Natalee Case Discussion #746 4/4 - 4/11/08

[klaasend]

Waiting for Janet to feel creepy too 

[Kermit]

My question is, and I don't think it's so far out there, was the Tattoo the place where girls were targeted? 

NO. It was ONE place.

Joran targetted Natalee & the other MB girls at the HI.
Those kids hang out at the hotels and pick up tourists.

[Tamikosmom]

My mistake ... I did not realize that the images that Klaas posted were video clips.

Janet

The music chosen for those videos really adds to the creep factor, don't you think?

I will let you know in a minute.  I will turn on my speaker.

 

Janet

The video of these young people dancing provocatively and drinking excessively portrays a world that is completely foreign to me and ... it saddens me.

Janet

Janet

[klaasend]

My question is, and I don't think it's so far out there, was the Tattoo the place where girls were targeted? 

NO. It was ONE place.

Joran targetted Natalee & the other MB girls at the HI.
Those kids hang out at the hotels and pick up tourists.

Kermit - I agree, Joran's group of pimps targeted at the HI.  I'm just wondering if some targeting was being done by others on the Tattoo and maybe Steve Croes is involved in that aspect. 

[Destiny]

My question is, and I don't think it's so far out there, was the Tattoo the place where girls were targeted? 

NO. It was ONE place.

Joran targetted Natalee & the other MB girls at the HI.
Those kids hang out at the hotels and pick up tourists.

I agree with ya Kermit...but onw thing is I don't think it was *Joran* who targeted Natalee...

[Destiny]

My mistake ... I did not realize that the images that Klaas posted were video clips.

Janet

The music chosen for those videos really adds to the creep factor, don't you think?

I will let you know in a minute.  I will turn on my speaker.

 

Janet

The video of these young people dancing provocatively and drinking excessively portrays a world that is completely foreign to me and ... it saddens me.

Janet

Janet

I know what you mean Janet...but that is what the under belly of Aruba, is all about...

[Rob]

My question is, and I don't think it's so far out there, was the Tattoo the place where girls were targeted? 

NO. It was ONE place.

Joran targetted Natalee & the other MB girls at the HI.
Those kids hang out at the hotels and pick up tourists.

Kermit - I agree, Joran's group of pimps targeted at the HI.  I'm just wondering if some targeting was being done by others on the Tattoo and maybe Steve Croes is involved in that aspect. 

I now believe, unfortunately, that women are targeted just about anywhere and everywhere on Aruba. It's a mind set, and a bad one at that. It's going to lead to many many more problems in the years to come.

Each predator probably has their own methods, targets, and locale. Just like predators everywhere.

You got a minister alleged to have raped and he says that the sex was for a job and not rape (well, this is the latest version anyway)... now, let me ask you? does that make it right? of course not. I almost wish the old days of nepotism would re-appear so no one has to sell their body or soul to get ahead on that God Forsaken death trap.

[klaasend]

Posted at RU:

Daury R. vast in Amerika’

• OM ontkent connectie met zaak Natalee Holloway • Verdacht van drugssmokkel

Daury R. is aangehouden in de Verenigde Staten. Het Openbaar Ministerie op Aruba ontkent een connectie met de zaak van Natalee Holloway. De voormalige getuige in de zaak Natalee Holloway zit sinds een maand vast in de Verenigde Staten, op verdenking van drugssmokkel. Dat bevestigt het Openbaar Ministerie (OM) op Aruba tegenover Metro. Het OM meldt dat er geen verband bestaat tussen de aanhouding van de 20-jarige Arubaan Daury R. en de zaak van het verdwenen meisje. Joran van der Sloot noemde de naam ‘Daury’ in de inmiddels legendarisch geworden uitzending van Peter R. de Vries. Daarop werd Daury R. aan de tand gevoeld door het OM op Aruba, dat hem vervolgens weer liet gaan. R. stelde op het tijdstip van de verdwijning niet op Aruba te zijn geweest en niet in bezit te zijn geweest van een bootje, waarmee hij het lichaam naar zee zou hebben gebracht en gedumpt volgens Joran. Voorlichter Ann Angela van het OM op Aruba benadrukt dat de aanhouding van R., zo vlak na het verhoor in de zaak Holloway, niets te maken heeft met de zaak van het verdwenen meisje: “Het is een toevallige samenloop van omstandigheden.” De voorlichter laat weten dat justitie op het eiland geen belangstelling heeft om verder met de Amerikaanse autoriteiten in contact te komen over Daury R. “Er heeft ons ook geen nieuwe informatie over de zaak bereikt vanuit de VS.”

JOOST VAN DER WEGEN
redactie@metronieuws.nl

Rough translation:


Daury R. it has been apprehended in the United States. The Public Prosecution Service on Aruba denies a connection with the matter of Natalee Holloway. The former witness in the case Natalee Holloway has been stuck since a month in the United States, on suspicion of drug smuggling. That confirms the Public Prosecution Service (Public Prosecution Service) on Aruba compared with underground railway. Public Prosecution Service communicates that there no link exists between the adjournment of the 20 person whose birthday it is Arubaan Daury R. and the matter of the disappeared little girl. Joran of of the ditch named the name `Daury in meanwhile legendary become the retransmission of Peter R. freeze. Then Daury R. became. felt to the cog by Public Prosecution Service on Aruba, to which him vervolgens pay attention go. R. did not put at the time of disappearance on Aruba have been to be and in possession have been of a small boat, with which he will have brought the body to sea and dumped according to Joran. Voorlichter Ann Angela of Public Prosecution Service on Aruba emphasises that the adjournment of R., this way shortly after the verhoor in the matter Holloway, nothing to do has with the matter of the disappeared little girl: It is an occasional coincidence of circumstances. The voorlichter lets know that justice on the island has to no interest further with the American authorities in contact come concerning Daury R. Us have reached new information also no on the matter from the US.

[Lala'sMom]

Those translations are as clear as mud. LOL


What would be the going rate to procure females for willing to pay male clients?  Aruba is a hotbed of sources for finding women..so just come in pick out one OR give us your preferences and we will locate one for you.  How much would that cost?

[AZSunny]

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The video of these young people dancing provocatively and drinking excessively portrays a world that is completely foreign to me and ... it saddens me.

Janet

Janet
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I know what you mean Janet...but that is what the under belly of Aruba, is all about...
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Unfortunately, I don't think that kind of provactive dancing and drinking is confined to just Aruba.  You can see it here as well.  Any trendy nightclub that appeals to young people, check it out any Friday or Saturday night.  Pretty sad, but true.

[klaasend]

ArubaMilie
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 Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 2:17 pm    Post subject: AA and Continental diverted to Curacao due to strike..   

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AA refused to land in Aruba and Continental also followed and diverted to Curacao. Not enough firefighters on staff due to strike. AA forgets though that the firefighters would come back in a heart beat if there was an emergency! So sad. Hopefully the government will open their eyes now and give the people what they deserve. They all work hard while the government is corrupt and spends like crazy.
 
 http://www.aruba-bb.com/viewtopic.php?t=56923

[Tamikosmom]

My mistake ... I did not realize that the images that Klaas posted were video clips.

Janet

The music chosen for those videos really adds to the creep factor, don't you think?

I will let you know in a minute.  I will turn on my speaker.

 

Janet

The video of these young people dancing provocatively and drinking excessively portrays a world that is completely foreign to me and ... it saddens me.

Janet

Janet

I know what you mean Janet...but that is what the under belly of Aruba, is all about...

Destiny ... I believe that this is what Beth's quest is all about in regards to her Safe Travel's foundation.  She is attempting to educate young people that certain behaviors ... certain choice ...  will put them at risk of becoming victims of the "Jorans" of the world.

However ... as with my eldest son in his late teens ... all the talking in the world can go one ear and out the other.  This guy gradually learned through experience/maturity over a number of years ... that maybe ... just maybe ... his Dad and I were not trying to control his life ... that maybe ... just maybe ... we were looking out for his well being ... maybe ... just maybe ... our foundation was love.

Destiny ... today hubby and I are so thankful that eldest son was was afforded the learning process.  As with Beth and Dave ... many parents are not as fortunate.

Janet

[Destiny]

Janet,

Your Son, is very fortunate to have You, and Your Hubby, care so much for him....Bless You All!

[oceanexploration]

Greetings all.  I don't have time to read through 50 pages of thread.  In a nutshell, anything new or directed at myself or the search team?

Thanks!

[Destiny]

Greetings all.  I don't have time to read through 50 pages of thread.  In a nutshell, anything new or directed at myself or the search team?

Thanks!

Hello OE!...Welcome back!

[Pita]

Rob
I am asking this to determine that Steve Croes was not one of those "guys" that chatted up the MB girls in the casino.  I think I can make that assumption based on the fact that Steve would have been working during that time on the Tattoo.  Steve told Deepak he saw them at the HI dropping off the girl. I think Steve wanted to know what Deepak knew and it backfired on him.  I am basing that on some things posted for me in the Shango thread. I have seen photos of Steve at Moombas before when he wasn't working.  I wish I had checked to see what time and day of the week it was.  I can't remember now how I came by those photos...I think it was someone's vacation photos and I remember him being shown walking off into the night with a girl and someone else.

Anyway, the reason was to determine if he was with Joran at the casinos during the time the MB teens were there at night on Friday and Saturday.  If the Tattoo has daytime cruises also...who DJ's those?  Surely he didn't work both times?  That would be long hours even for a young guy.  IMO

This might be the picture you were referring to with Steve and Cheremy walking off.  It was uploaded August 17, 2005. 



http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/1425766400063453400pNLiAz

[Tamikosmom]

Greetings all.  I don't have time to read through 50 pages of thread.  In a nutshell, anything new or directed at myself or the search team?

Thanks!

Hi Kyle

WhiskeyGirl was very busy a while back bringing John Silvetti's posts of over to the cage.

Janet

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http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2769.40

BFN has a thread "John Silvetti, the Persistence and the Search for Natalee".

John does address questions, and for those that do not read there, here are some snips -

I would like to give everyone at BFN an update on where we stand.  The Persistence completed surveying the initial and extended grids.  Basically, this means that the sonar survey was completed.  Over 275 targets of interest were picked up and analyzed by the sonar interpreters.  Only 25% of the targets were investigated by the ROV.  At that point, we had run out of money and weather.  Louis Schaefer committed a very generous amount of money towards the survey and the rest of us absorbed what we could.  However, that was all based on the initial survey grid.  Once the grid tripled, obviously so did our committments.  The weather had continually increased until we were constantly facing 20 ft. seas. The Persistence can handle 20 foot seas, however, it is very dangerous for the crew and impossible to collect data.  It was taking us 3 days to complete what took us only 1 day the month before.  It was time to call it off.  This was a very difficult thing to do as we had all prepared ourselves to either find Natalee or not.  None of us were prepared to leave not knowing one way or the other.  I believe once the reality set in that we were going to leave without knowing, that was the lowest point in morale of the entire trip.  It took a few days for everyone to shake it off and complete what we could.

Dear John. No, this isn't a goodbye note. lol I would personally like to thank you, Mr. Schaefer, Kyle and ALL of you, for everything you have done and are continuing to do, for Natalee. Thank you for letting us be a part of your search. You all have made us feel closer to Natalee and her family, through you on your search. I just pray that the funds you need to continue your search, will come through.

Thank you also for giving of your time and energy. You are all heroes to us. God Bless you all.

Thank you Jamie for your kind words.  You must realize that the support that everyone posted daily kept us upbeat and working.  You all were truly there with us.  We are currently looking for an ROV vessel we can work with to return to complete the target investigations later in the year.  I just returned last night from New England where I looked at a vessel that was being considered to do this with.

The surveyors from the Persistence were also working with the Maritime Police and Prosecutor's Office utilizing bottom scanning sonar in ponds and murky bodies of water.  This is ongoing, however, the strike on the island has brought this to a halt until the strike is settled.  Rumors claim this may happen on Monday.

More from John ~

John, what can we do to insure that the search is completed?

Also, when the cage was found that was shown on Dateline (pictures also hit the internet) what thoughts, emotions, etc... went through your mind?  Can you elaborate on that for us?  Thanks!

The important thing is to raise funds.  It will require corporate support as well as private donations.  Dave and Beth have been doing a great job getting the word out and while I was on the island, Dave put me in contact with the head of the Hotel Association who is working on raising a sizeable amount.  So many on the island are supporting our efforts as well as people from all over the world.

The media really blew the cage out of proportion.  Although the cage initially provided some moments of "what is in there", I warned all on board that none of this information was to leave the boat.  It was very suspect that a cage of this size was found where it was on the seafloor relative to the coast.  My feelings were this was highly unusual and probably had something to do with something, but not what we were after.  It was decided that the cage would be investigated further by divers, however, it was designated as only a target of interest.  The crew moved onto other targets.  Unfortunately, inexperience and frustration led to premature statements, including that we had found her.  I don't think anyone was more upset than I that this information came off the boat and caused the Holloway family more grief!

John, a lot of BFN posters have asked me how much money would be needed to complete the search.  Can you provide an estimate on what amount would be needed?

It is very difficult to say, since Louis has not selected a ROV vessel and we do not know how much of a humanitarian discount we can count on by the vessel and ROV owners, but my guess is that we will be looking at around 1 million dollars.

]Thank you Pearl.  Your posting were read many times on the Persistence and you became part of the crew!  Your words and the words of so many inspired us to keep enduring, no matter what mother nature threw at us.  We reflected on this on the way home.  The crew worked constantly in weather conditions that were double the usual shut down weather in the Gulf of Mexico.

The relationship between the people of Aruba and the crew of the Persistence was wonderful.  Initially, there was an air of guarded reservation, on both sides, however, once they understood why we were there, not to make headlines or money, but to help the Holloway family and intrinsically the island of Aruba, they opend their arms and their homes to us.  The crew found the people of Aruba to be the "salt of the earth" hard working and family oriented people.  Many had taken time off work to join the search parties and many held prayer vigils in their churches.  We received support from the Police, the Coast Guard, the Port Authority and vitually anyone we needed help from.  One example, we needed a shallow water vessel to investigate areas we were afraid to bring the Persistence into due to water depths and unknown wrecks......a 28 foot vessel, PREDATOR, was provided to us for 4 days at no charge.  The owner would not allow us to pay for the fuel or any of the expenses.  Their support made our work progress much faster.  I am very happy to say that it would take a long time for me to list the names of everyone on the island that supported our efforts.

... I just read a article about water samples and sites recently done in Aruba.  One was at Hooiberg.  This made me wonder about any chance of something being done there as there was a reported cell phone call from Joran's phone made in very early morning hours.   Do you know if these individual places were actually searched with any scanning sonar?

I can not comment on the areas we have been working in as the OM is currently evaluating this information.  I can tell you that I did not try to tie information previously reported to every search area, only because one could spend a lifetime chasing every story and every piece of information.  Reports, previous clues, information from the Police, OM and others led us to the sites we looked at.  I can tell you I spoke to hundreds of people including authorities, x-authorities, locals, psychics (there is a story) and others.

A question about how secure the sites are -

Jamie,
I feel the sites are as safe as they can be.  All survey data that was collected, other than what was shared with the authorities, is in our possesion.  No data has yet to be released, especially target data......locations.

[oceanexploration]

Thanks Janet!  Just thought I'd check in.  I'll get back on in a few days.
~K

[Destiny]

Kyle,

Beth has, with Bram Moscovic...*BIG Lawyer* in NL...filed a suit against the whole Sloot family...big to-do about that....Jorin reportedly in Germany...and in mental hospital...

[Tamikosmom]

Bye Kyle ... see ya in a couple of days.

  

Janet