Natalee Case Discussion #746 4/4 - 4/11/08

[klaasend]

Good Monkey Monkeys

Klaas ... are the 302's (FBI) stored on the site?  If so ... where?

Thank you

Janet
7:30 AM

Only a couple of them in the Important Case Document area.

[Rob]

Klaas, I can't seem to find a picture of Rufo Solonigier and Steve Croes from when he got outta jail.. do you have one? I'm going to make a small chart graph for the Shango / Simian thread.

[klaasend]

Klaas, I can't seem to find a picture of Rufo Solonigier and Steve Croes from when he got outta jail.. do you have one? I'm going to make a small chart graph for the Shango / Simian thread.

I have one but can't get to it right now.  Let me check the Important Case document area and see if it's there.

Edited to add:  Nope, not there. Someone posted it just the other day though.

[Rob]

Klaas, I can't seem to find a picture of Rufo Solonigier and Steve Croes from when he got outta jail.. do you have one? I'm going to make a small chart graph for the Shango / Simian thread.

I have one but can't get to it right now.  Let me check the Important Case document area and see if it's there.

Edited to add:  Nope, not there. Someone posted it just the other day though.

Thank you... maybe it will re-appear... I'll wait til then to make the chart. Thanks again for looking.

[Tamikosmom]

STEVE CROES AND GEOFFREY VAN CROMVOIRT CONNECTION

It appears that Steve Croes was fired for leaving his night shift as a watchman on the Tattoo.

My theory implies that it was Geoffrey van Cromvoirt and Steve Croes who assisted Paulus in moving Natalee's body which had been hidden by Joran, Deepak and Satish in the bushes.

Geoffrey van Cromvoirt was not detained as a formal susect until April, 2006.  However he was assigned the same attorney as Steve Croes.  Karin Janssen had implied that this was conflict of interest when one attorney was represented both Security Guards.

Janet

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Karl Penhaul - CNN correspondent
NANCY GRACE
June 17, 2005

PENHAUL: We don`t have that answer yet. We are looking into that to see what the boat`s movements were. We do know from the owner, Marcus Williams (sic), that Steve Croes did have a key to the boat. But the owner also tells us that the boat has a special electronic security system on it and he doesn`t believe that Steve Croes would have been able to take the boat without his permission. And he has described Steve Croes as a model employee, Nancy.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/17/ng.01.html


Steve Croes
NANCY GRACE
June 29, 2005

S. CROES: Well, I just start talking everything the truth, like where I was that day, the day I had, like, a night shift on the boat, like as a watchman. So I was sleeping on the boat. And, yes, that I wasn`t even there.

GRACE: Is it true that you have been fired from your job over this whole thing?

S. CROES: Yes. Yesterday during the afternoon I had, like, this meeting with my ex-boss and his lawyer, and they told me that I was fired.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/29/ng.01.html


Beth Twitty
On the Record w/ Greta
April 18, 2005

TWITTY: ... And when I think of Joran van der Sloot and when I think of Steven Croes and I think of this new suspect (GVC) and the lies that were coming out early, very early, the moment we arrived on the island, if we find out that these three suspects are acquaintances or know each other — somebody needs to connect the dots. I mean, there certainly is a reason why Steven Croes came forward early on and stated, lied to the authorities that he had seen the two security guards taking Natalee. You know, people don't just do that for no reason, Greta. Somebody needs to connect the dots on those three, if they know each other.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,192141,00.html


John Q. Kelly
On the Record w/ Greta
April 19, 2006

VAN SUSTEREN: John, what I heard a little bit earlier today from someone I spoke to in Aruba is that the lawyer for "G.V.C." is also the lawyer — it's a woman — who represented Steve Croes, who is the man who came forward with the false alibi to the police which supported lie number one of Deepak, Satish and Joran. Do you know anything about the lawyer representing both Steve Croes and now "G.V.C."?

KELLY: I know that's the situation. It's a woman, and that is the person who represented Croes and would be representing this individual now. And actually, Ms. Janssen, when I talked to her today, she was just getting ready to turn over the dossier to "G.V.C.'s" attorney for review before they did go into court.

VAN SUSTEREN: Now, Steve Croes, John — it was sort of a curious thing. He came forward seemingly out of the blue and said that he witnessed Deepak, Satish and Joran dropping Natalee off at the Holiday Inn and stumbling, and then two security guards coming up. That was a complete lie that he sort of volunteered, went to the police. He was taken into custody. He was then released. Is he free and clear of all of this, or is he still somewhat in the mix?

<snipped>

VAN SUSTEREN: Then it's bizarre that this lawyer would represent both Steve Croes and GVC because at least here in the United States, I think most lawyers would say that there is a potential for conflict of interest and a lawyer shouldn't be representing both.

KELLY: I think that's right ...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,192309,00.html


Chris Lejuez
NANCY GRACE
June 17, 2005

LEJUEZ: I have been the defense attorney for both of them for the last two days. But as of tomorrow, I will be only for one of them, because apparently there will be a conflict of interest in defending them both. This has been told to me by the public prosecutor, so I will be resigning from one of the cases. I have no evidence yet that, that is the case, but I do take her word for it.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/07/ng.01.html

[Tamikosmom]

Good Monkey Monkeys

Klaas ... are the 302's (FBI) stored on the site?  If so ... where?

Thank you

Janet
7:30 AM

Only a couple of them in the Important Case Document area.

Thank you Klaas.

Janet

[vms]

Klaas, I can't seem to find a picture of Rufo Solonigier and Steve Croes from when he got outta jail.. do you have one? I'm going to make a small chart graph for the Shango / Simian thread.

I have one but can't get to it right now.  Let me check the Important Case document area and see if it's there.

Edited to add:  Nope, not there. Someone posted it just the other day though.

Thank you... maybe it will re-appear... I'll wait til then to make the chart. Thanks again for looking.

Are you talking about the photo in the car with Steve, Rob?

[Destiny]

From Diarioaruba.com today...I think...

    

               No tin fecha official ainda pa dera famia Lampe…

EUGENE GIANCARLO LAMPE A ADMITI SU CULPABILIDAD

Ayeranochi e curpanan a ser entrega na famia….

ORANJESTAD(AAN):Ayeranochi e curpanan sin bida a ser entrega na famia.

For di trempan dialuna mainta DIARIO tabata tin contacto cu fiscal mayor Hans Moss kende a splica cu e ta pendiente pa e resultado di e autopsia pa asina yama un conferencia di prensa hunto cu mando policial.

Esey a sosode tambe dialuna atardi na Sta Cruz den cantine di Centro di husticia.

Aki alto comisario Peter de Witte y tambe Fiscal Mayor Hans Moss mes a bin splica prensa kico a pasa. Tur cos ta mustra cu e sospechoso Eugene Giancarlo Lampe a admiti cu el a mata su mama, tata y ruman homber.

Tambe cu el a haci esaki separadamente unda den e prome camber di e cas tabata tin tres curpa benta abao y tur tabata mustra di no tabata duna señal di bida pero si marcanan fuerte di golpi.

A haya curpa cu carbon riba dje y kima mientras cu tabata tin plas di sanger den henter e camber segun alto comisario Peter de Witte.

E golpinan fuerte tabata bisto riba cabez di cada victima.

Algun hende cu a drenta e cas a logra paga e candela cu tabata tin e momento ey segun informacion cu autoridadnan a duna.

Te mesun hendenan aki a bati alarma tambe y bisa cu tin hende kima den cas sin pensa cu ta trata di un crimen horendo.

Eugene Giancarlo Lampe cu ta e yiu mas chikito di e famia mes a yega meld su mes na warda di polis na Sta Cruz.

Fiscal Lugo a duna orden mesora pa detene Eugene Giancarlo Lampe mientras cu a haci un investigacion den henter e cas na Macuarima 27-C pa logra haya tur e pruebanan necesario den e caso aki.

Fiscal mayor Hans Moss a splica cu diasabra caba a cuminsa cu e interogacion di e sospechoso Eugene Lampe y tur e interogacion ta bay a base di un grabacion cu camara y audio. Segun fiscal mayor Hans Moss cada asesinato a tuma lugar riba mesun dia, pero cada uno den oranan separa. E asesinato a tuma lugar entre 8’or di mainta y 2’or di merdia. Pa 2’or di merdia henter e famia tabata asesina caba.

Lo bay tin reconstruccion y ya caba por confirma cu aki e agresor a usa un arma unda a golpea su victimanan pa asesina nan.

E motibo di e incendio segun ministerio publico tabata pasobra cu e kier a deshaci di e pruebanan di e asesinato cruel cu el a caba di comete.

Fiscal mayor Hans Moss a splica cu ultimo añanan mester paga tino cu declaracion di sospechosonan cu ta core admiti nan culpabilidad pasobra mester investiga y busca sosten pa e declaracionnan a base di pruebanan busca den e investigacion.

Awe e sospechoso ta ser presenta dilanti di huez comisario pa atende cu su detencion.

Informacion cu DIARIO tin ta bisa cu huez comisario mes lo bay warda di Sta Cruz pa papia cune.

[vms]

Not Rufo, IMO, but I think I am the only one who thinks it isn't...

[Rob]

STEVE CROES AND GEOFFREY VAN CROMVOIRT CONNECTION

It appears that Steve Croes was fired for leaving his night shift as a watchman on the Tattoo.

My theory implies that it was Geoffrey van Cromvoirt and Steve Croes who assisted Paulus in moving Natalee's body which had been hidden by Joran, Deepak and Satish in the bushes.

Geoffrey van Cromvoirt was not detained as a formal susect until April, 2006.  However he was assigned the same attorney as Steve Croes.  Karin Janssen had implied that this was conflict of interest when one attorney was represented both Security Guards.

Janet

This makes the most sense outta everything I have heard or speculated upon. I just wonder if Steve was involved in body disposal he would come forward and subject himself to further scrutiny and not remain under the radar?

as a family member of Steve's has told me - "Steve's not too bright"

[Destiny]

Janet...Something *strange* to me, in this quote from what you posted...


Steve Croes
NANCY GRACE
June 29, 2005

S. CROES: Well, I just start talking everything the truth, like where I was that day, the day I had, like, a night shift on the boat, like as a watchman. So I was sleeping on the boat. And, yes, that I wasn`t even there.

GRACE: Is it true that you have been fired from your job over this whole thing?

S. CROES: Yes. Yesterday during the afternoon I had, like, this meeting with my ex-boss and his lawyer, and they told me that I was fired.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/29/ng.01.html

Why on Gods' green earth...If Steve Croes was being fired from his job on the boat...for simply being a bad employee...why oh why...would his Boss need his LAWYER with him to do it...

[Rob]

Not Rufo, IMO, but I think I am the only one who thinks it isn't...

thanks vms, I assure you that is Rufo. I'm positive.

[Tamikosmom]

Janet...Something *strange* to me, in this quote from what you posted...


Steve Croes
NANCY GRACE
June 29, 2005

S. CROES: Well, I just start talking everything the truth, like where I was that day, the day I had, like, a night shift on the boat, like as a watchman. So I was sleeping on the boat. And, yes, that I wasn`t even there.

GRACE: Is it true that you have been fired from your job over this whole thing?

S. CROES: Yes. Yesterday during the afternoon I had, like, this meeting with my ex-boss and his lawyer, and they told me that I was fired.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/29/ng.01.html

Why on Gods' green earth...If Steve Croes was being fired from his job on the boat...for simply being a bad employee...why oh why...would his Boss need his LAWYER with him to do it...

Destiny ... GREAT CATCH!!

 

I do not know but I speculate ... when the employer considered Steve Croes interjecting himself with a false alibi in regards to the missing American and ... the admission that he left his night shift watch ... IT WAS JUST TOO TOO MUCH OF A COINCIDENCE.
 
IMO

Janet

[MumInOhio]

Tamikosmom...Did you look here?

http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/index.htm

[Lala'sMom]

Rob
I am asking this to determine that Steve Croes was not one of those "guys" that chatted up the MB girls in the casino.  I think I can make that assumption based on the fact that Steve would have been working during that time on the Tattoo.  Steve told Deepak he saw them at the HI dropping off the girl. I think Steve wanted to know what Deepak knew and it backfired on him.  I am basing that on some things posted for me in the Shango thread. I have seen photos of Steve at Moombas before when he wasn't working.  I wish I had checked to see what time and day of the week it was.  I can't remember now how I came by those photos...I think it was someone's vacation photos and I remember him being shown walking off into the night with a girl and someone else.

Anyway, the reason was to determine if he was with Joran at the casinos during the time the MB teens were there at night on Friday and Saturday.  If the Tattoo has daytime cruises also...who DJ's those?  Surely he didn't work both times?  That would be long hours even for a young guy.  IMO

[Tamikosmom]

Tamikosmom...Did you look here?

http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/index.htm

Mum ... thank you.

Janet

[Lala'sMom]

Janet
You know everyone on Aruba has an attorney...it must be the second best job there.


Did you get your files organized without difficulty? I hope so...we depend on your librarian skills daily in here.

[Destiny]

Janet
You know everyone on Aruba has an attorney...it must be the second best job there.


Did you get your files organized without difficulty? I hope so...we depend on your librarian skills daily in here.

LOL....Lala's...what is the *first* best job on Aruba?

I second you on the skills of Janet

[MumInOhio]

Tamikosmom and Destiny…IIRC Kiwi had a great explanation for this…something about liability! For Steve leaving the boat...not sure???

This just posted in the ‘Shango’ thread by vms…Thanks!

S. CROES: Well, I just start talking everything the truth, like where I was that day, the day I had, like, a night shift on the boat, like as a watchman. So I was sleeping on the boat. And, yes, that I wasn`t even there.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/29/ng.01.html


You are very welcome Tamikosmom!

[vms]

Not Rufo, IMO, but I think I am the only one who thinks it isn't...

thanks vms, I assure you that is Rufo. I'm positive.

I remember this interview taking place as SC was on his way to take this guy to the airport to return to Curacao.