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« Reply #140 on: April 16, 2008, 04:38:17 AM »

The Night in question, Natalee was brought here.

The pace is called Matty Appartments. There are 6 Apratment in a long row

The Aprtments do not have a number since noboy lives there permanent. The Address is Noort 15-A

It is behind a house and accesavle form the main road, almost 150 meters The Lekker Restaurant.

The night in question, They would not have gone to the WhiteHouse Apartment since it only accept couples and notting else. no group parties. For Paprty one need to use the WhiteHouse Cocktail Lounge.


Now manage the Matty Apartments.

Heidweiller   Carlos R   4/15/1955   Paramaribo   Noord 15A
Heidweiller   Lilian   12/16/1960   Paramaribo   Noord 15A
Heidweiller   Lyndon D   11/12/1964   Paramaribo   Noord 15A

All these people are from Surinam. The guy at the door / office looks like a Hindu


This is a location of where they have gone. That nght. Movie was made in this appartment. Now which Apartment did they use. I do not know. but my guess would be the last one all the way in the back.

Now if you have to make 2 hr movie and she died after that, it would be easy to get rid of the body right there in the murky pool of Monserat. It is just across the street.

and the cleaning of the appartment would have been easy since it is not in view of the street. The house was dusted.

the XTC and the DNA is just accoss from each other.

I still need a name for the escort that provided the service for the deflowering of forbidden fruits that Quido Wever  is part off and the so is Julia Renfro.

See map of the Location.




The Indo Restaurant and V.I.P. Club are next door?  Shocked

Afirmative (YES)



But totally unrelated to this case, right Caps?
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« Reply #141 on: April 16, 2008, 05:02:42 AM »

Meant to ask "Does the ATM/Bank have cameras at night that would also who the traffic in the backgrounds on the road?'
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« Reply #142 on: April 16, 2008, 05:03:05 AM »

This is the latest from Caps on the Croes’ genealogy posted yesterday, and my responses, which Caps must have missed as I did not see a reply from him!

« Reply #33 on: April 15, 2008, 02:02:20 PM »    Quote
 
Quote from: MumInOhio on April 15, 2008, 01:29:47 PM
Caps...Who are Evelyn's sons? She is Croes-Wever and listed at that same law firm.

Is Rudy sometimes called Edward/ Eduardo?

And who is Mito Croes? Is he related to Rudy, Hendrick and Evelyn?...TIA


Caps reply...

Hendrick Croes is married to Mitch Garido

From this marrage came: Edwardo - Evelyn - and another son

My 70 year old friend is telling me that Mitch Garido had another son before. he could not remember this son name.

Now Evelyn married to Wever.


Betico Croes is the father of Rudy Croes, Glambert Croes,

Betico Croes is the one that give Aruba his Status aparte and The Croes's are proud of it. 

Now Hendrick Croes and Betico Croes are Brothers

I will check the whole famaly tree to be exact.

If uncle Hendrick need to protect the Lineage of the The Croes... Imaging a Croes killer or a Croes Economy Destroyer or a Croes Beast. This can not happend.

So Unlce Hendrick Croes need to protect this Kid and so the plan was put in motion.

If it was not related to them, they would be already sitting in prison for 2.5 year allready serving a 20 year sentance.

CAPS

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My response…« Reply #35 on: April 15, 2008, 02:22:41 PM »


Caps... I have been round and round and up the path many times on this. I believe SS confirmed what I thought I finally had straight!

Betico, Hendrick and Rudy all brothers! I thought I rechecked after the discussions a few weeks back as I kept seeing posts that said Rudy was the nephew and others that he was the brother. I believe I even checked the birth years and was sure that Rudy and Hendrick were brothers!

This needs to be documented to avoid any more confusion! Can't keep going around in circles...LOL

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« Reply #41 on: April 15, 2008, 02:41:09 PM »

From Arubagirl...though this not where I checked from before...I really searched then! I am led to belive she knows her stuff!


http://arubagirl.typepad.com/lost_in_smallness/2005/10/index.html


There was an election. Mep won the absolute majority (11 seats in parliament).

So, forming a cabinet would be a piece of cake, right?

Wrong.

More than a month has passed and we still haven't gotten any firm decision on who is getting what ministry. I suppose that splitting the loot is a complicated process.

First of all, the big problem is Rudy Croes, since apparently the Netherlands has been making noises that they do not approve of him as Minister of Justice. Big drama among Rudy's supporters, with the words "meddling in autonomous affairs" being heard the most often. See, the problem with that sentiment is that the Netherlands does still give us money. So they do appropriate a right to have some say in who is going to actually spend the money. Unless we manage to be completely on our own (yeah, right), we're just going to have to grin down and bear it.

Rudy, magnanimous guy that he is, has let it be known that he is willing to settle for the Ministry of Tourism, on the condition that his brother, Hendrik Croes, becomes Minister of Justice.
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« Reply #98 on: April 15, 2008, 09:52:26 PM »    Quote
 
 Betico, Hendrick and Rudy Croes…Brothers!!!!
Will not waste time looking anymore, as far as I am concerned the 3 are brothers! Took me forever last time to find a DOB for Rudy and not going there again…I am convinced!…LOL…also see SS’s posts and my earlier post today, from arubagirl, on this.

Hendrick - January 8th.1942
http://www.lawyersaruba.com/modules/sections/index.php?op=viewarticle&artid=10http://www.drphil.com/messageboard/topic/473(70)
 Hendrik Croes – a brother of the island's legendary leader, the late Betico Croes who guided Aruba to its semi-independent status in the Dutch realm – is one of the leading political figures on the island. He led several election campaigns for the MEP, now in the opposition. The Croes Family has been accused of ties with Cuntrera-Caruana. The Sicilian mafiosi payed for a trip of another brother, Rudy Croes (who succeeded Hendrik as Minister of Justice in a previous MEP government) as party secretary to a meeting of the Socialist International in Turkey. This has not been denied.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betico_Croes

Gilberto François "Betico" Croes (b. 1938 d. 1986) was an Aruban political activist who was a proponent of Aruba's separation from the rest of the Netherlands Antilles. This eventually occurred, but Croes lapsed into a coma after an accident on 31 December 1985 (the night of status aparte) and was never conscious to see his accomplishment. He's called the father of the Aruban nation.

He also was responsible for major projects for the people of Aruba like F.C.C.A., Arubus, Sasaki Plan (he envisioned the area destined for hotels) and many many more.

Aruba's official Holiday to remember him has been marked on January 25, his birth date.

Caya G. F. Betico Croes is named for him and is the main shopping street in Oranjestad, Aruba.

Has 2 sons, Glenbert & Junior Croes.


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« Reply #143 on: April 16, 2008, 05:42:39 AM »

Caps…Your theory always leads back to ‘Croes’…Marianne, Teresa, Rudy, Hendrik, Steve and his doppleganger. Where is your proof?

Posters here refuted Marianne as the Prosecution spokesperson, backed it up with research, but you went with it anyways. (For those that missed it van der Straten and KJ were the ones talking to the press in the first few days).

What about Rudy? I’ll be the first to say he is dirty, but you can’t even prove he was in Aruba May 29th. Go back to the FP and find Gabe Leo’s post…Gabe posted he was in Columbia!

In your theory Lorenzo merited one line and 2 posts IIRC, Freddy – he doesn’t exist, and our Max Arends and Max Arendz just don’t even deserve a mention.

Guido Wever seems to fit your story, but do you have the right Guido Wever? Sorry, I realize this has been asked before!

The Kalpoes, not sure, but I think you have them as 2 hitmen flying out on the Wane jet, so I guess they are exonerated! Patrick van Eem apparently lived somewhere near them, but from what I could tell the addresses were in Surinam and Curacao and did not receive a response for clarification! What happened to the MIU or whatever it was called?

Anita or Rudy carried ‘something’ to the Hague! Heck I don’t even know if either of them were there for sure! Show me the proof that Anita was in the Netherlands…prove to me that Rudy was in Aruba!

In January the Lion’s Den had nothing to do with XTC DNA and last night it’s right next door and across the street! (Please refer to your response to me, way back in the first thread regarding the Lion’s Den)

Sorry Caps…Unless you can show a whole lot of proof to back up your theory, this train just left the station….and it’s headed back to Freddy, Lorenzo and another hard look at Max Arends!

And …yes….there is a Freddy Alexander Zedan Arambatzis/Arends…see my posts from the last week …with research to back it up!
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« Reply #144 on: April 16, 2008, 05:58:01 AM »

Chata and vms...thanks for the posts and links...

Looks like the perfect spring day to wash those windows...LOL
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« Reply #145 on: April 16, 2008, 06:22:05 AM »

The Night in question, Natalee was brought here.

The pace is called Matty Appartments. There are 6 Apratment in a long row

The Aprtments do not have a number since noboy lives there permanent. The Address is Noort 15-A

It is behind a house and accesavle form the main road, almost 150 meters The Lekker Restaurant.

The night in question, They would not have gone to the WhiteHouse Apartment since it only accept couples and notting else. no group parties. For Paprty one need to use the WhiteHouse Cocktail Lounge.


Now manage the Matty Apartments.

Heidweiller   Carlos R   4/15/1955   Paramaribo   Noord 15A
Heidweiller   Lilian   12/16/1960   Paramaribo   Noord 15A
Heidweiller   Lyndon D   11/12/1964   Paramaribo   Noord 15A

All these people are from Surinam. The guy at the door / office looks like a Hindu


This is a location of where they have gone. That nght. Movie was made in this appartment. Now which Apartment did they use. I do not know. but my guess would be the last one all the way in the back.

Now if you have to make 2 hr movie and she died after that, it would be easy to get rid of the body right there in the murky pool of Monserat. It is just across the street.

and the cleaning of the appartment would have been easy since it is not in view of the street. The house was dusted.

the XTC and the DNA is just accoss from each other.

I still need a name for the escort that provided the service for the deflowering of forbidden fruits that Quido Wever  is part off and the so is Julia Renfro.

See map of the Location.




The Indo Restaurant and V.I.P. Club are next door?  Shocked

I believe these are the apartments Dave Holloway was speaking about in his book that I made reference to in an earlier post.
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« Reply #146 on: April 16, 2008, 07:31:48 AM »

THE V.I.P. CLUB  
 
Business address NOORD 17, NOORD
Legal form  LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY 
Name of the company  FILOU II N.V. 
Statutory seat  ARUBA 
Date of incorporation  7 MAY 1999 
     
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD: 
 
BAIDJNATH MISIER-KELKBOOM, JANIRA FRANCINA
Residing in  ALTO VISTA 76-B, NOORD, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 30 JUNE 1971 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  10 JUNE 2004 
Authority  FULL 



INDO 
 
Business address NOORD 17, NOORD 
Legal form  LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY 
Name of the company  ROTIE & CHICKEN HOUSE N.V. 
Statutory seat  ARUBA 
Date of incorporation  11 DECEMBER 1996 
     
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD: 
 
SLAMET, ISMAEL; 
Residing in  NOORD 17, NOORD, ARUBA 
Born in  SURINAME, NICKERIE on 12 JANUARY 1961 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  25 FEBRUARY 1999 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
   
JARAMILLO CHOLES-KROSENDIJK, VIVIAN;  
Residing in  OLIJFISTRAAT 30, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 5 SEPTEMBER 1963 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  1 JANUARY 2003 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
   

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« Reply #147 on: April 16, 2008, 08:58:22 AM »

See Glenda's (Renfro) response below.  She's claiming Sidney Ponson owes her $80,000???


Posted at RU when asked how you got involved in the case and found RU:

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Resigned wrote:

I blame all my many friends who have traveled to the island AND Sidney Ponson for getting me interested in this case when I heard the name Aruba mentioned.

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Glenda wrote:

Sidney pulled Resigned into this case to do what... I get nothing but critisism from Resigned.... Is is because his Friend Sidney owes Glenda $80,000 ? Hey Pat... Tell Sid to F.Off. And his buddy too that got into gambling debts that was going to be killed if he didn't get the money right away.... Damn Pitchers...

OG, pay attention.
Shall we venture a guess as to how Glenda Julia has $80,000 to give someone for a gambling debt???  Or a guess as to if actual cash money was paid to have the debt forgiven or perhaps some other "favor" equal to $80,000.  We all know there's nothing that she can do that's worth that........maybe some other money making venture.....
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05063/466292.stm

Baseball Notebook: Ponson's assault case is postponed
Friday, March 04, 2005

By The Associated Press
The assault case against Baltimore Orioles pitcher Sidney Ponson was postponed yesterday in Oranjestad, Aruba, and a judge gave both sides until May 10 to reach an out-of-court agreement.
Ponson, 28, is accused of committing violence alone or in the company of others in public, kicking a person in the head and battering a person by hitting him in the face with his fist. If convicted, Ponson faces a maximum sentence of four years in jail, a fine and community service.
Judge Bob Wit, flown in from the nearby Dutch Caribbean island of Curacao to give the case a sense of impartiality, said he took the pitcher's career into consideration in postponing the case.
Wit said that Ponson's livelihood could be jeopardized if he has a criminal record because his U.S. work visa could be taken away. Ponson was born in Aruba, a semiautonomous Dutch Caribbean territory.
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Texasmom...could you please explain if this has anything to do with Natalee's case, other than Judge Wit, or Shango?  TIA
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« Reply #148 on: April 16, 2008, 09:34:49 AM »

THE V.I.P. CLUB  
 
Business address NOORD 17, NOORD
Legal form  LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY 
Name of the company  FILOU II N.V. 
Statutory seat  ARUBA 
Date of incorporation  7 MAY 1999 
     
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD: 
 
BAIDJNATH MISIER-KELKBOOM, JANIRA FRANCINA
Residing in  ALTO VISTA 76-B, NOORD, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 30 JUNE 1971 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  10 JUNE 2004 
Authority  FULL 



INDO 
 
Business address NOORD 17, NOORD 
Legal form  LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY 
Name of the company  ROTIE & CHICKEN HOUSE N.V. 
Statutory seat  ARUBA 
Date of incorporation  11 DECEMBER 1996 
     
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD: 
 
SLAMET, ISMAEL; 
Residing in  NOORD 17, NOORD, ARUBA 
Born in  SURINAME, NICKERIE on 12 JANUARY 1961 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  25 FEBRUARY 1999 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
   
JARAMILLO CHOLES-KROSENDIJK, VIVIAN;  
Residing in  OLIJFISTRAAT 30, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 5 SEPTEMBER 1963 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  1 JANUARY 2003 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
   

So are these the same row of apts. that the Clausen's took pictures of and a few of us have??
 Did  the Clausen's ever post them here?
Was this called the "Lion's Den"?
17 NOORD ?????
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« Reply #149 on: April 16, 2008, 10:31:20 AM »

Caps
I know you have left right now, but I am going to try to answer a few questions and if you would please come back and correct me on any of it.  You have let the cat out of the bag now...it all requires proof to go from a theory to evidence.  We have lots of speculation and nothing to hang our hats on this time too...so please come back and explain a little better about your theories.


The apartments in question...Caps is saying that place is across the street and down from the Lekker Restaurant.  (XTC DNA = exotic dinna).  In his photo you can not see the Lekker restaurant.  Also, this particular road is the one that leads to the Mc Donald's near the beach, where a call was supposedly placed that night.  The area would be the Monserat area. I have no idea whether it is the Noord area also.  Since I know the chinese restaurant is on this street, I suppose one could go from that address and decided what if this is the same area as the Indo.  I think Caps is saying it is not, but he can correct me on that fact if I am wrong.

Now I have a few questions for Caps...please fill in the blanks:

1. What happened to the Shango riddles?  Would you mind posting the riddles and providing the answers as to how they fit this latest scenario?
2. What happened to the hitmen from Surinam that caught the plane afterwards?
3. Where is it that Shango tells us that Julia is involved in all this?  I really want to see that part.
4.  Who else was there when this happened? Rudy Croes, as Loegese alluded to?  Was Paulus there?
5.  What happened to the theory about the kidnapping of the wrong girl?
6.  Would Steve Croes be the escort to this place? 
7.  How does Joran figure into this scenario?  Was he there? 
8. Do the Kalpoes have anything to do with this or were they innocent?
9. Please show everyone the connection between the casino and this place.
10. Who killed Natalee in this place?  Was it Joran?
11. Who are the men that are responsible for all this stuff? 
12.  Does Julia get paid to provide these girls? What is her part in all this?
13. Who did the filming of this movie? 
14. Where is the movie now?  Who has it in their possession? 
15.  How does this relate to Joran's story about the beach and Daury?
16.  Do you still think the DEA knew more than he let on to the family?
17.  How does Ponson figure into this whole theory?
18. Where does your Ritz-Carlton theory fit in all this?
19.  Is this two different stories or are they woven into one?
20.  Who is the 5th suspect that Simian is talking about?  The person that provided escort?
21.  How does Deutkohom (sp) fit into all this?  Was he there that night?

I will stop there for now, but if you don't mind answering these questions it will help everyone that is reading to better understand your theory. Thanks.
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« Reply #150 on: April 16, 2008, 11:10:08 AM »

Where the heck is everyone?  hmmmmm...I can wait. 
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« Reply #151 on: April 16, 2008, 11:10:59 AM »

THE V.I.P. CLUB  
 
Business address NOORD 17, NOORD
Legal form  LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY 
Name of the company  FILOU II N.V. 
Statutory seat  ARUBA 
Date of incorporation  7 MAY 1999 
     
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD: 
 
BAIDJNATH MISIER-KELKBOOM, JANIRA FRANCINA
Residing in  ALTO VISTA 76-B, NOORD, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 30 JUNE 1971 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  10 JUNE 2004 
Authority  FULL 



INDO 
 
Business address NOORD 17, NOORD 
Legal form  LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY 
Name of the company  ROTIE & CHICKEN HOUSE N.V. 
Statutory seat  ARUBA 
Date of incorporation  11 DECEMBER 1996 
     
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD: 
 
SLAMET, ISMAEL; 
Residing in  NOORD 17, NOORD, ARUBA 
Born in  SURINAME, NICKERIE on 12 JANUARY 1961 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  25 FEBRUARY 1999 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
   
JARAMILLO CHOLES-KROSENDIJK, VIVIAN;  
Residing in  OLIJFISTRAAT 30, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 5 SEPTEMBER 1963 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  1 JANUARY 2003 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
   

So are these the same row of apts. that the Clausen's took pictures of and a few of us have??
 Did  the Clausen's ever post them here?
Was this called the "Lion's Den"?
17 NOORD ?????


Blonde,
I think it is the same row of apartments.  Mrs Clausen posted here as Best Buddy.
Another poster, Ringo, may have gone with the Clausens.
Pictures were posted here on the Codetalkers Thread and then taken away,
when Bestbuddy and Ringo went away and stared a new invitation only site,
which is now deunct.  Bestbuddy also had a lot of information from gamblers
from Las Vegas who knew all about Natalee and the Lion's Den.
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« Reply #152 on: April 16, 2008, 11:20:06 AM »

Didn't Dave say the Indo restaurant and the lions den next door was suspicious?  I think so.  I am certain this has been discussed before.  The Claussen info...where did that come from?  Who was it that provided that info to us?  I forget now.  I wish I could find all that info from the LCD, but I can't...I am sure this info will help Dave to sort through what he knows to be true and maybe he can connect the dots accordingly. 

Caps?  Where are you?  I have questions...we need to fill in the blanks. What happened to all those Dutch apartments you led us to early on?  Do they still use those for illicit purposes?  Who would answer the phone if we called?  Which relative?  Could it be one of Anita's...lots of monkeys have thought she held all the cards from the get go.

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« Reply #153 on: April 16, 2008, 11:22:39 AM »

THE V.I.P. CLUB  
 
Business address NOORD 17, NOORD
Legal form  LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY 
Name of the company  FILOU II N.V. 
Statutory seat  ARUBA 
Date of incorporation  7 MAY 1999 
     
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD: 
 
BAIDJNATH MISIER-KELKBOOM, JANIRA FRANCINA
Residing in  ALTO VISTA 76-B, NOORD, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 30 JUNE 1971 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  10 JUNE 2004 
Authority  FULL 



INDO 
 
Business address NOORD 17, NOORD 
Legal form  LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY 
Name of the company  ROTIE & CHICKEN HOUSE N.V. 
Statutory seat  ARUBA 
Date of incorporation  11 DECEMBER 1996 
     
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD: 
 
SLAMET, ISMAEL; 
Residing in  NOORD 17, NOORD, ARUBA 
Born in  SURINAME, NICKERIE on 12 JANUARY 1961 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  25 FEBRUARY 1999 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
   
JARAMILLO CHOLES-KROSENDIJK, VIVIAN;  
Residing in  OLIJFISTRAAT 30, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 5 SEPTEMBER 1963 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  1 JANUARY 2003 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
   



I thought Caps said these people that own this place are from Suriname?  No wonder the Kalpoes are so quiet...didn't Caps say they and Joran were not involved in her death?
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« Reply #154 on: April 16, 2008, 11:24:44 AM »

Magnolia
Didn't bestbuddy go to Aruba and meet with Anita at one time? I seem to remember being told that at one time by another monkey that was friends with Ringo.
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« Reply #155 on: April 16, 2008, 11:30:11 AM »

Didn't Dave say the Indo restaurant and the lions den next door was suspicious?  I think so.  I am certain this has been discussed before.  The Claussen info...where did that come from?  Who was it that provided that info to us?  I forget now.  I wish I could find all that info from the LCD, but I can't...I am sure this info will help Dave to sort through what he knows to be true and maybe he can connect the dots accordingly. 

Caps?  Where are you?  I have questions...we need to fill in the blanks. What happened to all those Dutch apartments you led us to early on?  Do they still use those for illicit purposes?  Who would answer the phone if we called?  Which relative?  Could it be one of Anita's...lots of monkeys have thought she held all the cards from the get go.




Good Morning Lala's...IIRC, Pita posted that in Dave's book it was alluded to that the Lion's Den was one of Freddy's filming places. I recall way back the Claussen website and pics which have now long gone. Also remember lots of discussion on the old LCD before I joined.

I can't fathom why Caps told me no when I asked in January about the Lion's Den and now 3 months later we are here revisiting it! Is this new info to him? Then he needs to explain!

I shudder to think how many weeks of research are in that list you just posted, and that is just on my part!

Thanks Magnolia...that was all new info about the posters. Most appreciated.
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« Reply #156 on: April 16, 2008, 11:39:54 AM »

I've been meaning to say this forever but I keep forgetting - I'm getting old I guess.

There is one area of Aruba that is very very lucrative and legal....wanna guess? that's right the jewelry businesses. Over the years I would always buy my girlfriend something from one or two of the store where I became friends with the owner.

Little Europe was probably my favorite because I liked Sonny so much.

So what does this have to do with anything? probably nothing, but, everyone that seems to work or own these stores is from Suriname and of Indian decent. I understand that all of these people live in the same area and are a very close knit community. This is an area that seems to have escaped any discussion over the years. And I would think that the boycott and the decline in tourists have just about bankrupted some of these stores. They obviously have a lot to lose.

Just wondering if there is a connection to Suriname and the Kalpoes that could go through these jewelry stores?

probably not...
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« Reply #157 on: April 16, 2008, 11:51:44 AM »

I've been meaning to say this forever but I keep forgetting - I'm getting old I guess.

There is one area of Aruba that is very very lucrative and legal....wanna guess? that's right the jewelry businesses. Over the years I would always buy my girlfriend something from one or two of the store where I became friends with the owner.

Little Europe was probably my favorite because I liked Sonny so much.

So what does this have to do with anything? probably nothing, but, everyone that seems to work or own these stores is from Suriname and of Indian decent. I understand that all of these people live in the same area and are a very close knit community. This is an area that seems to have escaped any discussion over the years. And I would think that the boycott and the decline in tourists have just about bankrupted some of these stores. They obviously have a lot to lose.

Just wondering if there is a connection to Suriname and the Kalpoes that could go through these jewelry stores?

probably not...


Good Morning Rob...Caps mentioned some-one and a jewellery store last week. For the life of me I can't remember the name for sure...could very possibly be have been the Giovanni ponson guy when we were discussing him and Angela Reppas. I think it was...no idea who this Ponson is either....LOL...the cobwebs were clearing as I was posting!
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« Reply #158 on: April 16, 2008, 11:55:57 AM »

The Night in question, Natalee was brought here.

The pace is called Matty Appartments. There are 6 Apratment in a long row

The Aprtments do not have a number since noboy lives there permanent. The Address is Noort 15-A

It is behind a house and accesavle form the main road, almost 150 meters The Lekker Restaurant.

The night in question, They would not have gone to the WhiteHouse Apartment since it only accept couples and notting else. no group parties. For Paprty one need to use the WhiteHouse Cocktail Lounge.


Now manage the Matty Apartments.

Heidweiller   Carlos R   4/15/1955   Paramaribo   Noord 15A
Heidweiller   Lilian   12/16/1960   Paramaribo   Noord 15A
Heidweiller   Lyndon D   11/12/1964   Paramaribo   Noord 15A

All these people are from Surinam. The guy at the door / office looks like a Hindu


This is a location of where they have gone. That nght. Movie was made in this appartment. Now which Apartment did they use. I do not know. but my guess would be the last one all the way in the back.

Now if you have to make 2 hr movie and she died after that, it would be easy to get rid of the body right there in the murky pool of Monserat. It is just across the street.

and the cleaning of the appartment would have been easy since it is not in view of the street. The house was dusted.

the XTC and the DNA is just accoss from each other.

I still need a name for the escort that provided the service for the deflowering of forbidden fruits that Quido Wever  is part off and the so is Julia Renfro.

See map of the Location.




The Indo Restaurant and V.I.P. Club are next door?  Shocked

I believe these are the apartments Dave Holloway was speaking about in his book that I made reference to in an earlier post.

Yep, we are right back to September, 2005.
Now we have the Heidweiller and Matty Appartments to add to all the Baidjnath-Misier info...
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« Reply #159 on: April 16, 2008, 11:56:54 AM »

I've been meaning to say this forever but I keep forgetting - I'm getting old I guess.

There is one area of Aruba that is very very lucrative and legal....wanna guess? that's right the jewelry businesses. Over the years I would always buy my girlfriend something from one or two of the store where I became friends with the owner.

Little Europe was probably my favorite because I liked Sonny so much.

So what does this have to do with anything? probably nothing, but, everyone that seems to work or own these stores is from Suriname and of Indian decent. I understand that all of these people live in the same area and are a very close knit community. This is an area that seems to have escaped any discussion over the years. And I would think that the boycott and the decline in tourists have just about bankrupted some of these stores. They obviously have a lot to lose.

Just wondering if there is a connection to Suriname and the Kalpoes that could go through these jewelry stores?

probably not...


Doesn't Julia's fella have a connection with Diamonds International?  I think I remember seeing that posted here somewhere.  Maybe in NAH.
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