Natalee Case Discussion #747 4/11 - 4/17/08

[ldstlou]

Questions for Paulus

Why were both of your vehicles confiscated?

Why were you looking up the effects of Drugs and Alcohol on teenagers in the middle of the night?

Why were you looking up the phone numbers of attorneys in the middle of the night?

What is your timeline?

Why did you say you left the casino when you are clearly still there?

Were your kids at home or in Holland?

Where is you cell phone?

Who is pulling the strings for you?

Why were documents missing when you were cleaning out your desk and fired?

- that's just for starters.

please feel free to add.

Why say "no body, no crime" if you didn't know there was a body and a crime?

Why hire a lawyer for Deepak and Satish within days if you didn't know they were involved in the crime along with your son and yourself!!!

[sirensong]

WOW, Idstlou, awesome, awesome response!!

Although I respect Patrick's opinion, I do not agree with it and am totally surprised by it!   Did he really think this was all that was needed, a  confession from Joran, to absolve Aruba from responsibility?  Unbelievable.  Yes, he needs to start from page one at SM and look at  the WHOLE story.

[ldstlou]

WOW, Idstlou, awesome, awesome response!!

Although I respect Patrick's opinion, I do not agree with it and am totally surprised by it!   Did he really think this was all that was needed, a  confession from Joran, to absolve Aruba from responsibility?  Unbelievable.  Yes, he needs to start from page one at SM and look at  the WHOLE story.

absolutely!!! And although what he did was commendable, and opened the doors for a civil suit, it was Beth and Jug who handed the case to the ALE within 48 hours of Natalee's disappearance. Why did it even have to go this far or this long? Why was Partick's services even needed? Because ALE is corrupt and wanted to cover up the crimes against Natalee!!!

[Dayhiker]

Here was my response to Patrick. Hope others will post their responses and views in the DC protest thread.

Patrick,
It was a pleasure to receive an e-mail from you, I had no idea you were on this e-mail list. I have nothing but respect for what you have done for Beth and Natalee. It must have been  very difficult for you, dealing with Joran for all those months, but very rewarding to you in the end. I am so glad I had the opportunity to hear from you, and to respond to you.
 
I have had the pleasure of getting to know some members of Natalee's family and they have nothing but great things to say about the local Arubans, I am sure they are absolutely wonderful people. Everyone on this email has their own opinion, including yourself. I just want to take a moment and express my opinions on the matter and hope you will respect my view as I respect yours. I have a 7 year old son. He is the light of my life!! I don't know if I could survive if something happened to him. I know if he died as Natalee did, I would find away to make it through until I could find Justice for him and bring him home for a proper burial, just as Beth is doing. I would owe him that. As a parent I am sure you can understand that. I lead the protest here in St Louis a few weeks ago. Our message was simple, no Justice for Natalee, no Tourists for Aruba. Although I have no ill feelings towards the people of Aruba, how could I, I have never met them, I do however believe strongly that if you are going to invite people to your home, you must insure their safety, I have absolutely no confidence what so ever, that the police and officials of Aruba have our safety and best interests in mind. None Patrick. My lack of confidence does not come from hatred, nor prejudice, it comes from experience, it comes from watching this case from day one. It comes from seeing the reality of how Beth and her family were treated, how Dave Holloway was treated, and how Aruban officials made a choice when Natalee disappeared, and that choice was that American tourism dollars were more important than sending Natalee home.
Now as a mother, I teach my son, the choices that you make have consequences. Aruban officials and their Tourism Associations made a choice, they decided it was more important to keep their reputation as a "safe island" than to bring Natalee's murderers to justice. Their choices have consequences, one of which is I , as well as many others, no longer feel Aruba is a safe place, nor an honorable place. There is absolutely no honor, nor pride in how Natalee was treated, nor in how her family and friends were treated. I believe in honor, I believe in respect. I think you do also Patrick, I think you have shown those qualities are important to you. I think you believe in liberty and justice therefore I hope you understand my reasons for protesting Aruba's Tourists Associations coming to American seeking our hard earned dollars we save for our families to rest and enjoy our much earned vacations, without showing us the respect we deserve for choosing Aruba. Aruba lost my respect Patrick, as a result of their choices, they lost the respect of a lot of Americans. Until they earn our respect back, I will protest their attempts to draw us to their island for our family vacations.
You are correct in saying crime happens everywhere. We have plenty here in St Louis!!! The difference Patrick is that here in St Louis, if a crime occurs, I have every confidence in the world that I can go to my police and local politicians and receive justice. The irony of Aruba billing itself as the safest island is, that in order to sell that notion, they can't acknowledge that they have any crime. As a result of billing itself as the safest island, when they do have a crime, they have to cover it up...can you see the vicious cycle? And almost 3 years later, we don't see anything has changed.
So until Aruba takes responsibility for their crime, which as you said, happens everywhere. Until Aruba takes responsibility for what happened to Natalee. Until Aruba takes responsibility for the cover up of Natalee's death. Until Aruba takes responsibility for what they put Beth and Dave and Jug and all of Natalee's family through. Until they take responsibility for what they put members of Scared Monkeys through. Until Aruba takes responsibility for watching family and friends digging through mounds of garbage and sending them on wild goose chases to crack houses. Until Aruba takes responsibility for funding websites designed to counter our efforts to find Natalee. Until Aruban officials acknowledge that they spent millions on disinformation campaigns and campaigns to discredit and disgrace Natalee's reputation and that of her family and friends who til this day, still mourn her and long for a proper burial. Until I know for sure, that the youth of Aruba have stopped looking at our daughters as "easy prey"; slip them a date rape drug, rape them and drop them off at their hotels just in time for them to catch their plane home.Until Aruba takes responsibility for their choices, I will be there at these protests with my message, No Justice for Natalee, No tourism for Aruba. I hope you can respect my opnion, as I have respected yours.
Thank you,
"ldstlou"

You laid it out there perfectly Ldstlou! Patrick has blinders on which is understandable, he loves Aruba. But that doesn't absolve the other Dutchies on Aruba of wrongdoing. The proof is of corruption is there, has always been there, and will continue to be a thorn in Aruba's side IN THE FORM OF A BOYCOTT until they throw Joran's ass in prison.

[ldstlou]

Here was my response to Patrick. Hope others will post their responses and views in the DC protest thread.

Patrick,
It was a pleasure to receive an e-mail from you, I had no idea you were on this e-mail list. I have nothing but respect for what you have done for Beth and Natalee. It must have been  very difficult for you, dealing with Joran for all those months, but very rewarding to you in the end. I am so glad I had the opportunity to hear from you, and to respond to you.
 
I have had the pleasure of getting to know some members of Natalee's family and they have nothing but great things to say about the local Arubans, I am sure they are absolutely wonderful people. Everyone on this email has their own opinion, including yourself. I just want to take a moment and express my opinions on the matter and hope you will respect my view as I respect yours. I have a 7 year old son. He is the light of my life!! I don't know if I could survive if something happened to him. I know if he died as Natalee did, I would find away to make it through until I could find Justice for him and bring him home for a proper burial, just as Beth is doing. I would owe him that. As a parent I am sure you can understand that. I lead the protest here in St Louis a few weeks ago. Our message was simple, no Justice for Natalee, no Tourists for Aruba. Although I have no ill feelings towards the people of Aruba, how could I, I have never met them, I do however believe strongly that if you are going to invite people to your home, you must insure their safety, I have absolutely no confidence what so ever, that the police and officials of Aruba have our safety and best interests in mind. None Patrick. My lack of confidence does not come from hatred, nor prejudice, it comes from experience, it comes from watching this case from day one. It comes from seeing the reality of how Beth and her family were treated, how Dave Holloway was treated, and how Aruban officials made a choice when Natalee disappeared, and that choice was that American tourism dollars were more important than sending Natalee home.
Now as a mother, I teach my son, the choices that you make have consequences. Aruban officials and their Tourism Associations made a choice, they decided it was more important to keep their reputation as a "safe island" than to bring Natalee's murderers to justice. Their choices have consequences, one of which is I , as well as many others, no longer feel Aruba is a safe place, nor an honorable place. There is absolutely no honor, nor pride in how Natalee was treated, nor in how her family and friends were treated. I believe in honor, I believe in respect. I think you do also Patrick, I think you have shown those qualities are important to you. I think you believe in liberty and justice therefore I hope you understand my reasons for protesting Aruba's Tourists Associations coming to American seeking our hard earned dollars we save for our families to rest and enjoy our much earned vacations, without showing us the respect we deserve for choosing Aruba. Aruba lost my respect Patrick, as a result of their choices, they lost the respect of a lot of Americans. Until they earn our respect back, I will protest their attempts to draw us to their island for our family vacations.
You are correct in saying crime happens everywhere. We have plenty here in St Louis!!! The difference Patrick is that here in St Louis, if a crime occurs, I have every confidence in the world that I can go to my police and local politicians and receive justice. The irony of Aruba billing itself as the safest island is, that in order to sell that notion, they can't acknowledge that they have any crime. As a result of billing itself as the safest island, when they do have a crime, they have to cover it up...can you see the vicious cycle? And almost 3 years later, we don't see anything has changed.
So until Aruba takes responsibility for their crime, which as you said, happens everywhere. Until Aruba takes responsibility for what happened to Natalee. Until Aruba takes responsibility for the cover up of Natalee's death. Until Aruba takes responsibility for what they put Beth and Dave and Jug and all of Natalee's family through. Until they take responsibility for what they put members of Scared Monkeys through. Until Aruba takes responsibility for watching family and friends digging through mounds of garbage and sending them on wild goose chases to crack houses. Until Aruba takes responsibility for funding websites designed to counter our efforts to find Natalee. Until Aruban officials acknowledge that they spent millions on disinformation campaigns and campaigns to discredit and disgrace Natalee's reputation and that of her family and friends who til this day, still mourn her and long for a proper burial. Until I know for sure, that the youth of Aruba have stopped looking at our daughters as "easy prey"; slip them a date rape drug, rape them and drop them off at their hotels just in time for them to catch their plane home.Until Aruba takes responsibility for their choices, I will be there at these protests with my message, No Justice for Natalee, No tourism for Aruba. I hope you can respect my opnion, as I have respected yours.
Thank you,
"ldstlou"

You laid it out there perfectly Ldstlou! Patrick has blinders on which is understandable, he loves Aruba. But that doesn't absolve the other Dutchies on Aruba of wrongdoing. The proof is of corruption is there, has always been there, and will continue to be a thorn in Aruba's side IN THE FORM OF A BOYCOTT until they throw Joran's ass in prison.

Amen hiker!!! Now let's all toast to that in DC!!!! Will you join us???!!!!

[ldstlou]

have to head out!!! Have a great day all!!!

And meet me in DC!!!!! 

[Destiny]

Questions for Paulus

Why were both of your vehicles confiscated?

*To have them taken to the same place that Deepaks' car was taken...to be cleaned, and detailed...all sparkly shiny new...

Why were you looking up the effects of Drugs and Alcohol on teenagers in the middle of the night?

*Just for kicks...I like to look up stuff like this...I do it all the time...

Why were you looking up the phone numbers of attorneys in the middle of the night?

*checking out the competition...it's rough being a Lawer on an Island with no crime ya know...work is hard to come by...

What is your timeline?

*I'll get back to you on that one...gotta go wash all this sweat off...pesky sweat...drips all over everything...

Why did you say you left the casino when you are clearly still there?

* Pesky, pesky sweat....be right back...

Were your kids at home or in Holland?

*Jeeez....where does all this sweat come from...ummm..it can't be the cocaine.

Where is you cell phone?

*which one?

Who is pulling the strings for you?

*shhhhhh....Anita might hear you....

Why were documents missing when you were cleaning out your desk and fired?

*Ask the janitor...she..oops...*he* cleaned out my desk for me...pesky sweat...at least I wear long sleeve shirts to soak it all up...

- that's just for starters.

please feel free to add.

I did 

[Dayhiker]

horse hockey!!! criminals DO roam free on Aruba... and I wish they would just stop that line of BS. Not only do they roam free - they are flocking there as by evidence of the National Century scandal....it's more bullshit!!!

if someone is facing a death sentence here in the US they would be an idiot to run to Mexico and not Aruba. In Mexico they will ship you back provided the capital sentence is taken off the table. On Aruba they will give you a green card and a new identity and hook you up with a casino job. JACKPOT!

The boycott is voluntary!!!! so.... why would I take my life in my own hands again? that makes no sense. Even if I am not a gang rape victim, I could end up like Gary Makings or Buddy Larson... or little Max... no effin' thanks. I'll stay in the states and see some areas I have always wanted to see.

And this malarky of "the beach" is really really pissing me off. The Sloots achieved their objected - insulate Paulus and remove the house of horrors from just about everyone's memory. I bet that works real nice when Anita has her garden club over. No crime here... look the other way... my house is not a rape and murder home. I have no idea how anyone can look at that woman with out wanting to throw her in the ocean... utterly repulsive.

so thanks - NOT... I want the truth and not a portion of it.

BOYCOTT ROLLS ON!!! AND I'LL KEEP TELLING PEOPLE NOT TO GO THERE.

In fact, Bro, that is exacltly why they covered the crimes against Natalee up... so they could continue their criminal way of life being a drug and money laundering haven. So they could continue to drug tourists to get their jollies. Too many people in the government and law enforcement are part of the organized crime syndicate(s) that own and run Aruba.

They don't want to clean up Aruba because they would lose their under-the-table paychecks and drug oriented way of life.

[Tamikosmom]

If it was a perfect world the bad guy would always go to jail, but it is not a perfect world. Yours neither Aruba’s. The boycott can go on forever, but at a certain point it ceases to be any good for anyone and that point started after I got Joran’ confession and Beth found peace after she came to know what happened to her daughter.

Greetings,

Patrick van der Eem

http://patrickvandereem.nl/

Patrick fails to comprehend.  Beth may have found a measure of peace but ... that peace did not stop her from doing the talk show circuit following the airing of the video recording and ... exposing what she perceives as a corrupt investigation.

Janet

++++++++++++++

Beth Holloway
On the Record w/ Greta
February 7, 2008

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you think, if the Aruban police asked that question within 48 hours of Natalee disappearing, and now we hear it on the tape with Joran two-and-a-half or three-and-a-half years later, whatever it is by now — do you think the Aruban police heard him say that? Do you think he told that to the Aruban police that night when they talked to him?

HOLLOWAY: I have absolutely no doubt that the only reason why that question was asked of us was they had a confession or an admission of this from Joran Van Der Sloot himself. So definitely. There is no way that we cannot tie what Joran said — you know, no way that we cannot tie when Joran said during that taped interview to what was asked of us from Dennis Jacobs not — within 48 hours. Absolutely. Absolutely, they knew.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329348,00.html


Beth Holloway
DATELINE
February 23, 2008

Beth Holloway: The facts are within 48 hours of Natalee's disappearance, a lead detective asked me if she had a history of epilepsy or seizures. Two and a half years later, the main suspect himself, admits that Natalee -- he felt as if she suffered an epilepsy or seizure. And he even indicates how she's shaking. So, if we look at just that one-- just that one piece, that's one thread out of a lot. Then, I have to say yes, there definitely was some collusion and corruption going on in the early days of Natalee's disappearance. Absolutely.
 
However, according to the prosecutor's office it's standard procedure to ask if a missing person might have a seizure disorder.

Police and prosecution officials declined on-camera interviews, but have consistently denied that there was any corruption, collusion or mishandling of the investigation.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23301056/page/6/


Jug Twitty
NANCY GRACE
February 15, 2008

HUGHES: Well, Jug, my heart goes out to you and your family. I`m so sorry for this tragedy. You mentioned a little earlier that you think this has been a cover-up and a conspiracy from the very beginning. Can you just let our viewers know a couple of examples that makes you feel that way?

TWITTY: Well, I mean, I`ve said it several times, you know, to go over it again, but in the beginning, you know, they ask us questions about the epilepsy and everything, which you wouldn`t normally ask somebody that right out of the chute. So they knew like the second night that she probably wasn`t alive.

And then, just like all the stuff like when all the people that were there, all the people that came with me to help, they never even questioned us for two weeks. If they wanted an answer, they could have got a lot of the answers about the deal about the 4:00 in the morning when he said he picked him up at McDonald`s. There were a lot of those answers there that they could have had if they wanted them. And just I think they got in it early to, you know, cover up, and they just had to cover their tracks all the way through.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/15/ng.01.html

[Dayhiker]

You laid it out there perfectly Ldstlou! Patrick has blinders on which is understandable, he loves Aruba. But that doesn't absolve the other Dutchies on Aruba of wrongdoing. The proof is of corruption is there, has always been there, and will continue to be a thorn in Aruba's side IN THE FORM OF A BOYCOTT until they throw Joran's ass in prison.

Amen hiker!!! Now let's all toast to that in DC!!!! Will you join us???!!!!

Way too far from me Lisa but if they ever have the balls to put on a show in my neck of the woods you can bet I'll be there! My hat is off to all the Great Monkeys who have participated in the protests, all deserve a medal.

[Rob]

WOW, Idstlou, awesome, awesome response!!

Although I respect Patrick's opinion, I do not agree with it and am totally surprised by it!   Did he really think this was all that was needed, a  confession from Joran, to absolve Aruba from responsibility?  Unbelievable.  Yes, he needs to start from page one at SM and look at  the WHOLE story.

absolutely!!! And although what he did was commendable, and opened the doors for a civil suit, it was Beth and Jug who handed the case to the ALE within 48 hours of Natalee's disappearance. Why did it even have to go this far or this long? Why was Partick's services even needed? Because ALE is corrupt and wanted to cover up the crimes against Natalee!!!

why indeed!!!

Hi Ya Dayhiker...

[Rob]

horse hockey!!! criminals DO roam free on Aruba... and I wish they would just stop that line of BS. Not only do they roam free - they are flocking there as by evidence of the National Century scandal....it's more bullshit!!!

if someone is facing a death sentence here in the US they would be an idiot to run to Mexico and not Aruba. In Mexico they will ship you back provided the capital sentence is taken off the table. On Aruba they will give you a green card and a new identity and hook you up with a casino job. JACKPOT!

The boycott is voluntary!!!! so.... why would I take my life in my own hands again? that makes no sense. Even if I am not a gang rape victim, I could end up like Gary Makings or Buddy Larson... or little Max... no effin' thanks. I'll stay in the states and see some areas I have always wanted to see.

And this malarky of "the beach" is really really pissing me off. The Sloots achieved their objected - insulate Paulus and remove the house of horrors from just about everyone's memory. I bet that works real nice when Anita has her garden club over. No crime here... look the other way... my house is not a rape and murder home. I have no idea how anyone can look at that woman with out wanting to throw her in the ocean... utterly repulsive.

so thanks - NOT... I want the truth and not a portion of it.

BOYCOTT ROLLS ON!!! AND I'LL KEEP TELLING PEOPLE NOT TO GO THERE.

In fact, Bro, that is exacltly why they covered the crimes against Natalee up... so they could continue their criminal way of life being a drug and money laundering haven. So they could continue to drug tourists to get their jollies. Too many people in the government and law enforcement are part of the organized crime syndicate(s) that own and run Aruba.

They don't want to clean up Aruba because they would lose their under-the-table paychecks and drug oriented way of life.

right Dayhiker - this is what they teach at the Wharton School of Business. Rape and Murder your customers. It's bad enough that people are paying customers that go to enjoy some down time and relax away from the worries of their everyday life, only to find out they just got dropped in the piranha tank. Real nice!!! Real Effin' nice!

no wonder they need a Shango!

[klaasend]

I'm wondering now if Patrick even wrote/posted that.  His website is down right now.  Could be someone hacked into it.

http://patrickvandereem.nl/

[Destiny]

I'm wondering now if Patrick even wrote/posted that.  His website is down right now.  Could be someone hacked into it.

http://patrickvandereem.nl/

Mornin' Klaas...my little Monkey whispered in my ear...said to ask you to check ur email....

I Wubs my widdle Monkey!...Thanks!!!

[Tamikosmom]

Patrick ... if you are reading ... try to comprehend the implication of the words spoken by Natalee's parents and ...  feel their frustration.  Beth, Dave and Jug sincerely believe that there was a coverup in the investigation of their beloved Natalee.

Janet

++++++++++++


Jug Twitty
NANCY GRACE
October 4, 2005

JUG TWITTY: Nancy, what happened -- well, I think it was probably about 30 days after, or so, maybe the 1st of July or something. I had a meeting with Van Der Straaten, who was the police chief in charge at that time. And I went in and sat down with him and told him and Officer Sanboe (ph), who was going to take over for Van Der Straaten. He was there, too.

You know, I asked a question about, I understand that there was a statement made by Joran, where he talks about what he had done to Natalee and he described in very graphic detail, like, the stitching and embroidery and everything on Natalee`s underwear. And he goes, Oh, no, no, no. Absolutely not. Absolutely not. Well, little did he know I had just read the statements where Joran describes that to the "T," you know, two days before. But of course, I didn`t tell him that. But that`s just when I started to think something`s wrong here.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0510/04/ng.01.html


Beth Twitty
'Scarborough Country'
October 21, 2005

HOLLOWAY TWITTY: They never—they never wanted to implicate these three young men.  They never wanted to implicate them from the beginning. And there is a list of reasons, you know, why we know that is true.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9796403/from/RL.2/


Beth Twitty
The Sun
January 29, 2007

Twitty recalled the first days after her daughter's disappearance and the actions of the Aruban government.

"We did everything we could in looking for her.  There was a government coverup, and it has been documented," Twitty contended. "Yet we have remained respectful and have done the right thing."

http://www.jonesborosun.com/story.php?ID=25809


Jug Twitty
'Scarborough Country'
August 11, 2005

TWITTY: ... but when they take my statement 33 days later, and they take the other guys‘ statements that were with me and ladies that were with me, you know, like 19 days later, it‘s like they didn‘t want to find the truth.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8925176/


Beth Twitty
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
December 5, 2005

TWITTY: ... Remember, within the first 24 hours, we knew who the suspects were. We knew the persons that Natalee were taken from Carlos and Charlie‘s. We knew the license plate of the gray Honda they placed her in. We knew the condition that Natalee was in. We knew the behavior or the conduct in which they engaged in with Natalee.

And then not only that, Jane, within 72 hours, we knew that their first story was totally fabricated, that within the first 72 hours, I faced a room of 12 -- at least 12 detectives, Aruban and Dutch detectives, and a lead detective, Dennis Jacobs (ph), and they knew after we reviewed video footage from the Holiday Inn casino lobby that my daughter had never been brought back to the Holiday Inn. They knew that those suspects were fabricating a story from day one.

<snipped>

TWITTY: Well, Jane, something that the family knew—and we have to keep reminding everyone—after 72 hours -- 72 hours—we knew definitively that these suspects were not telling the truth. We knew that my daughter had never been brought back to the Holiday Inn. Of course we were becoming frustrated. Who wouldn‘t, at this point? You know, we—and what was so unbelievable about this, is they knew this information and still chose to pursue the two security guards on June the 5th.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10348437/


Beth Twitty
DR. PHIL SHOW
January 29, 2006

BETH: There are times when we're thinking that we need to continue, and of course we're still searching for answers, but it's this rollercoaster ride. And it makes me so angry, Dr. Phil, when I let myself fall for information coming out of an official who represents the island of Aruba. If somebody presents you with false hope and false information, it's devastating.

http://www.drphil.com/slideshows/slideshow/3041/?id=1&slide=3&null=null


Dave Holloway
Corruption in Paradise
Page 183

I commented to Jacobs about how short my statement was. He said that I could add anything I wanted to it. Also, I noticed that Eric Soemers's name was on it, but that detective was not even present during the interview. Now I wondered if Jacobs was making up everyone's statement and getting Eric to sign on to them. If that were the case, he could state anything he wanted, and it would look like an official statement made in front of a witness.


Dave Holloway
On the Record w/ Greta
April 11, 2006

HOLLOWAY: Oh, the media was our best friend. If it hadn't been for the media this thing would have been swept under the table the very first day and we'd have been calling back to Aruba "Have you heard anything? Have you heard anything?" I truly believe that.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,191377,00.html

[Destiny]

Patrick ... if you are reading ... try to comprehend the implication of the words spoken by Natalee's parents and ...  feel their frustration.  Beth, Dave and Jug sincerely believe that there was a coverup in the investigation of their beloved Natalee.

Janet

++++++++++++


Jug Twitty
NANCY GRACE
October 4, 2005

JUG TWITTY: Nancy, what happened -- well, I think it was probably about 30 days after, or so, maybe the 1st of July or something. I had a meeting with Van Der Straaten, who was the police chief in charge at that time. And I went in and sat down with him and told him and Officer Sanboe (ph), who was going to take over for Van Der Straaten. He was there, too.

You know, I asked a question about, I understand that there was a statement made by Joran, where he talks about what he had done to Natalee and he described in very graphic detail, like, the stitching and embroidery and everything on Natalee`s underwear. And he goes, Oh, no, no, no. Absolutely not. Absolutely not. Well, little did he know I had just read the statements where Joran describes that to the "T," you know, two days before. But of course, I didn`t tell him that. But that`s just when I started to think something`s wrong here.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0510/04/ng.01.html


Beth Twitty
'Scarborough Country'
October 21, 2005

HOLLOWAY TWITTY: They never—they never wanted to implicate these three young men.  They never wanted to implicate them from the beginning. And there is a list of reasons, you know, why we know that is true.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9796403/from/RL.2/


Beth Twitty
The Sun
January 29, 2007

Twitty recalled the first days after her daughter's disappearance and the actions of the Aruban government.

"We did everything we could in looking for her.  There was a government coverup, and it has been documented," Twitty contended. "Yet we have remained respectful and have done the right thing."

http://www.jonesborosun.com/story.php?ID=25809


Jug Twitty
'Scarborough Country'
August 11, 2005

TWITTY: ... but when they take my statement 33 days later, and they take the other guys‘ statements that were with me and ladies that were with me, you know, like 19 days later, it‘s like they didn‘t want to find the truth.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8925176/


Beth Twitty
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
December 5, 2005

TWITTY: ... Remember, within the first 24 hours, we knew who the suspects were. We knew the persons that Natalee were taken from Carlos and Charlie‘s. We knew the license plate of the gray Honda they placed her in. We knew the condition that Natalee was in. We knew the behavior or the conduct in which they engaged in with Natalee.

And then not only that, Jane, within 72 hours, we knew that their first story was totally fabricated, that within the first 72 hours, I faced a room of 12 -- at least 12 detectives, Aruban and Dutch detectives, and a lead detective, Dennis Jacobs (ph), and they knew after we reviewed video footage from the Holiday Inn casino lobby that my daughter had never been brought back to the Holiday Inn. They knew that those suspects were fabricating a story from day one.

<snipped>

TWITTY: Well, Jane, something that the family knew—and we have to keep reminding everyone—after 72 hours -- 72 hours—we knew definitively that these suspects were not telling the truth. We knew that my daughter had never been brought back to the Holiday Inn. Of course we were becoming frustrated. Who wouldn‘t, at this point? You know, we—and what was so unbelievable about this, is they knew this information and still chose to pursue the two security guards on June the 5th.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10348437/


Beth Twitty
DR. PHIL SHOW
January 29, 2006

BETH: There are times when we're thinking that we need to continue, and of course we're still searching for answers, but it's this rollercoaster ride. And it makes me so angry, Dr. Phil, when I let myself fall for information coming out of an official who represents the island of Aruba. If somebody presents you with false hope and false information, it's devastating.

http://www.drphil.com/slideshows/slideshow/3041/?id=1&slide=3&null=null


Dave Holloway
Corruption in Paradise
Page 183

I commented to Jacobs about how short my statement was. He said that I could add anything I wanted to it. Also, I noticed that Eric Soemers's name was on it, but that detective was not even present during the interview. Now I wondered if Jacobs was making up everyone's statement and getting Eric to sign on to them. If that were the case, he could state anything he wanted, and it would look like an official statement made in front of a witness.


Dave Holloway
On the Record w/ Greta
April 11, 2006

HOLLOWAY: Oh, the media was our best friend. If it hadn't been for the media this thing would have been swept under the table the very first day and we'd have been calling back to Aruba "Have you heard anything? Have you heard anything?" I truly believe that.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,191377,00.html

Janet...I think you should take this whole post over to Patricks' site...and post it there....maybe he'll get it then...

Great work as always Janet....Thanks!

[Tamikosmom]

I'm wondering now if Patrick even wrote/posted that.  His website is down right now.  Could be someone hacked into it.

http://patrickvandereem.nl/

Klaas ... I am on the Travel Show protesters email list and ... so was Patrick.  I received that open letter from Patrick and ... I believe that everybody on that list must have received it.

Janet

[klaasend]

I'm wondering now if Patrick even wrote/posted that.  His website is down right now.  Could be someone hacked into it.

http://patrickvandereem.nl/

His site is down last I checked.

Need to run an errand, will be back in a bit. 

[Tamikosmom]

I'm wondering now if Patrick even wrote/posted that.  His website is down right now.  Could be someone hacked into it.

http://patrickvandereem.nl/

Klaas

I tend to believe it.  I once contacted Peter Devries assistant (another Peter) with some info regarding my perception of the corrupt investigation and ... this guy emailed me back a response that was very similar to Patrick's open letter.

Janet

[sandy leiva]

Looks like someone killed/mutilated a sea turtle in Aruba.   

Tortuga a wordo mata intencionalmente        
Sunday, 13 April 2008 - 00:00 
Den oranan di mainta a drenta un informe na haltura di Palm Beach lo mester a haja un tortuga morto. Na yegada nos  a topa cu e hendenan di Aruba Foundation For Sea Turtles cu a splica nos, cu durante nan patruya ariba beach, nan a haja restonan di un tortuga canto di laman. Immediante nan a yama polis pa presenta na e sitio pa asina averigua ken por a comete un acto asina. Click read more pa mas detaye  y imagen.

Aruba Foundation for sea turtles a sigi splica nos cu esaki ta un acto cu a wordo hasi intencionalmente y cu esaki ta algo castigabel pa ley. Polis a presenta na e sitio pa asina haja tur informacion pa nan por cuminsa cu nan investigacion.



One of the comments:

Manuel said:

Joran a hasi e cos ki 

 

that comment saiys that Joran does things like this per manuel