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« Reply #380 on: April 20, 2008, 10:53:28 AM »

This was posted on NAH last night and I noticed how closely this mimicked something I am all to familiar with after 3 years.  I don't know when the articles were posted in the newspapers, but it did catch my eye.  I will just leave it for everyone to decide for themselves what they think. Thanks to VMS for posting this!



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Is Bouwman a common name there, Caps?


Birmingham News

Police arrested a teen Thursday who spent time with Natalee Holloway during her visit here and may have been one of the last people to see her before she disappeared.

Police detained Joren van der Sloot, 17, after a 6 a.m. raid of his home in the town of Montana. They also arrested two brothers, Depak, 17, and Datish Kalpoe, 18, in the town of Hooiberg.

Attorney General Karin Janssen would not specify what charges the three could face.



Deputy Police Chief Jan van der Straten said Holloway met van der Sloot in the casino attached to her hotel two days before she disappeared. Family friends say Holloway knew that van der Sloot had spent much of the week playing cards in the casino with a group of boys from the trip.

Employees at the Holiday Inn casino said van der Sloot and the Kalpoes were part of a group of young regulars at the poker tables. They also said teens from the Mountain Brook group visited often during their five-day trip, playing cards with the local boys and drinking heavily, sometimes before noon.

Brenda Bouwman, marketing manager for the casino, said everybody who worked there knew the Mountain Brook teenagers “because they were partying and they were loud.” She said Holloway was seen with a group at the blackjack tables on Sunday, May 29, although she did not think the girl was gambling.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/index.php?s=bounch




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June 22nd, 2005 at 5:38 pm
Checkme…check this…and please recheck:

Girl comes to Aruba. Meets cool and crazy guy in C@$ino. Goes out with him. He declares that to be the case. Can’t deny it. It’s on tape. Everybody in the C@$ino knows the group of teens, they have been drinking in there for free the whole week. After a couple of days girl meets another boy in the same C@$ino. Goes out with him.
Simian: This makes first guy really mad. So mad he confronts second boy.
First guy never denies the affair. He knows they know he was with her. However, he has an airtight alibi. Some friends say they were at home with him. Until the morning.
How can this ever be solved?


Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:36 pm
All that the gamblers knew was written down. They knew the girl. She spent her nights at their tables.
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« Reply #381 on: April 20, 2008, 11:04:20 AM »

Paul A.P.J. van der Sloot, born in the Netherlands (1952), graduated from the University of Tilburg, the Netherlands (LL.M., 1979). Before going into private practice Mr. van der Sloot worked ten years in social legal aid in the Netherlands, four years in the Aruban Government, eight years in the public prosecution and three years as a judge. He was admitted to the bar in 2006. His practice focuses mainly on administrative law and mediation.

Languages: Dutch, English, German, French and Papiamento.

http://www.carlolawoffice.com/attorneys/index.html


I wonder if there is something fraudulant in the original 1979 degree?  It looks like this is the only degree that he has earned.  I guess you don't need a law degree to be a lawyer or judge in Aruba.  It's no wonder that the legal system is so screwed up?    Before someone can take the BAR exam in the US, they usually have to be checked out.  This includes checking academic degrees and arrest records. I wonder if they found something wrong with the 1979 degree and then didn't make him a judge. 
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« Reply #382 on: April 20, 2008, 11:05:29 AM »

I've always believed Paulus was the fifth suspect. Not because Colombo says so, because that is my own belief and has been for almost three years. This whole case is about Paulus.

I also believe Grande is 100% correct and Clyde Burke is Simian. He got pinged by Grande and he had to know at some point his identity would be discovered. I also believe this one area was a mistake by Simian. After-all, Shango said he was an Australopithecus (IIRC) meaning he was a lower form of primate and one not as evolved as Shango.

I believe Simain was mistaken, and got it wrong. I also find the motivation to insulate Paulus motivates Simian. There was no need to have a Simian until Paulus got placed on the radar. No Simian for Joran on 6-9-2005, no Simian for the Kalpoes on 6-10-2005...

When Paulus gets hauled in - magic, supernatural powers and illusions.

Simian may not have had it wrong after-all (now thinking about it) but simply shaped shifted Paulus' true identity to insulate him further.

all just my opinion.
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« Reply #383 on: April 20, 2008, 11:08:13 AM »

This is interesting...of course it is Julia...being quote by Harry...so....

Julia informed Greta that Paulus van der Sloot was sworn in as a lawyer today. He will work for the law firm of Antonio Carlo, Joran's attorney. Julia explained that Paulus was studying for his Aruban law exam as well as a judgeship. While in Aruba, Paulus taught law at the university. He actually has never practiced law in Aruba. He practiced law in the Kingdom of the Netherlands.

http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2006/01/harrytho_117_na_1.php


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« Reply #384 on: April 20, 2008, 11:08:52 AM »

I keep posting in the wrong thread.

I've always believed Paulus was the fifth suspect. Not because Colombo says so, because that is my own belief and has been for almost three years. This whole case is about Paulus.

I also believe Grande is 100% correct and Clyde Burke is Simian. He got pinged by Grande and he had to know at some point his identity would be discovered. I also believe this one area was a mistake by Simian. After-all, Shango said he was an Australopithecus (IIRC) meaning he was a lower form of primate and one not as evolved as Shango.

I believe Simain was mistaken, and got it wrong. I also find the motivation to insulate Paulus motivates Simian. There was no need to have a Simian until Paulus got placed on the radar. No Simian for Joran on 6-9-2005, no Simian for the Kalpoes on 6-10-2005...

When Paulus gets hauled in - magic, supernatural powers and illusions.

Simian may not have had it wrong after-all (now thinking about it) but simply shaped shifted Paulus' true identity to insulate him further.

all just my opinion.
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« Reply #385 on: April 20, 2008, 11:15:26 AM »

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I'm not sure of the actual requirements to be a judge.  I thought I read that you do not need a law degree. The requirement might just be a recommendation and fulfilling an "apprenticeship".  He did have a reputation in Boxell so I think he was a lawyer and I would think he would need a legit degree to teach.  For all I know, you could be anything and become a judge...he certainly played one long enough.  I never heard Anita add "in training" to any of her statements. 

I can see no way to become a judge without a law degree, advanced classes, and a passed test. We all know Rudy is the head of the Justice Dept and no a lawyer...so that would be different... that seems to be an administration job, but sitting in judgment of someone certainly would require all the I's dotted and T's crossed. The Dutch somehow consider themselves the world authority on all matters legal. I see this area probably has very very few loop holes and something they take very seriously.

There's something funny (NOT) about Paulus and when that certain "something" is revealed, it will all make sense.
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« Reply #386 on: April 20, 2008, 11:17:32 AM »

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There are several flaws in Caps theory that I am trying to get him to work out...as I have said before..don't just take everything as fact.  Simian says that the 5th was at a party at HIS house and it was a a SIMPLE party.  What you just said does not fit that story...that is not a simple party to me.  Lights! Cameras! Action!  Nothing simple about that...that is not a few friends at a home having a drink.

Now, going back to the Matty Apts....this place was the first place rumored to have been the location for a video/rave/sex party.  Dave even suspected it as did others that were investigating.  The evidence that Julia Renfro was ever involved in that particular party does not exist at this time...I would really like to see this since she was given an "all clear" letter on her behalf by none other than Hans Mos.  If that didn't raise any eyebrows it should have...red flags would be an understatement!

Caps has often been all over the place with his theories and they have changed from some of his earlier thoughts, but that does not discount them.  Problem with a theory is that it remains that until proof is shown to support it.  I know, probably better than most here, what Caps thinks about where her body is and how it got there and who put it there.  I also know what Caps thinks about those involved and one thing to realize is that he is working on the Shango verses and trying to tie them into what he can piece  together that appears to fit the verses.  REMEMBER THIS....Shango does not claim that Joran is in any way responsible for the death of Natalee Holloway.  He and the Kalpoes are the method of acquisition only.  They left or were excluded in some way as to distance them from the actual crime...this could be true..which would make the Kalpoes  guilty of just being stupid, but not rape or drugging Natalee.  This doesn't fit what I think at this time. If Joran, as Caps indicated in one of his earliest posts about what he thinks happened, just delivered Natalee and then left (Shango says this too) to wait until they tossed her back to him that does indeed relieve him of the actual rape and subsequent death or at the least just drugging her and she died accidentally.

Don't get me wrong, when and if Caps and all of us can prove his theories I am on board...he has worked very hard on this stuff.  At least he has had the courage to stick his neck out and say some things that we didn't know and make connections for us to so many things we have all wondered about.  Just because we can make it fit into the Shango and Simian verses does mean it will fit the known facts that we have at this time. 

Now, before anyone gets angry at me and thinks I am trying to discredit Caps and his work...think again...I am on his side much to the chagrin of many monkeys.  Someone has to play devil's advocate here in order to obtain some type of perspective.  If we can't answer all the questions and make all the pieces fit what good is all this work that everyone has been doing?  Just thoughts...sorry it is so long. MOO
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« Reply #387 on: April 20, 2008, 11:21:17 AM »

I've always believed Paulus was the fifth suspect. Not because Colombo says so, because that is my own belief and has been for almost three years. This whole case is about Paulus.

I also believe Grande is 100% correct and Clyde Burke is Simian. He got pinged by Grande and he had to know at some point his identity would be discovered. I also believe this one area was a mistake by Simian. After-all, Shango said he was an Australopithecus (IIRC) meaning he was a lower form of primate and one not as evolved as Shango.

I believe Simain was mistaken, and got it wrong. I also find the motivation to insulate Paulus motivates Simian. There was no need to have a Simian until Paulus got placed on the radar. No Simian for Joran on 6-9-2005, no Simian for the Kalpoes on 6-10-2005...

When Paulus gets hauled in - magic, supernatural powers and illusions.

Simian may not have had it wrong after-all (now thinking about it) but simply shaped shifted Paulus' true identity to insulate him further.

all just my opinion.

You do know that Finbar will disagree with you?

BTW, please answer me this..what happened to all that other stuff that proved who Simian and Shango really were?  I am not trying to incite a riot, just asking what changed your mind?  Do you still think Gabe is Shango?  Hey, did you know that Caps knows Mr. Burke very well?   
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« Reply #388 on: April 20, 2008, 11:29:07 AM »

I've always believed Paulus was the fifth suspect. Not because Colombo says so, because that is my own belief and has been for almost three years. This whole case is about Paulus.

I also believe Grande is 100% correct and Clyde Burke is Simian. He got pinged by Grande and he had to know at some point his identity would be discovered. I also believe this one area was a mistake by Simian. After-all, Shango said he was an Australopithecus (IIRC) meaning he was a lower form of primate and one not as evolved as Shango.

I believe Simain was mistaken, and got it wrong. I also find the motivation to insulate Paulus motivates Simian. There was no need to have a Simian until Paulus got placed on the radar. No Simian for Joran on 6-9-2005, no Simian for the Kalpoes on 6-10-2005...

When Paulus gets hauled in - magic, supernatural powers and illusions.

Simian may not have had it wrong after-all (now thinking about it) but simply shaped shifted Paulus' true identity to insulate him further.

all just my opinion.

You do know that Finbar will disagree with you?

BTW, please answer me this..what happened to all that other stuff that proved who Simian and Shango really were?  I am not trying to incite a riot, just asking what changed your mind?  Do you still think Gabe is Shango?  Hey, did you know that Caps knows Mr. Burke very well?   
ahhh... no, because I have not seen it posted here... first time I've heard that. 
Anida has all the Shango and Simian stuff, ... when she logs on next time ask her for it. I don't keep stuff like that.

I believe Gabe is some how involved with the use of the internet to dissuade us.  How did Gabe get a 235K dollar house for 1 dollar in Florida? I'd like that deal too.

I have never changed my mind about Gabe... he knows or worked with Shango and probably posted the riddles that were written on Aruba from Florida.

Gabe is some how connected. And it's no wonder he is always trying to get people to look somewhere else.

again, all just my opinion.

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« Reply #389 on: April 20, 2008, 11:35:15 AM »

I've always believed Paulus was the fifth suspect. Not because Colombo says so, because that is my own belief and has been for almost three years. This whole case is about Paulus.

I also believe Grande is 100% correct and Clyde Burke is Simian. He got pinged by Grande and he had to know at some point his identity would be discovered. I also believe this one area was a mistake by Simian. After-all, Shango said he was an Australopithecus (IIRC) meaning he was a lower form of primate and one not as evolved as Shango.

I believe Simain was mistaken, and got it wrong. I also find the motivation to insulate Paulus motivates Simian. There was no need to have a Simian until Paulus got placed on the radar. No Simian for Joran on 6-9-2005, no Simian for the Kalpoes on 6-10-2005...

When Paulus gets hauled in - magic, supernatural powers and illusions.

Simian may not have had it wrong after-all (now thinking about it) but simply shaped shifted Paulus' true identity to insulate him further.

all just my opinion.

interesting observation.....to that point-who's he talking to?  :

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 3:05 pm
If you were asleep who answered your phone?

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 3:09 pm
You can’t remember answering a phone call at 2:00 in the morning? When the next day your son was picked up?


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« Reply #390 on: April 20, 2008, 11:44:31 AM »

I've always believed Paulus was the fifth suspect. Not because Colombo says so, because that is my own belief and has been for almost three years. This whole case is about Paulus.

I also believe Grande is 100% correct and Clyde Burke is Simian. He got pinged by Grande and he had to know at some point his identity would be discovered. I also believe this one area was a mistake by Simian. After-all, Shango said he was an Australopithecus (IIRC) meaning he was a lower form of primate and one not as evolved as Shango.

I believe Simain was mistaken, and got it wrong. I also find the motivation to insulate Paulus motivates Simian. There was no need to have a Simian until Paulus got placed on the radar. No Simian for Joran on 6-9-2005, no Simian for the Kalpoes on 6-10-2005...

When Paulus gets hauled in - magic, supernatural powers and illusions.

Simian may not have had it wrong after-all (now thinking about it) but simply shaped shifted Paulus' true identity to insulate him further.

all just my opinion.

interesting observation.....to that point-who's he talking to?  :

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 3:05 pm
If you were asleep who answered your phone?

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 3:09 pm
You can’t remember answering a phone call at 2:00 in the morning? When the next day your son was picked up?

Valentijn??? and that was why Paulus had to begin a new line of alibi. He could have had to bring the kids in because he was on the record stating he slept through the nite. He had to say someone answered the phone. Could this be what is on the missing pages from his PV?
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« Reply #391 on: April 20, 2008, 11:47:08 AM »

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the simple party was the alibi story......"sometimes friends will cover for each other"

if there really was a simple party, why would anybody have to "cover" for anybody?

"the alibi needs to be broken"......how could it be broken if there was really a simple party that included "the important others?"


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« Reply #392 on: April 20, 2008, 12:00:09 PM »

I've always believed Paulus was the fifth suspect. Not because Colombo says so, because that is my own belief and has been for almost three years. This whole case is about Paulus.

I also believe Grande is 100% correct and Clyde Burke is Simian. He got pinged by Grande and he had to know at some point his identity would be discovered. I also believe this one area was a mistake by Simian. After-all, Shango said he was an Australopithecus (IIRC) meaning he was a lower form of primate and one not as evolved as Shango.

I believe Simain was mistaken, and got it wrong. I also find the motivation to insulate Paulus motivates Simian. There was no need to have a Simian until Paulus got placed on the radar. No Simian for Joran on 6-9-2005, no Simian for the Kalpoes on 6-10-2005...

When Paulus gets hauled in - magic, supernatural powers and illusions.

Simian may not have had it wrong after-all (now thinking about it) but simply shaped shifted Paulus' true identity to insulate him further.

all just my opinion.

interesting observation.....to that point-who's he talking to?  :

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 3:05 pm
If you were asleep who answered your phone?

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 3:09 pm
You can’t remember answering a phone call at 2:00 in the morning? When the next day your son was picked up?

Valentijn??? and that was why Paulus had to begin a new line of alibi. He could have had to bring the kids in because he was on the record stating he slept through the nite. He had to say someone answered the phone. Could this be what is on the missing pages from his PV?

"the next day your son was picked up"

does this refer to the day after the disappearance?
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« Reply #393 on: April 20, 2008, 12:05:07 PM »

if so:

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 10:36 am
The boy was picked up at 23:00 on Sunday at Mickey D’s. Sneaked out later. Was on time for school. Don’t mix things up.
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« Reply #394 on: April 20, 2008, 01:12:58 PM »

if so:

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 10:36 am
The boy was picked up at 23:00 on Sunday at Mickey D’s. Sneaked out later. Was on time for school. Don’t mix things up.



Wasn't there also a riddle in there saying that he wasn'ton time for school - probably meaning that Paulus was late to his class at the University?
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« Reply #395 on: April 20, 2008, 01:20:36 PM »

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Quote from: Buckeye on March 31, 2008, 09:12:40 PM
Quote from: Rob on March 31, 2008, 09:09:55 PM
In my humble opinion, there is something to the Chemalys. NO ONE WOULD CONTINUE TO EMPLOY JULIA RENFRO IF WHAT SHE WAS DOING WAS NOT AN ORDER. No one does what she has done and keeps their job unless someone has demanded you act accordingly.

The motive is right there.


I'm thinking there's something, too.  And there has to be some "order" for her to have gotten a published letter, by Mos himself, that she is not a suspect.


right, why would a non-suspect need released from non-formal status?

wonder if that has to do with the missing hard drives and the screen shots and "hidey hole"?

she is involved to the theeth. she Was there at the tables that night.
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« Reply #396 on: April 20, 2008, 01:27:59 PM »

if so:

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 10:36 am
The boy was picked up at 23:00 on Sunday at Mickey D’s. Sneaked out later. Was on time for school. Don’t mix things up.



Wasn't there also a riddle in there saying that he wasn'ton time for school - probably meaning that Paulus was late to his class at the University?

What time would that class have been?  Wasn't he working that morning and had to leave to make his trips to the bank or the area near there.
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« Reply #397 on: April 20, 2008, 01:38:08 PM »

I wonder if the Lions Den could have been where Natalee was taken.  There were many 'trolls' that wanted to keep that place away from the public speculation.  Also the Indo restaurant.  IIRC, was the whole place redone?  I always found that odd.

Yes, this is a long held theory by many here...it's just that recently we learned how many of these hidden places exist on Aruba...so it could be this particular one..the same one Dave visited and was in the Claussen photos...or...it could be elsewhere.


There is only 2 that operate in thaat fashon. The Whitehouse and the Matty Apartment.
The whitehouse has not change his operational hours

the one that change his operational hours is Matty due to the scandal the owner had with the case of Natalee.

so it is Matty place.

Other places that are used is the caller or requester place. This can be either a Hotel or an Apartment. Matty Charges $25 for 1 hours. while the Whitehouse charges 50.00 Florins for 2 hours

Matty anything goes before incident. Whitehouse policiy has stayed the same. Couples only

the white house has 2 section:

section one where you parked your car infront of the apartment.
Section two where you drive in with the card in the apartments garage. more private. no one will see you.


Matty no one get in without passing trough the VIP club for the keys.

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Shango said something about having to go through the small house to get into the bigger house or something.  I remember reading it.    jackb
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« Reply #398 on: April 20, 2008, 01:40:52 PM »

I wonder if the Lions Den could have been where Natalee was taken.  There were many 'trolls' that wanted to keep that place away from the public speculation.  Also the Indo restaurant.  IIRC, was the whole place redone?  I always found that odd.

Yes, this is a long held theory by many here...it's just that recently we learned how many of these hidden places exist on Aruba...so it could be this particular one..the same one Dave visited and was in the Claussen photos...or...it could be elsewhere.


There is only 2 that operate in thaat fashon. The Whitehouse and the Matty Apartment.
The whitehouse has not change his operational hours

the one that change his operational hours is Matty due to the scandal the owner had with the case of Natalee.

so it is Matty place.

Other places that are used is the caller or requester place. This can be either a Hotel or an Apartment. Matty Charges $25 for 1 hours. while the Whitehouse charges 50.00 Florins for 2 hours

Matty anything goes before incident. Whitehouse policiy has stayed the same. Couples only

the white house has 2 section:

section one where you parked your car infront of the apartment.
Section two where you drive in with the card in the apartments garage. more private. no one will see you.


Matty no one get in without passing trough the VIP club for the keys.

CAPS


A long time ago I googled great house in aruba and it means whitehouse.  I just thought they were mixing something up at the time and never paid much attention to it.   jackb
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« Reply #399 on: April 20, 2008, 01:44:12 PM »

Quote from: Lala'sMom on April 19, 2008, 01:50:08 PM
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I think we know by now that you think the 5th suspect is Paulus.  I am still waiting for the connection to a "cool and crazy" guy that Natalee would be the least interested in being Paulus...he's a dirty old man and I think even Natalee would think that too.  I have tried...but my mind just can't fathom her being interested in him at all...ever.






Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:49 pm
The maze offers many hidden desires
deflowerings of forbidden fruits
DirtyHand knows.
So does the elder.
The lamb is a scapegoat.

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 11:43 pm
Mary rolled into the maze
to play with lions
but it was not a game
the lamb ran bleating



I never  believed Mary was Natalee, because  I do not believe in a million years that  she went willingly with Joran to use drugs, gamble, have sex or whatever.    If Mary in this riddle  is Natalee, then  rolling into the maze just means she went to  party  at C&C's (which is  the maze,  or just "nightlife") and the  lions (predators)    were  there  looking for more than just partying.  I  don't think Joran is the  "lamb"  either.   He didn't  run bleating, and he could never be described as a lamb in any way.  I wonder if this is Guido, or someone  else  that went there that  night and  couldn't bring themselves to participate.  Joran WAS  involved, no way was he  the scapegoat.  MHO




"but it WAS NOT a game"
pg 4, "the game"
http://www.ca11.uscourts.gov/opinions/ops/200214306.pdf
Both pimps and prostitutes generally referred to their activities as “the game.”

lamb ran bleating afraid to walk through the maze
the maze is difficult for the supposed guilty, even if innocent

fires are lit ("light the fires"=turn up the heat as in LE)
but now the lamb is a goat

The fallen judge and the singing card are of the same hand, but it is dangerous for the Arawaks to play it, because everyone would hear, including the cowboys

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 2:50 pm
This is bad. Really bad…He has a history of making himself be something he is not.

complicity to kidnapping(?)


  I hate to say this, but they may have tried to involve VAL in their games and he ran away.  He would be younger and not probably aware of what really goes on.    jackb
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