Natalee Case Discussion #745 3/25 - 4/4/08

[GBMW]

Morning Bro! The good news here is that there will be follow-up questions to bring out the lies rather than ignoring them.

Paulus knows he's going to actually have to answer questions this time and Good Morning to you. Holland better re-enforce the dykes!!!

Shades of the OJ civil trial where he was convicted. I can't wait to see Bram asking where the hell Joran's missing statements are, lol. I would also like to see Van der Straten, Jannsen and Jacobs summoned. Maybe Peter is working on the corruption angle.

It's not a trial; he's only allowed to ask questions. Don't know if he is allowed to get his hands on the files of the ALE (this being for a civil case & the still ongoing investigation)?

[klaasend]

* Mosko: Kalpoe brothers also summoned - for cross-examination about alibi provided for Joran

* Joran is indeed staying at Altrecht, Den Dolder - as reported by tabloid Privé

* Mosko: in civil case there is no absolute right to keep silent

* Mosko: Peter R. and Patrick also summoned to show there is no doubt possible about the undercover operation.

all this from Telegraaf newspaper
http://www.telegraaf.nl/

   Wow, how early do I have to get up?  I just saw some of this posted at RU and was going to post here!

Great news!

[MumInOhio]

* Mosko: Kalpoe brothers also summoned - for cross-examination about alibi provided for Joran

* Joran is indeed staying at Altrecht, Den Dolder - as reported by tabloid Privé

* Mosko: in civil case there is no absolute right to keep silent

* Mosko: Peter R. and Patrick also summoned to show there is no doubt possible about the undercover operation.

all this from Telegraaf newspaper
http://www.telegraaf.nl/

   Wow, how early do I have to get up?  I just saw some of this posted at RU and was going to post here!

Great news!

Good Morning Klaas...that would explain people coming out of their hidey holes...LOL

I think we through about 4 pages already today!

[Buckeye]

Rob

Lots in the back of the mind.  I think the "almost" request was who would have a trap that size?  I am curious regarding the contents but also feel that those that should know, somehow do know.

[Rob]

* Mosko: Kalpoe brothers also summoned - for cross-examination about alibi provided for Joran

* Joran is indeed staying at Altrecht, Den Dolder - as reported by tabloid Privé

* Mosko: in civil case there is no absolute right to keep silent

* Mosko: Peter R. and Patrick also summoned to show there is no doubt possible about the undercover operation.

all this from Telegraaf newspaper
http://www.telegraaf.nl/

   Wow, how early do I have to get up?  I just saw some of this posted at RU and was going to post here!

Great news!

Good Morning Klaas...that would explain people coming out of their hidey holes...LOL

I think we through about 4 pages already today!

Good Morning Klaas...

Mum, they are probably all over at MIP6's dungeon wondering if they are all going to be subpoenaed too. 

[Buckeye]

I do believe it is interesting that you (Klaas) woke up about the time MF woke up.....almost like an alarm clock....

[Rob]

Rob

Lots in the back of the mind.  I think the "almost" request was who would have a trap that size?  I am curious regarding the contents but also feel that those that should know, somehow do know.

Buckeye, did you see any denim? I didn't, but that doesn't mean anything... I sometimes miss stuff right in front of my eyes.

I hope that there is something to whatever was in that trap.

Funny how all the stuff we see turns out to be something else.....:::shrugs shoulders:::...

[Rob]

There is actually one thing that could make today just a little better..

Yep, the Kalpokes getting their case tossed out!!!

[klaasend]

I do believe it is interesting that you (Klaas) woke up about the time MF woke up.....almost like an alarm clock....

 

[Spock]

Before you get too excited about the civil suit, keep in mind:

A Dutch Judge will have to determine if conditions for the suit have merit
Typically,motions to dismiss, will take a year to work though
The discovery phase will generally last a second year
Pretrial motions will take you to the third year
Even at that point the case can be dismissed
Most civil cases are settled out of court

FYI

 

[GBMW]

Wow, caesu.  Is the opinion that a civil case can require questioning??  I mean, the opinion of those reading this?  I didn't know a civil trial, in Holland, would enable sworn testimony.  Is there a penalty for lying "under oath"?

Great news! Bram M. has said he wouldn't start this procedure if he wasn't pretty sure they would win (because the family had been through so much he didn't think it would be appropriate to start something they weren't likely to win).They want to gather the evidence for a civil case; it's just the preparation. They must answer the questions asked, so this could also be helpful to the ALE!
But they think Joran is placed in the psychiatric institution Altrecht (if this is true...there are a lots of reports he is in Germany) to be able to skip this kind of questioning.
And yes, there is a penalty for lying under oath; you could go to prison for a couple of months.

Thank you GMBW and Caesu for this latest news. What a better way to get them to testify! Can you tell if Joran being in the psych hospital is still rumor or true? Do you trust this source?

I really have no idea; Germany was mentioned a lot...we've been getting a lot of e-mails about this but no photos to go with it. Also Thailand is mentioned....but again; just rumours!
And the psych hospital isn't allowed to confirm / deny of course. De Telegraaf does give it as a fact though; not with a questionmark in any way. It states he is admitted to an open department of the facility for people with behaviour - phsych. problems. And then they say this might be just tactical; so Bert de Rooij can state Joran isn't capable to answer questions.

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Johan555 just posted on the Dutch / English thread that he read somewhere that the legal process papers were actually sent to the phsych. facility in Altrecht.

[Nut44x4]

Great news!

Thanks GBMW and caesu! Under oath, after all this time, i can't believe it.

Do you think Bram has been in contact with Mos? Would Bram have done this if the investigation was still alive?

These people are not going to tell the truth, no matter what. Under Oath or not...period.

[Buckeye]

Rob

Lots in the back of the mind.  I think the "almost" request was who would have a trap that size?  I am curious regarding the contents but also feel that those that should know, somehow do know.

Buckeye, did you see any denim? I didn't, but that doesn't mean anything... I sometimes miss stuff right in front of my eyes.

I hope that there is something to whatever was in that trap.

Funny how all the stuff we see turns out to be something else.....:::shrugs shoulders:::...

Other than a nice green hue....I saw absolutely nothing........I see nothing but blurs in Carpe's pics and can't understand what jack even says about pictures.  I am definitely NOT the picture person.  My opinion is useless for photo discussion. 

[MumInOhio]

Great news!

Thanks GBMW and caesu! Under oath, after all this time, i can't believe it.

Do you think Bram has been in contact with Mos? Would Bram have done this if the investigation was still alive?

These people are not going to tell the truth, no matter what. Under Oath or not...period.

Good Morning Nut....no conscience

Thanks ....GBMW and Johan 555...

[Rob]

Great news!

Thanks GBMW and caesu! Under oath, after all this time, i can't believe it.

Do you think Bram has been in contact with Mos? Would Bram have done this if the investigation was still alive?

These people are not going to tell the truth, no matter what. Under Oath or not...period.

I was just wondering about you Nut and here you are!!!!

[Rob]

Rob

Lots in the back of the mind.  I think the "almost" request was who would have a trap that size?  I am curious regarding the contents but also feel that those that should know, somehow do know.

Buckeye, did you see any denim? I didn't, but that doesn't mean anything... I sometimes miss stuff right in front of my eyes.

I hope that there is something to whatever was in that trap.

Funny how all the stuff we see turns out to be something else.....:::shrugs shoulders:::...

Other than a nice green hue....I saw absolutely nothing........I see nothing but blurs in Carpe's pics and can't understand what jack even says about pictures.  I am definitely NOT the picture person.  My opinion is useless for photo discussion. 

Carpe has terrific eyes. He really does. Everyone has their own talents and it's all good!!!!

[Rob]

Before you get too excited about the civil suit, keep in mind:

A Dutch Judge will have to determine if conditions for the suit have merit
Typically,motions to dismiss, will take a year to work though
The discovery phase will generally last a second year
Pretrial motions will take you to the third year
Even at that point the case can be dismissed
Most civil cases are settled out of court

FYI

From Johan555 in the rebound thread.

http://Http://www.elsevier.nl/ni (...) nr/199996/index.html
Quote:
The entire family of Joran van der Sloot is summoned in the coming days..
Joran and his parents must appear before the court in order to be heard
under oath about their role during and after the disappearance of Natalee
Holloway.
The summonses are part of a series injunction, which the struggles of the
mother of Natalee now officially has begun. Mother Beth Twitty requires a
substantial damages from Joran van der Sloot. She is assisted by Bram
Moszkowicz and Roger Schmidt.
That has now advocatenkoppel summonses to prepare for virtually everyone
concerned, including 'undercover' Patrick van der Eem. By getuigenverhoren
under oath they will gather evidence needed for it to enter civil lawsuit
against Van der Sloot. Twitty demands satisfaction for the "shockschade"
Joran it has carried out.
She is convinced that he was involved in the disappearance of her daughter.
Therapy
"During the questioning, the witnesses required answers to all the
questions," says Moszkowicz. "There is no absolute right to remain silent,
as in criminal law. This will allow questioning for justice also
interesting. "
Joran van der Sloot seems to be questioning want to escape. He has been held
under treatment at the psychiatric institution Altrecht. On an open division
in Den Dolder he gets therapy for people who are stuck in everyday life "and
suffering from 'behavioural and psychiatric problems."
The recording may be a deliberate move. Jorans lawyer, mr Bert de Rooij, can
argue that his client "not in a position to respond." Van der Sloot is under
his schuilnamen again in many pokersites reported.
Apart from Paul van der Sloot father and mother Anita will also summonses to
the two brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, both long-time information as co
were seen. Moskowicz want them to a cross-topics on the application by Joran
to him, shortly after Holloways disappearance of a false alibi.
Further summonses to go undercover Patrick van der Eem and misdaadjournalist
Peter R. De Vries. They will be interrogated about the undercoveractie where
Joran known the 18-year-old to have dumped into the sea. "By them as
witnesses to carry, there is no debate about the legality of the operation,"
says Moszkowicz.
Telegraaf

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-maybe this will move a little faster than what we are used to here in the states?

[klaasend]

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/3705073/_Familie_Van_der_Sloot_gedagvaard__.html

[Rob]

If the court knew where to serve the process papers, does anyone think it's possible that a court ordered psychiatric evaluation was initiated?

Kind of like getting a pre-trial evaluation of the defendants mental state? is he fit to stand trial? Those evaluations seem like they are 25 + days when ordered here. But I don't know the official evaluation period.

[klaasend]

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