Natalee Case Discussion #745 3/25 - 4/4/08

[San]

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JUSTICE FOR NATALEE

[hotping]

HiYa Monkeys! Good Night San!

[San]

Thank you everyone for helping me get to page 50.

Have a good night.

[hotping]

Who's gonna pay Deepak well?
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D: Not that I'm afraid. The worst has already happened. I've already come to the worst place, so nothing worse than this can happen, do you understand?  But I know, that when I get outside (be released) then they are going to pay me very well.

D: I've told them to arrest Koen and Sander as well. F***** all of them.  From me, they won't get any hint, as long as the truth keeps hanging. None of them are friends, except for us. Do you get it? Do I get it? (<- this is a Dutch saying when " something doesn't make sense")

The same people who are paying for the Sloot's lawyers.

I am thinking the same..Just wish we knew why they are paying them and protecting them. Is that how Deepak's Family could afford to buy the internet cafe after he was released?

same ppl that gave Steve Croes the dj job at CnC's after he was fired from the tatoo....


nite y'alll keep the faith

I think he bought himself some nice DJ equipment that enabled him to Freelance at any club,that equipment isn't cheap..Probably at least 20k IMO  I always got the feeling that Steve thought of himself as a hero for lying and giving a fake alibi. The timing of his arrest on the 17th doesnt make sense either,since they knew the HI dropoff was a big lie two weeks earlier.

San:I agree with the Hush money but why the hell would anyone other then the Van Der SLoots pay these Punks? Just doesnt make sense if it was just Joran and his Daddy responsible for Natalee's rape and murder. If Natalee was procured for members of the Aruban Govt or a Powerful mobster then that would make sense to never reveal the truth,cover up and pay hush money. For me it makes better sense then Paul VDS blackmailing Rudy Croes and others to pay for there defense and pay off people to lie and risk 10's of millions in Tourism losses.

But OB We still don't know who was at the Sloot's that night and We still don't know who all was involved the 20 other times that a tourist was taken to one of these parties..IMO they are covering for the Sloots to protect their own butts....JMO

[Tamikosmom]

Good Night Monkeys ... this time I mean it.  I have had that Scrabble board set up on the kitchen table for an hour.  Hubby  should have been home by 8:00 PM from a meeting at the church  and ... he just drove up the driveway.

 

Janet
8:45 PM

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Joran van der Sloot
De Zaak Natalee Holloway
Page 179 - 182

Wednesday June 22, 2005

While being transferred from police station to KIA, Deepak and Satish are secretly recorded in a 40min conversation:

D: I'm not going outside much (in prison), since they're asking too much shit.
 
S: When you stay on your own, you'll start to think too much, so don't stay on your own. Talk to people. Play domino.

D: I've told them that they should arrest Freddy as well.

S: The three of us have been arrested, but he just knows the truth.
 
D: I've told them to arrest Koen and Sander as well. f***ing all of them. From me, they won't get any hint, as long as the truth keeps hanging. None of them are friends, except for us. Do you get it? Do I get it? (<- this is a Dutch saying when " something doesn't make sense")

S: I have nothing, there is nothing, nothing from me and I didn't do
anything.
 
D: I'm not afraid of that shit

S: I'm not afraid. I don't worry.
 
D: I want them to get ("find") the girl, so, but preferably alive. But
anyway, if they'll find her dead, yeh, then that's bad luck for the family. But when they find her, they'll know exactly who did it. That's what I all learned from (???). I want them to get her. I know (???)

S: I know where I am. I am close to the truth. I'm always close to the truth.
 
D: I'm not afraid. I do miss mum and all those things. That bores me.

S: Yes.

D: Not that I'm afraid. The worst has already happened. I've already come to the worst place, so nothing worse than this can happen, do you understand? But I know, that when I get outside (be released) then they are going to pay me very well.
 
D: I'm not afraid. It also depends on that f***ing statement. Yeh, since there's one (or a) person who changes his story every time. That (person) has made already six statements, I guess. But they are all pure shit (???) and I'm still in it (here).

S: (???)
 
D: You push (???)
 
S: And by let give to let go (???)

D: It is impossible, swa. When you start that car the whole neighborhood will hear it.

S: Anyway, he seems to know everything better.
 
D: He knows our rule, we trust him as a friend, like a brother to be close with (???)

S: Anyway, bad luck.

D: And I also trusted Freddy like a brother.
 
S: Yes.
 
D: But he also talked shit, that's why we've been arrested.
 
S: What did he say?
 
D: He keeps information behind. You know that Van der Sloot trusts Freddy with his life. Freddy knows what has happened. Freddy knows the truth.
 
S: I know he knows truth

D: Freddy knows, Freddy knows.
 
S: I've just said, Freddy also knows about the story of what happened, ask him.
 
D: Freddy knows

S: Yes, he knows that if that person maybe has told him some details (???) that I don't know, but I also know what that person has told me. That is the first and the story that we made up, that I know (???)
 
D: That boy is also arrested, no. Steve. He has been solved too, so then it's solved too (???)

S: He didn't do a thing.
 
D: It has been solved.

(.)

D: Up till today, I haven't told any shit about him, whether he did
something with the girl or that the chick.
 
S: We've only told the truth
 
D: Yep, because he hasn't told me anything and I don't know it. I'm not gonna lie about him. But the more he talks (??????) I would never never never talk shit about him like: "he did do this or that to the girl", because I don't know.

S: Must just declare the truth

D: I'll never do that. But let him talk shit. I'll never say something
against or about (???) him. Never, just tell the truth. And that's also what I've always declared in my statements. His attorney will point that out to himself. I'll never (falsely) accuse somebody.


Freddy Arambatzis
Witness Statement
De Zaak Natalee Holloway
June 12, 2005

Monday afternoon on the 30th, Joran came to my house.

He told me that the previous day, Sunday, he had befriended a girl in the Holiday Inn casino and that she had invited him to come to Carlos and Charlies that evening. He went and they danced and drank together.

After that he, Deepak Satish and the girl drove off. Her friends saw that. The drove in the direction of the Lighthouse; a white car was behind them and most likely wanted to race Deepak. But that is something Deepak would never do. Joran told me that he fingered and had french kissed the girl while they were driving. He did not say that he had had sex with her.

They drove to the Lighthouse, she wanted to see sharks. But Deepak only drove up to the Lighthouse because his car is very low to the ground and cannot drive up to the North side of Aruba.

The girl had said to Joran that if Deepak and Satish would have lived in her town, they would be slaves.

After that they drove to the hotel. When the girl had pushed open the door of the car, she fell to the ground. Joran wanted to help her but she shoved him away.

The next day, Tuesday May 31st 2005 in the afternoon, I was with Joran at the raquetclub. Joran looked worried. He asked me if I could remember what he had said the previous day about the girl. I told him yes. The girl had gone missing. The FBI had been to his house during the night but he had not been home. His father had called him to find out where he was, Joran said that he was in the Raddison Casino. He told he that after that phone call he was called on the phone by Deepak and that Deepak picked him up a few minutes later. They drove to Joran's house. The FBI and the girls family were at his house. After that Joran told me that Deepak, Satish and himself did not drop off the girl at the Holiday Inn Hotel, but that THE FOUR OF THEM drove to the beach at the north side of the Marriot Hotel. The girl had fallen several times on the way to the beach. Joran told me that at some point she "no longer came around/no longer regained consciousness" and that THEY had left her on the beach. He also told me that he had left his gym/sporting shoes on the beach. After Joran had told me this, I asked him why he had left her there. He answered me that at that moment he had not known what to do. Joran told me that after this HE WAS DROPPED OFF AT HOME BY DEEPAK AND SATISH.Translation Credit: Rammstein[/i]


Joran van der Sloot
De Zaak Natalee Holloway
Page 160/161

After Freddy's second statement on June 13th at 18:30, in which he keeps insisting that I told him the first story already on May 30th, the police confront us as best friends with each other.  Some further statements follow after that.  In the end Freddy states in his 6th and 7th statements (verbatim reports) that I have told him that Natalee went unconscious several times and did not regain consciousness at a certain moment, that I tried to wake her up by shaking her but that but this also did not work.Unofficial Engish translation

[Observer]

But OB We still don't know who was at the Sloot's that night and We still don't know who all was involved the 20 other times that a tourist was taken to one of these parties..IMO they are covering for the Sloots to protect their own butts....JMO

Who else do you think was at the sloots with a bunch of punk kids? Why all this for a jr pimp party that went wrong? Has to be more to this then 6 or so pimps and a gay pimp.IMO

[hotping]

But OB We still don't know who was at the Sloot's that night and We still don't know who all was involved the 20 other times that a tourist was taken to one of these parties..IMO they are covering for the Sloots to protect their own butts....JMO

Who else do you think was at the sloots with a bunch of punk kids? Why all this for a jr pimp party that went wrong? Has to be more to this then 6 or so pimps and a gay pimp.IMO

That's just it We don't know if it was a Jr Pimp party or if Natalee was taken there for Paulus and His friends....Remember not to long ago We were discussing the Casino tape and Paulus and trying to figure out what was on the table in front of Paulus...I've been wondering if it was a cell phone with a camera and Paulus took Natalee's picture then sent it to someone to approve Her...I know it sounds crazy but it is a possibility isn't it....also in the S/S riddles it says something about why did the girl owe money....maybe Natalee did not owe money but..Paulus or Joran did and Natalee was the payment...there are just so many scenarios it makes Your head spin.....  

[Observer]

I agree with ya Hotping..No reason for PVDS to lie about the events at the casino as Natalee wasn't even missing yet. Why deny playing BJ and talking to her? Definite Pre-Meditated events that we haven't been privy to yet. Also a definite event that night..But why Sunday May 30th? Did it all happen because Anita was away? Did they go as far as to say the 10 and 15 year old VDS kids were home so no one would think about any deviant acts at that house? Was Natalee procured for a major cartel member or someone powerful in Aruba? Or was it just random because Natalee was outgoing and fell into there trap? According to the PV'S it seems like Joran and others only had eyes for Natalee.MO

[Hotshot]

Well I took it upon myself to tape that video *******.  We all know he will take it down in a few days.  So when its done uploading, we will have it.  Can a dutch Monkey please translate it for us?  It would be much appreciated   

[hotping]

I agree with ya Hotping..No reason for PVDS to lie about the events at the casino as Natalee wasn't even missing yet. Definite Pre-Meditated events that we haven't been privy to yet. Also a definite event that night..But why Sunday May 30th? Did it all happen because Anita was away? Did they go as far as to say the 10 and 15 year old VDS kids were home so no one would think about any deviant acts at that house?

I think it was definitely premeditated...I don't know if I believe that the younger Sloots were there or not but I do think that Natalee was at the Sloot house when Beth arrived and that possibly she was moved later that night to Lorenzo's house....I think one of Paulus' Judge friends and maybe others could have been there when this all took place and the reason for the big cover up is because this is not the first time that a tourist has been taken on Her last night on Aruba and that everybody knows and everybody has to help with this coverup to protect themselves from allegations in the happenings of other tourist before Natalee...IMO..this was and maybe is an on going thing...on Aruba and the surrounding islands...MO 

[Observer]

Well I took it upon myself to tape that video *******.  We all know he will take it down in a few days.  So when its done uploading, we will have it.  Can a dutch Monkey please translate it for us?  It would be much appreciated   

He's making fun of the confession and in 2 other vids I watched of him they sat around and talked about Natalee. I just hate liars Hotshot,and Pietjezz is just like the others who lie in this case. Nothing in it for him so he will be a dirtbag and help no one except the perps.

[Observer]

I noticed Joran wears that around his neck everytime I see him..What is it a key? I saw it in the Video with Patrick and I also see something on what was supposed to be Joran hiding in Drachum after the De Vries show aired.

[Hotshot]

Well I took it upon myself to tape that video *******.  We all know he will take it down in a few days.  So when its done uploading, we will have it.  Can a dutch Monkey please translate it for us?  It would be much appreciated   

He's making fun of the confession and in 2 other vids I watched of him they sat around and Talked about Natalee. I just hate liars Hotshot and Chris Hodge is just like the others who lie in this case. Nothing in it for him so he will be a dirtbag and help no one except the perps.

I know hes making fun of it all.  but I am going to try to expose him for who he is, and what he did as far as this case goes.  Chris Hodge needs to be questioned.  Why hasnt he been talked to yet?  Why does the FBI not have the videos?  There are alot of whys when it comes to this guy.

[Observer]

Well I took it upon myself to tape that video *******.  We all know he will take it down in a few days.  So when its done uploading, we will have it.  Can a dutch Monkey please translate it for us?  It would be much appreciated   

He's making fun of the confession and in 2 other vids I watched of him they sat around and Talked about Natalee. I just hate liars Hotshot and Chris Hodge is just like the others who lie in this case. Nothing in it for him so he will be a dirtbag and help no one except the perps.

I know hes making fun of it all.  but I am going to try to expose him for who he is, and what he did as far as this case goes.  Chris Hodge needs to be questioned.  Why hasnt he been talked to yet?  Why does the FBI not have the videos?  There are alot of whys when it comes to this guy.

He seems to think the missing video is worth 250k..Am I correct? I just do not understand why the FBI/KLPD do not request that video. From what I remember Pietjezz said he wouldnt send that video to anyone unless the FBI or KLPD picked it up from him personally. I think much of what he knows came from one of his friends in this case and I think he edited the videos to cut out parts and add music. I think his buddy filmed it.

[hotping]

I noticed Joran wears that around his neck everytime I see him..What is it a key? I saw it in the Video with Patrick and I also see something on what was supposed to be Joran hiding in Drachum after the De Vries show aired.

I'm not sure what it is but it could be a key...a whistle...or it could be an epi pen (not sure of spelling) for allergic reactions....

[Observer]

Wheres this video? Seems like this was important also if she sent it to the Authorities in Aruba.
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On June 13 2005 a girl named Jacy from Holland sent a video of the dunes (Rock) area of what appeared to be a polis recovery of a body filmed on 6-10-2005
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Then he placed all the videos on the server. He didn't seem to have a problem with anyone knowing what took place. Then he removed one. The one Jacy and I saw. Why? What was the problem with that video?

a girl from holland keeps pm ing me and talking about an ANDY or AVE..as in street... talking about it for like 6-7 days now...
Posted by Rob: Reply #1056 on: June 17, 2005, 06:22:28 PM »
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[Magnolia]

I noticed Joran wears that around his neck everytime I see him..What is it a key? I saw it in the Video with Patrick and I also see something on what was supposed to be Joran hiding in Drachum after the De Vries show aired.

I'm not sure what it is but it could be a key...a whistle...or it could be an epi pen (not sure of spelling) for allergic reactions....

I always thought the picture in the Automobile was family picking
Joran up for the trip to Germany.

[Observer]

I noticed Joran wears that around his neck everytime I see him..What is it a key? I saw it in the Video with Patrick and I also see something on what was supposed to be Joran hiding in Drachum after the De Vries show aired.

I'm not sure what it is but it could be a key...a whistle...or it could be an epi pen (not sure of spelling) for allergic reactions....

I'M not sure what it is either When I look at it closer it doesn't look like a key or a whistle.MO

[MumInOhio]

Who's gonna pay Deepak well?
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D: Not that I'm afraid. The worst has already happened. I've already come to the worst place, so nothing worse than this can happen, do you understand?  But I know, that when I get outside (be released) then they are going to pay me very well.

D: I've told them to arrest Koen and Sander as well. F***** all of them.  From me, they won't get any hint, as long as the truth keeps hanging. None of them are friends, except for us. Do you get it? Do I get it? (<- this is a Dutch saying when " something doesn't make sense")

The same people who are paying for the Sloot's lawyers.

I am thinking the same..Just wish we knew why they are paying them and protecting them. Is that how Deepak's Family could afford to buy the internet cafe after he was released?

same ppl that gave Steve Croes the dj job at CnC's after he was fired from the tatoo....


nite y'alll keep the faith

I think he bought himself some nice DJ equipment that enabled him to Freelance at any club,that equipment isn't cheap..Probably at least 20k IMO  I always got the feeling that Steve thought of himself as a hero for lying and giving a fake alibi. The timing of his arrest on the 17th doesnt make sense either,since they knew the HI dropoff was a big lie two weeks earlier.

San:I agree with the Hush money but why the hell would anyone other then the Van Der SLoots pay these Punks? Just doesnt make sense if it was just Joran and his Daddy responsible for Natalee's rape and murder. If Natalee was procured for members of the Aruban Govt or a Powerful mobster then that would make sense to never reveal the truth,cover up and pay hush money. For me it makes better sense then Paul VDS blackmailing Rudy Croes and others to pay for there defense and pay off people to lie and risk 10's of millions in Tourism losses.

But OB We still don't know who was at the Sloot's that night and We still don't know who all was involved the 20 other times that a tourist was taken to one of these parties..IMO they are covering for the Sloots to protect their own butts....JMO

Twenty times...for a wild and crazy guy!

From Chapter 3:

page 5:

- Joran and Freddy often went to the beach. He got him in touch with the pretty girls. He said "look there go a few pretty American girls, let's go and talk to them". Joran says Freddy introduced in to the paradise that had always been in front of him. Freddy's English sucked so it was mostly Joran who did the chatting with the girls. Freddy had no inhibitions/hang ups. He did not care if he made an ass of himself. He would be blown for 20 times but then he was lucky the 21st time

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[MumInOhio]

Good Night Monkeys ... this time I mean it.  I have had that Scrabble board set up on the kitchen table for an hour.  Hubby  should have been home by 8:00 PM from a meeting at the church  and ... he just drove up the driveway.

 

Janet
8:45 PM

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Joran van der Sloot
De Zaak Natalee Holloway
Page 179 - 182

Wednesday June 22, 2005

While being transferred from police station to KIA, Deepak and Satish are secretly recorded in a 40min conversation:

D: I'm not going outside much (in prison), since they're asking too much shit.
 
S: When you stay on your own, you'll start to think too much, so don't stay on your own. Talk to people. Play domino.

D: I've told them that they should arrest Freddy as well.

S: The three of us have been arrested, but he just knows the truth.
 
D: I've told them to arrest Koen and Sander as well. f***ing all of them. From me, they won't get any hint, as long as the truth keeps hanging. None of them are friends, except for us. Do you get it? Do I get it? (<- this is a Dutch saying when " something doesn't make sense")

S: I have nothing, there is nothing, nothing from me and I didn't do
anything.
 
D: I'm not afraid of that shit

S: I'm not afraid. I don't worry.
 
D: I want them to get ("find") the girl, so, but preferably alive. But
anyway, if they'll find her dead, yeh, then that's bad luck for the family. But when they find her, they'll know exactly who did it. That's what I all learned from (???). I want them to get her. I know (???)

S: I know where I am. I am close to the truth. I'm always close to the truth.
 
D: I'm not afraid. I do miss mum and all those things. That bores me.

S: Yes.

D: Not that I'm afraid. The worst has already happened. I've already come to the worst place, so nothing worse than this can happen, do you understand? But I know, that when I get outside (be released) then they are going to pay me very well.
 
D: I'm not afraid. It also depends on that f***ing statement. Yeh, since there's one (or a) person who changes his story every time. That (person) has made already six statements, I guess. But they are all pure shit (???) and I'm still in it (here).

S: (???)
 
D: You push (???)
 
S: And by let give to let go (???)

D: It is impossible, swa. When you start that car the whole neighborhood will hear it.

S: Anyway, he seems to know everything better.
 
D: He knows our rule, we trust him as a friend, like a brother to be close with (???)

S: Anyway, bad luck.

D: And I also trusted Freddy like a brother.
 
S: Yes.
 
D: But he also talked shit, that's why we've been arrested.
 
S: What did he say?

D: He keeps information behind. You know that Van der Sloot trusts Freddy with his life. Freddy knows what has happened. Freddy knows the truth.
 
S: I know he knows truth

D: Freddy knows, Freddy knows.
 
S: I've just said, Freddy also knows about the story of what happened, ask him.
 
D: Freddy knows

S: Yes, he knows that if that person maybe has told him some details (???) that I don't know, but I also know what that person has told me. That is the first and the story that we made up, that I know (???)
 
D: That boy is also arrested, no. Steve. He has been solved too, so then it's solved too (???)

S: He didn't do a thing.
 
D: It has been solved.

(.)

D: Up till today, I haven't told any shit about him, whether he did
something with the girl or that the chick.
 
S: We've only told the truth
 
D: Yep, because he hasn't told me anything and I don't know it. I'm not gonna lie about him. But the more he talks (??????) I would never never never talk shit about him like: "he did do this or that to the girl", because I don't know.

S: Must just declare the truth

D: I'll never do that. But let him talk shit. I'll never say something
against or about (???) him. Never, just tell the truth. And that's also what I've always declared in my statements. His attorney will point that out to himself. I'll never (falsely) accuse somebody.


Freddy Arambatzis
Witness Statement
De Zaak Natalee Holloway
June 12, 2005

Monday afternoon on the 30th, Joran came to my house.

He told me that the previous day, Sunday, he had befriended a girl in the Holiday Inn casino and that she had invited him to come to Carlos and Charlies that evening. He went and they danced and drank together.

After that he, Deepak Satish and the girl drove off. Her friends saw that. The drove in the direction of the Lighthouse; a white car was behind them and most likely wanted to race Deepak. But that is something Deepak would never do. Joran told me that he fingered and had french kissed the girl while they were driving. He did not say that he had had sex with her.

They drove to the Lighthouse, she wanted to see sharks. But Deepak only drove up to the Lighthouse because his car is very low to the ground and cannot drive up to the North side of Aruba.

The girl had said to Joran that if Deepak and Satish would have lived in her town, they would be slaves.

After that they drove to the hotel. When the girl had pushed open the door of the car, she fell to the ground. Joran wanted to help her but she shoved him away.

The next day, Tuesday May 31st 2005 in the afternoon, I was with Joran at the raquetclub. Joran looked worried. He asked me if I could remember what he had said the previous day about the girl. I told him yes. The girl had gone missing. The FBI had been to his house during the night but he had not been home. His father had called him to find out where he was, Joran said that he was in the Raddison Casino. He told he that after that phone call he was called on the phone by Deepak and that Deepak picked him up a few minutes later. They drove to Joran's house. The FBI and the girls family were at his house. After that Joran told me that Deepak, Satish and himself did not drop off the girl at the Holiday Inn Hotel, but that THE FOUR OF THEM drove to the beach at the north side of the Marriot Hotel. The girl had fallen several times on the way to the beach. Joran told me that at some point she "no longer came around/no longer regained consciousness" and that THEY had left her on the beach. He also told me that he had left his gym/sporting shoes on the beach. After Joran had told me this, I asked him why he had left her there. He answered me that at that moment he had not known what to do. Joran told me that after this HE WAS DROPPED OFF AT HOME BY DEEPAK AND SATISH.Translation Credit: Rammstein[/i]


Joran van der Sloot
De Zaak Natalee Holloway
Page 160/161

After Freddy's second statement on June 13th at 18:30, in which he keeps insisting that I told him the first story already on May 30th, the police confront us as best friends with each other.  Some further statements follow after that.  In the end Freddy states in his 6th and 7th statements (verbatim reports) that I have told him that Natalee went unconscious several times and did not regain consciousness at a certain moment, that I tried to wake her up by shaking her but that but this also did not work.Unofficial Engish translation

Freddy would have had to talk to ALE before June 9th.2005 for this to have happened. They were not going to arrest the Kalpoes on what Freddy told Joran, in the unseen 5/31 PV, or what he told Guido, who was questioned prior to June 9th.