Natalee Case Discussion #745 3/25 - 4/4/08

[San]

[San]

[San]

[CapsLockWizard]

Very good job again

Now for the Reporter ot The News

the arawaks = the reporter

did the reporter knew Natalee before her dead?

[texasmom]

Caps, this post by Kermit is also interesting:

   Re: Natalee Case Discussion #714 1/20 -
« Reply #733 on: January 24, 2008, 03:36:24 PM » 

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JULIA RENFRO’S OTHER INTERESTS:
Julia Renfro has a variety of interests in Aruba besides being the editor-in-chief of Aruba Today News Magazine and the Photo Journalists for it's sister newpaper Bon Dia.

It seems she is the contact for Windsurfing competition on Aruba.
She is connected to Aruba Travel Guide.
World-wide Travel Guide
Island Temptations.
Aruba Rentals
Sailing
And the ARS Group.
http://arubansecrets.blogspot.com/2005/07/does-julia-renfro-have-vested-interest.html

[CapsLockWizard]

Caps, this post by Kermit is also interesting:

   Re: Natalee Case Discussion #714 1/20 -
« Reply #733 on: January 24, 2008, 03:36:24 PM » 

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JULIA RENFRO’S OTHER INTERESTS:
Julia Renfro has a variety of interests in Aruba besides being the editor-in-chief of Aruba Today News Magazine and the Photo Journalists for it's sister newpaper Bon Dia.

It seems she is the contact for Windsurfing competition on Aruba.
She is connected to Aruba Travel Guide.
World-wide Travel Guide
Island Temptations.
Aruba Rentals
Sailing
And the ARS Group.
http://arubansecrets.blogspot.com/2005/07/does-julia-renfro-have-vested-interest.html

Hands in to much business

for the right price will make hand durty

[Nut44x4]

The other day I came across a list of convictions w/o a body. I could kick my butt for not saving it. If I can find it, I will post it here. You would be amazed if you could see how long the list was!! HUGE!

OH and don’t forget what Karin said>>
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8389319/
Aruba A.G: Prosecution possible without body
‘Difficult but not impossible,’ Janssen says.

“Aruban officials have said previously a murder conviction is possible without a body, but the case requires strong evidence such as a confession, reliable statements and forensic evidence of wrongdoing. Aruba is a Dutch protectorate and as such operates under Dutch law.

[texasmom]

Caps, this post by Kermit is also interesting:

   Re: Natalee Case Discussion #714 1/20 -
« Reply #733 on: January 24, 2008, 03:36:24 PM » 

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JULIA RENFRO’S OTHER INTERESTS:
Julia Renfro has a variety of interests in Aruba besides being the editor-in-chief of Aruba Today News Magazine and the Photo Journalists for it's sister newpaper Bon Dia.

It seems she is the contact for Windsurfing competition on Aruba.
She is connected to Aruba Travel Guide.
World-wide Travel Guide
Island Temptations.
Aruba Rentals
Sailing
And the ARS Group.
http://arubansecrets.blogspot.com/2005/07/does-julia-renfro-have-vested-interest.html

Hands in to much business

for the right price will make hand durty

yes dirty hands, and dirty knees   

[Blonde]

The other day I came across a list of convictions w/o a body. I could kick my butt for not saving it. If I can find it, I will post it here. You would be amazed if you could see how long the list was!! HUGE!

OH and don’t forget what Karin said>>
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8389319/
Aruba A.G: Prosecution possible without body
‘Difficult but not impossible,’ Janssen says.

“Aruban officials have said previously a murder conviction is possible without a body, but the case requires strong evidence such as a confession, reliable statements and forensic evidence of wrongdoing. Aruba is a Dutch protectorate and as such operates under Dutch law.

Well we have  a confession possible dna and I bet he still walks

[hotping]

Caps, this post by Kermit is also interesting:

   Re: Natalee Case Discussion #714 1/20 -
« Reply #733 on: January 24, 2008, 03:36:24 PM » 

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JULIA RENFRO’S OTHER INTERESTS:
Julia Renfro has a variety of interests in Aruba besides being the editor-in-chief of Aruba Today News Magazine and the Photo Journalists for it's sister newpaper Bon Dia.

It seems she is the contact for Windsurfing competition on Aruba.
She is connected to Aruba Travel Guide.
World-wide Travel Guide
Island Temptations.
Aruba Rentals
Sailing
And the ARS Group.
http://arubansecrets.blogspot.com/2005/07/does-julia-renfro-have-vested-interest.html

Hands in to much business

for the right price will make hand durty

yes dirty hands, and dirty knees   

Don't Forget A Dirty Mouth! 

[katiekatie2u]

SO  TEXAS CHIC WHAT HAPPENED TO THE INFO  ON PAUULUS BACKGROUND GO... DOES ANYONE HAVE IT AND ABOUT JORANS YOUNG GIRLFRIEND.. EMAIL ME ILL TELL KLAASEND ITS OK

[klaasend]

SO  TEXAS CHIC WHAT HAPPENED TO THE INFO  ON PAUULUS BACKGROUND GO... DOES ANYONE HAVE IT AND ABOUT JORANS YOUNG GIRLFRIEND.. EMAIL ME ILL TELL KLAASEND ITS OK

I have PVDS's history (prior to the NH case) someplace but can't put my finger on it right now.  Found it.

This is the young girl that Joran was seeing.  She is the one who claimed that her lips where tingling after Joran gave her something to drink:

MARTINA, Karen Theresa Paulina   – Allegedly was in porn video taped by Freddy.  Joran admits to having sex with her multiple times.  Was named by JQK as a date rape victim of Joran, but Tacopina claims she has said it was consensual.



http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=203.0

Paulus van der Sloot:

Van der Sloot, persistent lawyer with principles

The lawyer Paul van der Sloot, that is detained in Aruba in the Natalee Holloway affair is here mostly known for his 20-year fight against the building of a motorway around Boxtel.

Boxtel

Paul van der Sloot is indeed member of a brass band and he goes all out during the carnival, but in Aruba he is mostly known as the serious lawyer for whom the principles of justice always and everywhere comes in first place. 

There was a huge disbelief in Aruba when he was arrested for his alleged involvement in disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Boxtel had experienced him as someone who would always persevere and had a thorough manner of working. 

Paul van der Sloot fought twenty years long (from 1973 until 1993) with local residents against the construction of a southern motorway, that had to be build partly over the estate of the Van der Sloot family. Paul van der Sloot stood his ground and fought civil servants and politicians that had proposed and produced the faulty plans for the new motorway in the Cousil of State. The motorway came eventually but it was not laid through the scenic valuable territory anymore but further away. 

In his birthplace Boxtel, van der Sloot was criticized a lot because while he was fighting the developments of the new motorway,  the dangerous traffic was still led trough Boxel and this was causing accidents and consequently was costing the lives of many people.  Van der Sloot was seen as a fault-finder that to prevent the motorway from being build on part of his land, was willing to sacrifice the lives of the youth who attended the schools in the vicinity of the local dangerous streets. Van der Sloot said later on that the criticism hurt him deeply.

Tilburg

Van der Sloot (53) got his legal education at the University of Tilburg in the seventies. He co-founded the Legal Faculty Association Tilburg and also the faculty newspaper ‘Nondejure'. After he finished his studies he did not went to work for the government, but assisted citizens that had conflicts with the government.  It was in that period in Arnhem, where he met a woman Anita (teacher of Artistic Formation) and it was also there were Joran and Valentijn, two of his three suns, were born.

New job

In 1991 Paul van der Sloot thought it was the time for a new job and he found one in Aruba where he was appointed for five year as a lawyer for the Aruban government. The ministers there were not impressed with his stance  „I always first try to find a compromise. By simply prosecuting nobody gets wiser.  If the authorities do something wrong I will always admit that. You must never interpret the facts differently then what they are.  I am convinced that on the long run this will give better results“, According to Van der Sloot in an interview ten years ago in the Brabants Dagblad. 

After a while Van der Sloot got a different assigment: the government wanted him to only set up contracts. Van der Sloot considered going back to The Netherlands, but he liked the small scale of Aruba and as it appeared he had enough possibilities to continue with his career.  He became cabinets leader for the public ministry and gave classes of Administrative Law at the local university. 

Judge

Two years ago Van der Sloot Ditch got the opportunity to become a judge.  With his background that meant that he had follow a training course of three years.  During that training period, he was appointed as a substitute judge in the Antillean court.  Van der Sloot completed the training period of a year in the Netherlands recently but he has not conducted a court(hearing) yet.


http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/06/paul_van_der_sl_1.html

[Spock]

Guys, I have never seen the news coming this slow before or the forums posting this few pages. Is there anything going on or is this case actually closed?

My personal opinion is Mos has closed the case and he will do nothing more. Afterall, he has released all three as suspects.

Apparently .... the Natalee Holloway case is not officially closed but ... as one of our Monkeys implied ... THE NATALEE HOLLOWAY WAS DETERMINED CLOSED FROM THE GETGO!  Justice for an 18 year old American citizen was never the objective of the Aruban investigation.

Janet

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http://www.amigoe.com/english/   02/15/2008

No custody for Van der Sloot

ORANJESTAD – After the Public Prosecutor appealed the decision of the examining magistrate not to detain Joran van der Sloot, the Common Court of Justice of the Neth.Antilles and Aruba announced yesterday evening that Joran van der Sloot will not be arrested again in the Holloway-case.

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The OM has no statutory remedies left against the decision.  The investigation in the Holloway-case will continue with 25 detectives working on it and Van der Sloot remains the suspect.  The OM will decide on further prosecution of Van der Sloot after they are done with the investigation.

Janet, This case has been officially closed.

The three have been released from suspision and are no longer suspects. They cant be listened to, followed, their friends cant be talked to. It is closed for Joran, Deepak, and Satish. They cant be questioned, the police cant even think of following them or asking them anything. They are cleared.

The three hold a Judges writ, releasing them from suspision, clearing them of the crime, and forbidding the prosecutor from doing anything at all. It is closed.

I know it is fuzzy -- but, I think Joran was put back on "Suspect" status again after his "confession" -- the judge only ruled that he could not be detained "pre-trial."

wreck and Spock ... nothing fuzzy to me.  Following the court’s decision in February that the Devries video tape was not sufficient evidence to detain Joran … the Prosecutor’s Office declared that the case was still officially open and … Joran was once again a suspect.

I contend that Aruba will never close the the Natalee Holloway case ... it will become a cold case.

Think about it.  If the Natalee Holloway case is closed ... the FBI and the family will have access to all documents/evidence and ... ARUBA IS NEVER GOING TO LET THAT HAPPEN!

Janet

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No custody for Van der Sloot
02/15/2008

The OM has no statutory remedies left against the decision. The investigation in the Holloway-case will continue with 25 detectives working on it and Van der Sloot remains the suspect. The OM will decide on further prosecution of Van der Sloot after they are done with the investigation.

http://www.amigoe.com/english/


February 15, 2008
Court of Appeal upholds lower judge’s decision not to detain J.v.d.S.
J.v.d.S remains prime suspect
Judicial investigation continues

On the pre-trial detention issue the Code of criminal procedure does not provide for further appeals. The effect of the Court decision is that J.v.d.S. cannot be (re)arrested. The investigation of the Natalee Holloway case continues. J.v.d.S. is again the prime suspect.

At the end of the investigation the Office of the Public Prosecution will decide whether to charge or not

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2605.msg350819#msg350819

Nope, Joran is NO LONGER a suspect. He cant be a suspect without a rearrest. He is cleared.

[CapsLockWizard]

Very good job again

Now for the Reporter ot The News

the arawaks = the reporter

did the reporter knew Natalee before her dead?

Now for (Julia Renfro’s) , I need to know if Julia know Natalee before her dead or she came to help just looking after Natalee was gone missing.

It important!

[texasmom]

SO  TEXAS CHIC WHAT HAPPENED TO THE INFO  ON PAUULUS BACKGROUND GO... DOES ANYONE HAVE IT AND ABOUT JORANS YOUNG GIRLFRIEND.. EMAIL ME ILL TELL KLAASEND ITS OK

Sorry it took a while, but I didn't have any of the links handy, had to go find them:  Thanks Klaas, that was the next one I was going for!I was unable to locate any immediate family connections but the best information about PVDS family I've seen is a post by Blonde that SS sent me to here:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2605.msg350100#msg350100
SS was able to locate more geneology information than I did and this is a link she provided, lots of interesting stuff there but it doesn't go as far as the immediate family.
http://www.vandersloot.com/vandersloothistory/english/default.htm
As far as JVDS' girlfriend, I'm not sure which one you're referring to, and I don't believe I have anything saved on any of his girlfriends.

[Rob]

I agree with Spock... they are free pending new evidence. Free to go where they choose, free to rape and murder again.

free

[CapsLockWizard]

Hey Monkeys it me again

There was a DEA in the game, any name to connect it to..

[San]

I agree with Spock... they are free pending new evidence. Free to go where they choose, free to rape and murder again.

free

And free for them to be murdered also.

[klaasend]

Hey Monkeys it me again

There was a DEA in the game, any name to connect it to..

I believe the name is Eric Williams and he is allegedly a friend of Julia Renfro's.

[klaasend]

Very good job again

Now for the Reporter ot The News

the arawaks = the reporter

did the reporter knew Natalee before her dead?

Now for (Julia Renfro’s) , I need to know if Julia know Natalee before her dead or she came to help just looking after Natalee was gone missing.

It important!

Caps - hard to say if Renfro knew Natalee before the night of May 29th.  We would have no way of knowing for sure.