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« Reply #1180 on: April 29, 2008, 03:52:56 PM »

Lala's...maybe was this what you were talking about the 'orange regal visage'...found it buried in all the stuff I've saved...

From the Governor's site...

ORANJESTAD - Young people constitute the basis of our future community. Therefore, it is very good if you work unselfishly on their welfare, and you see the positive result. These were the words of the Governor, His Excellency Mr. Fredis Refunjol, during the so-called “rain of titles” on the occasion of Queen’s Day 2007. This year, four gentlemen and for ladies could consider themselves fortunate with a Royal Decoration. Relatives and friends accompanied the decorated persons during the solemn ceremony, which, as usual, took place in the town hall. Three persons were appointed “Companian” in the Order of Orange Nassau and five “Member” in the Order of Orange Nassau. Mostly, the decorated persons were decorated because of their social or charitable merits in the fields of sports, culture, religion, welfare and education.

http://www.kabga.aw/en/index.php?page=nieuws
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« Reply #1181 on: April 29, 2008, 05:23:35 PM »

Lets see we can make our own timeline
Joran leaves his shoes behind because he does not want to deal with Natalee any more (OTR)

Joran tells Satish what happened on the beach and Satish repeats "f*** that bitch". Joran tells Satish that he will go to school in the morning and then look for his shoes after he goes to the Raquet Club. When they arrive at Joran's home Satish says not to worry, he will go and pick up Joran's shoes. Joran tells Satish where he left them, and Satish drives off (DZNH).

3:00-4:00 am: Lee goes to sleep (Broughton 302)

3:07 am: Joran's younger brother Valentijn on Van der Sloot computer (CRD)

3:10 am: Same young woman resembling Natalee seen on tape at 2:38, is seen at HI front desk with girl resembling Natalee's classmate Frances Ellen Byrd (Renfro e-mail).

3:11 am: Joran text messages something sweet to Florencia (DZNH)

3:13 am: Joran sends Deepak a text message saying: "Hey Swa, thanks, I am home now, I will see you tomorrow" (J 6/14, DZNH)

Joran goes into his kitchen to get something to eat and to drink (OTR)

When Deepak returns from bathroom he sees that Joran had messaged him that he was home and would see him tomorrow. Deepak replies "OK" (D 6/11, J 6/14)

3:22 am: Keycard for Natalee's room used (OTR 4/4/06)

3:25 am: Deepak sends message to Joran.Valentijn Message says: Are you there? (CRD)

3:25 am: Deepak sends message to JoranValentijn. Message says: Anyways nice to hear you are home I will talk to you tomorrow I am going to bed (CRD)

3:25 am: Deepak sends message to JoranValentijn. Message says: Take care (CRD)

3:33 am: Joran sends IM to Deepak. Valentijn on Van der Sloot computer Message says: Hey swa (CRD)
3:35 am: Joran Valentijn sends IM to Deepak. Message says: Topa pimp heehehe (CRD)

3:35 am: Joran Valentijn visits hotmail (CRD)

3:36 am: Keycard for Natalee's room used (OTR 4/4/06)

3:40-3:45 am: Joran Valentijn visits four soccer-related sites (CRD)

3:46 am: Joran Valentijn visits porn site (CRD)

3:56 pm: Joran Valentijn visits porn site (CRD)

Then we have the one thing that cements a timeline in place and that being Paulus' denial for compensation based on his being seen at 4 AM in the morning near the McDonalds. In actuality we only have a window of around 3 to 4 hours to work with before Paulus is seen picking up Joran.

4:30 am: Joran visits hotmail (CRD)

5:45 am: Paul van der Sloot awakens, when his alarm goes off at the usual time (P 6/23)
 This would work if Valentijn was on  covering Joran ass. this is the most simple way IMO

Remember  Joran said Valentijn was the one he trusted the most,
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« Reply #1182 on: April 29, 2008, 05:33:30 PM »

CAPS said that the initials SGCJ with the arrest are not for Steve Gregory Croes.  He said the initials are written last name first so it would be S,GCJ.  He said the name is Giovanni Solognier and I have been searching everywhere for a Giovanni Solognier.

say what?

since when?

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Authorities probing the disappearance of missing Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway arrested the DJ of a popular party boat Friday morning and searched his home.

A prosecutor's spokeswoman, Mariaine Croes, in keeping with Aruban law, identified him only by his initials, S.G.C. She said he was born July 21, 1978.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/17/missing.teen/index.html

note: SGC not CSG or C,SG
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Mariaine Croes, a spokeswoman for the public prosecutor’s office, said Aruban authorities were not prepared to disclose why the person was arrested or how they are allegedly connected to the disappearance of the American teenager on the Dutch Caribbean island nearly a year ago.

Croes would only say that the person who was arrested is 19 and has the initials “G.V.C.” Authorities in Aruba typically only release a suspect’s initials upon their arrest.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,191903,00.html

note: GVC not VCG or VC,G
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ORANJESTAD, Aruba -- Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, the two Surinamese brothers previously detained in the Natalee Holloway case, have been re-arrested on suspicion of premeditated rape and murder, Aruban government officials said Friday. A third person was also detained.

Prosecutor's office spokeswoman Mariaine Croes told FOX News that the third person was a man known as "Freddy" or "F.A.", said to be a friend of Joran van der Sloot, who has been held in the case since June 9.
(no link/sorry)

note: FA not AF or A,F
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    Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3 « Reply #705 on: April 23, 2008, 10:59:29 AM »    Quote
 Quote from: texasmom on April 23, 2008, 01:24:42 AMCorrection, that should have been S. G. C. J.; that's how I believe it was.  Now if those are the correct Initialsthen this must be the correct name to go with themSolognier   Giovanni CJ   7/13/1967   Aruba   De Vuyst 63A


    Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3 « Reply #724 on: April 23, 2008, 03:29:20 PM »    Quote
 
I think he played both sides, But the primate is not him. The killer is one in the the telephone List.
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« Reply #1183 on: April 29, 2008, 06:17:49 PM »

Hi Everyone,

Deepak is scared 

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=131637359

his sister is disappointed

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=279423184

Doesn't look like dim Kalpoes are too happy right now...hummmmmmmmmm....

MOO

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« Reply #1184 on: April 29, 2008, 06:22:53 PM »

Hi Everyone,

Deepak is scared 

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=131637359

his sister is disappointed

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=279423184

Doesn't look like dim Kalpoes are too happy right now...hummmmmmmmmm....

MOO

OS

Hi OS. Great to see you posting.
Wonder what's up with the Kalpoes?



SS,
Remember when Jossy's brother was arrested?
The initials were not in reverse order. He was listed as L.E.M.
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« Reply #1185 on: April 29, 2008, 06:38:10 PM »

Hi Everyone,

Deepak is scared 

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=131637359

his sister is disappointed

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=279423184

Doesn't look like dim Kalpoes are too happy right now...hummmmmmmmmm....

MOO

OS

Hi OS. Great to see you posting.
Wonder what's up with the Kalpoes?



SS,
Remember when Jossy's brother was arrested?
The initials were not in reverse order. He was listed as L.E.M.


What is the date of birth for Jossy's brother?
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« Reply #1186 on: April 29, 2008, 06:54:15 PM »

Hi Everyone,

Deepak is scared 

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=131637359

his sister is disappointed

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=279423184

Doesn't look like dim Kalpoes are too happy right now...hummmmmmmmmm....

MOO

OS

Hi OS. Great to see you posting.
Wonder what's up with the Kalpoes?



SS,
Remember when Jossy's brother was arrested?
The initials were not in reverse order. He was listed as L.E.M.


Hey VMS,

Nice to see ya.

Dunno what's up, but macho,  gonna get all that money from the law suit Deepak...is Scared...things that make ya go hummmmmm.

MOO

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« Reply #1187 on: April 29, 2008, 06:58:52 PM »

Hi Everyone,

Deepak is scared 

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=131637359

his sister is disappointed

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=279423184

Doesn't look like dim Kalpoes are too happy right now...hummmmmmmmmm....

MOO

OS

Hi OS. Great to see you posting.
Wonder what's up with the Kalpoes?



SS,
Remember when Jossy's brother was arrested?
The initials were not in reverse order. He was listed as L.E.M.




I agree, and I don't know why CAPS was insisting that the initials had to be reversed.  It seems to me that all of the arrests had the regular sequence with first name, midlle, and last.  I have no idea where or why he came up with these reversed initials for Giovanni Solognier.   

CAPS WHERE ARE YOU????  We need an explanation.   
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« Reply #1188 on: April 29, 2008, 07:16:39 PM »

Did find a comment posted in 2006 in Solo di Pueblo , something about a couple and a baby, the excerpt does seem to mention the names by initials, and they do appear in reverse.

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06/??/2006 - Couple detained for something about a baby. What does “doodslag” mean? Couple’s initials: FCEF and FAPD. “Circumstancio poco strano.” Could this be the “Baby D” case? Ferdinand Alexander Dijkhoff? (See 12/16/2006)
From Solo di Pueblo 2006 “Year in Review” issue, A section, Starting on Page 16:
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http://tinyurl.com/4ld54y
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« Reply #1189 on: April 29, 2008, 07:19:11 PM »

I just checked Deepak's and now it says "relieved" and has a smiley face.  hmmmm
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« Reply #1190 on: April 29, 2008, 07:27:09 PM »

I just checked Deepak's and now it says "relieved" and has a smiley face.  hmmmm

Wow, that was quick, must have gone to the potty..LOL..

I always did think he was a turd caught cross wise.

Ok, Ok, I am being mean..

Maybe he was scared he was going to have to give a depo in the Dr. Phil case...

hummmm, must be reading here to change the mood so quick...

MOO

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« Reply #1191 on: April 29, 2008, 07:29:13 PM »


And he wrote this:

D€€P@K says that was a close call.....


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« Reply #1192 on: April 29, 2008, 07:32:09 PM »

I just checked Deepak's and now it says "relieved" and has a smiley face.  hmmmm

Wow, that was quick, must have gone to the potty..LOL..

I always did think he was a turd caught cross wise.

Ok, Ok, I am being mean..

Maybe he was scared he was going to have to give a depo in the Dr. Phil case...

hummmm, must be reading here to change the mood so quick...

MOO

OS

   I thought the same thing, except I thought "urinated" you know he had that tiny bladder problem at one time, figured he was having trouble holding it in court   I also thought he is probably lurking here 
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #1193 on: April 29, 2008, 07:41:49 PM »

I just checked Deepak's and now it says "relieved" and has a smiley face.  hmmmm

Wow, that was quick, must have gone to the potty..LOL..

I always did think he was a turd caught cross wise.

Ok, Ok, I am being mean..

Maybe he was scared he was going to have to give a depo in the Dr. Phil case...

hummmm, must be reading here to change the mood so quick...

MOO

OS

   I thought the same thing, except I thought "urinated" you know he had that tiny bladder problem at one time, figured he was having trouble holding it in court   I also thought he is probably lurking here 

LOL, could be bladder..

I wish he was in court..would love for him to answer some tough questions..

OS
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« Reply #1194 on: April 29, 2008, 07:51:02 PM »

I just checked Deepak's and now it says "relieved" and has a smiley face.  hmmmm

Wow, that was quick, must have gone to the potty..LOL..

I always did think he was a turd caught cross wise.

Ok, Ok, I am being mean..

Maybe he was scared he was going to have to give a depo in the Dr. Phil case...

hummmm, must be reading here to change the mood so quick...

MOO

OS

   I thought the same thing, except I thought "urinated" you know he had that tiny bladder problem at one time, figured he was having trouble holding it in court   I also thought he is probably lurking here 

LOL, could be bladder..

I wish he was in court..would love for him to answer some tough questions..

OS

I agree!  Enough of the BS already
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #1195 on: April 29, 2008, 08:08:05 PM »

Hi Everyone,

Deepak is scared 

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=131637359

his sister is disappointed

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=279423184

Doesn't look like dim Kalpoes are too happy right now...hummmmmmmmmm....

MOO

OS

Hi OS. Great to see you posting.
Wonder what's up with the Kalpoes?



SS,
Remember when Jossy's brother was arrested?
The initials were not in reverse order. He was listed as L.E.M.


What is the date of birth for Jossy's brother?

COLOMBO,
Sorry, I don't have it and can't get to the chamber to try and look it up. He was 63 when arrested, IIRC.


OS and tx,   
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« Reply #1196 on: April 29, 2008, 08:08:42 PM »

Mart Bakz

http://cid-421a34919e5196d0.spaces.live.com/?mkt=en-US&partner=Live.Spaces


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« Reply #1197 on: April 29, 2008, 08:23:08 PM »

Not sure if this is where the initials came from or not, maybe Texasmom can help…

If it is, the PVs were never intended to see the light of day…

« Reply #674 on: April 23, 2008, 03:29:58 AM »

PROCES - VERBAAL


We, Johny Melvis ERASMUS and Shaniro Baldrik KELLY, respectively agent first class and sergeant at the Korps police force Aruba and at the section district II, explains the following:

On 18 June 2005, the S.G.C.J Croes faced suspect around 17:35, a closed meeting with the suspect Joran was faced.

The suspected S.G.C.J Croes explained:
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http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.640

Start here in context…LOL
« Reply #658 on: April 23, 2008, 12:50:27 AM »Caps   
 
Quote from: jackb on April 23, 2008, 12:01:45 AM
Quote from: ******* on April 22, 2008, 11:55:50 PM
One thing for sure when SGC was arrested they said he was the son of a prominent Aruban businessman..Where they talking about LVR or him? I am still confused if his father was a musician or if that was all false?

From what I understand his father and Palus are both musicians.  They have played together in some home grown band.  This has been out for well over two years.  Jackb


Anyone has the real Initials that Merian the spoke person for the OM when she said that SCGJ was arrested. I tought I saw a "J" in the name.


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« Reply #1198 on: April 29, 2008, 08:29:57 PM »

Hi Everyone,

Deepak is scared 

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=131637359

his sister is disappointed

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=279423184

Doesn't look like dim Kalpoes are too happy right now...hummmmmmmmmm....

MOO

OS

Hi OS. Great to see you posting.
Wonder what's up with the Kalpoes?



SS,
Remember when Jossy's brother was arrested?
The initials were not in reverse order. He was listed as L.E.M.


What is the date of birth for Jossy's brother?

COLOMBO,
Sorry, I don't have it and can't get to the chamber to try and look it up. He was 63 when arrested, IIRC.


OS and tx,   


that might do......what was the year of the arrest?
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« Reply #1199 on: April 29, 2008, 08:32:39 PM »

Hi Everyone,

Deepak is scared 

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=131637359

his sister is disappointed

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=279423184

Doesn't look like dim Kalpoes are too happy right now...hummmmmmmmmm....

MOO

OS

Hi OS. Great to see you posting.
Wonder what's up with the Kalpoes?



SS,
Remember when Jossy's brother was arrested?
The initials were not in reverse order. He was listed as L.E.M.


What is the date of birth for Jossy's brother?

COLOMBO,
Sorry, I don't have it and can't get to the chamber to try and look it up. He was 63 when arrested, IIRC.


OS and tx,   


that might do......what was the year of the arrest?

September, 2007
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