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Tamikosmom
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #746 4/4
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April 07, 2008, 03:38:31 PM »
Quote from: Rob on April 07, 2008, 03:06:01 PM
Quote from: Tamikosmom on April 07, 2008, 02:53:18 PM
I imagine that Joran van der Sloot's defence was behind the reason that Karin Janssen did not comply with Prime Minister Nelson Oduber's request to turn over the Natalee Holloway case file to the FBI. David Kock's motion to prevent documents/audio/evidence from being released to the FBI was turn down by an Aruban court but ...
Hi Janet,
I understand that some wonder if the Holloways will receive the case file. Just going by those missing on Aruba and what happened after - there will never be a case file no matter what.
The Makings family and the Devries have not received anything - zilch. zero, nada.
Even if the Holloway case is / was officially closed - I seriously doubt there will ever be a transfer of files based on the previous history dealing with the families of those missing.
maybe others feel differently, but the results and stats are there.
Case closed / case open - it makes no difference - no case files for anyone.
Rob ... I agree. However ... considering the notarity (sp) of this case and ... the determination of Beth to initiate legal proceedings to get her hands on her daughter's file ... is going to chance officially closing the case. It will be allowed to remain open and ... become cold.
I believe that when it is considered that that the Natalee Holloway case is still officially ongoing and ... Joran has once again been declared a suspect ... Aruba/Holland will have a legal means to prevent Beth from pursuing the civil lawsuit ... prevent Beth from getting access to the case file.
IMO
Janet
No custody for Van der Sloot
02/15/2008
The OM has no statutory remedies left against the decision.
The investigation in the Holloway-case will continue with 25 detectives working on it and Van der Sloot remains the suspect.
The OM will decide on further prosecution of Van der Sloot after they are done with the investigation.
http://www.amigoe.com/english/
February 15, 2008
Court of Appeal upholds lower judge’s decision not to detain J.v.d.S.
J.v.d.S remains prime suspect
Judicial investigation continues
On the pre-trial detention issue the Code of criminal procedure does not provide for further appeals. The effect of the Court decision is that J.v.d.S. cannot be (re)arrested.
The investigation of the Natalee Holloway case continues. J.v.d.S. is again the prime suspect.
At the end of the investigation the Office of the Public Prosecution will decide whether to charge or not.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2605.msg350819#msg350819
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Hi Kiwi, sure there is an FBI case file. They were involved and they have taken in what they know. I am referring to the Auban case file, which I have serious reservations if it will ever be revealed. I doubt there is a complete file anyway.
And I'm sorry, but I don't buy the FBI doesn't comment - they have been blabbing all over the net about the Anthrax investigation even though there is no way on God' green Earth that the public can provide any assistance. The three suspects (I have found out there are three by reading the account provided by the FBI) are biological weapons experts working for the government. So, not only did I find out but so did the suspects, but they probably knew that because they were all asked to provide handwriting samples. I found out about the handwriting sample from - you guess it - the published FBI account.
The FBI knows what happened to Natalee. That I believe to be 100% true, but Aruba is autonomous and out of the reach of anything the FBI can do.
The FBI informed Beth on 6-9-2005 that Natalee was likely deceased before or right after a 20 / 20 interview and Beth was heard crying behind a closed conference room door. There is no way they would do that with out a body if they weren't sure. in my opinion.
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April 07, 2008, 03:52:51 PM »
The following June 24, 2005 statement implies that a cell phone was not necessary for Joran to keep in touch with his father while detained ... he had his mother, his lawyer and his father's lawyer as go betweens.
The statement also implies that Paulus van der Sloot participated in the events that encompassed the morning when Natalee Holloway went missing.
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PROCES – VERBAAL
We, Ghrizanti Anuar TROMP and Marcelino Antonio Gregory RAS respectively officer and officer first class with the Korps Politie Aruba and both attached to the Robbery Project Team (Atraco Team) declare the following.
On
June 24th 2005
, at approximately 10.00 hours, we, the reporting officers, went to the correctional facility Aruba to pick up suspect "Joran Andreas Petrus van der SLOOT" to be questioned.
There we, the reporting officers, were informed by the watch-commander on duty of the KIA that the suspect J.A.P. van der SLOOT refused to go with us.
The suspect J.A.P. van der SLOOT talked to us subsequently, and informed us that he did not want to go with us to the police station in Oranjestad to make a statement.
The suspect J.A.P. van der SLOOT gave us as a reason:
- he would only go with us, the reporting officers if is father was released;
- that his mother and his lawyer had advised him on behalf of his father to not make any more statements and to invoke his right to not make statements;
- that he would receive a message from his father's lawyer when he should make statements;
- that according to his lawyer, if he would stop making statements, his father would be released in two days;
- that he listens to his families advise;
- that the lawyers "Antonio CARLO" and "OOMEN" are good friends of his father
- that these two lawyers out of friendship with is father would defend them
- that he know that if he would make a statement he could bring his father into trouble
- that his father suffers from bad memory and that because of that his and his fathers statements would not correspond
- that his father even can't remember what kind of clothes he himself wore the day before
- that his lawyer had said that the police arrested his father because according to the police his father had picked him up in the late night hours of May 30th 2005 at McDonalds
- that he wished the police would leave his friends and family alone/stop bothering his family and friends
- that he would only answer new questions asked by investigators
- that his lawyer had advised him only to make statements in his presence
- that his lawyer had started a lawsuit so that he would only make a statement with the lawyer present
- that he wouldn't come with us today because his mother would be visiting him at 14.00 hours that day
- that if he gets a visit from his mother he would discuss making another statement with her.
- that only if his father, by way of his lawyer would say he should make a statement he would do so
- that he was waiting for the statement of his father and after that make another statement.
Of this, we, the reporting officers, on our oath of office, have made this proces-verbaal, closed and signed in Oranjestad on June 24th 2005.
The reporting officers,
S.A. TROMP M.A.G. RAS
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http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=193.0
The above statement implies that Anita van der Sloot is not a naive victim ... she is a participant in the process that denying Natalee Holloway justice.
Janet
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Anita van der Sloot
On the Record w/ Greta
June 23, 2005
ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: No. The first days, when he was at the police office,
I could go in sometimes in the morning, see him for five or ten minutes, sometimes at night, and I could hold him. I couldn't talk about the case or anything
, just about love from this and this person, friends from Holland called, people who wrote e-mails. So I spoke with him about these things and just told him to stay strong and to tell the truth.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160471,00.html
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #746 4/4
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Quote from: Tamikosmom on April 07, 2008, 03:38:31 PM
Rob ... I agree. However ... considering the notarity (sp) of this case and ... the determination of Beth to initiate legal proceedings to get her hands on her daughter's file ... is going to chance officially closing the case. It will be allowed to remain open and ... become cold.
I believe that when it is considered that that the Natalee Holloway case is still officially ongoing and ... Joran has once again been declared a suspect ... Aruba/Holland will have a legal means to prevent Beth from pursuing the civil lawsuit ... prevent Beth from getting access to the case file.
IMO
Janet
No custody for Van der Sloot
02/15/2008
The OM has no statutory remedies left against the decision.
The investigation in the Holloway-case will continue with 25 detectives working on it and Van der Sloot remains the suspect.
The OM will decide on further prosecution of Van der Sloot after they are done with the investigation.
http://www.amigoe.com/english/
February 15, 2008
Court of Appeal upholds lower judge’s decision not to detain J.v.d.S.
J.v.d.S remains prime suspect
Judicial investigation continues
On the pre-trial detention issue the Code of criminal procedure does not provide for further appeals. The effect of the Court decision is that J.v.d.S. cannot be (re)arrested.
The investigation of the Natalee Holloway case continues. J.v.d.S. is again the prime suspect.
At the end of the investigation the Office of the Public Prosecution will decide whether to charge or not.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2605.msg350819#msg350819
I hope and pray that if Beth and JQK raise enough heck the files will appear. That's all they have going for them - use the media to once again showcase what Aruba is really all about. People will remember that Natalee and her family were royally screwed over by Aruba and think to themselves -
oh jeezz there goes Aruba screwing that family again
. It will make people wretch all over again.
So you're right... the only only only way there would ever be any case is if Aruba saw further economic damage by refusing to release the files and after what has happened so far, I doubt they care one bit if what's left of their reputation suffers another of the death by a thousand slices. They just don't care.
As other astute posters have said - we know, and they know we know - and they still don't care. paraphrased...
I hope there will be more discovery in the civil suit, but it believe it will be limited to a few specific areas.
As for the
suspect status
I don't believe their rhetoric anymore. While a formal suspect they never even re-interviewed Joran. Not once. He was in Holland and relatively easy to find. When I see Paulus in handcuffs, I'll get my hopes up again, but not until.
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I hate to burst anyone's bubble -- but the Aruban files (if ever turned over) will be worthless junk. Those files have been "scrubbed" and "sanitized" a long long time ago.
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,347748,00.html
Man Claims His Family Was Kicked off Cruise Ship for Protest
Monday, April 07, 2008
It was hardly a mutiny, but a man claims he and his three boys were forced to walk the plank after staging a small protest on a Carnival cruise ship, MyFOXHouston.com reported.
The Carnival Conquest had an itinerary of Jamaica, Grand Cayman and Cozumel, but along the way a crewmember became ill, forcing the ship to skip Jamaica. When the ship tried to make amends by giving guests a mere $25, Steve Sparks had enough.
Sparks started a petition with other vacationers, and after meeting with the ship’s captain, he and his three boys were booted off the ship and forced to return to the U.S., MyFOXHouston.com reported.
While Carnival paid for the airline tickets back to the U.S., Sparks thinks he's entitled to more. And he's considering legal action.
Carnival claims the crew acted in the right manner, as Sparks “was being verbally abusive and belligerent to the vessel’s staff … The ship’s command believed he was disruptive to the safe operation of the vessel,” a Carnival spokesman said in a statement.
The matter is now an Internet uproar, with numerous posts on CruiseCritic.com.
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Funny post
http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=749364
April 4th, 2008, 12:08 PM
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #746 4/4
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Posted by Debbie, BFN
Mackin McKinney Blog (Natalee's Friend)
http://mackinmckinney.blogspot.com/2008/04/natalee-holloway.html
Sunday, April 6, 2008
Natalee Holloway
We had just had celebrated our big high school graduation and were scheduled to go to Aruba the next morning. There were one hundred and twenty five of our best friends going down to celebrate after finally graduating from Mountain Brook High School. A group of us had spent the night at my house the so that we could get up early and all head to the airport together. We talked about all the fun things we wanted to do and how excited we all were, as we were all completely oblivious to what was about to happen. I never would have guessed that this would be the last time that Natalee would be in my house with all of us.
Our flight was scheduled to leave at seven in the morning so we had to get up very early. None of us really had slept the night before because we were all too excited. We finally arrived in Aruba and were greeted by buses that were going to take us to our resort. It was an all inclusive hotel that had tons of places to eat and bars on the property. We had to decide who was going to be in our rooms before we arrived and there was a door that opened to the next room to combine them. Natalee and I shared a room with two other girls along with four more of our friends in the next room. Everyone was so excited that we immediately put on our bathing suits and headed to the pool. The first night everyone decided to stay at the hotel and just go to the bars and the casinos. We were having a ball and everyone was so laid back and care free.
As our trip was coming to a close on our last night everyone decided that we were going to ride the bus into town and go to the hot spot Carlos and Charlies. We were scheduled to go out on a day cruise on a sailboat for the day and then were going to go home and eat dinner before we headed out for our big night on the town. The sailboat was amazing and there was a bar on the boat so all of us were laying out on the front of the boat getting sun and enjoying our tropical drinks. Natalee and all of us began to talk about these guys that we had met in the casino the night before and how they had said that they were going to go to Carlos and Charlies also. None of us really had wanted to be around them, but they had come to our hotel and started conversation with all of us.
We got in from the day out on the water and ran to our rooms to shower and get ready for dinner and a crazy last night in Aruba. After enjoying a nice dinner at the hotel, all of us loaded up onto the buses and headed into town. The bar was so crowded and everyone began drinking and dancing. The bar tenders were getting people on stage to compete in contest and of course all of our friends were on stage. It began getting late and the bar was closing so all of us were forced outside into the street. Most of the group was together, but none of us could find Natalee. The bar was so crazy when everyone was leaving that there was no trying to find someone cause everyone was pushing and shoving and of course had lots to drink. Everyone began cramming into cabs and headed back to the hotel. There was another group that had gone to another bar so most of us figured Natalee had gone with them. Everyone was exhausted and ready to go to bed so when we got back to the hotel we fell right to sleep.
We woke up the next morning to find that Natalee was not in our room and figured that she had just stayed in another room. Natalee was never the type to be late and would never miss something like a flight home. It was getting close to the time we were supposed to leave for the airport and there was still no sign of Natalee. Me and some of my friends began to cry and started to seriously worry about Natalee. One of our teachers that was on the trip stayed behind and called Natalee's parents and told them to head down to Aruba immediately that Natalee didn't return home from the bar the night before. All of us were freaking out and didn't know what to do. We had tried to stay behind with our teacher but they wouldn't let us.
The night we got home everyone came over to my house to spend the night and we had heard that there was to be an announcement on the news stating that Natalee Holloway was missing on a graduation trip and hadn't returned home from Aruba. All of us were in shock and had a really hard time dealing with everything that was going on. We didn't know what to do and had no clue that our lives were about to change. One of our best friends had gone missing and we didn't know if she was dead or alive.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #746 4/4
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Quote from: Pita on April 07, 2008, 07:05:26 PM
Posted by Debbie, BFN
Mackin McKinney Blog (Natalee's Friend)
http://mackinmckinney.blogspot.com/2008/04/natalee-holloway.html
Sunday, April 6, 2008
Natalee Holloway
We had just had celebrated our big high school graduation and were scheduled to go to Aruba the next morning. There were one hundred and twenty five of our best friends going down to celebrate after finally graduating from Mountain Brook High School. A group of us had spent the night at my house the so that we could get up early and all head to the airport together. We talked about all the fun things we wanted to do and how excited we all were, as we were all completely oblivious to what was about to happen. I never would have guessed that this would be the last time that Natalee would be in my house with all of us.
Our flight was scheduled to leave at seven in the morning so we had to get up very early. None of us really had slept the night before because we were all too excited. We finally arrived in Aruba and were greeted by buses that were going to take us to our resort. It was an all inclusive hotel that had tons of places to eat and bars on the property. We had to decide who was going to be in our rooms before we arrived and there was a door that opened to the next room to combine them. Natalee and I shared a room with two other girls along with four more of our friends in the next room. Everyone was so excited that we immediately put on our bathing suits and headed to the pool. The first night everyone decided to stay at the hotel and just go to the bars and the casinos. We were having a ball and everyone was so laid back and care free.
As our trip was coming to a close on our last night everyone decided that we were going to ride the bus into town and go to the hot spot Carlos and Charlies. We were scheduled to go out on a day cruise on a sailboat for the day and then were going to go home and eat dinner before we headed out for our big night on the town. The sailboat was amazing and there was a bar on the boat so all of us were laying out on the front of the boat getting sun and enjoying our tropical drinks. Natalee and all of us began to talk about these guys that we had met in the casino the night before and how they had said that they were going to go to Carlos and Charlies also. None of us really had wanted to be around them, but they had come to our hotel and started conversation with all of us.
We got in from the day out on the water and ran to our rooms to shower and get ready for dinner and a crazy last night in Aruba. After enjoying a nice dinner at the hotel, all of us loaded up onto the buses and headed into town. The bar was so crowded and everyone began drinking and dancing.
The bar tenders were getting people on stage to compete in contest and of course all of our friends were on stage. It began getting late and the bar was closing so all of us were forced outside into the street. Most of the group was together, but none of us could find Natalee. The bar was so crazy when everyone was leaving that there was no trying to find someone cause everyone was pushing and shoving and of course had lots to drink. Everyone began cramming into cabs and headed back to the hotel. There was another group that had gone to another bar so most of us figured Natalee had gone with them. Everyone was exhausted and ready to go to bed so when we got back to the hotel we fell right to sleep.
We woke up the next morning to find that Natalee was not in our room and figured that she had just stayed in another room. Natalee was never the type to be late and would never miss something like a flight home. It was getting close to the time we were supposed to leave for the airport and there was still no sign of Natalee. Me and some of my friends began to cry and started to seriously worry about Natalee. One of our teachers that was on the trip stayed behind and called Natalee's parents and told them to head down to Aruba immediately that Natalee didn't return home from the bar the night before. All of us were freaking out and didn't know what to do. We had tried to stay behind with our teacher but they wouldn't let us.
The night we got home everyone came over to my house to spend the night and we had heard that there was to be an announcement on the news stating that Natalee Holloway was missing on a graduation trip and hadn't returned home from Aruba. All of us were in shock and had a really hard time dealing with everything that was going on. We didn't know what to do and had no clue that our lives were about to change. One of our best friends had gone missing and we didn't know if she was dead or alive.
... The bus ride to Carlos 'N Charlies did not take place immediately following dinner ... Natalee and friends went to the black jack table at the Excelsior where the encounter with Joran and Paulus van der Sloot took place.
Janet
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Katherine (Madison) Whatley
FBI Statement
July 12, 2005
After swimming at the hotel on Sunday, WHATLEY and other classmates, including HOLLOWAY, ate dinner at a restaurant next to the hotel. After dinner they went to the casino at the hotel. A few classmates were gambling at a card table along with an "older man" and YURON VAN DER SLOOT. (Whatley 302)
Beth Twitty
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September 19, 2005
HOLLOWAY TWITTY: ..... I don‘t think there was ever a question that Joran and Paulus Van Der Sloot had been in that Excelsior Casino, and, particularly, on the night of the 29th where he and his father met Natalee.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9407728/
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Thank you Pita.
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Other things in there don't seem to match with what we have been told, as well.
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Quote from: Nut44x4 on April 07, 2008, 07:54:58 PM
Other things in there don't seem to match with what we have been told, as well.
I see that Jon/Shizaru in the comment section of the blog has mentioned the descrepancies. Also Robin Holloway is trying to contact her.
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dutch blog in english about holloway file
http://hollowaynews.blogspot.com/
scroll all the way down for the archive.
there are some articles down there i haven't read before.
also has tons of information about the wilders/fitna/islam-situation.
http://wildersnews.blogspot.com/
all in english.
i don't know who runs this blog but the've got dossiers/files on both wilders and holloway.
i've been linking those to for months now.
i am sure if wilders gets in power or at least win big in an election he will sort out the aruban corruption situation.
i don't fully support wilders on all issues at all but this current balkenende government is just a sick joke.
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Thanks Caesu!
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Quote from: caesu on April 07, 2008, 08:37:41 PM
dutch blog in english about holloway file
http://hollowaynews.blogspot.com/
scroll all the way down for the archive.
there are some articles down there i haven't read before.
also has tons of information about the wilders/fitna/islam-situation.
http://wildersnews.blogspot.com/
all in english.
i don't know who runs this blog but the've got dossiers/files on both wilders and holloway.
i've been linking those to for months now.
i am sure if wilders gets in power or at least win big in an election he will sort out the aruban corruption situation.
i don't fully support wilders on all issues at all but this current balkenende government is just a sick joke.
Thank you caesu.
Janet
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Who is this Mackin McKinney? I don't remember ever hearing that name.
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Who is this Mackin McKinney? I don't remember ever hearing that name.
I don't remember ever hearing the name either. Maybe Mackin McKinney is their "pen" name?
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Who is this Mackin McKinney? I don't remember ever hearing that name.
I don't remember ever hearing the name either. Maybe Mackin McKinney is their "pen" name?
From Google search...related to NH case
Mackin Elizabeth McKinney of Birmingham, daughter of Leah Mackin McKinney and Lewis Carlyle McKinney
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