Natalee Case Discussion #746 4/4 - 4/11/08

[Destiny]

This is what I gather from the Aruban papers.  Yesterday 3 family members were killed by I believe it was the son.  The family name is Lampe.  I believe one of those killed was Edvard Lampe of Top 95fm.   The family is known by all and it's a shock in Aruba:

That is terrible for any family. I am sure it will be thoroughly investigated and the perpertrator brought to justice.

According to Glenda at RU it was the 29 year old son that killed them and he has confessed to it.

I need to check my notes...but was this the radio station that started the *rumor* that Joran was in a psych hospital?...or, was it Hit 94fm...need to find my note pad...yes...I still write down all my notes on...paper...gasp!

I'm pretty sure it was Top 95 that first reported Joran was in the psych hospital.

Destiny ... I do not believe it was a rumor.  Other Aruban publications are now reporting that Joran is in a psych hospital.

Janet

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http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_41150.php

Through google translator:

Lawyer Moszkowicz dagvaart Joran and parents
April 3, 2008, 17:56 (GMT -04:00)

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   ORANJESTAD / AMSTERDAM - Joran van der Sloot and his parents sued the coming days. They must appear before the court in order to be heard under oath about their role during and after the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. That message De Telegraaf today.

The summonses are part of a series injunction in the civil case that the mother of Natalee Holloway, Beth Reynolds in the Netherlands has begun. They require a substantial compensation and satisfaction for the "shockschade" that Joran van der Sloot it has carried out. She is convinced that he was involved in the disappearance of her daughter.

Beth Reynolds is assisted by Bram Moszkowicz and Roger Schmidt. It has advocatenkoppel summonses to prepare for virtually all 'stakeholders', including Patrick van der Eem, Peter R. De Vries and the brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe.

"During the questioning, the witnesses required answers to all the questions," says Moszkowicz in the article in De Telegraaf. "There is no absolute right to remain silent, as in criminal law. This will allow hearings for Justice also interesting. "

According to the reporters, Joran voluntarily under treatment of the psychiatric institution Altrecht in Den Dolder. He would stay in an open section and therapy for people who are stuck in everyday life and suffer from 'behavioural and psychiatric problems. " It has been suggested that the possible inclusion is a deliberate move to Jorans lawyer, Bert de Rooij, argued that his client may not be able to answer. Van der Sloot would under his schuilnamen again at various pokersites are identified.

The summons for Patrick van der Eem and misdaadjournalist Peter R. De Vries wants Moszkowicz reach to see an end to the debate on the legality of the undercover operation.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2745.msg370675#msg370675

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http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/3705073/_Familie_Van_der_Sloot_gedagvaard__.html

Translation:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2745.msg370419#msg370419

This was confirmed to me by Diario days ago...Basterd in hiding!!!

Thanks Janet....I love board games too    Have you ever played Othello...the game with black and white stones?...big fun!

[Destiny]

Old...but worth revisiting...IMHO....translated by Google...

http://www.korps-politie-suriname.com/nieuws/nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal/archief%20nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal/2007/2007-05-nieuwsbronnen-internationaal/2007-05-nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal.htm


*KLAAS*...If I busted the seams with this web addy...Please fix it for me...and sorry

‘Strafrechtelijk onderzoek nog in volle gang’ "Criminal investigations are still in full swing '

Politie en vrijwilligers staan klaar voor een van de grote zoekacties naar de verdwenen tiener in juni 2005. Police and volunteers are ready for one of the major searches for the missing teenager in June 2005.
ORANJESTAD — Het was gisteren precies twee jaar geleden dat de 18-jarige Amerikaanse studente Natalee Holloway verdween. ORANJESTAD - It was exactly two years ago yesterday that the 18-year old American student Natalee Holloway disappeared. Het strafrechtelijk onderzoek is nog in volle gang. The criminal investigation is still in full swing.

“Het belang van het ophelderen van een waarschijnlijk gepleegd misdrijf weegt op tegen het nadeel dat een verdachte ondervindt van de onzekere uitkomst van nog te verrichten opsporingsonderzoek”, aldus het Openbaar Ministerie (OM). "The importance of elucidating probably committed a crime weighs against the disadvantage that a suspect because of the uncertain outcome of further investigations to be carried out," according to the Public Prosecution Service (OM).

De hoofdverdachte in de zaak, Joran van der Sloot, zei eind april naar aanleiding van het verschijnen van zijn boek dat in mei bekend wordt of het onderzoek wordt gesloten, omdat de gebruikelijke duur bij strafzaken twee jaar is. The main accused in the case, Joran van der Sloot, said at the end of April following the publication of his book in May known whether the investigation is closed, because the usual duration in criminal two years. Het OM laat weten dat het uitgangspunt bij strafzaken in Eerste Aanleg inderdaad is dat behandeling en vonnis plaatsvinden binnen twee jaar nadat de ‘redelijke termijn’ is begonnen. The OM know that the key to criminal cases in first instance indeed is that treatment and judgement take place within two years after the "reasonable time" has begun.

Die redelijke termijn begint op het moment dat een verdachte redelijkerwijze kan aannemen dat hij vervolgd zal worden. That reasonable period begins at the time a suspect can reasonably assume that he will be prosecuted. Dit is niet vastgelegd in een specifieke regel, maar het begin van de redelijke termijn kan zijn wanneer de verdachte in verzekering wordt gesteld of wanneer een gerechtelijk vooronderzoek tegen de verdachte wordt geopend. This is not defined in a specific rule, but the beginning of the period may have been reasonable when the suspect insurance is made or when a judicial investigation against the suspect opens. “Beide mogelijkheden hebben zich in deze strafzaak voorgedaan”, aldus het OM. "Both possibilities have arisen in these criminal proceedings," according to the PPS. Van der Sloot is op 9 juni 2005 in verzekering gesteld. Van der Sloot on June 9, 2005 in insurance.

In principe zou het onderzoek naar en de behandeling van de zaak tegen hem op deze datum moeten zijn afgerond. In principle, it would be research into and treatment of the case against him on this date must be completed. Maar volgens het OM zijn er omstandigheden waardoor de duur van strafzaken meer dan twee jaar kan bedragen, “zonder dat gezegd kan worden dat die duur onredelijk lang is”. But according to the PPS there are circumstances in which the duration of criminal cases more than two years amounts, "without being told that they can be expensive unreasonably long". Omstandigheden zijn de ingewikkeldheid van de zaak, de invloed van de verdachte en/of zijn raadsman op het procesverloop en de wijze waarop de zaak door de bevoegde autoriteiten is behandeld. Conditions are the complexity of the case, the influence of the suspect and / or his counsel on the procedure and the manner in which the case by the competent authorities.

VERJARING ZASTARANJE

De redelijke termijn voor het onderzoek en de afhandeling van de strafzaak begint volgens OM dus niet te lopen op de dag van het delict. The reasonable deadline for the investigation and handling of the trial begins according to OM is not to run from the date of the incident. Wel begint een dag na de datum waarop een ‘vermoedelijk strafbaar feit’ is gepleegd de verjaringstermijn. However, it starts a day after the date on which a suspected criminal offence is committed, the limitation period.
Het ministerie benadrukt dat deze twee termijnen duidelijk van elkaar gescheiden moeten worden. The Ministry stressed that these two periods clearly have to be separated. Voor een levensdelict is de verjaringtermijn overigens twaalf jaar en voor moord achttien jaar. For a levensdelict the verjaringtermijn incidentally twelve years for murder and the age of eighteen. “Als het in februari voorgestelde nieuwe Arubaanse Wetboek van Strafrecht wordt ingevoerd, zal moord bovendien nimmer verjaren.” "If the Aruban in February proposed new penal code is introduced, it will never murder also barred."

Vanaf dat moment zal een verdachte van moord kunnen worden vervolgd, ook als de verdachte al een aantal jaren onderwerp van opsporing en vervolging is geweest.”, aldus het OM. From that moment, a murder suspect can be prosecuted, even if the suspect is already a number of years subject of investigation and prosecution has been. "Said the PPS. (Amigoe/foto: Mirte de Rozario.) (Amigoe / photo: Mirte de Rozario.)

Oh POOP!   the google translation didn't copy to my post...Mea Culpa....

[Tamikosmom]

This was confirmed to me by Diario days ago...Basterd in hiding!!!

Thanks Janet....I love board games too    Have you ever played Othello...the game with black and white stones?...big fun!

 

Destiny ... I received Othello at Christmas from a friend but ... I have yet to open the box.

I hate learning a new game.  It is such a frustrating experience for me.  I am just  fine once I catch on but ... I am so slow at learning.
 
However ... maybe next week I will open Othello and ... have a boo.  Thanks for the reminder.

Janet

[Tamikosmom]

Good Night Monkeys.

Grandson (4) and Grandaughter (6) are suppose to be spending the weekend for Mama and Papa.  However ... their Uncle and Auntie (youngest son and wife) took them tobogganing up the local mountain today and ... they just arrived back.

After the kids are tucked tucked in and ... a game of Scrabble is where it is at for the four of us.

Good Night Monkeys.

Janet
8:40 PM

[Destiny]

This was confirmed to me by Diario days ago...Basterd in hiding!!!

Thanks Janet....I love board games too    Have you ever played Othello...the game with black and white stones?...big fun!

 

Destiny ... I received Othello at Christmas from a friend but ... I have yet to open the box.

I hate learning a new game.  It is such a frustrating experience for me.  I am just  fine once I catch on but ... I am so slow at learning.
 
However ... maybe next week I will open Othello and ... have a boo.  Thanks for the reminder.

Janet

Sweet Janet...considering what you do here...I think you just might find Othello...addicting...or not...Have fun, and let me know what you think of it!

[Destiny]

Seems like *one crappy island* doesn't turn in *certain* statistics...like HIV/AIDS....

http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:Y2XTwAKmWVAJ:www.prb.org/Countries/Aruba.aspx+HIV+statistics+aruba&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=us

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[Lala'sMom]

Hey Destiny...I see you are up late tonight.  Looking for people to call?

Did you get those cookies baked?

[SS]

Hey Destiny...I see you are up late tonight.  Looking for people to call?

Did you get those cookies baked?

LaLa - There's a present for you on the Shango thread.

[Lala'sMom]

Hey Destiny...I see you are up late tonight.  Looking for people to call?

Did you get those cookies baked?

LaLa - There's a present for you on the Shango thread.

uh oh!!

[Destiny]

Hey Destiny...I see you are up late tonight.  Looking for people to call?

Did you get those cookies baked?

In the oven now...chokke chips added per your suggestion  

Just give me a number...and what you want asked 

[Katherine]

I've translated the quote with a reference to the case:

Deze week vroeg mijn fractiegenoot Raymond de Roon om een spoeddebat naar aanleiding van de opzienbarende ontwikkelingen rond de verdwijning van Natalee Holloway. Het verzoek werd door de andere partijen afgewezen. Heel Nederland praat erover, maar de Tweede Kamer zwijgt. Weer een schoolvoorbeeld van de enorme kloof tussen de burgers en de Haagse politiek.

This week my colleage Raymond Boon requested an urgent (not the right translation...it's a kind of debat that isn't scheduled) debat because of the dramatic developments surrounding the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. The request was rejected by the other parties. Everybody in the Netherlands is talking about it but the political side stays silent. Another example of the huge gap between the people and the Hague politics.

GMBW, is the a blogger or public figure that is accusing the politicians of ignoring the Natalee Holloway case?

Geert Wilders wrote that.

Geert Wilders (born 6 September 1963) is a Dutch politician. He has been a member of the Dutch Parliament since 1998, first for the People's Party for Freedom and Democracy and from 2006 on the Party for Freedom, a party which he founded and of which he is the political leader.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geert_Wilders

Thanks Caesu! So Geert wrote that. He is giving them hell isn't he? So tell me, this is probably a stupid question, what happens if the present leaders are voted out. Is that kind of like a change in political party control like happens here in the U.S. or is there a different sytem for gaining control?

if the government gets voted out there will be new elections within 3 months.
in the meantime the government stays on (as a kind of lame-duck government) to handle the daily affairs, but new legislation cannot be adopted.
(only temporal emergency legislation)

main difference with USA is that there are always coalition governments.
meaning two or more parties are in the government. not a two party system like in the USA.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coalition_government
now the government consists of labour, christian democrats and christian union.

but due to a lot of instability and confusion, distrust and more everything is changing.
as a result of that there are many more parties now.
this started with pim fortuyn in 2001, but he got assassinated.
believe it or not, but now there even is a party for the animals - advocating animal rights.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_for_the_Animals

the parliament knows that if there are elections now it will be virtually impossible to form a new government.
that's why i think the parliament is giving the goverment a free pass, and the government doesn't get voted out.
the government should have been voted out months ago. earlier governments were voted away for much less.

so the bigger political parties look at the polls, and if they don't benefit from an new election - they don't vote the government out.
as a result of this, the protest-parties like geert wilders PVV (there are a few more) are gaining even more support. because the people are getting fed up with the government more and more. left, right and centre.
and funny thing is, the more support those protest-parties get - the more difficult it will be to form a new government!

that's it in a nutshell i think. but there are for sure more factors at play.

but this cannot go on for much longer. at some point something has to snap.

first i thought the joran-corruption-aruba/antilles-scandal could do that.
then i hoped the iraq-war could do it (there were questions about the legality of the dutch participation)
but now i hope the wilders-fitna-anti-quran-film will do that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitna_%28film%29

Caesu,

I always love your posts about the politics and govt there!  And I thought our parties were over the top!  I can't imagine what it would be like if we added religion into the mix as major party affiliations.  We can barely get through an election with only two secular ones!  But, trust me, if it wasn't so outrageously expensive to run for office here, we'd have an animal right's party, too.  I saw the financial numbers yesterday:  This presidential race is projected to cost over $1 billion dollars!  Right now it's estimated that the 3 major candidates are spending an average of $2 million each per week. Unbelievable. I guess it's a good thing that you couldn't pay most of us enough to take the job!  We all talk like we could do a better job than they do, but truth is, I don't think there is a more difficult job in this country.

[Destiny]

Hey Destiny...I see you are up late tonight.  Looking for people to call?

Did you get those cookies baked?

LaLa - There's a present for you on the Shango thread.

uh oh!!

Ooooooooooh...dontcha just lurve *presents*...gotta go see whatcha got Lalas'...wooo hooooo!

[Destiny]

Hey Destiny...I see you are up late tonight.  Looking for people to call?

Did you get those cookies baked?

LaLa - There's a present for you on the Shango thread.

uh oh!!

Ooooooooooh...dontcha just lurve *presents*...gotta go see whatcha got Lalas'...wooo hooooo!

WOW!...Shango thread is...rockin' an rollin'.....

[katrien]

http://misdaad.aktueel.nu/doorbraak_in_zaak_holloway.html

MISDAAD.AKTUEEL.NU
 
Nieuws vanaf Aruba. Ik doel daarbij niet op het gezinsdrama in Santa Cruz waarbij een drugsverslaafde zijn ouders en broer ombracht, maar op de zaak Natalee Holloway.
Alle hoop van het team dat de bekentenissen van Joran van der Sloot onderzoekt is gevestigd op een spoortje dat leidt naar een man, die wegens een drugsdelict vastzit in de Verenigde Staten. De politie heeft aanwijzingen dat hij wellicht de persoon is die het bootje heeft gevaren waarmee Natalee naar open zee is gebracht. De komende tijd moet duidelijk worden of het een heet spoor is of een dwaalspoor. Maar uit het feit dat het gaat om een zogeheten embargo-onderzoek (onderzoek dat nauwlettend wordt afgeschermd, ook voor collega-politiemensen) kan worden opgemaakt dat de informatie behoorlijk serieus wordt genomen. Zou de “Daury” dan toch bestaan?

A rough translation:

Breakthrough in Holloway Case?

News from Aruba. I don’t mean the family tragedy in Santa Crux were a drugs addict killed his parents and brother, but I mean the Holloway case.
The team of detectives, investigating the confessions of Joran v.d. Sloot, is tracing a man being lockup in the USA for a drugs crime. The police have indications he might be the one driving the little boat taking Natalee to the open sea. In the coming days it has to become clear weather this is a hot track or a wrong track.
But from the fact it the track is treated as a so called “embargo-investigation” (an investigation carefully separated, even for colleague police-officers), the conclusion could be taken that this information is rather serious.
Is it possible that after all this Daury really exists?

[texasmom]

http://misdaad.aktueel.nu/doorbraak_in_zaak_holloway.html

MISDAAD.AKTUEEL.NU
 
Nieuws vanaf Aruba. Ik doel daarbij niet op het gezinsdrama in Santa Cruz waarbij een drugsverslaafde zijn ouders en broer ombracht, maar op de zaak Natalee Holloway.
Alle hoop van het team dat de bekentenissen van Joran van der Sloot onderzoekt is gevestigd op een spoortje dat leidt naar een man, die wegens een drugsdelict vastzit in de Verenigde Staten. De politie heeft aanwijzingen dat hij wellicht de persoon is die het bootje heeft gevaren waarmee Natalee naar open zee is gebracht. De komende tijd moet duidelijk worden of het een heet spoor is of een dwaalspoor. Maar uit het feit dat het gaat om een zogeheten embargo-onderzoek (onderzoek dat nauwlettend wordt afgeschermd, ook voor collega-politiemensen) kan worden opgemaakt dat de informatie behoorlijk serieus wordt genomen. Zou de “Daury” dan toch bestaan?

A rough translation:

Breakthrough in Holloway Case?

News from Aruba. I don’t mean the family tragedy in Santa Crux were a drugs addict killed his parents and brother, but I mean the Holloway case.
The team of detectives, investigating the confessions of Joran v.d. Sloot, is tracing a man being lockup in the USA for a drugs crime. The police have indications he might be the one driving the little boat taking Natalee to the open sea. In the coming days it has to become clear weather this is a hot track or a wrong track.
But from the fact it the track is treated as a so called “embargo-investigation” (an investigation carefully separated, even for colleague police-officers), the conclusion could be taken that this information is rather serious.
Is it possible that after all this Daury really exists?

  Thanks Katrien!   We had a hint about this over in the Shango/Simian thread earlier and were eagerly awaiting news about it!

[GBMW]

http://misdaad.aktueel.nu/doorbraak_in_zaak_holloway.html

MISDAAD.AKTUEEL.NU
 
Nieuws vanaf Aruba. Ik doel daarbij niet op het gezinsdrama in Santa Cruz waarbij een drugsverslaafde zijn ouders en broer ombracht, maar op de zaak Natalee Holloway.
Alle hoop van het team dat de bekentenissen van Joran van der Sloot onderzoekt is gevestigd op een spoortje dat leidt naar een man, die wegens een drugsdelict vastzit in de Verenigde Staten. De politie heeft aanwijzingen dat hij wellicht de persoon is die het bootje heeft gevaren waarmee Natalee naar open zee is gebracht. De komende tijd moet duidelijk worden of het een heet spoor is of een dwaalspoor. Maar uit het feit dat het gaat om een zogeheten embargo-onderzoek (onderzoek dat nauwlettend wordt afgeschermd, ook voor collega-politiemensen) kan worden opgemaakt dat de informatie behoorlijk serieus wordt genomen. Zou de “Daury” dan toch bestaan?

A rough translation:

Breakthrough in Holloway Case?

News from Aruba. I don’t mean the family tragedy in Santa Crux were a drugs addict killed his parents and brother, but I mean the Holloway case.
The team of detectives, investigating the confessions of Joran v.d. Sloot, is tracing a man being lockup in the USA for a drugs crime. The police have indications he might be the one driving the little boat taking Natalee to the open sea. In the coming days it has to become clear weather this is a hot track or a wrong track.
But from the fact it the track is treated as a so called “embargo-investigation” (an investigation carefully separated, even for colleague police-officers), the conclusion could be taken that this information is rather serious.
Is it possible that after all this Daury really exists?

Thanks Katrien!

[johan555]

were can i find that Texas Mom ?

  We had a hint about this over in the Shango/Simian thread earlier and were eagerly awaiting news about it!

[MumInOhio]

were can i find that Texas Mom ?

  We had a hint about this over in the Shango/Simian thread earlier and were eagerly awaiting news about it!

Caps post here towards the bottom, Johan555


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2733.1240

[Buckeye]

http://misdaad.aktueel.nu/doorbraak_in_zaak_holloway.html

MISDAAD.AKTUEEL.NU
 
Nieuws vanaf Aruba. Ik doel daarbij niet op het gezinsdrama in Santa Cruz waarbij een drugsverslaafde zijn ouders en broer ombracht, maar op de zaak Natalee Holloway.
Alle hoop van het team dat de bekentenissen van Joran van der Sloot onderzoekt is gevestigd op een spoortje dat leidt naar een man, die wegens een drugsdelict vastzit in de Verenigde Staten. De politie heeft aanwijzingen dat hij wellicht de persoon is die het bootje heeft gevaren waarmee Natalee naar open zee is gebracht. De komende tijd moet duidelijk worden of het een heet spoor is of een dwaalspoor. Maar uit het feit dat het gaat om een zogeheten embargo-onderzoek (onderzoek dat nauwlettend wordt afgeschermd, ook voor collega-politiemensen) kan worden opgemaakt dat de informatie behoorlijk serieus wordt genomen. Zou de “Daury” dan toch bestaan?

A rough translation:

Breakthrough in Holloway Case?

News from Aruba. I don’t mean the family tragedy in Santa Crux were a drugs addict killed his parents and brother, but I mean the Holloway case.
The team of detectives, investigating the confessions of Joran v.d. Sloot, is tracing a man being lockup in the USA for a drugs crime. The police have indications he might be the one driving the little boat taking Natalee to the open sea. In the coming days it has to become clear weather this is a hot track or a wrong track.
But from the fact it the track is treated as a so called “embargo-investigation” (an investigation carefully separated, even for colleague police-officers), the conclusion could be taken that this information is rather serious.
Is it possible that after all this Daury really exists?

 

Are Gottenbos's still in Georgia??  Koen? Sander?

[Buckeye]

Haven't translated yet:

http://misdaadjournalist.web-log.nl/