaching consquences for Aruba.  Justice would expose Joran, Deepak, Satish, Paulus the sons of the elite (pimps), those who assisted in the disposal of Natalee's remains, those in the Aruban/Dutch administrations who were involved in the coverup, the corrupt investigation, the corrupt judges, Excelsior Casino/Carlos 'N Charlies ... establishments that permited an underage Joran on the premises to drink and gamble, the underground economy ... sex trade ... gambling ... drugs ... money laundering ...

Destiny ... in my opinion ... justice for Natalee Holloway is not the objective of the so-called Aruban investigation.

However ... Beth made a pledge to be a voice for her precious Natalee ... her precious Natalee who was denied justice by a corrupt Aruban investigation and ... this amazing woman will do whatever it takes to be heard and ... keep the pressure on Aruba.

The lawsuit may fail but ... Beth's purpose was fulfilled ... her voice was heard once again.

Janet

++++++++++++


Beth Holloway
OPRAH WINFREY SHOW
January 27, 2008

Oprah: So the case, they've said the case is closed, is it closed for you?

Beth: No, it's not closed for us, we've never really relied on an investigative approach to find an answer to Natalee. I think what we've relied on more heavily is that at any given moment something unexpected could happen and we really feel anyone could talk at any moment


A VOICE THAT REFUSES TO BE SILENCED

Beth Twitty
'Scarborough Country'
October 24, 2005

HOLLOWAY-TWITTY:  I met with Prime Minister Oduber. I don‘t care who you put the pressure on, where it comes from, but I want—you need to figure it out. You need to figure out who needs to apply the pressure and where it needs to be applied, because you have to solve this crime. I said, you do not want to turn me loose from this island without an answer.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9813596/


Beth Twitty
'Scarborough Country'
October 24, 2005

TWITTY: I have told Prime Minister Oduber that I will do this, I will be the voice of Natalee for the next 40 years. And I hope I have that long, because I will do it as long as I can.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9813596/


Beth Twitty'
Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
September 14, 2005

TWITTY:  We will keep going back to Aruba over and over again. This is far from over. They know—they have the answers there on the island.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9354188/


Beth Twitty
Scarborough Country

TWITTY:  I think it’s just the side that, you know, I—I will stop at nothing to get answers. There is nothing that I won’t do. There’s nowhere that I won’t go, and there’s nothing—I’m going to ask every question. I don’t care how painful it is. I will do it, because I’m not going to have any regrets.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8885950/


Beth Twitty
Associated Press
September 6, 2005

For the rest of my life, I will continue to be the voice for my daughter, seeking justice in Aruba. Every parent would want the same justice for their child.

http://www.decaturdaily.com/decaturdaily/news/050904/aruba.shtml

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4188/is_20050904/ai_n15330708

[Destiny]

quote from Tomikosmom:

*
Considering the official statement released from the Prosecutor's Office on February 15, 2008 was clear that ... the investigation was ongoing and ... Joran was again a suspect ... I doubt that this lawsuit brought by Beth Holloway could proceed at this time.*

Janet

Janet...I can very well see this filing of the suit by Beth, as a ploy to force Mos' hand in the *waiting* game...this breaks the stalemate....

Destiny

Destiny ... I do not think so.

I believe that Beth realizes that the implication of justice for her daughter has too many far reaching consquences for Aruba.  Justice would expose Joran, Deepak, Satish, Paulus the sons of the elite (pimps), those who assisted in the disposal of Natalee's remains, those in the Aruban/Dutch administrations who were involved in the coverup, the corrupt investigation, the corrupt judges, Excelsior Casino/Carlos 'N Charlies ... establishments that permited an underage Joran on the premises to drink and gamble, the underground economy ... sex trade ... gambling ... drugs ... money laundering ...

Destiny ... in my opinion ... justice for Natalee Holloway is not the objective of the so-called Aruban investigation.

However ... Beth made a pledge to be a voice for her precious Natalee ... her precious Natalee who was denied justice by a corrupt Aruban investigation and ... this amazing woman will do whatever it takes to be heard and ... keep the pressure on Aruba.

The lawsuit may fail but ... Beth's purpose was fulfilled ... her voice was heard once again.

Janet

++++++++++++


Beth Holloway
OPRAH WINFREY SHOW
January 27, 2008

Oprah: So the case, they've said the case is closed, is it closed for you?

Beth: No, it's not closed for us, we've never really relied on an investigative approach to find an answer to Natalee. I think what we've relied on more heavily is that at any given moment something unexpected could happen and we really feel anyone could talk at any moment


A VOICE THAT REFUSES TO BE SILENCED

Beth Twitty
'Scarborough Country'
October 24, 2005

HOLLOWAY-TWITTY:  I met with Prime Minister Oduber. I don‘t care who you put the pressure on, where it comes from, but I want—you need to figure it out. You need to figure out who needs to apply the pressure and where it needs to be applied, because you have to solve this crime. I said, you do not want to turn me loose from this island without an answer.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9813596/


Beth Twitty
'Scarborough Country'
October 24, 2005

TWITTY: I have told Prime Minister Oduber that I will do this, I will be the voice of Natalee for the next 40 years. And I hope I have that long, because I will do it as long as I can.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9813596/


Beth Twitty'
Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
September 14, 2005

TWITTY:  We will keep going back to Aruba over and over again. This is far from over. They know—they have the answers there on the island.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9354188/


Beth Twitty
Scarborough Country

TWITTY:  I think it’s just the side that, you know, I—I will stop at nothing to get answers. There is nothing that I won’t do. There’s nowhere that I won’t go, and there’s nothing—I’m going to ask every question. I don’t care how painful it is. I will do it, because I’m not going to have any regrets.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8885950/


Beth Twitty
Associated Press
September 6, 2005

For the rest of my life, I will continue to be the voice for my daughter, seeking justice in Aruba. Every parent would want the same justice for their child.

http://www.decaturdaily.com/decaturdaily/news/050904/aruba.shtml

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4188/is_20050904/ai_n15330708

You are right Janet...Beth has accomplished her goals.  But I can't give up the hope that someone will be held accountable for what was done to Natalee, and her Family...I just won't give up hope.

Janet...I want to let you know, how much I appreciate your posts.  They are always so well written...that takes a lot of dedication, and time on your part....Thank You!