Natalee Case Discussion #746 4/4 - 4/11/08

[MumInOhio]

Sorry...my last post was about Wiggins needing a lawyer...

[Tamikosmom]

Janet
You know everyone on Aruba has an attorney...it must be the second best job there.


Did you get your files organized without difficulty? I hope so...we depend on your librarian skills daily in here.

Lala'sMom ... my DIL did not finish doing her thing with my Natalee files last night ... it is such a huge undertaking ... such a huge mess.  I promised this amazing young lady last summer when ... for a second time ... she organized my Natalee files which were pertaining to a specific topic into its own folder ... that I would continue the status quo.  Well ... I broke that promise big time.

 

The SM search engine is my lifeline for now ... as long as I remember the key words in the quotes.

Janet

[Lala'sMom]

Janet
You know everyone on Aruba has an attorney...it must be the second best job there.


Did you get your files organized without difficulty? I hope so...we depend on your librarian skills daily in here.

LOL....Lala's...what is the *first* best job on Aruba?

I second you on the skills of Janet

Being a criminal. Easy money...lots of fun!

[AZSunny]

Rob
I am asking this to determine that Steve Croes was not one of those "guys" that chatted up the MB girls in the casino.  I think I can make that assumption based on the fact that Steve would have been working during that time on the Tattoo.  Steve told Deepak he saw them at the HI dropping off the girl. I think Steve wanted to know what Deepak knew and it backfired on him.  I am basing that on some things posted for me in the Shango thread. I have seen photos of Steve at Moombas before when he wasn't working.  I wish I had checked to see what time and day of the week it was.  I can't remember now how I came by those photos...I think it was someone's vacation photos and I remember him being shown walking off into the night with a girl and someone else.

Anyway, the reason was to determine if he was with Joran at the casinos during the time the MB teens were there at night on Friday and Saturday.  If the Tattoo has daytime cruises also...who DJ's those?  Surely he didn't work both times?  That would be long hours even for a young guy.  IMO

LaLa's that was just my speculation that they also had daytime cruises, they may just have the sunset cruise. 

[Lala'sMom]

Rob
I am asking this to determine that Steve Croes was not one of those "guys" that chatted up the MB girls in the casino.  I think I can make that assumption based on the fact that Steve would have been working during that time on the Tattoo.  Steve told Deepak he saw them at the HI dropping off the girl. I think Steve wanted to know what Deepak knew and it backfired on him.  I am basing that on some things posted for me in the Shango thread. I have seen photos of Steve at Moombas before when he wasn't working.  I wish I had checked to see what time and day of the week it was.  I can't remember now how I came by those photos...I think it was someone's vacation photos and I remember him being shown walking off into the night with a girl and someone else.

Anyway, the reason was to determine if he was with Joran at the casinos during the time the MB teens were there at night on Friday and Saturday.  If the Tattoo has daytime cruises also...who DJ's those?  Surely he didn't work both times?  That would be long hours even for a young guy.  IMO

LaLa's that was just my speculation that they also had daytime cruises, they may just have the sunset cruise. 

No AZSunny, doesn't mean you aren't right..just never heard of it.  Why waste the boat when you can take it out during the daytime hours also?  I know you can visit that pirate ship they have down there during the day...so why not the Tattoo?  Maybe it's more subdude during the day.  Of course if all 300 people pay $23.00 to take the cruise at night you would make a nice little sum then too.

[klaasend]

Thinking about the Tattoo, Wiggins and Steve Croes.  Originally on the Aru-bay site there were a couple of videos that were shot on the Tattoo.  They were very strange.  I'm going to go to my other computer and see if I can upload to photobucket.  To me the videos looked they the videographer was targeting certain women.

The video was shot prior to May 2005.

[klaasend]

Thinking about the Tattoo, Wiggins and Steve Croes.  Originally on the Aru-bay site there were a couple of videos that were shot on the Tattoo.  They were very strange.  I'm going to go to my other computer and see if I can upload to photobucket.  To me the videos looked they the videographer was targeting certain women.

The video was shot prior to May 2005.

Uploading the 2 Tattoo videos from the Aru-bay site right now.  Will post as soon as they are ready.

[Tamikosmom]

Sorry...my last post was about Wiggins needing a lawyer...

Mum ... I know. 

Maybe Wiggins felt that he needed to be on a firm foundation legally prior to firing Steve Croes in regards to his suspicions that there was a connection between Steve leaving his night shift watch of Tattoo and ... the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.  The Tattoo was tied up very close to the location of the Fishermans' Huts.

You are correct ... there must have been a reason that Wiggins felt the necessity to have an attorney present when he fired Steve Croes.

Janet

[Destiny]

Thinking about the Tattoo, Wiggins and Steve Croes.  Originally on the Aru-bay site there were a couple of videos that were shot on the Tattoo.  They were very strange.  I'm going to go to my other computer and see if I can upload to photobucket.  To me the videos looked they the videographer was targeting certain women.

The video was shot prior to May 2005.

Uploading the 2 Tattoo videos from the Aru-bay site right now.  Will post as soon as they are ready.

Thanks Klaas

[Lala'sMom]

Thinking about the Tattoo, Wiggins and Steve Croes.  Originally on the Aru-bay site there were a couple of videos that were shot on the Tattoo.  They were very strange.  I'm going to go to my other computer and see if I can upload to photobucket.  To me the videos looked they the videographer was targeting certain women.

The video was shot prior to May 2005.

And how did they get on the Tattoo in the daytime to shoot those videos if they were only open during the night hours?  Videoing during the day would be easily noticed by anyone that was around, right?  Did Rob not say you had to be ferried out to the Tattoo?

[klaasend]

A little background on the Aru-bay website.  According to the website it was started so that locals could share there videos about Aruba.

These two Tattoo videos were uploaded to the Aru-bay site on April 3, 2005.  I find them both very strange:

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[Destiny]

Sorry...my last post was about Wiggins needing a lawyer...

Mum ... I know. 

Maybe Wiggins felt that he needed to be on a firm foundation legally prior to firing Steve Croes in regards to his suspicions that there was a connection between Steve leaving his night shift watch of Tattoo and ... the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.  The Tattoo was tied up very close to the location of the Fishermans' Huts.

You are correct ... there must have been a reason that Wiggins felt the necessity to have an attorney present when he fired Steve Croes.

Janet

Quote from Janet...earlier post:

teve Croes
NANCY GRACE
June 29, 2005

S. CROES: Well, I just start talking everything the truth, like where I was that day, the day I had, like, a night shift on the boat, like as a watchman. So I was sleeping on the boat. And, yes, that I wasn`t even there.

GRACE: Is it true that you have been fired from your job over this whole thing?

S. CROES: Yes. Yesterday during the afternoon I had, like, this meeting with my ex-boss and his lawyer, and they told me that I was fired.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/29/ng.01.html

It was *THEY* who fired him....there was a pretty big reason for a LAWYER to be part of the firing process....not normal in any way...and I think Wiggins knows what it is....can't wait to see the Arubay-vid  photos Klaas is uploading...

[klaasend]

Thinking about the Tattoo, Wiggins and Steve Croes.  Originally on the Aru-bay site there were a couple of videos that were shot on the Tattoo.  They were very strange.  I'm going to go to my other computer and see if I can upload to photobucket.  To me the videos looked they the videographer was targeting certain women.

The video was shot prior to May 2005.

And how did they get on the Tattoo in the daytime to shoot those videos if they were only open during the night hours?  Videoing during the day would be easily noticed by anyone that was around, right?  Did Rob not say you had to be ferried out to the Tattoo?

Night time videos Lala's 

[Kermit]

Video 16 (5 min 36 sec) opens with a man taking a shot along with other girls chugging down drinks aboard Tattoo party boat. Young girl singing, another girl pole dancing, close ups on young girls (looks like American tourist girls) dancing provocatively.

[Tamikosmom]

Sorry...my last post was about Wiggins needing a lawyer...

Mum ... I know. 

Maybe Wiggins felt that he needed to be on a firm foundation legally prior to firing Steve Croes in regards to his suspicions that there was a connection between Steve leaving his night shift watch of Tattoo and ... the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.  The Tattoo was tied up very close to the location of the Fishermans' Huts.

You are correct ... there must have been a reason that Wiggins felt the necessity to have an attorney present when he fired Steve Croes.

Janet

Mum ... at the time of the firing Steve Croes was a suspect in the Natalee Holloway case.  Maybe this suspect status is the reason for the firing ... insurance/bonding purposes.  Maybe this is why Wiggin's attorney was present ... to explain the legalities to Steve Croes.

Janet

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Aruba Authorities Detail Murder Suspicions
Friday, June 24, 2005

Joran van der Sloot (search) and his friends Deepak and Satish Kalpoe are being held under suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder.

A fourth man, party boat DJ Steve Croes, is being held under the same conditions.

The fifth man, Paul van der Sloot (search) — the father of 17-year-old Joran — was being held on suspicion of complicity to pre-meditated murder, complicity to kidnapping and murder and kidnapping. Under the Aruban system, complicity is a lesser charge.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160654,00.html

[Kermit]

[klaasend]

My question is, and I don't think it's so far out there, was the Tattoo the place where girls were targeted? 

[Rob]

I've never heard of the Tattoo going out during the day. It's a nite time things as far as I know. 

guess it's always possible.

[klaasend]

Kermit - both videos posted above

[Lala'sMom]

Thinking about the Tattoo, Wiggins and Steve Croes.  Originally on the Aru-bay site there were a couple of videos that were shot on the Tattoo.  They were very strange.  I'm going to go to my other computer and see if I can upload to photobucket.  To me the videos looked they the videographer was targeting certain women.

The video was shot prior to May 2005.

And how did they get on the Tattoo in the daytime to shoot those videos if they were only open during the night hours?  Videoing during the day would be easily noticed by anyone that was around, right?  Did Rob not say you had to be ferried out to the Tattoo?

Night time videos Lala's 

DOH!!!  Of course.