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« Reply #340 on: April 19, 2008, 04:13:19 PM »

Have we ever decided on a person as the 5th suspect?  I have lost track in all this lately.  We really need some movement in this case..it's going cold fast and furiously.


LaLa, in your search for the 5th Suspect:



In a recent press conference the authorities said that they are aware of some rumors that is going on since yesterday night, but they are not confirming them neighter denying them and they are at the point that this case will be resolve soon. And that all the five suspects are deteintI think we will have soon news in the next hours. Posted by: glenda | Saturday, June 11, 2005 at 11:46 AM


By June 11, 2005 SUSPECTS DETAINED ARE:

June 5, 2005 - Mickey John -  held under the suspicion of homicide, accessory to homicide, murder, accessory to murder and kidnapping.


               Abraham Jones - held under the suspicion of homicide, accessory to homicide, murder, accessory to murder and kidnapping.




June 9, 2005 - Joran van der Sloot - Suspicion of murder and kidnapping

             - Deepak Kalpoe - Suspicion of murder and kidnapping

             - Satish Kalpoe - Suspicion of murder and kidnapping








June 13, 2005 - Mickey John released and says Deepak told him they dropped Joran and Natalee at Marriott beach

June 14, 2005 - Abraham Jones released.

June 16, 2005 - Steve Croes goes to police station and is questioned
              - Lorenzo van Rijn questioned by polis
              - Maxiot Arendsz questioned by polis


June 17, 2005 - Steve Croes arrested


une 18, 2005 - Rene van Heyningen murdered
              - Paulus and Anita van der Sloot questioned by police
              - Sergio Gomez reported missing
June 18, 2005 - Judge Bob Witt ruled Paulus van der Sloot can not visit Joran in jail, but Anita can.



June 19, 2005 - Paulus and Anita van der Sloot questioned by police


June 19, 2005 - Paulus and Anita van der Sloot questioned by police

June 20, 2005 - Kalpoe's transferred from jail to KIA

June 21, 2005 - Joran transferred from jail to Kia

              - Beth and Greta go to van der Sloots home and have a 90 minute talk

June 23, 2005 - Paulus arrested

June 26, 2006 - Court hearing (Joran, Paulus, Kalpoes and Steve Croes)
              - Paulus released

June 27, 2005 - Steve Croes released

June 28, 2005 - Steve croes meets with his boss and is fired from Tattoo job.

June 29, 2005 - Karin Janssen releases Marianine Croes as spokesperson.
                Jan van der Straaten is moving back to Holland after July 15th




Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 11:06 am
The important “others” are the ones that supported the alibi.
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« Reply #341 on: April 19, 2008, 04:50:08 PM »

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I think we know by now that you think the 5th suspect is Paulus.  I am still waiting for the connection to a "cool and crazy" guy that Natalee would be the least interested in being Paulus...he's a dirty old man and I think even Natalee would think that too.  I have tried...but my mind just can't fathom her being interested in him at all...ever.

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« Reply #342 on: April 19, 2008, 04:51:55 PM »

Bringing this over for those that may have missed this in the NAH forum:

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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #748 4/17 -
« Reply #269 on: Today at 02:46:54 PM »
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The Father of Kalpoes still today own the VIP and the Indu Restaurant. THe Kalpoes still today are fighting their living and working permit to stay in Aruba.

The operation of Matty Apartments has change from night hours to day hours now. it closes now every night at 11:00 PM at ther the restaurnat and the VIP closes.

Some person in the Escord bussiness like Beto and Nino said that they are not in the bussiness of young teens, They said that there are some that are working from the beach area and advertise in the News but that they not legal as registed at the chamber of commerce. He suggest to find old 2005 News ads. They both have there own girls which are from Latin America.

Those that concentrate on the Americans are in side the Hotels self and promote this from within the Hotel chains.

More on this later
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« Reply #343 on: April 19, 2008, 05:06:02 PM »

Colombo
I think we know by now that you think the 5th suspect is Paulus.  I am still waiting for the connection to a "cool and crazy" guy that Natalee would be the least interested in being Paulus...he's a dirty old man and I think even Natalee would think that too.  I have tried...but my mind just can't fathom her being interested in him at all...ever.




Lala's:

Who needs the alibi?

Also, I think Simian is attaching motivations, not me. I think he does it to hide the real motivations-which are bad for wampum.....and Simian himself said that he makes his living on the island.

NH voluntarily left-with Joran.......

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:49 pm
The maze offers many hidden desires
deflowerings of forbidden fruits
DirtyHand knows.
So does the elder.

The lamb is a scapegoat.

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 11:43 pm
Mary rolled into the maze
to play with lions
but it was not a game
the lamb ran bleating

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 8:27 pm
DirtyHand and the fallen judge may not be crucified
the gods are talking

magical letters which spell sin
XTC DNA   (a legal checkmate???)
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« Reply #344 on: April 19, 2008, 05:29:43 PM »

Colombo
I think we know by now that you think the 5th suspect is Paulus.  I am still waiting for the connection to a "cool and crazy" guy that Natalee would be the least interested in being Paulus...he's a dirty old man and I think even Natalee would think that too.  I have tried...but my mind just can't fathom her being interested in him at all...ever.



The casino video demonstrates Natalee's body language when Paulus tries to engage her in a conversation.
Natalee clearly pulls back - away from him.

LALA MORE FOOD TO CONSIDER:


"of the five people now in custody"
Posted by: Harry | June 24, 2005 02:52 PM

By June 24, 2005 - the FIVE IN CUSTODY WERE:
Mickey Johns
Abraham Jones
Joran
Deepak
Satish
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« Reply #345 on: April 19, 2008, 05:32:04 PM »

Mum
Just had a thought!  Since we know Aruba isn't in the truth telling business...what is there to prevent any of those business registrations from being falsified?  Just because it says what it says does not make it so in Aruba.

For instance, Kermit has given the address for Freddy as the same as a studio, modeling agency, apartment. I doubt that anyone really checks those registrations for legality at all.



Paulus was in charge of contracts - perhaps he set up business on the island.




Good Morning Kermit...Good thought...Paulus' previous job with the contracts has been a sore point with me.

Been searching for info on the Airport ones from 1999 on, but not with much luck. Forward Operating Locations to be exact! Money allocated and appears Aruba is behind! New agreement due in 2010!

Something else to throw into the mix for you.
Remember Dan at RWV interviewed a friend of van der sloots and he mentions that Paulus travels on business a lot.

A judge-in-training would not travel on business a lot would he?

Seems suspicious to me.

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« Reply #346 on: April 19, 2008, 05:36:09 PM »

According to Kermit the 5th suspect is Satish...only thing that gives me pause is this...

Mickey Johns and Abraham Jones were released June 13, 2005.

Simian's dialogue on the 5th suspect doesn't begin until June 22, 2005.

Steve Croes was arrested June 17, 2005.

Paulus was arrested June 22, 2005.

Simian began posting on the FP of SM on June 17, 2005.

I am just stating what I can observe from the facts that I have at this time...my opinion only for what it's worth.

No - not according to kermit

I am only putting the information out.

I could change that order:

Abraham Jones
Mickey Johns
Satish
Deepak
Joran

see -

I just posted another regarding the same that the 5 suspects still remain the same by another date.

Interesting eh.

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« Reply #347 on: April 19, 2008, 05:37:14 PM »

Atan Lee's residence
converted to “ The Silvia Residence.”
the beautiful home of Arubas former Chief of Protocol, Mr. Atan Lee.


I think this is the house we went to to have dinner when we went on the Kukukunooku... you know the party bus.

If this is the right house, it has a room that is enclosed and we were told the Pope stayed in that room when he was on Aruba. It is closed off with glass from floor to ceiling.

I'm pretty sure this is the same house.


Yes, you take one of those party buses to the former Chief of Protocol's house.

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« Reply #348 on: April 19, 2008, 05:38:29 PM »

According to Kermit the 5th suspect is Satish...only thing that gives me pause is this...

Mickey Johns and Abraham Jones were released June 13, 2005.

Simian's dialogue on the 5th suspect doesn't begin until June 22, 2005.

Steve Croes was arrested June 17, 2005.

Paulus was arrested June 22, 2005.

Simian began posting on the FP of SM on June 17, 2005.

I am just stating what I can observe from the facts that I have at this time...my opinion only for what it's worth.


From the timing here, and going with that line of thinking, it appears that Deepak would be number 5, I think????

Not sure what the different numbers mean and why only Deepak's says 'first statement as a suspect'!

Both the Kalpoes arrest docs are at 5.50 and Joran's at 5.45.

Name: Joran van der Sloot
Date: 9 June 2005 / 12:00
Pages. 15
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs & Luigi Croes
Description: transcript of interrogation as a suspect
Responsive to Request 41

Name: Satish Kalpoe
Date: 9 June 2005 / 12:00 pin
Pages: I
Writer/Initiator: Juan Boezem & Shaniro Kelly
Responsive to Requests 28, 41, and 47

Name: Deepak Kalpoe
Date: 9 June 2005 / 15:30
Pages: 10
Writer/Initiator: Johny Erasmus & Clyde Burke
Description: first statement of D.S. Kalpoe as a suspect
Responsive to Request 25


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« Reply #349 on: April 19, 2008, 05:49:08 PM »

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 4:56 pm
The 5th suspect has an alibi so strong that he has everybody baffled.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:00 pm
The 5th suspect was the boyfriend from earlier in the week.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:03 pm
The party-goers said the 5th one was with them. He was the host. How could he have left?

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:09 pm
A scorned lover needs a motive? Drives some people to some crazy deeds.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:13 pm
A jealous boyfriend was at home with some friends. He couldn’t have done it. Sometimes friends will cover for each other.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:16 pm
He had to be let go (the fifth suspect)

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 2:30 pm
Paulus has been picked up.

CNN:
Judge arrested in Aruba case
Fifth suspect in custody after U.S. teen's disappearance
Thursday, June 23, 2005; Posted: 10:01 p.m. EDT (02:01 GMT)
Paul Van Der Sloot was arrested after being questioned by police as a witness over the weekend.
ORANJESTAD, Aruba (CNN) -- An Aruban judge, the father of a 17-year-old suspect in the disappearance of an Alabama teenager, also has been arrested in the case, the island's police commissioner said Thursday.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/23/aruba.holloway/index.html


[question: over the weekend who was Simian blogging about-who was being questioned at that time? the fifth suspect????]



I am going to go out on a limb here and just say this could possibly have been part of the whole maze of cover-up
to confuse and mis-lead the internet people including SM where this guy posted the information. Keeping in mind that not only did Joran read the websites, he contacted Dan at RWV and I know for a fact that Deepak was reading the SM boards and also Joran was reading bfn, he is still reading boards Guten Tag Herr Joran!

BUT most importantly, the LE were reading/watching these boards and also there were plants on the boards as you all can read back and see the devious lies posted by Scubajap and Glenda way back in the beginning.

So don't just trust EVERYTHING Shango or Simian said. It was part of the LE - crooked cops!





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« Reply #350 on: April 19, 2008, 05:54:24 PM »

According to Kermit the 5th suspect is Satish...only thing that gives me pause is this...

Mickey Johns and Abraham Jones were released June 13, 2005.

Simian's dialogue on the 5th suspect doesn't begin until June 22, 2005.

Steve Croes was arrested June 17, 2005.

Paulus was arrested June 22, 2005.

Simian began posting on the FP of SM on June 17, 2005.

I am just stating what I can observe from the facts that I have at this time...my opinion only for what it's worth.

No - not according to kermit

I am only putting the information out.

I could change that order:

Abraham Jones
Mickey Johns
Satish
Deepak
Joran

see -

I just posted another regarding the same that the 5 suspects still remain the same by another date.

Interesting eh.



I beg your pardon...oh wise one!  You are right I mistyped that...it should have read...According the Kermit's post concerning comments by a poster named Harry. LOL

So sorry to mix your words...never my intention.
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« Reply #351 on: April 19, 2008, 05:57:35 PM »

Bringing this over for those that may have missed this in the NAH forum:

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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #748 4/17 -
« Reply #269 on: Today at 02:46:54 PM »
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The Father of Kalpoes still today own the VIP and the Indu Restaurant. THe Kalpoes still today are fighting their living and working permit to stay in Aruba.

The operation of Matty Apartments has change from night hours to day hours now. it closes now every night at 11:00 PM at ther the restaurnat and the VIP closes.

Some person in the Escord bussiness like Beto and Nino said that they are not in the bussiness of young teens, They said that there are some that are working from the beach area and advertise in the News but that they not legal as registed at the chamber of commerce. He suggest to find old 2005 News ads. They both have there own girls which are from Latin America.

Those that concentrate on the Americans are in side the Hotels self and promote this from within the Hotel chains.

More on this later


For this to be true then Kawish's uncle would have to be K2's real father.  Not sure if I buy that yet, need more info.
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« Reply #352 on: April 19, 2008, 06:03:08 PM »

As I have said often...Shango clearly did not want Joran and the Kalpoes to be blamed for the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Yes, it is clear of this intent...to me at least...when he calls Joran the scapegoat...and says he ran bleating...young lambdersloot..that to me is distancing Joran from the actual crime.  It may not be to anyone else, but even Simian says the Kalpoes were told what to say...around the pool...they did not know what happened...who provided escort after the Kalpoes left.  It is obviously a way to remove the 3 perps from the equation.  Merian indicates that Freddy is involved in a manner that suggests...to me again...that Merian wants to distance the perps from the crime or at the least bring another suspect into this in order to distract from the original scenario which I think is the correct one. 

Shango brings us into a world of high stakes gamblers and money laundering and kidnapping and pornography...not what happened during the time Joran and Natalee were in the car with the Kalpoes.  As far as Shango is concerned...it all happened after Natalee was left or taken somewhere.  So is there merit to Shango?  To Simian?  We may never know.
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« Reply #353 on: April 19, 2008, 06:04:53 PM »

Bringing this over for those that may have missed this in the NAH forum:

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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #748 4/17 -
« Reply #269 on: Today at 02:46:54 PM »
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The Father of Kalpoes still today own the VIP and the Indu Restaurant. THe Kalpoes still today are fighting their living and working permit to stay in Aruba.

The operation of Matty Apartments has change from night hours to day hours now. it closes now every night at 11:00 PM at ther the restaurnat and the VIP closes.

Some person in the Escord bussiness like Beto and Nino said that they are not in the bussiness of young teens, They said that there are some that are working from the beach area and advertise in the News but that they not legal as registed at the chamber of commerce. He suggest to find old 2005 News ads. They both have there own girls which are from Latin America.

Those that concentrate on the Americans are in side the Hotels self and promote this from within the Hotel chains.

More on this later


For this to be true then Kawish's uncle would have to be K2's real father.  Not sure if I buy that yet, need more info.

Whew!  Here I was thinking I was the only monkey here that didn't know this.  Rolling Eyes
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« Reply #354 on: April 19, 2008, 06:08:19 PM »

Colombo
I think we know by now that you think the 5th suspect is Paulus.  I am still waiting for the connection to a "cool and crazy" guy that Natalee would be the least interested in being Paulus...he's a dirty old man and I think even Natalee would think that too.  I have tried...but my mind just can't fathom her being interested in him at all...ever.



The casino video demonstrates Natalee's body language when Paulus tries to engage her in a conversation.
Natalee clearly pulls back - away from him.

LALA MORE FOOD TO CONSIDER:


"of the five people now in custody"
Posted by: Harry | June 24, 2005 02:52 PM

By June 24, 2005 - the FIVE IN CUSTODY WERE:
Mickey Johns
Abraham Jones
Joran
Deepak
Satish


Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 2:30 pm
Paulus has been picked up.
Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 2:23 pm
The older Van Der Sloot has been taken in again by Aruban Police.
Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 2:27 pm
Can’t confirm that he is detained. He has been taken in again by the authorities.
Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 2:46 pm
Confirmed. He has been detained
Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 2:52 pm
Oh my God…
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« Reply #355 on: April 19, 2008, 06:12:38 PM »

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 3:10 pm
Father is a suspect of the disappearance.
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« Reply #356 on: April 19, 2008, 06:48:45 PM »

Mum - just to confuse matters a little more.  I read the Andrew Hodge's book a few months ago.  My brain felt like swiss cheese when I finished.  He is the one who is a detective from Alabama and was onboard the Persistence.  He also met with the fishermen who lost the trap.  He believes that Natalee died in the car, near the beach, while being raped and suffocated by Joran, Satish, and Deepak.  He has analysed an email that Deepak sent to a friend in the US, based on these thought-prints that he uses.  Dr. Hodge's thinks that Natalee died while Deepak was raping her.
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« Reply #357 on: April 19, 2008, 08:11:04 PM »


Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 2:30 pm
Paulus has been picked up.

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 2:23 pm
The older Van Der Sloot has been taken in again by Aruban Police.

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 2:27 pm
Can’t confirm that he is detained. He has been taken in again by the authorities.

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 2:46 pm
Confirmed. He has been detained

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 2:52 pm
Oh my God…

again: context/context/context

sim's "oh my god" was no biggie/was in reference to:

Jake on June 23rd, 2005 2:49 pm
Greta is on Fox news, and she is saying that just because he was taken in DOES NOT mean he is being charged. It might just be for more questioning. Any thoughts?


and followed by:

Simian on June 23rd, 2005 2:53 pm
Has Greta not learned yet that we don’t charge our people until trial???


sim's "oh my god" was said in disgust re Greta's reporting skills,
not in amazement/whatever re latest developments that day

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digging in my heels on this one:

there were at least two factions inside ALE,
one corrupt/one ethical

one faction said: yup, SGs are the perps ...
the other faction said: bah! J/K2 are FOS/SGs are patsies

so, depending on which faction was "feeding" simian ...
the SGs were never truly considered to be suspects
and therefore shouldn't be among those counted

the count begins w/ J/K2

also, depending on which ALE faction was feeding sim:
"unofficial" suspects" may never have reached "official" detainment status

they set off hinky meters among some in ALE/they were viewed as suspects
but they may not have been detained/arrested

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« Reply #358 on: April 19, 2008, 08:17:14 PM »

« Reply #274 on: April 17, 2008, 06:21:44 PM »posted by Finngirl

at this point, all we're missing is someone related to Sloots, LOL

Koen, Sander, Vader and Lorenzo…

 Wink 

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« Reply #359 on: April 19, 2008, 08:33:38 PM »

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 3:10 pm
Father is a suspect of the disappearance.



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