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« Reply #1060 on: April 26, 2008, 03:08:54 PM »

Another long shot...

Luis Vingal - Central Bank of Aruba - member of the board of directors.
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« Reply #1061 on: April 26, 2008, 03:09:38 PM »

Hmmmmmm!  Did someone say customs?  Airport?


AUA...
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« Reply #1062 on: April 26, 2008, 03:16:06 PM »

Another long shot...

Luis Vingal - Central Bank of Aruba - member of the board of directors.



There is R.R.Luis Vingal here...Savaneta...

http://www.arubachamber.com/DISKKLEINBEDRIJF31JULI2004.htm
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« Reply #1063 on: April 26, 2008, 03:41:42 PM »

Nope!  Laughing

I see Mr. Swaen though.

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« Reply #1064 on: April 26, 2008, 04:06:58 PM »

Nope!  Laughing

I see Mr. Swaen though.

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Last Night I research more on the YellowHammer, I think it got to do with Central Bank Notes. or Someone in a Bank,

Nel tried to get rid of the Director, but it could not so must be someone else.

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« Reply #1065 on: April 26, 2008, 04:23:37 PM »

Nope!  Laughing

I see Mr. Swaen though.

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Last Night I research more on the YellowHammer, I think it got to do with Central Bank Notes. or Someone in a Bank,

Nel tried to get rid of the Director, but it could not so must be someone else.



Hey Caps,

When I was on that wild goose chase I read that Swaen is the Chairman of the board for the Central Bank. Then I read that David Kock considers Swaen as a father figure. We know Paulus hired Kock for Deepak and Satish, right? Was Swaen also a mentor for Anthony Carlo? Are there any dots to connect there?

Rob says Armin's best friend in involved in Government finances in some capacity. If we could find out who Luis is, maybe that would help?

Just thinking out loud...
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« Reply #1066 on: April 26, 2008, 05:55:28 PM »

SS...Luis at HI?

After this I told the girl that it was OK and that I would do my best to go to "Carlos & Charlies". After that the group of girls walked to the Sportsbar. In the Sportsbar I also saw to two acquaintances who were watching baseball. I greeted my two acquaintances, and told them that I was doing fine too, and that I would be going to "Carlos & Charlies" that night. My two acquaintances are named "Luis" and "Joshua". I regularly meet them at Carlos & Charlies. The last name of Luis is "BETANCOURT". I do not know the last name of Joshua. Luis BETANCOURT is a Venezuelan, and according to me Joshua is Colombian but I don't know that for sure.

http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/police_documents/joran69.htm
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« Reply #1067 on: April 26, 2008, 06:33:17 PM »

Nope!  Laughing

I see Mr. Swaen though.

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I once read one of those rumor stories about Natalee and her uncle.  I think it was Jug's brother.  Supposedly he's an official with a bank - maybe it was called AmSouth.  This bank has holdings in Aruba and South America.  There was a rumor that Natalee was kidnapped because of this uncle and supposedly she is still alive, but they don't know what to do with her.  They have her in South America somewhere.
Last Night I research more on the YellowHammer, I think it got to do with Central Bank Notes. or Someone in a Bank,

Nel tried to get rid of the Director, but it could not so must be someone else.


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« Reply #1068 on: April 26, 2008, 06:37:55 PM »

VMS - I'm sorry, I jumped in the middle of your post.


Does anyone have any information on Giovanni Solognier?  I have found nothing.  How old is he and is he connected to Joran or to the older men?
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« Reply #1069 on: April 26, 2008, 06:50:35 PM »

Scratch my post on the attorney

David Kock represented Alex Mathew. I did not know that.
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« Reply #1070 on: April 26, 2008, 06:52:19 PM »

VMS - I'm sorry, I jumped in the middle of your post.


Does anyone have any information on Giovanni Solognier?  I have found nothing.  How old is he and is he connected to Joran or to the older men?

Don't you just wish we had an edit button? I needed it in my last post!  Laughing
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« Reply #1071 on: April 26, 2008, 07:00:30 PM »

This is from Alana Jordan

http://scrux.com/natalee/alanapostings.htm

Jun 26, 2005 4:37 pm:  (Responding, to someone stating the Twitty involvement theory, "$120 million is a lot of dough ....that the "businessmen" in Panama and Nicarauga would want to recoup...  Natalee's Uncle Tom is head of ALL investment services for AmSouth Bank in Birmingham, but yet he filed a new corporation just for himself in Rhode Island in late 2004 and named it Amsouth Investment Corp... not accusing...just found it as part of new corporate filings...  The scheme at AmSouth for which the bank ended up in court involved Panamanian and Nicaraugan banks...one of the indicted was a Robert Picou, a Panamanian who is said to be in hiding in Nicarauga or Panama   The scheme further involved a Jackson, Mississippi securities trader and a Memphis lawyer...and Clinton, Mississippi is a suburb of Jackson...it is where Dave Holloway lives and from which Beth and Jug Twitty (Tom's twin brother) moved to Birmingham:...just too many coincidences for me....  If Tom hid money for himself and the Panama and Nicarauga "businessmen" wanted their money back, maybe they needed a way to "force" the issue?? makes ya go hmmm.... maybe the guy on the plane with Natalee that is missing??? They've never given his name? cause it might come up in connection with the SEC cases??  Or the Twitty brothers could have been innocently involved and testified about the scheme and this could be revenge against them... ")
I know these people... this isn't true. This is just another conspiracy theory used to detract attention away from the truth. 
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« Reply #1072 on: April 26, 2008, 07:15:55 PM »

Chata...I see you! Don't you think that Guido's hand may be too frumpy?

Sorry...Good Morning!

Hi Mum,
It's not morning any more ... my grandchildren came over and I had to leave the computer.  But yes, Guido probably does have a frumpy hand, but smallish.  A lot of those guys have smallish hands ... at least they appear to be in the photos I have seen.

There are a couple of pics of Max (the photo taker) that show his hands ... very delicate looking. That hand in the famous pic is like that.  Find a hand that matches and there is the 4th guy.  I did look at some of the pics I have cached away, but the only one that is close is Max.  Does not mean it is him, just that he has that type hand.  All IMO.

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« Reply #1073 on: April 26, 2008, 07:25:29 PM »

Jar is/was a VP in an investment part of AMSouth.

There were two rumors started about a month ago. Both I think first appeared on Scared Monkeys. It claimed a link between Twitty and laundering money in South America, a "Nicaragua investment scam". It had links to two LONG U.S. legal documents that covered the case and AMSouth was fined. However, reading the documents did not show a connection. The rumor also suggested that is why Natalee was kidnapped and removed to S.A.

http://biz.yahoo.com/law/050602/4f0ab45b588c6018ac45a3f627fb6ac5.html?.v=1
"Two men had been running a Ponzi scheme and funneling money through AmSouth. Both men were caught and sentenced to long prison terms. The victims lost about $10 million, virtually all of which was recovered through civil litigation. AmSouth was culpable because it should have caught the scheme and reported it to banking regulators, but never did."

Jar is/was a VP in an investment part of AMSouth.

There were two rumors started about a month ago. Both I think first appeared on Scared Monkeys. It claimed a link between Twitty and laundering money in South America, a "Nicaragua investment scam". It had links to two LONG U.S. legal documents that covered the case and AMSouth was fined. However, reading the documents did not show a connection. The rumor also suggested that is why Natalee was kidnapped and removed to S.A.

http://biz.yahoo.com/law/050602/4f0ab45b588c6018ac45a3f627fb6ac5.html?.v=1
"Two men had been running a Ponzi scheme and funneling money through AmSouth. Both men were caught and sentenced to long prison terms. The victims lost about $10 million, virtually all of which was recovered through civil litigation. AmSouth was culpable because it should have caught the scheme and reported it to banking regulators, but never did."
http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2005/10/harrytho_1014_n.php
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« Reply #1074 on: April 26, 2008, 08:09:09 PM »

VMS - I'm sorry, I jumped in the middle of your post.


Does anyone have any information on Giovanni Solognier?  I have found nothing.  How old is he and is he connected to Joran or to the older men?

Don't you just wish we had an edit button? I needed it in my last post!  Laughing

Don't you just wish we had an edit button


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« Reply #1075 on: April 26, 2008, 08:23:55 PM »

Steve Ceos has a new MySpace site.  He goes by Steve Gregg.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=20567795

Steve Croes claimed not to know Joran and the pimps, but there are some common people on Steve's site and the site of Max Arends.  The girl is GW and the boy is Ian Molina.  They communicate with Steve and Max regularly.

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« Reply #1076 on: April 26, 2008, 08:37:04 PM »

So are we now going to say that Natalee was kidnapped and carried off to South America because of her uncle's dealings with a bank?  Hmmmmm.  That would also make it anyone but Joran....again. 

Even Simian and Shango worked from the Occam's theory of keep it simple.  The corruption is complicated but Natalee's disappearance is not.  I want to know why Joran and the Kalpoes are never implicated in any of these theories?  Why are they so nicely insulated by both Shango and Simian? Protecting those 3 has cost that island so much misery it is ridiculous...and yet...they still let it happen. 
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« Reply #1077 on: April 26, 2008, 08:49:29 PM »

Magnolia...Thanks again!

Chapter 3 of Joran's book: Going at out Carlos & Charlies

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- David Fisiitalia also became a friend of Joran's, he met him at ISA. He came from Seattle in 2003 and moved to Aruba because his mom started working with the US customs office on the island. They hung around a lot in each other's houses and played soccer with friends at a field near Joran's house.


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1117.0


Ok I am no longer up to par on Shango but I do remember a post that only David left the den alive.

Does this lead us back to the Lions Den or could there be other dens as well?


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« Reply #1078 on: April 26, 2008, 08:52:26 PM »

Magnolia...Thanks again!

Chapter 3 of Joran's book: Going at out Carlos & Charlies

page 4:
- David Fisiitalia also became a friend of Joran's, he met him at ISA. He came from Seattle in 2003 and moved to Aruba because his mom started working with the US customs office on the island. They hung around a lot in each other's houses and played soccer with friends at a field near Joran's house.


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1117.0


Messed up Magnolias post. Sorry.

Ok I am no longer up to par on Shango but I do remember a post that only David left the den alive.

Does this lead us back to the Lions Den or could there be other dens as well?
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« Reply #1079 on: April 26, 2008, 08:56:25 PM »

I also no longer have any of my links because of a computer crash and a new computer.

Does anyone remember the supposed runaway letter that was sent to PVDS. ?
Who was the supposed authors first name?
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