Natalee Case Discussion #747 4/11 - 4/17/08

[Observer]

I think that one of the biggest reasons I'm still here after 3 years is that I'm pissed off that Aruba thinks we are all STUPID and will fall for their BS.

Same here wreck and I am fuming at this poor attempt to end the case based on lies without justice and without Natalee...It has been one ridiculous and absurd nightmare from the very beginning and they continue to insult our intelligence at every turn

I still can't get over the Minister of Justice calling the two psychics 'Detectives" and that there work should be taken seriously  These are the same two that said Natalee was impregnated by her her step father,was a drug addict and that Beth was a liar and covering up.. They reached a all new low at that point..

[ldstlou]

MEET ME IN DC.....NO JUSTICE FOR NATALEE, NO TOURIST FOR ARUBA.....MEET ME IN DC....NO JUSTICE FOR NATALEE, NO TOURISTS FOR ARUBA...MEET ME IN DC
I AM TELLING YOU...I REALLY THINK WE ARE GOING TO HAVE SOME "SPECIAL PEOPLE"!!!! GET YOUR RESERVATIONS NOW!!!!

[klaasend]

Posted at RU when asked how you got involved in the case and found RU:

Resigned wrote:

I blame all my many friends who have traveled to the island AND Sidney Ponson for getting me interested in this case when I heard the name Aruba mentioned.

Glenda wrote:

Sidney pulled Resigned into this case to do what... I get nothing but critisism from Resigned.... Is is because his Friend Sidney owes Glenda $80,000 ? Hey Pat... Tell Sid to F.Off. And his buddy too that got into gambling debts that was going to be killed if he didn't get the money right away.... Damn Pitchers...

OG, pay attention.

[Tamikosmom]

What do you think *******?

Janet

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Peter Devries
On the Record w/ Greta
February 8, 2008

DE VRIES: Well, the Dutch police is very busy with the investigation. That's what I understood. And they are looking for this guy, whoever it may be.

VAN SUSTEREN: Now, do you have confidence in the Dutch police and the Aruba police in terms of this investigation?

DE VRIES: Yes. I met several guys from the team. I spoke to Hans Mos, the head prosecutor, and I'm confident, quite confident, that they will solve this case finally.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329847,00.html

[Observer]

[SS]

CAPS pulled through.  Read the last few pages of the Shango thread.

[Observer]

What do you think *******?

Janet

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Peter Devries
On the Record w/ Greta
February 8, 2008

DE VRIES: Well, the Dutch police is very busy with the investigation. That's what I understood. And they are looking for this guy, whoever it may be.

VAN SUSTEREN: Now, do you have confidence in the Dutch police and the Aruba police in terms of this investigation?

DE VRIES: Yes. I met several guys from the team. I spoke to Hans Mos, the head prosecutor, and I'm confident, quite confident, that they will solve this case finally.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329847,00.html

I think he is fighting to be the greatest crime journalist,but at the same time the Authorities are asking him to step away from the Cover Up and not to reveal anything that will hurt Aruba's image/tourism. I think they asked De Vries to step away,to not interfere and that they will solve the case. I believe De Vries knows this Cover Up goes deep but can't do anything about it. I think he is suspicious like we are but won't admit it and he has info that he cannot release. They are lying to him just like they are to us. I believe in Peter De Vries but sometimes fame and fortune can even make great people like himself look the other way.MO

They may have opened the tip line and done some research into Daury Rodriguez,Daury Fransisco and Lorenzo Van Rijn but the Higher Powers had no intentions of releasing the truth. I have zero faith they are actively Investigating this case with 25 detectives. I think they are in shutdown mode and that was a attempt by the Aruban Govt to end this case based on lies with no Justice for Natalee. IMO

[SS]

 Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
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Quote from: SS on Today at 10:16:29 PM
Quote from: CapsLockWizard on Today at 09:46:23 PM
The Night in question, Natalee was brought here.

The pace is called Matty Appartments. There are 6 Apratment in a long row

The Aprtments do not have a number since noboy lives there permanent. The Address is Noort 15-A

It is behind a house and accesavle form the main road, almost 150 meters The Lekker Restaurant.

The night in question, They would not have gone to the WhiteHouse Apartment since it only accept couples and notting else. no group parties. For Paprty one need to use the WhiteHouse Cocktail Lounge.


Now manage the Matty Apartments.

Heidweiller   Carlos R   4/15/1955   Paramaribo   Noord 15A
Heidweiller   Lilian   12/16/1960   Paramaribo   Noord 15A
Heidweiller   Lyndon D   11/12/1964   Paramaribo   Noord 15A

All these people are from Surinam. The guy at the door / office looks like a Hindu


This is a location of where they have gone. That nght. Movie was made in this appartment. Now which Apartment did they use. I do not know. but my guess would be the last one all the way in the back.

Now if you have to make 2 hr movie and she died after that, it would be easy to get rid of the body right there in the murky pool of Monserat. It is just across the street.

and the cleaning of the appartment would have been easy since it is not in view of the street. The house was dusted.

the XTC and the DNA is just accoss from each other.

I still need a name for the escort that provided the service for the deflowering of forbidden fruits that Quido Wever  is part off and the so is Julia Renfro.

See map of the Location.







Oh CAPS, I am just absolutely overwhelmed with horror. 


What can be done to search this pond?  Do the Halloways and the FBI have this information?  Was Natalee the only young woman that was victimized for two hours?  What does Anita's mother and Paulus's brother have to do with this?  I am horrified at Renfro.  CAPS, what can we do?


Status
Dave know about this place. The Ocean Explorer scanned the pond. They have the map and know what is in it.

John stayed and kept an eye on the side with the ALE till before the strike begin. 2 days the before venezuala crisis, John and some one scanned the pond.

This is the pond that my report show in January. The info was passed to Dave ten hand it was scan before they left to the state.

Now shango is pointing to the same area.

We need forensec down here ASAP but who will request this to Hans MOS. or the FBI should come down but they to know about this area. I did sent my report to them in January. but notting has been done. The Shango is showing also an peace pipe offering...

TBC.

CAPS

[Observer]

Shango did point to that same area and thought they would find Natalee during that first search. I don't think any of us can forget when they threw rocks and yelled obsentities at the search team

[Destiny]

ARUBA SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!....The...Ghost will not be silent...

[Tamikosmom]

******* ... I found it!  Patrick doubted your words that Hans Mos blamed the family, media and DEA ...

Janet

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John Kelly
On the Record w/ Greta
December 4, 2007

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Imus threatened to sue CBS for breach of contract when he was fired and CBS settled for an undisclosed amount. Imus's new radio show features a new cast, including two African-American comedians.

And the Kalpoe brothers are free. Satish and Deepak Kalpoe walked out of jail on Saturday. John Q. Kelly, the lawyer for Natalee's parents, spent the weekend with the Holloways in Aruba and met with the prosecutor, Hans Mos. Will there be an appeal? What's going to happen next? What do the Holloways think about all of this? All these questions for John Q. Kelly, who joins us in New York. John, how was your weekend?

JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY ATTORNEY: Disappointing, Greta. I think it was disappointing to me and actually extraordinarily painful and almost cruel for Beth and Dave after being down there.

VAN SUSTEREN: And the reason is because the prosecutor doesn't know what he's doing?

KELLY: Well, you know, it's just a combination — raised expectations, misleading statements in terms of, you know, "significant new incriminating evidence," you know, the possibilities of getting some answers and getting some resolution in this case, and you know, approaching with skepticism and finding out that you're never pleasantly surprised. It's the same thing. They've made no progress and no results down there, Greta.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. The misleading statements is probably the - - you know, the big headline out of what you just recited...

KELLY: Sure.

VAN SUSTEREN: ... because that's really bad. The prosecutor had misleading statements?

KELLY: Well, in their press release and even in conversations. I had a long discussion with him Thanksgiving morning after the arrests, and you know, he indicated that they were very confident, this new evidence they had, this incriminating evidence. And it turns out, quite frankly, that it is nothing new, Greta. It's just the — you know, the — you know, the contradictory statements the boys made and some other accounts and the timeline and things like that that's been out there for two-and-a-half years now.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. So you can say with 100 percent certainly there's nothing new, right?

KELLY: I can say it with 99 percent. Unless everybody's pulling something off at this point, I don't think there's anything new. The defense attorneys know there's nothing new, so I don't think I'm speaking out of school in saying that, either, Greta.

VAN SUSTEREN: And nothing new, incriminating, 100 percent certainly, or 99, whatever number you want to put on it.

KELLY: Well, clearly. I mean, a judge determined there wasn't even enough to hold the Kalpoes for further interrogation. I hate to say it, I'm fairly certain Joran Van Der Sloot will be released Friday, if not sooner. And if he wasn't released by some chance, I think the prosecution would probably, you know, agree to have him released shortly thereafter.

VAN SUSTEREN: Well, if the judge says that and if you agree with that and the prosecutor thinks otherwise, somebody's nuts.

KELLY: I hope it's not me, Greta. And you know, I feel pretty confident about this. I know expressed it to you, I expressed it to Beth and Dave right after it broke. And you know, it's really unfortunate. It's really sad. You know, Beth and Dave want nothing more than to bring Natalee home. They'd like to say goodbye. They'd like to get some answers and they'd like to see some progress made. And it's not fair to bring them down there with the false promises, with raised expectations, sort of a dog and pony show down there with no substance.

And it was — it just really took whatever spirit, almost, that Beth and Dave had left, went through that this weekend. It was really — it was terribly painful, for lack of a better expression.

VAN SUSTEREN: Is it over, number one, in terms of the investigation? And number two, is the investigation incompetent?

KELLY: I think it's clearly over. As I said, when you don't have enough evidence to even hold the primary suspects for further interrogation, you certainly don't have enough to hold them until trial, and you certainly don't have enough to try them and/or convict them. It's pretty simple. And I said that directly to Hans Mos at the end of our meeting Saturday. It's — you know, it's pretty easy...

VAN SUSTEREN: Incompetent?

KELLY: I think it was extremely incompetent to start. You had three young men, the last ones who were seen with her. They knew what car she had bee in. She was missing without ID, credit cards, money, no cell phone, nothing. She didn't disappear on her own. And they didn't seize the car. They didn't detain the boys originally. They didn't question them separately. I think it was all incompetent.

VAN SUSTEREN: Well, I sat with the prosecutor, and I actually thought he was a pretty smart guy until all this unfolded. But he told me that the reason the investigation had failed was because of two reasons. One is the family and bringing in the DA who happened to be there on the island at the time. And the other is the media. That's why he said that this has failed.

KELLY: You know, that's so sad because even now, as I speak, as I said, everything I might say based on conversations with him, you know, defense attorneys have had in their hands for 10 days now, two weeks. So it's nothing new being revealed here. And to — you know, he's the one holding press conferences. He's the one that sat down for the long interview with you before I ever spoke to you.

And you know, I'm sure he's a very smart guy, but he had no answers to any of the questions we asked when we were down there. It was kind of sad that even the first questions we started asking him, he had no answers to.

VAN SUSTEREN: Karin Janssen, the former chief prosecutor, look good right now?

KELLY: I think she brought more passion to the case. No more answers, but I think she was fully committed to the case, Greta.

VAN SUSTEREN: Well, I — you know, there's still — obviously, things are not revolving today or soon, but maybe some day, they'll get the answers, whatever they may be. John, thank you.

KELLY: OK. Thanks, Greta.

[Tamikosmom]

Good Night Monkeys

Janet
10:00 PM

[Destiny]

Good Night Monkeys

Janet
10:00 PM

Good Night Janet...and all Loving Monkeys...

[Observer]

Thanks Janet!

Night everyone

[Observer]

I see Otmar and Hendrik are all over tomorrows Awemainta newspaper..This Croes Family is as corrupt as you can get and clearly are above the law in Aruba..Hendrik recently committed a hit and run on a police officer and likely will not even get a slap on the wrist. The only one who may be more corrupt then Hendrik is the Minister of Injustice,his brother..I think Betico is rolling in his grave about now

[Observer]

The latest murder victim who was burned beyond recognition is identified. I think klaas already potsed his name earlier.

Giovanni Felix Adamus 41 yrs old "yellowman" and the article mentions the Mafia

[GBMW]

so now most you think patrick is a con man and is working together with the van der sloots?
because he is opposing the boycott?

of course he is bias towards the island because he was brought up there. but that doesn't make him a con man.
think for a moment how difficult it is for him acknowledge that his beloved country is a corrupt banana republic.
but maybe one day patrick will be able to realize that.

in that respect arubans are not much different from americans i think.

is this not just a little paranoia putting a man straight away in the van der sloot camp when he disagree on a issue with the monkeys?

and joran knew he was being taped in the car. how stupid is he then?
he is a dead man walking now for the rest of his live. what a genius.

and all this is foretold by the shango story? don't know exactly how this works but is this some kind of fortune teller who knew back in 2005 about patrick and the car confession?

please think twice before thinking of patrick as a con man.
for now i can't believe patrick would have been able to con peter r. de vries.
or do we think peter r. de vries is in this too?
i that case i can tell you, you are mistaken.

Like your post Caesu!

I am against a boycott though....there is corruption on Aruba...but  in which country  doesn't this exist? I'm against it because people that have nothing to do with it shouldn't suffer.

[johan555]

This message was yesterday that nwo blogje
It can be a  fake message.

Ricardo Says:

April 15th, 2008 at 23:52
This is not succeed boys. According to reliable sources, I hear that J. Thursday to Aruba to come. Then everything will come to light, the PPS is indeed been very busy lately, and with… result!

[Peaches]

Sorry Lou ... I cannot get past the jammies and bare feet.

 

Janet

You kill me Janet!!! Pink ones to boot!! But trust me I looked scarey!!! Lucky I didn't have my slippers on!!! My 7 year old bought them for me for Christmas...they are froggies w/ a lady bug on their head!!! hahahahahhahaha

 

Lou ... just picturing the scene.

 

Reminds me of my longtime neighbour/friend.  Every morning she would do her hair perfectly ... apply makeup and ... then put an expensive jacket over her flannel nighty and then ... drive her kids to school wearing her slippers.  My kids went to an independent school and ... were picked up by a school bus so ... I was having my morning coffee and ... reading a newpaper (prior to personal computers and cell phones.) when my phone rang.  She was calling from the school office ... students and staff everywhere ... her car would not start.  I drove to the school and picked her up.  She was so embarrassed but ... it sure made a memory that we still laugh about today.

Janet     

ok..now you have me going!! lol o/t...excuse me!!! My son goes to private school so I have to drive him. Spend an hour getting him ready then I come home and get me ready, I kid you not!!! I drive him to school everyday in my jammies. One day we were late....which means you have to walk in and sign him in. We were late because he was having an asthma attack earlier. So I walk him in wearing my "puppy dog" jammies under my coat...but not only did I have to humiliate myself in front of the office staff and principal...they asked me to walk him to class and talk to his teacher who also had asthma. I have never been so humiliated in all of my life!!! We have NEVER been late again either!!! hahahahhahahhaha

 

Lou ... you just have to get dressed prior to driving your son to school.  I can think of several scenarios that could make you late or ... just being put in a position have having to get out of your vehicle.

I thought my neighbour was the one and only one who did that.

 

Janet

Geez, I'm busted too.   I have driven my daughter to school on several occasions where I was staying home sick and she had to go to school.  In order to have more time with her, I'd drive her to school via McDonalds for breakfast in my Monkee jammies.  I can definitely see where an emergency might arise which would necessitate getting out of the car in one's jammies, I just don't care.  I would advise wearing shoes though since in some states it is against the law to drive barefoot.

[Rob]

This message was yesterday that nwo blogje
It can be a  fake message.

Ricardo Says:

April 15th, 2008 at 23:52
This is not succeed boys. According to reliable sources, I hear that J. Thursday to Aruba to come. Then everything will come to light, the PPS is indeed been very busy lately, and with… result!

Hi Johan, I can see this could be true. But, only to keep Joran from testifying at the civil trial. Lock him up again and he can't testify.

Possibly another Aruban legal road block.