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« Reply #1520 on: May 08, 2008, 01:47:13 PM »

CAPS,

Do you still have the newspaper article that you showed us about Patrick's brother woning the water sports company where Patrick and Joran met before the casino in Holland?  We need to see it again, please.


http://www.tctubantia.nl/algemeen/binnenland/2579829/Almelose-zakenman-ontfutselt-bekentenis.ece




Thanks, CAPS

This thread is getting exhausting.  Can you give us some more information about what is going on in the Manserat/Lekker area?  We didn't know anything about a witness.  If you have a cell phone can you please send a picture or something to verify what is happening?  I think it would make things a lot easier.  Can you comment about Dave's email?  Is anyone looking at the pond?

This article implies that Patrick met Joran prior to the casino meeting of last year?  Is there anybody who could translate the segment that implies the connection.  If not ... I will email it to my youngest son's Dutch American father-in-law.

SS ... the previous translation that Caps provided which implied that Patrick had a long term relationship with the VDS' was incorrect ... according to caesu response to Caps.

SS ... I am not a Patrick fan but ... I firmly believe that any accusations need to be verified. 

Janet

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Almelose zakenman ontfutselt bekentenis
zondag 03 februari 2008 | 08:24 | Laatst bijgewerkt op: maandag 28 april 2008 | 22:27


ALMELO - De man die namens misdaadverslaggever Peter R. de Vries met behulp van een verborgen camera Joran van der Sloot een ‘bekentenis’ heeft ontfutseld, is de van oorsprong Antilliaanse ondernemer Patrick van der Eem.

Deze 34-jarige kennis van Joran drijft sinds juli 2003 op franchise-basis een zaak in slangen en slangkoppelingen in Almelo (onder de naam Pirtek ), maar woont in een recreatiebungalow in het Gelderse Lathum, ten oosten van Velp.

Van der Eem is geboren op Curaçao. Een broer van hem woont op Aruba, waar hij een botenverhuurbedrijf heeft. Via die broer leerden Joran van der Sloot en Patrick elkaar kennen. Patrick heeft zich vorig najaar zelf bij Peter R. de Vries gemeld. Volgens De Vries heeft Van der Eem in totaal vijf maanden aan de ‘undercoveroperatie’ tegen Joran van der Sloot meegewerkt. Hij heeft daarvoor een maandelijkse onkostenvergoeding van 5000 euro ontvangen, in totaal dus 25.000 euro.

Als woning in Nederland heeft Van der Eem een bungalow in het 700 hectare grote recreatiegebied Rhederlaag in Lathum (gemeente Zevenaar). Op een 25 hectare groot schiereiland in het Rhedermeer ligt het bungalow- en villapark Riverparc met 350 recreatiewoningen. Het ligt op 15 autominuten van Arnhem, officieel de woonplaats van Joran van der Sloot. Afgelopen vrijdag werd hij in Arnhem nog feestend aangetroffen in discotheek Manhattan. Sinds zaterdag is hij ondergedoken. Van diverse zijden werd zaterdag gemeld dat hij in Drachten zou verblijven, maar dat bleek later om een persoonsverwisseling te gaan.

Van der Eem opende de Almelose vestiging op 14 juli 2003. Er werken acht mensen. De onderneming ligt aan de Van der Hoopweg op het industrieterrein Turfkade A. Hier was gisteren niemand te bekennen. Pirtek was wel telefonisch bereikbaar via een alarmcentrale. De centralist beschikte niet over informatie over de ondernemer. Wel was het nieuws over de vriendschap tussen Van der Eem en Van der Sloot al vroeg doorgedrongen. Over Van der Eem waren geen gegevens beschikbaar.

http://www.tctubantia.nl/algemeen/binnenland/2579829/Almelose-zakenman-ontfutselt-bekentenis.ece
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« Reply #1521 on: May 08, 2008, 01:54:51 PM »

SS ... I was just pointing out that CAPS research/sources DID NOT reveal that Patrick van der Eem had a long term relationship with the VDS' and ... that Patrick lived in Deepak and Satish neighbourhood.

Janet


I don't think it was said that they had a long term relationship.  I think it was that they had known each other for seven years.
Patrick had claimed at the time of the video release that he had met Joran for the first time in a casino in Holland, at which time he greeted Joran using the name "Murderer".  If they had done water sports together at Patrick's brother's business, then Patrick wasn't being honest.


SS ... you are ignorning the following post which Caps submitted as proof to his claim that Patrick had a long term relationship with the VDS' and ... caesu's response.

Something is not right.

Janet

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http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2793.msg375280#msg375280

Quote from: CapsLockWizard on April 19, 2008, 06:31:47 PM

Here is your proof that where Patric lived in holland, he was only 15 minutes drive from the Sloot famaly and they know each other since 2003 according to this article.

check it out, it is in Dutch.

http://www.tctubantia.nl/algemeen/binnenland/2579829/Almelose-zakenman-ontfutselt-bekentenis.ece

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Quote from: caesu on April 19, 2008, 06:51:59 PM
 
it doesn't say that in that article.

it says he lives in a bungalow in Lathum - Zevenaar, 15 minutes from Arnhem.

and in 2003 he started his hydraulic hoses company in Almelo.

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« Reply #1522 on: May 08, 2008, 02:06:51 PM »

SS ... I was just pointing out that CAPS research/sources DID NOT reveal that Patrick van der Eem had a long term relationship with the VDS' and ... that Patrick lived in Deepak and Satish neighbourhood.

Janet


I don't think it was said that they had a long term relationship.  I think it was that they had known each other for seven years.

Patrick had claimed at the time of the video release that he had met Joran for the first time in a casino in Holland, at which time he greeted Joran using the name "Murderer".  If they had done water sports together at Patrick's brother's business, then Patrick wasn't being honest.


SS ... Caps said it and ... you said it in your submission to Patrick's blog.  Then there is the issue about Patrick and the Kalpoe brothers being neighbours ...

Now if the "water sport" article implies a "direct" connection between Patrick and Joran ...


Janet

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http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2793.msg375280#msg375280

Quote from: CapsLockWizard on April 19, 2008, 06:31:47 PM

Here is your proof that where Patric lived in holland, he was only 15 minutes drive from the Sloot famaly and they know each other since 2003 according to this article.

check it out, it is in Dutch.

http://www.tctubantia.nl/algemeen/binnenland/2579829/Almelose-zakenman-ontfutselt-bekentenis.ece

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http://patrickvandereem.nl/uncategorized/the-ongoing-boycot-aruba-saga/

38.  April 18th, 2008 at 6:04 pm
Justice for Natalee Holloway said:


I am sincerely disappointed to learn that you have known the van der Sloots for seven years, lived across the street from the Kalpoes, and staged the entire video with your friend Joran. You should be ashamed of yourself. I, for one, will not be purchasing your volume of fiction and I have no intention of stopping my boycott of Aruba.
 
http://patrickvandereem.nl/uncategorized/the-ongoing-boycot-aruba-saga/

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« Reply #1523 on: May 08, 2008, 02:18:33 PM »

SS ... I was just pointing out that CAPS research/sources DID NOT reveal that Patrick van der Eem had a long term relationship with the VDS' and ... that Patrick lived in Deepak and Satish neighbourhood.

Janet


I don't think it was said that they had a long term relationship.  I think it was that they had known each other for seven years.
Patrick had claimed at the time of the video release that he had met Joran for the first time in a casino in Holland, at which time he greeted Joran using the name "Murderer".  If they had done water sports together at Patrick's brother's business, then Patrick wasn't being honest.

SS,
If you are basing anything to do with "7 years" from Caps post, he stated in a response to my questioning it that the "7 years" was an error.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2733.msg371273#msg371273

Janet,
The altavista bablefish translation of the article says this:

Diddles consent to Almelose matter man
Sunday 03 February 2008 | 08.24 | Last updated on: Monday 28 April 2008 | 22.27

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Joran of of the ditch with friends. Photograph DUTCH PRESS AGENCY

ALMELO - the man who freezes on behalf of crime report donor peter R. using a hidden camera Joran of of the ditch ‘a consent’ has diddled, of origin the antillian entrepreneur Patrick of of the Eem is.


See also:
No arrest warrant Joran
This 34 person whose birthday it is knowledge of Joran has floated a matter in snakes and snake links in Almelo (under the name Pirtek) since July 2003 on deduction from pension ous paym basis, but has lived in a recreation bungalow in gelderse Lathum, at east of Velp.


Of of the Eem is born on Curaçao. A brother of him lives on Aruba, where he has a boat rent company. By means of that brother Joran of of the ditch and Patrick learned know each other. Patrick have previous autumn himself at peter R. freeze themselves communicated. According to freeze of of the Eem in sum five months have cooperated in ‘’ the undercoveroperatie against Joran of of the ditch. He for that a monthly onkostenvergoeding from 5000 euro, in sum therefore 25,000 euro has received.


If house in the Netherlands has large recreation area Rhederlaag of of the Eem a bungalow in 700 hectares in Lathum (municipality seven ear). On 25 hectares large peninsula in the Rhedermeer bungalow lies - and villa park Riverparc with 350 recreation houses. It lies officially on 15 car minutes of arnhem, the place of residence of Joran of of the ditch. Last Friday he was still celebrating found in arnhem in discotheque Manhattan. Since Saturday he has gone into hiding. Of several sides Saturday was communicated that he would stay in drachten, but that appeared later a person permutation go.


Of of the Eem the Almelose opened establishment on 14 July there 2003. work eight people. The venture lies to of of the Hoopweg in the industry area the peat quay A. here was yesterday confess nobody. Pirtek were, however, telephone contactable by means of an emergency centre. The centre trick did not have information on the entrepreneur. However, the news concerning the friendship between of of the Eem and of of the ditch had penetrated already early. Concerning of of the Eem no data were available.


I hope this helps!   
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« Reply #1524 on: May 08, 2008, 02:40:24 PM »

From an email. FWIW... 


glenda posted:
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« Reply #1525 on: May 08, 2008, 02:40:32 PM »


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If the Kalpoe father owns the VIP Club, then it appears Kawish Misier and the Kalpoes are related - with Baidjnath Misier being the Kalpoe father and uncle of Kawish Misier.  Is this correct CAPS?



Good Morning, Pita.

This is one of Cap's claims that I cannot make sense of. Dave was all over that place as were others who went to Aruba to investigate. How could none of them not know that the Kalpoe father owned the VIP?
Maybe it's just me. 

This is correct,

I do not have dave book, but this is a good question, if Dave was there he must have met the Kalpoes Famaly via the VIP club. But this Lodge/Club is also used by the member of the "Sol Naciente" masons



Caps, it appears El Sol Naciente has its own building.  Why would they need to use the VIP?



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« Reply #1526 on: May 08, 2008, 02:45:39 PM »

CAPS,

Do you still have the newspaper article that you showed us about Patrick's brother woning the water sports company where Patrick and Joran met before the casino in Holland?  We need to see it again, please.


http://www.tctubantia.nl/algemeen/binnenland/2579829/Almelose-zakenman-ontfutselt-bekentenis.ece




Thanks, CAPS

This thread is getting exhausting.  Can you give us some more information about what is going on in the Manserat/Lekker area?  We didn't know anything about a witness.  If you have a cell phone can you please send a picture or something to verify what is happening?  I think it would make things a lot easier.  Can you comment about Dave's email?  Is anyone looking at the pond?

This article implies that Patrick met Joran prior to the casino meeting of last year?  Is there anybody who could translate the segment that implies the connection.  If not ... I will email it to my youngest son's Dutch American father-in-law.

SS ... the previous translation that Caps provided which implied that Patrick had a long term relationship with the VDS' was incorrect ... according to caesu response to Caps.

SS ... I am not a Patrick fan but ... I firmly believe that any accusations need to be verified. 

Janet

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Almelose zakenman ontfutselt bekentenis
zondag 03 februari 2008 | 08:24 | Laatst bijgewerkt op: maandag 28 april 2008 | 22:27


ALMELO - De man die namens misdaadverslaggever Peter R. de Vries met behulp van een verborgen camera Joran van der Sloot een ‘bekentenis’ heeft ontfutseld, is de van oorsprong Antilliaanse ondernemer Patrick van der Eem.

Deze 34-jarige kennis van Joran drijft sinds juli 2003 op franchise-basis een zaak in slangen en slangkoppelingen in Almelo (onder de naam Pirtek ), maar woont in een recreatiebungalow in het Gelderse Lathum, ten oosten van Velp.

Van der Eem is geboren op Curaçao. Een broer van hem woont op Aruba, waar hij een botenverhuurbedrijf heeft. Via die broer leerden Joran van der Sloot en Patrick elkaar kennen. Patrick heeft zich vorig najaar zelf bij Peter R. de Vries gemeld. Volgens De Vries heeft Van der Eem in totaal vijf maanden aan de ‘undercoveroperatie’ tegen Joran van der Sloot meegewerkt. Hij heeft daarvoor een maandelijkse onkostenvergoeding van 5000 euro ontvangen, in totaal dus 25.000 euro.

Als woning in Nederland heeft Van der Eem een bungalow in het 700 hectare grote recreatiegebied Rhederlaag in Lathum (gemeente Zevenaar). Op een 25 hectare groot schiereiland in het Rhedermeer ligt het bungalow- en villapark Riverparc met 350 recreatiewoningen. Het ligt op 15 autominuten van Arnhem, officieel de woonplaats van Joran van der Sloot. Afgelopen vrijdag werd hij in Arnhem nog feestend aangetroffen in discotheek Manhattan. Sinds zaterdag is hij ondergedoken. Van diverse zijden werd zaterdag gemeld dat hij in Drachten zou verblijven, maar dat bleek later om een persoonsverwisseling te gaan.

Van der Eem opende de Almelose vestiging op 14 juli 2003. Er werken acht mensen. De onderneming ligt aan de Van der Hoopweg op het industrieterrein Turfkade A. Hier was gisteren niemand te bekennen. Pirtek was wel telefonisch bereikbaar via een alarmcentrale. De centralist beschikte niet over informatie over de ondernemer. Wel was het nieuws over de vriendschap tussen Van der Eem en Van der Sloot al vroeg doorgedrongen. Over Van der Eem waren geen gegevens beschikbaar.

http://www.tctubantia.nl/algemeen/binnenland/2579829/Almelose-zakenman-ontfutselt-bekentenis.ece




Janet,  first of all, I never accused Patrick of having a long term relationship with Joran.  I very carefully chose my words in that email.  I told Patrick that I was disappointed to learn that he had known Joran.  Patrick had every opportunity to correct what I had learned and he did not.  I also never used the term long term relationship.  I did say that I had learned that Patrick had known Joran.  Knowing someone and having a long term relationship are very different things.

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« Reply #1527 on: May 08, 2008, 03:25:43 PM »


Janet,  first of all, I never accused Patrick of having a long term relationship with Joran.  I very carefully chose my words in that email.  I told Patrick that I was disappointed to learn that he had known Joran.  Patrick had every opportunity to correct what I had learned and he did not.  I also never used the term long term relationship.  I did say that I had learned that Patrick had known Joran.  Knowing someone and having a long term relationship are very different things.


http://patrickvandereem.nl/uncategorized/the-ongoing-boycot-aruba-saga/

38.  April 18th, 2008 at 6:04 pm
Justice for Natalee Holloway said:


I am sincerely disappointed to learn that you have known the van der Sloots for seven years, lived across the street from the Kalpoes, and staged the entire video with your friend Joran. You should be ashamed of yourself. I, for one, will not be purchasing your volume of fiction and I have no intention of stopping my boycott of Aruba.
 


http://patrickvandereem.nl/uncategorized/the-ongoing-boycot-aruba-saga/

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The ongoing boycot Aruba saga


April 19th, 2008 at 12:30 am
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Hi Patrick,

I just noticed Justice for Natlee claims you’ve known the van der Sloots for 7 years and lived near the Kalpoes….and you didn’t respond to that…is that true? I doubt it but since you didn’t comment on it at all…..a bit weird.

Greetings,
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Total nonsense. Probably coming from this Casto tape. Funny how they believe that stuff, coz he is known as one of their biggest enemies if they really would care for Natalee. I start to doubt more and more the other information these people spread around. As far as the Kalpoe brothers go, they must have been in their nappies when I left Aruba.
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« Reply #1528 on: May 08, 2008, 05:34:00 PM »

I really hadn't followed this Shango thread much until the last few days in response to ******* posting the "Caps" revelation about the pond search -- now I wish I hadn't. What's with the bickering at one another here???? It's very unbecoming and disappointing. JMO
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« Reply #1529 on: May 08, 2008, 06:28:33 PM »

I really hadn't followed this Shango thread much until the last few days in response to ******* posting the "Caps" revelation about the pond search -- now I wish I hadn't. What's with the bickering at one another here???? It's very unbecoming and disappointing. JMO
I agree Wreck.....Its Very Easy in this thread to have Your words misunderstood...I don't think anyone is deliberately doing this it just happens sometimes.....I say lets get on with finding Justice for Natalee and forget all the bickering....I keep hoping that anyways....
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« Reply #1530 on: May 08, 2008, 06:32:31 PM »

I really hadn't followed this Shango thread much until the last few days in response to ******* posting the "Caps" revelation about the pond search -- now I wish I hadn't. What's with the bickering at one another here???? It's very unbecoming and disappointing. JMO
Maybe I should elaborate a little bit.............
I think many of us try to dissect people's words a little too precisely. Let's remember that many of our posters here (usually our newcomers and those we NEED to help us) do not speak English as their first language. Heck, English IS my language and I rarely get my intended thoughts out clearly!!!
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« Reply #1531 on: May 08, 2008, 07:30:28 PM »

Hey CAPS, when you stop in again......

There was an interesting post on the front page about Tim Miller and TES going to Aruba to search for Jose Tromp.  #27 Guajiri writes:

There is a possible connection here, and I am surprised you guys haven’ noticed it yet.
On Nov 21 Joran gets arrested in Holland,
on Nov 24 he is flown to Aruba and
transported to KIA. He is released on Dec 7
Tromp who is perfectly fit and healthy goes missing on Nov 27.
He worked in KIA.
Is there a link here ?

CAPS, do you know anything about Jose Tromp working at KIA?  Do you think there is a possible connection here?

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« Reply #1532 on: May 08, 2008, 07:35:06 PM »

Hello Mr Caps  Any good jokes today? I need one!

I am curious how you knew Lorenzo was the first that was detained and questioned because my research brought me to that conclusion. I was told he was detained the first week,not sure if it had to do with the tip about the clothes in his basement or if it was something else. Several Arubans said he was the first name mentioned to them in this case as well. If you look at who was questioned on June 16th I think it's a clue about who was involved in this case,not just on that day but I believe the sequence of questioning tells the story.

Also how did you know his knick was Bulo? You ever party with this guy? I hear he use to throw down some big time parties! They say he use to work at Brights bakery but I don't see why he would,when he didn't seem to need to work a job like that at all.
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« Reply #1533 on: May 08, 2008, 07:36:56 PM »

I really hadn't followed this Shango thread much until the last few days in response to ******* posting the "Caps" revelation about the pond search -- now I wish I hadn't. What's with the bickering at one another here???? It's very unbecoming and disappointing. JMO

Yogi Berra: "this is like deja vu all over again"

re the current controversy here and w/ all due respect ...
in our eagerness to find resolution during the last 3 years
we have on occasion latched onto/trusted the wrong people

ie: Julia Renfro/who shared the nic Bondia w/ others
and Tito Lacle/various "locals" who were viewed as "good guys"

those who were suspicious of them/questioned their motives
were chastised and basically told to step off

in the cyber world, it's very easy to present yourself
as something other than what you are

those w/ suspicious minds may be right/may be wrong ...
time will tell ...
but they should be permitted to express their concern
w/o being judged and found deficient

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« Reply #1534 on: May 08, 2008, 07:44:34 PM »


FIrst of all Sorry,

This morning, the area from McDonald till lekker is being analyzed by those from Holand CSI. Also to the house of the witness is being analyzed.  They are also near the Brickel bay.
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Thanks for the news, CAPS.  Can you tell us which witness? 

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Caps what is a lekker??? Is that a street?
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« Reply #1535 on: May 08, 2008, 07:56:39 PM »

PLEASE - I know I start each thread with this but I'd like everyone to watch and listen to why, after 3 years, we are still here.


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« Reply #1536 on: May 08, 2008, 08:09:01 PM »

Thanks Klaas, we needed that!
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« Reply #1537 on: May 08, 2008, 08:13:25 PM »

Thank You Klaas...Its All About Natalee!

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« Reply #1538 on: May 08, 2008, 08:13:32 PM »

Caps what is a lekker??? Is that a street?



Hi AZSunny,
I'm not Caps, but I believe Lekker is a restaurant.
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #1539 on: May 08, 2008, 08:50:25 PM »

Caps what is a lekker??? Is that a street?



Hi AZSunny,
I'm not Caps, but I believe Lekker is a restaurant.

OK, thanks.  I wasn't sure if it was an area, or a street, or what.  I need that marked picture that i didn't save!  Any one know where it is that shows the ball field, and the pond?
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