Natalee Case Discussion #745 3/25 - 4/4/08

[klaasend]

I never listen to the radio but I turned it on this afternoon to a local station.  I turned it on just in time to hear that this station is giving away a trip to Aruba!  This is bad enough but as some of you know I live in the same town as Natalee's aunt, uncles and cousins.  This is a small town and they are business people here!  I just got done sending an informative email to the General Manager of the radio station.  I gave him the website address here and urged him to contact me for more information.  I will be sure that Natalee's family has this information! 

Hi Casa - I agree it's horrible.  Aruba (AHATA) gives these trips to stations, etc. as a marketing ploy to get advertising.  Pretty soon everyone in Aruba will be there on a freebe

[casa]

I never listen to the radio but I turned it on this afternoon to a local station.  I turned it on just in time to hear that this station is giving away a trip to Aruba!  This is bad enough but as some of you know I live in the same town as Natalee's aunt, uncles and cousins.  This is a small town and they are business people here!  I just got done sending an informative email to the General Manager of the radio station.  I gave him the website address here and urged him to contact me for more information.  I will be sure that Natalee's family has this information! 

Standing Ovation for Casa!!!

Thanks, Destiny!  It made me furious!

[Destiny]

Janet...You do have a way with words....sigh...'tis a *gift* you have...very nice post!

The toes?

 

Silly Girl...the Prayer post...but dayummm the toes was funny...all the better to swim with 

[casa]

I never listen to the radio but I turned it on this afternoon to a local station.  I turned it on just in time to hear that this station is giving away a trip to Aruba!  This is bad enough but as some of you know I live in the same town as Natalee's aunt, uncles and cousins.  This is a small town and they are business people here!  I just got done sending an informative email to the General Manager of the radio station.  I gave him the website address here and urged him to contact me for more information.  I will be sure that Natalee's family has this information! 

Hi Casa - I agree it's horrible.  Aruba (AHATA) gives these trips to stations, etc. as a marketing ploy to get advertising.  Pretty soon everyone in Aruba will be there on a freebe

Hi Klaas!  I will be sure and let everyone know if I get a response from him.

[WhiskeyGirl]

So crazy, Joran is showing as online now.

Right, even in the articles they are saying he's been seen playing poker online.

Strange treatment, IMO. Geez! 

Maybe the treatment includes a pool, recliner and laptop?  Just to help him keep up with his classes? 

[SS]

Something just dawned on me.  A while back, Finbar or CAPS gave us a picture of Steve Croes siting in a car, and told us to look at the way his earlobes curl out.  Whoever it was said that this was hereditary and that we should look for someone else who's earlobes curl out.   Well, Rudy Croes has earlobes that curl out just like Steve Croes.  Have we ever determined whether they are related or not?

 

True...the curled earlobes are a genetic trait passed on...hmmmmm....naw.....well maybe...ewwwwwwww

 

My grandmother ... mother ... me and ... my daughter all have two  webbed toes.  The second and middle toe are fused half way up.  My grandmother and mother have passed but ... over the years we have all had lots of laughs over this distinguishable trait (deformity LOL) that identifies us all as related.

Janet

You should read Edward Rutherfords book, London.  He said that the Celts believed that webbed digits and a lock of wild white hair indicated a very special person and they were a sign of good luck.

[Tamikosmom]

Something just dawned on me.  A while back, Finbar or CAPS gave us a picture of Steve Croes siting in a car, and told us to look at the way his earlobes curl out.  Whoever it was said that this was hereditary and that we should look for someone else who's earlobes curl out.   Well, Rudy Croes has earlobes that curl out just like Steve Croes.  Have we ever determined whether they are related or not?

 

True...the curled earlobes are a genetic trait passed on...hmmmmm....naw.....well maybe...ewwwwwwww

 

My grandmother ... mother ... me and ... my daughter all have two  webbed toes.  The second and middle toe are fused half way up.  My grandmother and mother have passed but ... over the years we have all had lots of laughs over this distinguishable trait (deformity LOL) that identifies us all as related.

Janet

You should read Edward Rutherfords book, London.  He said that the Celts believed that webbed digits and a lock of wild white hair indicated a very special person and they were a sign of good luck.

 

Well ... "the lock of wild white hair" does not apply to me.  Every six weeks ... that color rinse assures that it never will.  I have my priority.  I have a choice ... special person ... good luck ... toasted almond hair rinse.  Toasted almond hair rinse wins hand down.

 

Janet

[Tamikosmom]

A walk with my long time neighbour/friend and our respective dogs is where it is at.

Later Monkeys

Janet
3:00 PM

[Rob]

They may be afraid Joran will be extradited to the US is why he is in Germany.  Remember the dude who stuffed his wife in a chest and put her in a closet and fled to Germany? Germany would not allow extradition until it was clear the death penalty was off the table.  The crime occurred in the US or the crime may have occured somewhere else and he and/or wife US citizen.  I have forgotten, but remember him fleeing to Germany.   Jackb

fled to France.

[Destiny]

They may be afraid Joran will be extradited to the US is why he is in Germany.  Remember the dude who stuffed his wife in a chest and put her in a closet and fled to Germany? Germany would not allow extradition until it was clear the death penalty was off the table.  The crime occurred in the US or the crime may have occured somewhere else and he and/or wife US citizen.  I have forgotten, but remember him fleeing to Germany.   Jackb

fled to France.

I remember this story....he killed his wife...and don't remember for sure...but a young son also....I was living at San Fran at the time....was big news there....France was very *protective* of the villians' rights due to the death penalty in the US jurisdiction...so would not extradite him...plus...he was from a wealthy family...State Dept. in the US got involved...it was a big mess....and a huge black eye for France...

[Rob]

I remember this story....he killed his wife...and don't remember for sure...but a young son also....I was living at San Fran at the time....was big news there....France was very *protective* of the villians' rights due to the death penalty in the US jurisdiction...so would not extradite him...plus...he was from a wealthy family...State Dept. in the US got involved...it was a big mess....and a huge black eye for France...

Des, I *think* it was Ira Eichhorn IIRC and it was a girlfriend. I'm too lazy to look it up...so I'll accept that I might be wrong. LOL

[Destiny]

I remember this story....he killed his wife...and don't remember for sure...but a young son also....I was living at San Fran at the time....was big news there....France was very *protective* of the villians' rights due to the death penalty in the US jurisdiction...so would not extradite him...plus...he was from a wealthy family...State Dept. in the US got involved...it was a big mess....and a huge black eye for France...

Des, I *think* it was Ira Eichhorn IIRC and it was a girlfriend. I'm too lazy to look it up...so I'll accept that I might be wrong. LOL

Ding ding ding....ringing bells...I think you are right on!

[klaasend]

TONIGHT ON DANA PRETZER:

www.scaredmonkeysradio.com



Some information on Becca McEvoy:

http://www.wkrg.com/news/article/rebeccas_case_delayed_again/12346/

[Destiny]

TONIGHT ON DANA PRETZER:

www.scaredmonkeysradio.com



Some information on Becca McEvoy:

http://www.wkrg.com/news/article/rebeccas_case_delayed_again/12346/

Klaas...TY for the reminder....You Rock!

[Rob]

TONIGHT ON DANA PRETZER:

Some information on Becca McEvoy:

http://www.wkrg.com/news/article/rebeccas_case_delayed_again/12346/

omg...

[texasmom]

I remember this story....he killed his wife...and don't remember for sure...but a young son also....I was living at San Fran at the time....was big news there....France was very *protective* of the villians' rights due to the death penalty in the US jurisdiction...so would not extradite him...plus...he was from a wealthy family...State Dept. in the US got involved...it was a big mess....and a huge black eye for France...

Des, I *think* it was Ira Eichhorn IIRC and it was a girlfriend. I'm too lazy to look it up...so I'll accept that I might be wrong. LOL

Ding ding ding....ringing bells...I think you are right on!

I remembered right away, she was from Tyler, Texas.

snip:
When Holly Maddux, a former cheerleader from Tyler, Texas, vanished in 1977, Einhorn said she had gone out shopping and never come back.

Eighteen months later, neighbors reported a stench coming from Einhorn's apartment, and Maddux's remains were found. Forensic experts said her skull had been bashed six times.


http://www.cnn.com/US/9902/18/justice.einhorn/

[caesu]

Wow, caesu.  Is the opinion that a civil case can require questioning??  I mean, the opinion of those reading this?  I didn't know a civil trial, in Holland, would enable sworn testimony.  Is there a penalty for lying "under oath"?

Great news! Bram M. has said he wouldn't start this procedure if he wasn't pretty sure they would win (because the family had been through so much he didn't think it would be appropriate to start something they weren't likely to win).They want to gather the evidence for a civil case; it's just the preparation. They must answer the questions asked, so this could also be helpful to the ALE!
But they think Joran is placed in the psychiatric institution Altrecht (if this is true...there are a lots of reports he is in Germany) to be able to skip this kind of questioning.
And yes, there is a penalty for lying under oath; you could go to prison for a couple of months.

Thank you GMBW and Caesu for this latest news. What a better way to get them to testify! Can you tell if Joran being in the psych hospital is still rumor or true? Do you trust this source?

I really have no idea; Germany was mentioned a lot...we've been getting a lot of e-mails about this but no photos to go with it. Also Thailand is mentioned....but again; just rumours!
And the psych hospital isn't allowed to confirm / deny of course. De Telegraaf does give it as a fact though; not with a questionmark in any way. It states he is admitted to an open department of the facility for people with behaviour - phsych. problems. And then they say this might be just tactical; so Bert de Rooij can state Joran isn't capable to answer questions.

Johan555 just posted on the Dutch / English thread that he read somewhere that the legal process papers were actually sent to the phsych. facility in Altrecht.

They may be afraid Joran will be extradited to the US is why he is in Germany.  Remember the dude who stuffed his wife in a chest and put her in a closet and fled to Germany? Germany would not allow extradition until it was clear the death penalty was off the table.  The crime occurred in the US or the crime may have occured somewhere else and he and/or wife US citizen.  I have forgotten, but remember him fleeing to Germany.   Jackb
[/quote]

Joran won't be extradited to the US.
the crime happended on Aruban soil.
the fact that Natalee is a US citizen doesn't get Joran extradited to the US.

only for terrorist are special extradition treaties.

[jackb]

Rob ... there are so many aspect of that Pauw & Witteman interview with Joran that I find very troubling.  I am inclined to believe that Joran was very compliance in regards to the outcome of the video recording revelation ... an outcome that had an objective but ... an outcome that that implied there would be no legal consequences.

Janet

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Joran Van der Sloot
Pauw & Witteman
(Phone Interview/Grandma's house)
February 4, 2008

Joran:  Yes, well everyone will see it this Sunday, ha ha ha , but I can easily proof that what I said is not true, it's a whole lot about nothing ...

Well, I would hate to think Godfather Peter R would do anything that would jeopardize the case. And I have no idea how Joran was going  to proof anything. Van Der Straaten linked him to the area he says he was and during the exact same time. Van Der Straaten nails him with his bogus cell phone triangulation.

Not that I believe any of that and still believe it was all at the Sloot murder compound. But the available evidence nails Joran's ass to the wall. And so much for the abducted twice in one night theory proposed by Anita.

If Joran was being followed by the KLPD or some other investigative body, it is theoretical that Mos did know Patrick was doing something... but he might not know what. He would know Patrick was hanging out with Joran and could even know Patrick had a previous record.... but then again, all the suspects were released when the got their letters. The could not be followed, tapped, or harassed.

hard to know what really happened.

Interesting Mos never mentioned that they were aware of what Peter R was doing when he made all of his statements.

Rob ... the following quote implies the the Dutch knew about Patrick's intentions early on.

However ... I have a quote saved somewhere that quotes Hans Mos.  Hans Mos states that Patrick came to him just prior to the November, 2007 detentions of Joran, Deepak and Satish.  Hans claimed that he told Patrick that the operation would have to be independent of the Prosecutor's office.

I will try to locate that quote.

Janet

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Wednesday, February 06, 2008

Joran and OM talk tomorrow in the Netherlands

ORANJESTAD – The conversation between Joran van der Sloot and the Public Prosecutor (OM) will most probably take place in the Netherlands tomorrow, said Joran’s lawyer Ariean de Bie.  Van der Sloot indicated last Monday that he is willing to be interrogated again by the police. According to Van der Eem, Joran continued to bombard him with email and sms until the day of the disclosure. 

After he had met Joran in a poker game in the casino, Van der Eem had approached the Dutch police last year with the suggestion to unmask him.  Justice questions the fact that he had given himself up.  Due to the fact that there is no law for special powers to investigate (BOB), deploy a civil informant in Aruba is unfortunately impossible, but this is different in the Netherlands.  Using police-informants is possible, but with ‘a lot of trouble’.  “But that is going to change”, said an insider in the OM.  “A BOB law is in the make and will probably be presented soon.”

http://amigoe.com/english/

 

I read that as well.  j/b

[jackb]

I like the looks of that Golf Course in the first picture... it's in the left hand corner... maybe I do notice "stuff" after-all!!! LOL

I guess rooms are not cheap there--unless you are a Vandersloot.  They probably get a discount for families needing the service.   j/b

[dennisintn]

what does "open department" mean in a psychiatric hospital?  it sounds to me like the patients can come and go as they please. 
dennisintn